Chiefs Have No Answer for WR Miles Austin in OT Loss to Cowboys
by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 3:37 PM CDT
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Chiefs lose, 26 to 20 in overtime to the Dallas Cowboys.
This isn't meant to be an all-inclusive post game post. Just a few thoughts I had. We'll have much, much more to come. Joel is in the locker room as we speak.
Here's the stat you need to know: Cowboys WR Miles Austin had 250 yards receiving and two TDs, including the 60-yard game winner in overtime.
I am crushed. Speechless. Heart broken.
The Good
- Dwayne Bowe's TD catch to put the game into overtime.
The Bad
- Larry Johnson looks slow relative to the rest of the players on the field.
- Cassel's downfield accuracy has yet to impress me.
- Poor tackling allowed the Cowboys to set up scores and to even score, as we saw with the Miles Austin TD in the fourth quarter.
- Give up the big play much?
The Ugly
- The offensive line. Matt Cassel will not last an entire season getting hit nearly 20 times per game.
- The running game. Back to the offensive line, there was rarely a hole to run through for the Chiefs running backs.
- Third downs. We're terrible at them. More on this later.
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Austin with 250 yards receiving and 2 TD
nuff said…..so much for our secondary being our strength. that is fucking horrible
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be great if our secondary could tackle...
Leggett not making that tackle, and more importantly all the missed tackles that should have been made by our Defense on Choice(granted this wasn’t all the secondary’s fault) is what lost the game.
by ravenhawk on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that sucks
We never get the break in the end. Christ.
If you watch Rambo backwards, it's Sylvester Stallone healing people with his magic bullet vacuum.
by ratherfantastic on Oct 11, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
Another playoff team…and we took them to OT…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cowboys are not a playoff team.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until they don't make it this year, they are...
Second place in the toughest division in football…id say they are ok…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well eff me then...
Still…everyone knows they are a good team…Picked by many for the Super Bowl…
I am not worried about it…
Thanks for that, though…Where are you from?
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im actually from dallas
but currently living in CoMo, attending Mizzou
by TigerPride on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh
I just saw your Screen-Name and a blue shirt and thought maybe my hometown…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah the blue shirt is a texas rangers shirt
haha
by TigerPride on Oct 11, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
third, in the toughest division in football.
and also im starting to think if slow ass roy williams started, we might’ve won the game!
by LJ27FoMVP on Oct 11, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
In a division with a winless team…they can not be in last place…Thank you.
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMN
Predictions for 2009:
LJ runs for 1800 yards
Bowe in the pro bowl
Chiefs D finishes in the top 10 in points allowed
Chiefs 10-6
by bonesjackson on Oct 11, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That
just broke those poor boys’ hearts. Wow.
by KCMizzou on Oct 11, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah they really did
but i’m about sick of moral victories
by E.C. on Oct 11, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this team gives up the big play
like a virgin on prom night
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You need to add Leggetts swiss cheese shitty difense to the Ugly...
Cut that mother fucker now, worhless piece of shit. Too many receivers have burned that guy this year
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Stephan Hawkings?
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a gut punch!!!..i have a cold! and the chiefs lay this shit on me!!!
by kcchiefsfan56 on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This one hurt
because Dallas was TRYING to give us the game, like we did Oakland. And we wouldn’t or couldn’t do the little bit needed to take it from them. I suspect there will be some serious line up changes after this.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This one was served up with a cherry on top
and leave it to poor tackling.
No surprise.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well game plan is thow it to anyone Leggett is covering
Seemed to work again
by Ren on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Pendergast needs to make the adjustment
They’ve thrown to Austin on every down and he’s killing us. Better not shadow him with either of my top two corners.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well. This sucks again...
Bowe and Wade FTW.
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
best receiving day in the nfl
since november 2006…..way to keep us in the recordbooks KC
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haley this is one is dedicated to you after that shitty play call to LJ
by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 11, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+10000
How can one coach make so many terrible play calls?!? It’s almost astounding, as I’m sitting there watching the game to see him continue to call run plays. WE NEEDED 15 YARDS TO GET INTO FIELD GOAL RANGE, AND KC HASN’T RUN IT CONSISTENTLY ALL GAME. STOP TRYING IT.
by T-Rich on Oct 11, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This week's focus on the blog...
The Secondary!
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no just leggett
He’s by far the worst
by Ren on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
he wasn't pretty
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never should have come down to that anyway
Lead going into 4th
Got the ball to start overtime
Hold them and get the ball back in overtime
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at the 50 yd line
when we needed 20 yards for a legitimate fg attempt…pathetc
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Matt Cassel.
Dude took a beating like a red-headed step child today and never ever had any quit in him.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
He had a better game than Romo in my opinion.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys single day record for receiving
.
by Major Tom on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could have handled the Cowboys tearing up our defense to kick a field goal
But I can’t handle this shit where we give up a 60 yard pass on what should have been stopped for less than 10 yards… no less to the guy you should have been covering the most.
by Vince D on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cut his punk ass!
he missed every single tackle on austin. leggett’s got to go!
by reedeasy on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
lol
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He went for the strip expecting safety to clean it up...
…Brown failed…twice
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heartbreaking loss....
And to boot it’s a friggin’ blizzard here in WY
by Sparbs on Oct 11, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ouch
The game wasn’t televised here in San Diego, judging by the comments made and the final outcome, I am glad. 250 yards receiving for a no name like Austin? Unbelievable. Two games lost at home that we should have won, this one and against Oakland. It is going to be a long painful season.
by 5280ChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that LJ is looking slow
I wonder if we wouldn’t do better with Charles and Savage. We have to be able to get a running game going or we’ll need to go back to the Arrowspread just to keep Cassel healthy.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Having no holes is one thing.
But LJ just looks like he’s in slow motion out there.
Charles looked pretty quick, and was running like he meant it, on the few carries he had.
Give Jamaal a shot.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree about charles
I think Charles looks just as slow in his acceleration plus he can’t ever seem to keep his balance. Put Savage in!
by jonnyu on Oct 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know what to say to that
I thought Charles and Savage’s speed was why LJ looked so slow. I can’t even imagine what you’ve seen that would make you say that.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game is on Pendergast
Why in the hell was Leggett covering Austin after the dude has been burning us the entire game?!?!?!
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Because...
Legget covering Austin is why he was burning us. The catch 22. Legget gets burned by everyone cause he sucks in coverage. Anyone he covers burns us and it just so happens that Legget covered Austin on at least 2 of his big plays. Hes gotta do something while hes in there I guess. I hope he doesn’t play for the rest of the season.
by Lucasjr5 on Oct 12, 2009 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looks like our D has ruined us again
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The heading for this topic is pure bullshit.
Theres an easy answer for Austin and its called tackling, something Leggett and Brown both clearly suck at.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
That’s why I put it up there.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
250 yards receiving for 1 fuckingn guy
is unacceptable…oh and thanks to thr refs for taking at least 3 points from us early
by KCCheeze on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Other than that one call
I can’t really say the refs were against that game. JoncGraw should have had a roughing the passer penalty called on him 3rd and goal.
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by Scaryclouds on Oct 11, 2009 5:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
We will have no answer to the running game until the O line plays better
by sandpro on Oct 11, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't care how bad the line is
you can game plan a running game just like a passing game unless your RBs are too slow. And I think LJ is too slow.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Debbie Downers activate!
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Those uniforms are legend
Lenny’s talked about those socks for years. They have always been considered an eyesore.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPECIALLY ON THAT PERFECTLY THROWN TD PASS TO TIE THE GAME ON 4TH DOWN LATE IN THE 4TH QUARTER
HE’S A BUM TRADE HIM OR CUT HIM
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has some time
but he is scared shitless to throw the ball my god he just stands there looking around just get it out of your damn hand! If you make some quick throws short 3-5 yard throws they will back up and not blitz you because you will break it, if you keep in in your hand they will destroy you.
by AirForceChief on Oct 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m not ready to write him off behind that line, but it’s not completely their fault either. He needs to take off the dress. I’m sick of seeing 3rd down passes thrown five yards BEHIND the first down marker. It’s just stupid.
by jbj8609 on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
But is that his decision making or bad play calling?
I don’t honestly know.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel only took 22 hits today and had practically no time to set and throw.
He’s in a constant state of running for his life. I gained tremendous success for him today.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Oct 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kc Wolf Sucks
he looks like a racoon
by tomahawk44 on Oct 11, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's hilarious
Take it out on the mascot
by route 66 on Oct 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's gonna take a long time for them to remember.
especially with leggett
by reedeasy on Oct 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Support your statement
Cassel was 23 of 41 with 2 TDs and no turnovers. And he had several big runs today. And all this despite getting hit most of the game. What exactly do you need to see him do??? Please, for the love of God, explain it or shut up!
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I banned him
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First good news I've seen today
I guess it can get better.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Oct 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I'm sure there will be more bans today :)
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown blew it on both Austin TDs...
The Strong Safety and he didnt didnt even touch him either time….out of position…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a combination of fail to set those up.
It really takes a coordinated effort between the safety and the CB to get blown up that bad, that often.
Here’s to you, KC Secondary! (cue “Real American Heroes” bud light music)
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by TRSChief on Oct 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’ve seen nothing from Brown that impresses
by juvatbull on Oct 11, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He gets tackles...
I don’t see him miss much and he hits the ball carrier often. He gets involved in the play. I can’t speak about position because I’m not really schooled on all the defensive packages but he has some pluses.
by Lucasjr5 on Oct 12, 2009 4:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we had this game
were it not for maurice leggett
by reedeasy on Oct 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cassel does not suck.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
horrible
i’m sick as well. matt cassel has not impressed me at all. yeah he got 2 td passes. but 23-41 is just over 50% not good at all. we need to get some other O linemen cuz this aint cuttin it.
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by nfamous209 on Oct 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok we get it
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Banned him
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you....
Is that permanent or for a cooling off period? lol
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Permanent
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh snap...
Shows why you oughtta have post game composure…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the insults
Warned.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure how everyone is saying the defense lost the game.
The defense was the only reason there was a game in the first place. The offense sucked all game and it wouldnt have even come to that Austin TD if the offense couldve moved it all of 15 yards to FG range in OT.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1-0000000000000
i BLAME HALEY…Quit giving it to Larry..I’m ready to bench Larry..
I always liked Larry..But he’s done
by CALIFAN1986 on Oct 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Haleys fault either.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blame it on haley?
y bench johnson? its not like n e other rb is doing better? our O line isnt creating anything. no running back in the league can do n e thing with this O-line. if the line was half way decent, LJ would be shredding defenses.
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by nfamous209 on Oct 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the defense didn't give up two big plays at the end?
I had no idea
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by sm7600 on Oct 11, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depress the caps lock key...
its 1/8 of an inch to the left of the “A” key
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No open receivers
And no blocking to create passing lanes!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a number?
I don’t, but I doubt he holds it longer than 2 or 3 seconds. Or perhaps you are banned now.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pffttt
I`m getting used this!!! We are like high school amatuers out there and I can`t wait for the season to finish because we are an embarrasment each and every gameday Sunday….whether its crappy play calling….inability to run…to many blown coverages on defense…missed tackles….watching the Chiefs is like watching paint dry – its boring as hell!! For the first time I can ever remember the home support was out shouted by the away fans….its hardly a suprise….we SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by CHIEFS_FAN_ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball playoffs have started
and NBA will soon start!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Legget and larry Johnson suck!!!
This one hurts guys!!!!
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Oct 11, 2009 3:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Leggett isn't alone
How is that worthless Mike brown isn’t getting the lions share of blame. Dude is supposed to make those tackles
by BucktheFroncos on Oct 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
He does not suck.
Yet another dropped game by the D.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WHATEVER MATT CASSEL SUCKS!
Cassel brought it when it mattered the most w’ a banged up O line. He made plays hands down
by reedeasy on Oct 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely!
You would have thought that people would have realized that!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is beyond ridiculous. KC fans pay good money for the Chiefs to field a good team and we get this crap!!!! Someone HAS to lose their job after this. When do we draw the line and say enough is enough?
Joe
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahahahaha!
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of fans
I saw way too much silver and blue in the stands.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Big Problem
Someone is going to have to explain why this team gives up so many big plays after the 1st guy misses a tackle. It is a freakishly frequent occurence. Players will miss tackles time to time- you have to plan for that. But for this defense to constantly give up TDs when only 1 guy misses a tackle is unbelievable, and that would seem to point directly at the coaching staff.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
^this
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Oct 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahahahahaha!
you guys are hilarious!
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding...
Post game threads are quite amusing…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Losing his job is a bit much but back to some basic tackling drills would be nice.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha! If there was a cliff some of these guys would jump off.
I think this was a huge positive in their overall play today.
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad that
someone else noticed that & the world is still spinning around!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave Buck'o
The Cowboys suck. Only NFC East team that had problems with us.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redskins next week...
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to like
our chances with what we saw today!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say it's KC's first win!
We look like we’re finally due for a win. :)
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive been saying this since the preseason
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish that we could win once. Is that too much to ask?
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we can beat the Bills, Browns, Raiders guys!!
Bowe and Wade FTW.
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Redskins too
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can beat the Bills, Browns, Raiders guys!!
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Leggett was NOT the biggest problem...
Brown should have been there to help him as he went to knock the ball out…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everything on offense boils down to this line again
and nothing is going to change until the talent gets better. Playing and practicing together is not going to make a difference.
We saw what Cassel could do with time to throw and we saw our RBs getting killed in the backfield again.
We can talk about Leggett and all the big plays we want, but the same thing every week is going to be OLine
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Decimated by injuries today
and Cassel still found a way for the tying drive!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas started dropping back and quit blitzing most of that drive, thus giving Cassell time
This group has no clue when the other team brings blitz. It didn’t look a whole lot better before Albert got hurt. I will say that when Allemen came in for Goff, we could actually run the ball some.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
and when Goff came back in We couldn’t run anymore
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Oct 11, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon albert
Olshanksky took Albert out on purpose it was a cheep shot to his ankle!!!man I hat the cowgirls!
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
+1
He sure did. He didnt fall into him. He was on the ground got up and took a run at his leg.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i saw that too, it didn't look like he was even going towards Cassel
just looked like he plowed straight into the back of Albert’s leg. i hope somebody takes a closer look at that.
by thehulk on Oct 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I wonder if in the off season the front office will spend some money on QUALITY players instead of kids and has beens??? I`m gussing NO because they havn`t done the past 10 years and now look at us….We are CLUELESS!!
by CHIEFS_FAN_ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It rolls down hill. Start firing at the top and Leggett and Brown will work themselves out (pun intended)
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can beat the Bills, Browns, Raiders, Redskins guys!!
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't see this team winning more than 2 games
We basically have toss ups with Cleveland, Buffalo, and the Raiders.
Sickening. The defense is on the field for(what seems like) 80% of the game. It’s their fault for having inexperienced secondary players that are not yet at the stage where they can jump routes and follow the QB’s eyes. The run defense is nothing special.
The offense…is there anyone out there besides Bowe? Wade is at best a 3rd receiver. Cassel is too inconsistent and doesn’t show up before the 4th quarter. The line is constantly in the backfield. LJ is done. We need him to get off the field. He’s too slow to be anything more than a 2nd and short/goal line back.
As for Cassel sucking…I don’t have enough data to speculate. With the Pats he was 11-5. The line is where games are won, and he doesn’t have an offensive line.
Special teams is non-existant. We don’t have a kick/punt returner and haven’t since Hall was an all-star. Succop seems decent and I don’t think he’s going to be a liability, since it will be a while before this team is competitive with the top teams.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm used to it
I am a fan of 2 of the worst football teams over the last few years…Syracuse and Kansas City…
Some call me emo since I hurt myself…
by actioncuse on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The no huddle
seems to help Cassel. I’d like to see us run it earlier!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel you with the disappointment / masochistic team choices.
Chiefs
With Titans a distant 2nd because I live in Nashville.
MLB → Mets. (No one writes a better book on disappointment except the Cubs)
NHL → NY Rangers. Yeah. Perennial tease.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least your not a Royals fan
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but
The Royals are generally expected to be less than stellar.
The Mets love to start off with a ton of talent, begin the season in 1st place and look like they’re going to steamroll to the playoffs.
Then mid-season comes, everyone and their housekeepers get injured, and they finish 203948230948 games out by the end of the season. At least they’re consistent at it, so I can expect the disappointment.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar Minaya is the worst GM in baseball...
and it isn’t even close. that guy should have been fired 2 years ago.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't disagree.
Chiefs - back in the playoffs in 2011.
by TRSChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still laugh a little anytime I think about how much he gave to K-Rod.
what a complete dolt.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he didn't trade for
Yu-Bet.
by NotAHippie on Oct 11, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even after the season is over...
and on a football blog, that asshole plagues me.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't worry
he’ll be back next year
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Oct 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAY!
Maybe Aviles comes back with a fucking PURPOSE!
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like he's going to see the field
unless he plays 2nd….Ryan says Yu-Bet makes all the plays
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Oct 11, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
there is an outside shot Aviles knocks him out of the job, if S-Key keeps hitting 220 he may force himself to the bench.
And if Aviles goes to 2nd where does Callaspo go? I just think there aren’t many spots available.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Callaspo to 3rd, Mr. Bad Attitude to 1st
It's the only sensible move.
by NotAHippie on Oct 11, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Callaspo can play RF
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't be worse
than JoGui
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but thats the very same logic
that got us Betancourt… Better doesn’t make him good.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least this time we're not going
outside the organization for help. And Callaspo can hit.
by NotAHippie on Oct 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 2010 Royals are going to look very similar...
to the 2009 Royals
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the 2009 Royals
started 18-11! Take your naysaying elsewhere.
LOLIVO
by NotAHippie on Oct 11, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right...
Im sorry for doubting the process
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his arm is strong enough
I say go for it because of what this guy said VVVVVVV
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those arrows are supposed to point to RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand
arrow fail.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aviles gets MVP votes next year
I’m calling it right now.
by NotAHippie on Oct 11, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it weird that I take
a strange sort of pride in rooting for a team with both one of the best players, and the absolute worst?
by NotAHippie on Oct 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honest to god the only reason I haven't jumped ship
is to be able to rub it in my face to all my asshole friends who give me shit about being a Royals fan.
The sweet aint as sweet without the sour my friend.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our time will come
And then the world will end. But we’ll be happy.
by NotAHippie on Oct 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2013!!!
One year after the world ends in 2012!
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make it any easier to take as a Royals fan.
At least the Mets go to the playoffs sometimes.
by NotAHippie on Oct 11, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is still the toughest stretch of the season. It will be over soon.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
heard that cheapshot
that was bullshit!!!!
by reedeasy on Oct 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its not as bad as it seems....
Ok maybe it is.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we cant win games at home when we are ahead by 10 points we will never even beat the crappy teams
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And the only way you do that is by running the ball
which we will never be able to do until the line gets better. That’s not going to happen this year.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVP for Dallas is...
Maurice Legget. Once again Capt. Failure (AKA: Maurice Legget ) falls off coverage for 6 to the other team. Maybe Stephan Hawking’s wouldn’t be such a bad replacement. As far as offense goes I believe we are now 14 of 108 on third down conversions, what a sick joke this team has become/remains.
by matriculatin' on Oct 11, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
its because...
we run it on 2 and long and only gain half a yard at most but normally less.
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we arent as bad as the Raiders
We aint lose in a very disturbing fashion like they did
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, we are worse
The record proves it!
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's offensive
But I laughed.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing to them was the only problem
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People who freak out and do stupid things post-game...
Like constantly post obnoxious things like “MATT CASSEL SUCKS!!!!” will get banned permanently as Trolls
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should...
We should just trade and release everyone especially our young developing talent
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bad
* Larry Johnson looks slow relative to the rest of the players on the field.
How many times did LJ have a defender in his face as soon as he received the hand off, especially on these lame @ss draw plays that continue to fool no one! The offensive line is a complete waste of skin and are going to get people hurt. The play calling in OT was utter BS and did not give us a chance to do a damn thing except fail which we did. The other thing I am getting fed up with is the officiating. The “play was ruled dead” in the 1st quarter was BS, no whistle ever blew! Also, for what bloody reason was there a need to review either reception on the drive that tied the game at 20? Both were clear catches!!! Oh, the the blocked field goal, on the replay the defender climbed over 2 chiefs backs to block it.
by Tooner on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on LJ
They kept trying to run up the middle. There was nothing there. If I’m not mistaken, they did not attempt an outside run until late in the 4th quarter. It’s like a pitcher constantly throwing 85mph fastballs down the middle (and his name isn’t Mariano Rivera).
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can only get away with LJ if you have an awesome O-Line
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
Not saying do it all the time. But you have to mix it up. I know nothing was there, but you can’t just keep trying to ram it up the middle. You need to give a different look every so often.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What can LJ do that Charles and Savage Can NOT?
I used to say break takles but I don’t think that is true any longer.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
niner fan
i think i’m gonna be a niner fan. lol
Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.
by nfamous209 on Oct 11, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Mike Singletary is awesome
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah he is.
Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.
by nfamous209 on Oct 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Any head coach off the street could win ZERO games”
\\Joe
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ooo...
How original
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were on THEIR 49 yard line on 1st and 10 and we couldn't even move the chains 20 yards to kick ONE stupid FG...
by jbj8609 on Oct 11, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
12-15 yards
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were on OUR 49 actually...
But still…I see your point…
As soon as they threw the flag for holding I threw my phone down, new it was over…
And then Tashard Choice runs around the edge after Vrabel is held…Troy says “His job there is to get up field and contain but he wasn’t there” NO, cuz he was being freaking held…just like Mays was on the same play…
Refs again
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea that hurt
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not all bad
A few key things clicked this week. You can see they figured out how to move the ball. Haley needs to just build on it and do away with some of the experimenting. It’s time to focus on what works but we found a groove.
I think Pioli’s in for a busy week on O-line.
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was exciting for a change and thats great.
This is what I expect out of the Chiefs. Play their asses off and have a chance to win and thrill me with a last 2 minute drive to tie the game. Wins are great but its an evaluating and progression year.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Albert did better against Ware
than I thought he would.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty damn good. we need him out there bigtime
Anyone know his status?
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure but I hope theres at least a fine on Olshansky.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least it was an amusing game to watch
Looked alot better than vs the eagles
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No Legget is gonna be released.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it...
Washington looked worse early on…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leggett stays
He had good coverage, and he had good coverage on the other missed tackle too. That’s hard to teach. He just tackled poorly. But he wasn’t the only one.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much you wanna bet
Bowe and Wade FTW.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
by NJChieffan16 on Oct 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll go in on that one
I would be very surprised to see that.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually was very nervous on that last drive before OT
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a nice feeling for once...
still blew the game though. They seem to find a way every week to throw it all away.
by stram#1 on Oct 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haley
needs to start yelling into a mirror.
by KCMizzou on Oct 11, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Post it on Youtube
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on. Everyone was on Haley's Jock going into overtime
Then the Line falls apart like always and a terrible defensive play and it’s his fault again.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Def not...
You don’t go for 2 in that situation, if he did and missed his head would be on a pole right now. He did the right thing at home, won the toss, and the offense didn’t produce.
by Lucasjr5 on Oct 12, 2009 5:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the first game where I'm ready to agree with that
Dallas was the 26th ranked defense coming in to this game (we were ranked 28th). I’ve been willing to give this O a pass for the past few games, but we should have been able to establish something this game and we didn’t. I’m starting to question whether Haley needs to figure out how to build a running game. He was never able to do it at Arizona, even though they had the players. I’m starting to get concerned. I’m not calling for his head, but I hope he takes a serious look at how he fixes this over the next couple of weeks.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the talent is just that bad. On a scale of 31 our O-line is a 50 (worst)
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were playing a top defense I'd agree
but these are still pro athletes and therefore capable of playing, even if they are the worst line in the league. Dallas’ D was ranked almost as low as ours. Haley should have been able to make a game plan to work against them. Their passing D was actually ranked lower than us. I would expect a good OC to be able to game plan to take advantage of that.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He took a team that we had no purpose of beating into OT with a chance to win
If that isn’t good coaching, I don’t know what is. If you thought coming into this game that we should have matched up with Dallas, I think you are wrong.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas isn't good.
they haven’t beat a team that has a win.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are way better then US.
A seven point spread during a home game by Vegas, I think is a pretty clear indicator of that. I think you are wrong about how close these teams are in talent.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You base Dallas being better than us because of a Vegas spread?
There is more to building a football team than talent. Dallas is a very poorly coached team and they are only going to get worse as this season goes on. Dallas will not make the playoffs this year.
The Ravens, Giants and Eagles are way better than us, the Cowboys are not. I think if we played the Cowboys 5 more times we beat them 2 or 3 times, I dont get that feeling with the Giants Eagles or Ravens.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just put the spread out there as one indicator
I think from what I saw on the field; If we played them 5 more times. Today would be as close as we get. You want to compair our team to others, you need to start naming teams like Clev, Oak, Tampa Bay…NOT the Dallas Cowboys.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First - don't misquote me
I didn’t say we should have “matched Dallas” (whatever that means). I said we should have been able to establish something on offense. That was all I was really looking for. Dallas is not a highly ranked defense and has shown itself quite vulnerable. The fact that we still couldn’t establish an offense against them is the what has given me a real concern about Haley.
t We had a chance of beating them because Dallas is a poor team (though talented) who did almost everything they could to give us that game. Two turnovers and 13 penalties are why we were in that game.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll make myself clear as well
I don’t care what ranking Dallas D is. 26 or 31. Our offense / more importantly our O-line against their D-line is not even close. I don’t see how after watching that game and previous Chiefs games, that our offensive line would be able to do anything to control the D-line. You tell me what great game plan any coach could come up with to compensate for an O-line that cant block long enough to throw the ball or well enough to run the ball.
I think Haley did all he could as a coach against this team given the situation.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that 2min drill at the end of the fourth to send it into OT...
was indicative to Cassell’s potential. The guy has the guts and the endurance to stand behind our O-Line which was letting him get manhandled back there all day long. But when push came to shove and the Chiefs needed him to step up he did.
Regardless of the fact that we got a couple of breaks on that drive (any good team does get them) it was a tremendous positive to see Cassell take control their at the end.
Now our offensive line just needs about 5-7 new body’s (starters and depth included)…
Defensively…
We need work…nuff’ said
by butchcassidy on Oct 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
by Vince D on Oct 11, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dorsey and Hali looked pretty good today
Maybe that will quiet some of the people asking for us to trade them. Though they will probably just say that we should trade them now while their value is high!
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked them too today
Corey Mays was crazy
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we trade Dorsey and keep Hali
Only for a 1st for Dorsey and I would entertain a 1st for Hali. I dont think we are there yet…but if they keep this good play up for a few games. Maybe.
I like Hali as a rushing OLB. I dont know how…but he is working. Those are tough to find. If we find a natural “good” rushing OLB moving him to the weak side might also be a smart move.
We could get a more natural DE if we could get a high to mid first for Dorsey. I think it is a crime to keep him from his Sapp esque potential. Im thinking Buccaneers.
by MasterBlaster7 on Oct 11, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not totally wrong
Chiefs let a lot of missed opportunities go by. Missed tackles in backfield. Missed sacks on Romo. Tackling really hasn’t improved much at all.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tackling is pretty much a fail across the board in the NFL...
its just that the Chiefs seem to be the worst at it in the NFL
by butchcassidy on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldnt be a stretch to blame the special teams coach.
The way they blocked the FG was because of an issue they had last week and I guarantee Ratliff saw it because he tried it on the first FG and got his timing right on the second. No way the other team should be picking up on a clear error and we dont
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoulda gone for 2 and the win at the end,maybe the outcome would have been better.
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Da, score wise yes
We would have won by a point or lost by a point.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 11, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that MUST be changed
Is Haley’s tendency to give the ball to LJ on draw plays. HES A BIG MAN!!! Let him gain momentum with the dive and pick up 2-3 yards at least
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I know how you feel...
It infuriated me…Can we just learn…the draw does not work with him…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well all i gotta say is
that it was was a good game that didn’t fall our way…. oh well, there’s always next week to watch the team i love n root for… for all the haters………. be ur self u have no affect on me.. all ur negative talk is simply piss poor… gooo Chiefs!
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by rdubz on Oct 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I maintain that we should have gone for 2 in regulation.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
OK herm
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the opposite of what Herm would do
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yea?
Did you miss the Charger game last year?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a good idea then, too
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the difference between the chargers game and this game was
where they played. As much as I didn’t like the decision last year with Herm, there were still reasons to go for 2 in the Chargers game…
by worc on Oct 11, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging by the way the Chiefs had played...
especially since Hailey knows how much he runs the ball… Assuming we would get back into the Red Zone is kinda ridiculous.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will never fault a team for being aggressive.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I somewhat expected a Cassel sneak at that time
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by Bad Medicine on Oct 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure Hailey would have just run another draw
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I question the ST coaching...
IF you look at the replay on the blocked FG why is the front 4 from Center out left and right in a bear crawl stance on all fours? They’re basically acting like human hurtles which is what happened when the guy blocked it
by butchcassidy on Oct 11, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They did the same thing last week
Cowboys picked up on it and we didnt. The Fox team last week even pointed it out during the game and this week it cost us 3 points.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted D
when you have that many opportunities to close out a gam and you don’t it’s almost as bad as trailing the whole game and losing
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
What is up with the Broncos jerseys? Looks like piss on shit.
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent!
hahaha
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we almost won a game that everyone had us losing big.
i am sad we lost but happy we played hard. coaching lost this one, again, imo.
by fa_jian on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shotgun Draws...
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Had nothing to do with O-Line getting blown up all game?
And Leggett/Washingtion getting toasted? I guess the coaches are suppose to turn poor talent into great talent.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really think the coaching was good?
by fa_jian on Oct 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying that the coaching did not lose the game.
It was a matter of our line getting killed all game. If you can’t judge Cassell because the line sucks so bad, then you cant blame Haley for the same reason. His hands are tied with the plays he can call due to the talent on this team. And how many of the plays he calls get killed before they develope due to missed O-line blocks
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Denver really used to wear that shit?
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to make a case to blame Mike Goff for this one...
Though there is question as to whether the kick would have been good anyway, Mike Goff didnt even stand up to block Ratliff…He was jumped over and the kick was blocked…with that kick, the game is completely different…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Goff was probably coached to do that
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
....
I would say not…lol
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he have been coached to not even stand up to block...
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe to get the snap out correctly, IDK.
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was next to the snapper...there is no problem with that...
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See above
When the Fox crew last week noticed that same issue I dont know how our coaching staff doesnt.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the series Allemen came in for, some of the biggest runs of the game
came from right behind him.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope that
was noticed by more than just us. There seemed to be more fire from everywhere once that happened!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say that when Allemen came in for Goff, I thought we looked a little better
Actually some holes opening on that side of the line.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean specifically on the FG attempt...
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was fresh though
No fatigue, and that is a pretty big difference
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may be the case. But, Goff has been getting beat all year even at the beginning of games
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goff useless now
He was supposed to be a decent stopgap. He’s obviously not our future, and he’s not one of our best 5 linemen. There really is no reason he should be on this team anymore.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Herb Taylor?
Did we cut him? If so we look like idiots right now..
With Albert or Taylor in at LT that OT drive from the 50 ends with a 50 yard Succop field goal.. But what’s over is over I suppose
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes he was cut
which is stupid. He was a very good backup LT
by TigerPride on Oct 11, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He barely played
I didn’t see much evidence of him being good or bad.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching didn't lose us this game...
Our virtual one dimensional offense lost this game…if we even qualify in that dimension at all…
Chiefs can’t run the ball worth…poo
by butchcassidy on Oct 11, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soooo whos responsible for the play calling of the offense then?
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you call a play and 90% of them don't do jack...
then whose fault is that?
by butchcassidy on Oct 11, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right
He can only call them & the players have to learn to execute them. He is trying to run plays around a poor O-line!
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No shit they can't run the ball
but they did figure out how to get production out of their RB’s today. Toss it out to them in the backfield and play a short yardage game. If we focus on that as our gameplan, we’ll get production out of it all day long.
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monday To-Do List
1. Solve Larry Johnson mystery. Scan today’s injury list to see who might need a running back. See if they have a back-up DB who can tackle. See if you can make a trade. No? Then see if you can get a draft pick, any pick. No? Cut him. Kolby Smith, Battle, Charles and Savage can get us 50 yards a game. LJ adds nothing to this team.
2. Cut all defensive backs who cannot tackle. If you can’t tackle, you can’t play in the NFL. Not looking good for you, Maurice. Austin “one of the biggest days in Dallas Cowboys history”. Thanks for making it possible.
3. Identify offensive coordinator candidates for next year. If you get the ball on the 50 in OT, and can’t make a first down, something is wrong.
4. Eliminate offensive pass interference penalties. Do we have more of these than anybody?
by HowSweetItIs on Oct 11, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you should do a post of this
Dig the name
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by Buck'O on Oct 11, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Sanders would have had a bad day today
There were absolutely no running lanes today. There was nothing for LJ to find. I might have put Charles in more often just for the sake of calling more screen plays, but today was not LJ’s fault.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowe dropped a first down catch on that last drive.
Today no one at all can blame Haley or his playcalling.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can
The players and coaches both need work. I think both groups will get better as the season progresses.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can...
Shotgun draws throughout the game ended drives…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he didn't drop it though...
defender got his hand in there.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look that way but not really.
Different replay had it hitting him right in the hands and thats a drop. The defender got part of him but that ball needs to be caught.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I coulda swore defender got his hand on it...
even when the ball is in the hands its awfully difficult to keep a defender from punching it out.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my impression too
I thought defender got to the ball at the same time as Bowe. I couldn’t blame Bowe for missing that.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't check the DVR either, Ive already changed channels.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote from CBS: The loss dropped the Chiefs (0-5) to 2-28 in their last 30 games, tying the expansion Tampa Bay of the 1970s for one of the worst 30-game droughts in NFL history.
Quote from me: We are a f*cking joke!!! When its the off season front office try bringing in QUALITY players instead of kids and has beens….i.e SPEND SOME CAP MONEY!!
by CHIEFS_FAN_ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who would you have signed?
I can’t really think of any particular player who would’ve made any big difference this year.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we would still be an 0-5 team, no matter what free agents we would have brought in
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. I think we could have definitely beat the raiders with some personnel changes.
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What FA signing would have made a differnce?
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well for one Miles Austin was a free agent this year
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would KC fans have stood up and cheered?
He would’ve been another under-the-radar signing. The Chiefs did enough of those.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were also about 60 DB’s that were better free agent pickups than Leggett.
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin hasn't done crap until he played Chiefs Defense.
He’s no different then any of these other guys we have brought in.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just messin with ya. I was simply saying that if we signed Austin, he wouldnt have been there to do that to us.
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically....
I believe he was a restricted free agent. The receiver—starved Jets worked him out in the off season and didn’t want to sign him. He was expected to be a starter this year, but hasn’t cut it until today. Thank you Roy Williams for being hurt. ugh.
Take a deep breath, People.
by Chiefs_Cat on Oct 11, 2009 8:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
When there are people they feel it is worth spending it on, I guess.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately since I am in pessimist mode, hindsight is truly 20/20. I for one, would have never let go of TG. I also would have shored up the O-line, long before defense. These I am sure of, everything else is just guess work.
by pokerjoe on Oct 11, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need an offensive coordinator
Play calling killed us, 1st and 20 we call a run, seriously we have averaged about -1 on running plays today and we are going to run it? How about a quick slant to the TE our leading receiver again. I understand trying to run the ball, but our line can’t handle running the ball, get the D to move back with the passing game then you can run the ball, my god these people should maybe try playing some Madden it will give them some tips!
by AirForceChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love for it to be like Madden
Then we could throw a screen pass to Charles for a TD on every play!
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playaction?
Were there any playactions called today? I know play fakes don’t work great when you can’t run the ball, but at least it might have given Cassel a split second extra on some of those plays.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a couple, but they were kind of half-assed
I don’t think anyone bit on them, really. I think we need to work with Cassel on improving his play fake technique and run 8-10 playaction passes per game. That would keep the defense guessing.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to move the ball and the pocket around
out offense if very stiff, you know what going to happen before the snap, after the snap Cassel just stands there not moving that how he gets sacked constantly.
by AirForceChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's a fairly agile QB
Why not use it? Get him out there on some bootlegs. He’s probably going to scramble out of the pocket anyway, might as well design a play around it.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said,
I nominate you to make calls next week, can’t be any worse than what we have had.
by AirForceChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here is something i do not understand.
lots of cap room left and we trade tony g, our best receiver. then call enough pass plays to our tight end to make him our leading receiver. sometimes it looks like we are throwing games.
by fa_jian on Oct 11, 2009 4:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Freek'in Dissappointing!!
I agree LJ hurts us! Better with Charles & Savage. Cassel kept us in the game despite tons of hits, hurries & sacks. Horrible execition on both sides of the ball . The delayed handoffs with LJ runs killed me, hits the hole like a 15 yr old girl.
by casselreadychiefs on Oct 11, 2009 4:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Anyone feel the hit the injured Albert kind of dirty?
I probably missed someone mentioning it, but it didn’t help to have Albert sidelined…
The Cowboy guy who did it, did a Pollard lunge after going down…
by worc on Oct 11, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I hope theres a fine because there should be.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Igor Olshanksy
It certainly looked like a dirty hit to me at first, but when they showed the replay I thought he could make a case for going for Cassel’s legs… which is actually still illegal because of the Tom Brady rule.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he the guy that blew up Palmers knee?
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimo Von Oelhoffen
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOOOOOooooohhhh Yeah...
the other DT in San Diego with a stupid name
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing is for sure
That trade we worked to get Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel is paying off big time
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 11, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
It was great to see them hooking up for a TD, too!
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Right o Nanz.
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by Chris Thorman on Oct 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see...
offensive line stinks, WRs stink, LJ is done, and the D gets no pressure.
Sounds like the same problems since the start of the 2008 season
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL? The Defense today got a TON of pressure compared to last year
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, this defense was 2-3 players making mistakes, now its one, and there is much more pressure
by SDChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again we went from worse to bad
Twice we had a hand on his jersey and couldn’t bring him down… close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when you stink, its about getting better slowly...because you cant make shit smell good
by SDChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going from worse to bad doesn't impress me
If this pass rush was mediocre at best then that’s improvement
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so they need to go from worst to best? this is a long process, it takes 2 years to get a new defense to gel/work-thats from lovie smith
by SDChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nooo I never said worst to best...
I said worst to mediocre and we’re not even close to that.
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A big subproblem
is that they don’t finish the job when they get pressure. I thought with Haley, this team would be much better at finishing plays on both sides of the ball. They still miss too many tackles and don’t finish enough blocks. though.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they dont have the players yet, but our tackling OVERALL is better, two plays doesnt dictate our tackling throughout 80 plays
by SDChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They missed more than 2 tackles
They missed a few sacks, and they missed some tackles in the backfield on Barber and Choice. Tackling is still poor. It might be a bit better than last year, but not by much.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ...far better tackling
by SDChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't see how you can say it's far better
I think the d-line’s tackling is better. The linebackers’ tackling is erratic- sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s terrible. The secondary’s tackling has regressed enormously, and that’s what brings the defense down.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think our secondary tackled like this last year (Pollard alone missed a ton). I agree it’s better, but that’s only relative to the incredibly bad job we did last year.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in total disagreement
I don’t necessarily disagree that the tackling’s a bit better. But like you said, it’s relative- I think it’s still terrible. I think Page has regressed, and I think Leggett has regressed tackling-wise a lot.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theres a funny thing about that white speck on the top of bird shit...
its still bird shit
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew we had a chance as soon as I saw Winters out there.
This ref crew calls so many penalties but really +2 in turnovers needs to be a win and we;ve done it twice this year and lost both games. A win here wouldve gone a long way with a beatable redskins team next week and an anything can happen divisional game the week after.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
roddy white is making me cry for not being here to sub him for sims walker
by SDChief on Oct 11, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats scary I had the exact same problem.
And he was my only other WR on the bench so wouldve been forced to use him.
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by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple things i noticed during the game.
1. The Offensive line is HORRIBLE. Not one good thing to say about them. Cassel getting hit 20+ times during a game is unacceptable. Albert is regressing and the rest of our line is crumbling.
2. Our Defense. The front 3-4 were getting smashed all day by the run game. They had a couple good stops but other than that we were getting ran over.
3. Our Safeties couldn’t cover, and when they were there they couldnt wrap up and tackle. I guess Pendergasts words of “always wrap up” went in 1 ear and out the other.
4. Washington is awful, a couple of big plays would have gone through if only the WR had caught the ball because Washington was 5-6 yards back.
5. Corners weren’t covering that well…they had a took a step back in this game, IMO.
6. Matt Cassel needs to get more accurate. When he decided to actually play it was in the last minute of the game.
7. Our play calling…wasn’t too bad this game but still had some pretty bad calls.
I have never wanted to hurt a man so bad until today. Cowboy fans are obnoxious and very, very, very lucky there were people there or else i would have slammed his head through the bar.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree for the most part
I do think that if we could ever get pressure constantly on the QB…our DB play would be very improved.
Also, I don’t know how Cassell can become more accurate when getting smashed all game. I’m impressed that guy isn’t putting up INTs with the pressure he always gets.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about the pressure on the QB...
and when we do put pressure and have a chance to sack the QB…WE NEVER DO IT!
When Cassel had time he was making bad throws…he is lucky that Wade didn’t catch the ball at the end over the middle because if he did then Wade would be done for the season after the hit that the S would have left him.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can LJ do anything that our other RBs cant do?
Yes our LIne sucks. I’m on board with that. But, strickly on a talent issue…I used to say break takles, but I don’t think that is even true any longer.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He can carry the load.
If our line could block it would be a better situation. But with no line, everybody looks bad. Including Cassel.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can carry a load of crap these days
No line means lj has no chance of doing anything. With a poor line you need a RB that can make defenders miss.. Pioli – trade him if you can
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no market
I’d be surprised if anyone would even give up a 7th rounder for him. Too expensive, too old, and every team has been building depth with their RBs.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody goes after aging RB's...
Shaun Alexander was damn near black listed
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No line means nobody has a chacne
Tell me one team who has a good RB that has no line.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also to the reverse
name one good o line that doesn’t have a rockstar RB or RB’s
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Oct 11, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NE doesn't have a great O-Line
they are mediocre at best. They are helped out by Brady getting the ball out so fast. Cassell was the most sacked QB last year.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes me wonder
We’ve seen Cassell slow to release the ball this year. I heard some Pats fans complain that Cassell’s weakness was his quickness in releasing the ball. So it may not be the Pats’ oline’s fault.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere...
that the O-line is to blame for a bad run game, and the QB’s are the fault of sacks. Brady and Manning get the ball out fast, which is why they never get sacked.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you are going to go that route
your receivers need to get seperation. Which isn’t happening either.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about that...
Brady and Manning are more comfortable with their ability. And know their receivers much better. When Bowe and Cassell are as thick as thieves and know each what each other will do every time you will get more of that.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowes was getting yelled at today for not getting seperation
on several routes. And when see a wide shot of the field, our WR never have any space. That’s all
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that seems goofy to me
Bowe’s never going to get great separation. That’s just not his game. He’s the kind of player who makes the tough catches over the middle, not a guy who will blaze past a DB on a go route.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Seperation is nice...
but Ive seen Manning make completions to Marvin Harrison when he had no business throwing him the ball.
QB’s and receivers get a feel for throwing to back shoulder and other things of that nature.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm not going to argue that Cassell is not as good
as 2 of the Best QBs in the NFL. I was not trying to make that point. I didn’t think anyone expected Cassell to be Manning or Brady. Sorry for the confusion.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't my initial point...
Im just saying that the when the QB and WR have a better feel, separation isn’t as important.
And that when that working relationship is better the pass protection will look better because the ball is coming out faster.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
instincts
It’s not only that, but Manning can sniff a blitz or sack before the defense even does, and Brady can sense exactly when he has to get rid of the ball.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really ever know where a sack is going to come from
with our Line?
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you sense it
I know it’s hard, but that’s all the more reason to get rid of the ball quicker.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, its an all out Jail Break most of the time with this
line. It is not the same as feeling pressure from the right or picking up a blitz. This is not even close to the situations you are talking about. If you put Brady or Manning behind this same line, you would see much of the same you see from Cassell at this point. Even with receivers in place that they have worked with.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, my point is
Cassell needs to realize that pressure is coming fast, no matter from where, so he needs to get rid of the ball faster. I do think Manning or Brady would take their lumps, sure, but I think they’d also know they need to get rid of the ball faster.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nobody to get rid of the ball to!
Most of the time it’s the RB out of the Backfield and you saw that never worked when going that route. CB and LBs are sitting on short quick routes against the Chiefs, because they know we will have no time to do any other passes.
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not just about completing passes
I think Cassell’s very fortunate to slip out of many sacks. The only time I’ve ever seen him throw the ball away is when he’s running to the sidelines anyway.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Green Bay and Grant Hill?
Not exactly rock star but not exactly Chum either.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
My point is that if we fix the o-line we fix the RB problem.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, lest say we had a great O-Line
Are you saying LJ would do better then Charles or Savage or Battle in that situation? Why?
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Because LJ can carry the load and break tackles. On top of that LJ doesnt fumble nearly as bad as Charles or Savage. Battle still doesnt have the skillset to be a starter in this league.
LJ is a downhill runner and when hes hit he can get 2-3 yards after the hit where as savage or charles just stop right there.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Savage as never had a career fumble.
I think Charles and Savage splitting carries can average everybit of what LJ could
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely we could split carries between Savage and Charles to reduce the workload strain
I just think LJ is done. His attitude is right again, but his body has betrayed him.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's kind of where I'm going. And at least with Savage and Charles as
every down backs, you have the pass threat out of the back field. Plus with crappy line, you might make some people miss and you wouldn’t require line to keep holes open as long
by vincent2668 on Oct 11, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to judge if body is betraying him
But LJ has never been a RB who can run with a bad o-line. He makes good o-lines look great, but he doesn’t make bad o-lines look good. He’ll tear through a hole and break tackles when he’s up to full speed, but he doesn’t create running lanes on his own. That’s just not his style. So I don’t think we can say he’s finished, but at the same time, he’s a terrible fit for this team right now.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the reaction of someone who is a cowboys fan
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everyone can eat bag shit a big bag of shit lol yes im so happy i cant feel my arms i told u what was going to happen and look whos crying know haha how about them cowboys!!!!!!!!!!
My response
LOL? The chiefs are a terrible team, and you’re celebrating that they had to go to overtime to beat us? Only cowboys wins are against 0-5 teams.
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like how "LOL?" is shorthand for
Are you freaking joking?
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im convinced that "lol"
will be the ultimate demise to our civilization… Which is why I refuse to use it.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have never once used that
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Oct 11, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only time I use it...
is inside " " usually to make fun of the person using it.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You both make me lmao
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand by my argument.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What it your argument is outside and it's raining
would you still stand by it?
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
“lol” is the fundamental problem with America.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda was thinking that there were bigger problems...but "lol" works too...
lol
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see why
when you compare it to trivial matters like loss of freedom, war, national debt, and over taxation. Yes, lol should be high on all of our radar screens.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly feel that its the core of a bigger problem.
Because the use of “lol” contributes to poorer communication.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So texting must make you physically ill
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I text full words
with correct punctuation. Most of my friends do to. I am a firm believer that if its worth doing, its worth doing right.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But yes it can...
I can’t hardly understand anything my brother says, which is why I dont bother responding.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More power to you
we each have to pick our own battles.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a lot of friends that became teachers...
and most of them complain about how “OMG” and “lol” and any other form of shorthand has found its way into formal papers. It blows my mind. Especially when I was writing papers I was breaking up contractions just to make the paper a little bit longer.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want a medal or a monument
Pretty impressed that Jerry jones paid a billion dollars for a stadium with a team that’s worth a nickel.
Cowboys are mediocre at best.
Congrats for surviving a potential humiliating loss and winning nothing.
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When has the front office ever spent any money in free agency? If they brought in quality players over the years then we wouldn`t be in this mess now!!! We now have so many holes to fill!! They could have used their draft picks wisely if they had filed holes in free agency.
Lets face it how many years have we known the OL was getting old and needed to be upgraded? We all knew we needed another WR to take the pressure off Bowe and it took the front office how long to realize this? This organisation is a shambles…its going to take years to rebuild….we have to many average players…other teams below average cast offs because we are desperate …I just wish this season was over..we are a joke!!
by CHIEFS_FAN_ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your comparing to regimes...
so the argument doesn’t hold.
But i can think of a couple years ago when we paid a lot of money for shitty FA’s. Ty Law, Sammy Knight, among others.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the love of God don't forget Kendrell Bell
surely the WORST FA pickup ever! Carl’s plan seemed to show that he could one up Snyder by getting second tier FAs, pay them way too much, though not as much as guys like Snyder and Jones, and not bothering to pay attention to the draft. At least that seemed to be his MO from the late 90s until he was fired. I think most FAs are a waste. You’re much better off keeping your own guys. You pick them for spots. You don’t build your team around them.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT WAS THE ONE!!!
The name was slipping me, but I knew there was a shitty LBer in there too
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could forget him
but I’m afraid that nightmarish FA pickup has been burned into my brain forever… ah!! my hot steaming brain!!!
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the Raiders and see how spending all your cap every offseason works out
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jets too and while they're competitive in the regular season
they’ve never won a SB
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every one of the top teams
Was built mostly through the draft. Yes they dabble in free agency a little but its mostly home grown – Giants, Pats, Eagles, Ravens, Steelers, Colts
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Patriots do not miss on their FA's either.
Except maybe Roosevelt Colvin
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the sack of shit on this site that was defending Mike Brown last week!
As I said then, he got run over by Brandon Jacobs.
This time they didn’t bother running into him, just through and around him.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 11, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, chill out...
No need to call out someone in that way
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did look bad...
But there is noone better on our roster…
And yes, chill out….we are civil here, win or lose…
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck off
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, okay, you're right. My comment was uncalled for.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Oct 11, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you tho...
Brown blew it on those TDs just as much or more than Leggett…he was completely out of place…on both
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True…I like Hayley…at least he tries to get better!!!!! I just hope he doesnt have the front office saying he cant spend money in the off season….It wouldn`t suprise me tho
Ok FORGET free agency then….because obviously our plan of has beens…and kids has worked great for us again…no play off win in how many years now???
Sorry but I`d at least try to get better…Atlanta were awful…then they got Turner and Gonzalez via a trade and look good…..You might call the Jets but now they have traded for Edwards because they WANT to get better…I`m kinda guessing he will do better than the Toomers…CJ Jones that we go after thats for sure….its about TRYING to get better
by CHIEFS_FAN_ENGLAND on Oct 11, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
big difference
Those teams are filling one or two missing pieces with their big free agent acquisitions. The Chiefs have too many holes to invest big bucks on a player who may help out for only a year or two.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would having Pollard instead of Brown today have made a difference?
I don’t think so. Pollard would have gone for big hits on Austin and whiffed just as badly. What do you guys think?
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Both safetys (Pollard and Brown) are just bad, period
Right now i actually would love either Taylor Mays or Eric Berry for our first round choice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnti9QNwVFs Watch this to the end for a pretty good laugh
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Page and Brown*
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Page isnt too bad
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pollard is no longer here...
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know i was responding to the OP's question
Of if Pollard was here would we be better
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by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
Well then Conversation Following FAIL…sorry
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah its cool
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!
by SuperTurtle on Oct 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Page seems too slow for a safety.
And Brown is just old old old.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard on for that Suh guy out of Nebraska...
but I wouldn’t be too shook up if we could land a game breaking safety. They have done wonders in Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cough cough MAYS or BERRY cough cough
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I think I am on the Taylor Mays bandwagon, but thats only because I haven’t seen Berry play yet. I still think Suh in Nebraska is the best college player right now.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard of him...
What position does he play for?
And LSU and the Florida game showed alot of talent on the D. Flordia has a good #1 corner too.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
read about him
He is also number 3 on Kipers board (not that that is the be all end all).
and this
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted "F"
Losing 28 out of 30 games is an unbelievable achievment.
I don’t think this is all on the O-Line, its playcalling and Cassel holding on the ball too long. We know the Chiefs can’t hold blocks very long, how come Haley doesn’t? Where are the quick slants/screens needed to mask a weak line? Also, Cassel played alright but I still think he has to make quicker decisions, some of those hits he took was on himself.
That being said, a resonating image I have in my head is Goff still in a 3 point position when that dude had jumped over his head to block that fieldgoal. Unbelieveable.
I’d blame LJ, but its not his fault he has nothing in the tank, I blame those who don’t realize it and continue to run him between the tackles.
I’m sick of moral victories, I’d rather lose 60-0, than losing in OT in a game we should have won.
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Oct 11, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't execute quick slants
when your receivers can’t catch and get no separation.
by golfbard on Oct 11, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the "experts" solutions on this site is "throw the slant"
Like this is Madden or something. You do enough of that and you’ll have DBs jumping routes and killing your WR or intercepting it and taking it to the house.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but did they call even one slant?
Engram’s not being there definitely hurt there. He’s their slant receiver.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
we should run that play from the end of the movie “little giants”. works every time. we could also sign some of their line maybe. it could be a huge upgrade!
by MountainManMike on Oct 12, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
scratch that!
after rethinking that, its really time for the Flying V!
by MountainManMike on Oct 12, 2009 3:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's time you find a new team.
Anyone who votes “F” when they just played their guts out and took a better team with better talent into overtime needs to find a new team or your expectations are way out of line.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you question my fandom because my expectaions are higher than yours?
What would you grade a team that has won 2 games in the past 30? My expectations are out of line? I expect them to win games, not friggin moral victories because “They played their guts out”
RIP Bodhi - Not tragic to die doing what you love. You want the ultimate thrill, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.
by craig in calgary on Oct 11, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're Out Of Line
It’s not the first time and you’ve been issued a warning for this. I don’t care what you think about craig’s or anyone else’s comments…if you don’t agree with him, dispute his points, but question another fan’s fanhood like this again and you can take it to another blog.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For conversation...
If we do lose every game this year or even win less than 2 do you think Haley would be out of here? Or at least the DC?
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No... Hailey is Pioli's guy
That would be admitting a mistake was made.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think they made a mistake with Haley?
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its too early to tell...
there was such a roster turnover that there is obviously going to be lumps.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but these lumps seem to happen every week
every hour, every day.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you haven't seen any improvement?
Aside from the one run by Choice the run D was very solid. And the offense had some rhythm when Haley was forced to stop running a little.
I dont get it, Haley had zero running game in Arizona and they threw all over the place. Im not saying we have the same personnel but I thought we would be doing more of it.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm ok with not passing all the time
With Arizona, they were trying to win right away. Here, they’re trying to build something. I just think they need to vary up the running game.
Run defense is hard to judge. It’s pretty clear Barber is not 100%. They had trouble with a fresher Choice a few times. I do think the d-line and linebackers played better though.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen improvement. Im not gonna lie.
But the choice of players we put out there (not DJ) and putting in Washington are mistakes that they take advantage of. We stepped up in big moments with some good stops…but tackling is killing us. Clancy shows some D mistakes but i just think its too much of a crucial time to make mistakes like that.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sold on DJ being good.
I think he is a sloppy player who makes up for it with his athleticism
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Mays isnt very Athletic...
He gets burned all the time and we were getting killed over the middle his game. Lets trade DJ but let him have playing time so teams know what they are getting…or else he will just become a FA
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a fear...
that DJ leaves… Goes to Baltimore, and Ray Lewis turns him into a beast.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think That'll Happen
And if it does, then it’s not something that would be made up for by keeping him here for a big contract if he’s never going to realize the potential that the last regime claimed he had. After this long, I think Derrick Johnson pretty much is exactly what his numbers say he is…a mediocre linebacker.
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Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West. Revision: We go 5-11 and finish behind Oakland.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
8. The Chiefs will have a bottom 10 defense this year.
9. RB will be a problem area this season on offense.
by UCrawford on Oct 11, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and cannot make a judgment until more of ‘their kind’ of players are added to the team…the roster/staff will likely be altered much more by next season and then we should begin to form a better view
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"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Oct 11, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Haley needs to be able to get this team to gel at some point
I’ve been saying it’s too early for the last few weeks, but we played one of the lowest ranked defenses in the league today. The offense needs to start showing itself capable of getting in rhythm and playing with some consistency at some point . I think I’m more disappointed about this game because of that than I’ve been all season.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think part of the ineptness is the play calling.
No amount of gelling is going to get you much success from Shotgun draws.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you have a weak line one way to deal with that is screens and draws
but I don’t really understand why you’d call draws with LJ because I think his presence in the backfield screams “run”. So while I understand the play call, I think the personnel choice makes it bad.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah have we ran a bubble screen this year?
I haven’t seen a single shovel pass either.
I do like the creative play calling early on, would just like to see a little more success from it.
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by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would like
to see the no huddle more also because the Chiefs seemed to catch a rhythm while they were running it & it keeps the defense more off-balance.
by ttownmikey on Oct 11, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see Clancy going
but not Haley.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure as hell hope Clancy is gone. I don't think he is a true DC..
I think since Haley knew him they brought him in.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clancy hasn't shown much
He was kind of riding on Arizona’s strong showing in the playoffs, which was mainly because Bertrand Berry got healthy and heated up.
by paChiefsFan on Oct 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
Clany needs to be gone.
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Pendergast fan either
but I think it’s too early to be calling for his head. He needs to prove himself, but he’ll get the season to do it. What does scare me a little is the he’s an AZ connection. I think how Haley deals with Pendergast at the end of the season will be an important measure of where Haley is in being a good HC.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree...
but i do think the moment crennel is recovered from his hip surgery, we bring him in as a consultant or assistant. if clancy proves himself by seasons end great, if not we have crennel there to take over at seasons end. it would also give him a jump on evaluating the players he will inherit.
by MountainManMike on Oct 12, 2009 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
unless the D shows progress and the O doesn’t. I think Haley needs to at least show that he can at least figure out a way to play the hand he’s dealt. Especially since you have very beatable teams on our schedule – Raiders again, Bills, Browns. No excuse for going 0-16.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think theres anyway that Haley doesnt get two years.
He’s a rookie HC working iwth very little talent in an evaluation year and the guy upstairs who decides the HC knows it too.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wont
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Oct 11, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idk
0-16 has only happened once…..
we already set a record last year with a couple sacks
by Wrestler189s on Oct 11, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
won't go winless
but even if we did Haley will remain
"There are few secrets in football. So execute." ~Coach Stram
"I think it's the fans. The place is crazy. It's a good crazy, if you're Kansas City." ~Coach Schottenheimer
by Bad Medicine on Oct 11, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the first part
I think this team will win some games. But if they don’t I think it will be difficult for Pioli to keep Haley.
by Big Chief on Oct 11, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way Haley wont be back...
is if Cowher is brought in.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Oct 11, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-15 could also change that…think cam cameron and miami. just like TH, a good if not great OC but cam couldnt cut it as a HC.
by MountainManMike on Oct 12, 2009 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summary
First of all… I haven’t been this angry and upset in a very long time. So with that, I need to do something to let it out:
LJ IS slow: O-line or not there are plenty of guys who, when the middle is jammed up, can jump out to the side and flash run it up the field for yardage. On that note, why not give Charles more carries? LJ…sigh…there’s no excitement in you anymore and I’m starting to feel like you are cancer to this team.
O-line: Holy geez, may I use the quote… “that’s my quarterback! – T.O.” … protect him like he’s your Daddy’s baby! …(or your brother in this case). When it’s overtime, you have one job to do, and your team..excuse me…“family” is 0-4 you HAVE GOT to ask yourself “How bad do WE want it?!?” Push like you’ve never pushed before guys…
Leggett: Pardon the interruption but lets not forget what great things have come out of Leggett in the past two years…I immediately jump to special teams and fumble recoveries (sorry I am not good enough to bring up the stats). On this note though I agree with most in that I am completely outraged with the tackling by Leggett but I kept asking myself ….WHY …WHY IN THE WORLD would Leggett repeatedly cover Austin when he was continually getting beat…and beat bad. Why is someone like Flowers who has proved himself time and time again NOT covering him?!
Haley and the team..“family”: Let’s face it there is not much more time to pick up some really quality proven people for the team and all this swapping out of people is really stressing me out. My point, allow some real time for this team to bond and feel some unity and get some chemistry goin’ and things WILL pick up for us… i believe this!
Sorry if this was too long of a comment with respect to the rules but thank you for letting me do this! I already feel better… Go Chiefs
by ahut86 on Oct 11, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not the Chiefs, it's Brandon Carr's tackling
let’s be real, carr’s tackling is the main reason of Austin’s huge plays.
Great offense by the chiefs, the secondary really needs some help and also it woldn’t hurt to start our best defensive player on our team, Derrick Johnson.
Grade B+
by LJ27FoMVP on Oct 11, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not Carr's fault, the big missed tackles were on Maurice Leggett and Mike Brown
Other than that though, I agree with you.
by Soria's Unibrow on Oct 11, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong player...
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by woodman212 on Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also the weak play on third down and Legget's tackling.
Unless the ball is going to Jamaal Charles, with our offensive line, you can not throw flats on 3rd down also only the running back should be running a route that does not end past the first down mark. All WR’s and TE’s should run routes past the first down line
by LJ27FoMVP on Oct 11, 2009 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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