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Getting to Know GMs with Mike Lombardi

Mike Lombardi is a former personnel executive with the Broncos and Raiders.  He's a writer for the National Football Post and, as his bio says, he's worked with some of the greatest minds in football like Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick in his 23 years in the NFL.  Mr. Lombardi was kind enough to give us a couple quick hits on some questions about GMs.

I asked him for a few names of front office guys around the league that aren't getting much publicity as potential GM candidates but should be.  Here are the four names he gave me.

Reggie McKenzie

We know about McKenzie as he was part of our Getting to Know a GM series.  He's worked in the Packers personnel department for the last 14 years until he was promoted to Director of Football Operations in May of 2008.

John Schneider

Schneider was in the queue for our Getting to Know a GM series until all this Pioli news hit.  He was given the same title as McKenzie in the Packers organization and previously served as a personnel analyst to GM Ted Thompson.

Bobby DePaul

DePaul is the Director of Pro Personnel for the Chicago Bears.  He previously worked as an NFL assistant coach and in the Pro Personnel department of the Eagles.  He's involved in free agency, waiver wires and advance scouting for the Bears opponents.

Rushton Webster

Webster is the VP of Player Personnel for the Seahawks.  I've seen his name pop up sporadically throughout our GM coverage.

Arrowhead Pride has covered the Browns' GM search as much as the Chiefs it seems.  Mostly because each team appeared to have similar candidates for the job.  But the Browns went ahead and hired head coach Eric Mangini before they hired their GM. 

There's been much criticism about this move because most folks would say the GM should be hiring his own coach because he's ultimately the top executive.  Lombardi pointed out that the relationship between the GM and Coach is crucial.

The more important factor is for them to have mutual trust and respect for each other and share the same philosophy.

If you look around at the GM candidates we've covered, some of AP's favorite candidates have scouting backgrounds.  While a few of them have Pro Personnel backgrounds, we've clearly favored the draft guys (In a nutshell, Scouting is draft related and Pro Personnel is free agency/waivers related).

Which background is more conducive to success as a GM?

I think knowing the Pro game is critical, but teams seem to favor the college guys.  I believe if you know the Pro game it will allow you to know what you need and makes the college process much easier.

We've focused on draft guys but Lombardi makes an excellent point here.  Ultimately, you can't be a successful GM without being able to competently manage both aspects.

Finally, I asked him about the Chiefs.  Can they be the next Miami Dolphins?

They have much work to do on both sides of the ball to be a playoff team.  Remember, Miami had a veteran QB, who did not turn the ball over. 

Competent QB and not turning the ball over.  Completely agreed but as Kansas City has shown time and time again, that's much easier said than done.

Big thanks to Mr. Lombardi for taking time out of his busy day at the National Football Post to answer a few questions for us.

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Bill Walsh? Dude PT how old is this guy? You sure he won't go senile on us?
he’s worked with some of the greatest minds in football like Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick in his 23 years in the NFL.

Forget about working with some of the greatest minds in pro football, how is the strength of his mind is what got me worried.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just poking fun, I'm sure he's a great guy.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Bill congratualted him

…like he congratulated Mike Singletary for the HC position in SF. See if here

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...video was removed

…here’s the story to refresh everyones memory


http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10828831

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a legit argument

Age is. Do we go with experience, someone whose been in the league for 20+ years. Or do we go with an up and comer that’s been in a front office for 10 years?

The game has changed a lot since Walsh.

by Joel Thorman on Jan 9, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Addressed in this weeks Jamboroo...

So why hasn’t [Eagle’s Defensive Coordinator Jim] Johnson ever gotten a head coaching gig? Why hasn’t he been mentioned for any of the recent openings around the league? Because he’s old. He’s 67. So he gets nary a mention while unproven coaching dreck like Brad Childress and others get top jobs. This is bullshit. If there’s gonna be a Rooney Rule, there should also be a Matlock Rule, wherein all teams must interview candidates who are over, I dunno, fifty or something.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I think the Rooney Rule is complete horseshit anyway because it at best has no positive effect on the hiring of minority candidates and at worst actually discourages their hiring.

The problem with minority coaches getting hired in the NFL isn’t racism so much as it’s cronyism. It’s a small, insular culture where people like to hire from individuals who they know or who are recommended by people they know…the “good old boy” network as it were. Hires are often made not on whether or not the coach is the very best possible candidate but on whether the hiree is familiar with the person doing the hiring. Often the interview itself is just a formality…all the Rooney rule does is obligate teams to make a token interview (or attempt at a token interview) of a “minority” candidate with no requirement that the person be seriously considered for hiring. It’s a sick joke. Worst of all, it probably limits the prospects of promising minority candidates who would make good coaches because someone who takes one of the token interviews is more likely to be perceived as someone who was just helping the team check off a box rather than as someone who was actually qualified for the job…once a guy gets passed over enough, other teams assume that he’s probably a bad candidate, even if he really was qualified and the only reason he got passed over was that team had no interest in hiring him in the first place because they already had their guy in mind (through no fault of the minority candidate’s).

If the NFL was really serious about minority hiring, they’d do away with the Rooney rule altogether and let the team owners take heat from their fans, press and players every time they passed over a qualified minority candidate for some incompetent retread (e.g. Jim Haslett, Dick Jauron, Norv Turner) because that guy just happened to be buddies with the right people. Look at what’s happened with Herm, for example…he was a cronyism hire and he basically got Carl Peterson fired because the fans finally got fed up with Peterson’s unwillingness to look for the best possible coach rather than a coach he just happened to know. In the end, it’ll be the results on the field that increase minority hiring, not some quota system designed to placate the pro-affirmative action idiots who are too stupid to differentiate between racism and cronyism because all they ever pay attention to is the color of someone’s skin.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Yes

I realize I’ve already violated the self-imposed ban on using the former GM’s name for the next 60 days, but it’s too much work to go weasel around it when you’re actually trying to make a legitimate point using an example he’s a part of. So, oh well. :)

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Great points. However, hasn’t the number of black coaches in the NFL increased since it was applied?

by Joel Thorman on Jan 9, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

But I think that’s more to do with our changing society than the Rooney Rule. People aren’t as racist as they used to be (although there certainly are still plenty of racists in society), we’ve become a more results-oriented society, we’re a more ethnically integrated society (demographically speaking, not just because affirmative action promoted a few more people), the communications age has allowed many of us to better understand the folly and inaccuracy of many racial stereotypes, and businesses have become more merit-based than they were before. The NFL is just following the same trend that society has followed for decades. I’d argue, though, that they’re following it more slowly because things like the Rooney Rule help insulate team owners from criticism for cronyist hirings because the NFL is essentially running interference for them with that rule.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He did work for Oakland

However it appears he was one of the lucky ones to make it out of there intact :)

Read his stuff at the National Football Post. It’s pretty good. They have an outrageous amount of content.

by Joel Thorman on Jan 9, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

And he breaks quite a few big stories before the MSM.

Also, Al Davis apparently hates him and blamed him by name for the Raiders “losing” Randy Moss, which automatically makes me a fan. :)

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’ve heard his name here and there as a potential GM candidate. He’s a good writer and friendly to blogs which makes me a fan :)

by Joel Thorman on Jan 9, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Mike

I like him on nfl network he gives good info and ya any guy that can ruin the al davis’s franchise I love . god I love this website and I love the chiefs I have to thank god im not a raider fan my life would suck.

by sexassassin on Jan 9, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1 on NOT being a Raider fan

That must be why they wear those hideous disguises to keep their identity concealed. Other wise everyone would laugh at them for being Raider fans, with Al Davis :)

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

costume party

Ya I have friends that are huge huge fans of the raiders and even those guys wont be caught dead in that stadium with out a mask . I wouldent be suprised if your boss seen you at a raider game and fired you over it. I cant imagine who hires those fans for jobs.

by sexassassin on Jan 9, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

But I was kinda tired of talking about him so we didn’t mention it :)

by Joel Thorman on Jan 9, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish

We need to sign Pioli today we needed to sign that guy like yesterday maybe even a week before that . Clark should be handing Pioli the check book and have him write his own check .

by sexassassin on Jan 9, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Easier said than done

With someone else’s money.

by Joel Thorman on Jan 9, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I know

Although I wonder what Clark’s personal worth is.

by Joel Thorman on Jan 9, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

big bucks

I read this article he owns a lot of other companys im not sure where I read it but it was pretty big time he is involved in other businesses

by sexassassin on Jan 9, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

part of the article I read

Chiefs fans don’t know a great deal about the man who has taken charge of their team’s destiny. Much like his father, Clark Hunt does not live in Kansas City and tends to shun attention more than crave it.

They know he was born to fabulous wealth. He, his sister and two brothers were equal heirs to a vast estate that includes holdings in oil, real estate and financial service companies in addition to the Chiefs and other sports properties.

by sexassassin on Jan 9, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He also

graduated top of his class in college, and played soccer for the national college title. He’s a sports guy, which is good for the team. He’s also smart.

I’m guessing he’s not going to rush anything, and probably still interviewing others. Just because Pioli is a big name in the media, doesn’t meant he’s the right person for the job. You especially want to see your other options before throwing all your eggs in one basket with Pioli. There may be someone else out the who’s less known but better suited for the job.

The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!

by IISaiNtII on Jan 9, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 ....was just thinking about that ?

Everybody’s so high on Pioli that they want to make the move on him (for good reason), but wouldn’t that be a little near sighted on Clarks part not to turn every stone before commiting to the next 5 years with him?

It just struck me as a bit hasty. Kinda falls on that old saying of “Be quick about it, but don’t rush.”

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Be quick but thorough

comes to my mind, and I think that’s exactly what he’s doing. Pioli isn’t going anywhere else. Pioli asked the Browns to sleep on it so he could interview with Hunt. Hunt asking Pioli to do the same shouldn’t be out of the question if you ask me. Hunt wants who he considers the best, but you don’t hire the first guy you interview.

I’m just going to sit back, relax, and try to remain patient while we all wait.

The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!

by IISaiNtII on Jan 9, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

He worked as a market analyst I believe…so he understands the importance of making objective decisions based on empirical data and not just going from your gut or on how you feel.

He had an interesting comment in the Lawrence Journal-World article about him this summer, where he talked about why he sat in on coaching meetings with the team even though he wasn’t saying anything there. He noted that it’s not really important for him to give input at that meeting because he didn’t need to know how to run the offensive or defensive schemes that the coaches were running, but for him to do his job and analyze his people effectively he did need to be able to see how well they could run it and how the results on the field differed from what they thought would happen. Basically, he understood that while meddling was a bad idea, he still needed to spot-check to make sure that people were doing the jobs he was paying them for effectively. That’s an important trait in a leader.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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