After watching the second half of tonight’s National Championship, I can’t say that I’m parti...

After watching the second half of tonight’s National Championship, I can’t say that I’m particularly impressed with Sam Bradford. That interception wasn’t his fault, but he totally choked on his last series. This was the best secondary he faced, and if you ask me he didn’t look like he was ready for the NFL. The main thing I’ve been wanting to see from him is a game-winning or game-clinching clutch drive down the stretch against a great defense. That definitely didn’t happen tonight. I’m just not sold on Bradford. Sorry.

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Bradford's first TD pass

he showed great composure in the pocket.

Florida ran an overload blitz on the left side, but OU did the best thing they could do, which was block from the inside out. That left a defender coming the long way off the left edge untouched.

Bradford just backpedaled until the receivers completed their routes and just as the defender was getting to him, Bradford stuck his left arm out at the Florida player and lobbed a beautiful pass (while running backwards) which was a bullseye.

The kid is impressive.

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 9, 2009 8:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

agree

That was awfully impressive. One thing im particularly impressed about the kid is his accuracy. That translates to any level. Granted he did have a lot of time behind that O-Line. Overall i like him better than Stafford still by a long shot.

by wjp1982 on Jan 9, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd Still Want The Chiefs To Draft Him

All that game means to me is he might not be ready to start yet…but he’s a viable franchise QB prospect.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

But is he really a high first round pick?

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 9, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Carson Palmer was the top pick in the draft and didn’t even start the first year for the Bengals. And he’s been a franchise QB and was worth the pick.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have to disagree

I think he would do better with one more year in college. It’s just my opinion but I think he could benefit working on his poise and decision making. But I admit he is a really good QB.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 9, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree Lanier...somewhat

He should stay in school one more year. The problem with that OTOH is that he’s losing his Offensive line after this year…so no protection (sound familiar?).
So I’m divided whether he should stay or go. Honestly, I like to see how these kids perform under pressure and to be honest, I wasn’t impressed with Bradford’s play in the game. I have to look at ALL the stat’s again to remind me, but I believe he threw 2 INT’s all season and 2 INT’s during this game alone.
Caoching didn’t help his case. Going for it on 4th down when it was 7-7 instead of going for the 3 pts. was just stupid. That early, you put points on the board.
As far as Tebow (good frame vs. Bradford), well if he wants to be drafted as a RB than he can go to the combine and go out for that. Plenty of college QB’s became position players in the pro’s….(the aforementioned was sarcasm). I really wasn’t impressed with him that much either.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tebow

I have to look at ALL the stat’s again to remind me, but I believe he threw 2 INT’s all season and 2 INT’s during this game alone.

That was Tebow who threw 2 INT’s in the regular season

Bradford threw 48 TD’s and 6 INT’s before last night.

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 9, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude 48 TD's.....that's pretty damn good, but sounds like an offense built on a gimmick, kinda reminds me of the Run-N-Shoot.

When something looks that good….there has to be something wrong. But that’s been my nature.

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep...I just looked it up

Bradford threw 2 INT’s last night as well as the 6 INT’s during the season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I take issue with Palmer being a franchise quarterback

The jury is still out on him. I’ll give him a mulligan on 2004 since that was his first season, but he’s had two good years, one decent year, and one year wasted by injury.

Give Clark time and don't panic. His deliberate approach is best-suited to the long-term interests of the team.

by chiefstatnut on Jan 9, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I meant: "2004 was his first season starting"

Give Clark time and don't panic. His deliberate approach is best-suited to the long-term interests of the team.

by chiefstatnut on Jan 9, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's Put It This Way

If you were running the Bengals and wanted to win this year how many current starting NFL QBs would you take ahead of him?

I’d probably say Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and maybe Jay Cutler. Can’t really say that I’d take anyone else over him…so that puts him squarely in the top ten QBs in the league. Possibly the top six depending on how you look at it. And he’s been there every year he’s been a starter. Is he the best NFL or on a Hall of Fame path right now? I’d say no…but he’s someone you’re probably not going to be replacing for another five years or so (barring injury). That’s a franchise QB.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd take Matt Ryan over him even as a rookie

and you can keep Tony Romo…he’s a bust. They built and built around him (which SB franchises are supposed to do) and he can’t get it done. I’ll agree with the rest…but I’ll add McNabb (since he wins playoff games) and Cassell and MAYBE (big maybe…very close) Rogers. Yep, them as well.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ryan was a 3year starter for BC who graduated, Senior....

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Romeo??

Tony Romeo with all the weapons around him is average or below average.

by Aejfan on Jan 9, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Carson Palmer had more time to develop his skills playing at USC for 3 years.

Bradfords only had two years to play on the college level. Bradford could be a top pro one day, but needs alot more time on the field to develop his skill.

Makes no sense for him to sit on the bench when he actully needs more playing time, but not at the pro level.

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's Also Been One Of The Best In The NCAA Both Of Those Years

His numbers are comparable to what a senior would put up. A very, very good senior.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Still only two years, look at majority of the QB's in the league most who are doing well were graduating Seniors.

Manning Brothers, Rivers, Palmer, McNabb. When I looked it up I rarely if ever saw a Junior who’s doing well in the Pro’s, much less a sophmore.

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Use John Butlers strategy: 1st round Knowshon Moreno, 2nd round Graham Harrell.

And finally trade LJ for whatever he’s worth.

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Most likely only a future consideration.

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pass on Brandford...

he’s fine when he’s going up against soft BIG12 D’s. Much like Chase Daniel, he folds in the presence of any sort of pass rush.

Proud to be a part of the Conference of Champions and their complete bowl season domination.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 9, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Is anyone else worried about Bradford's frame?

Bradford looks skinny to me. He’s young, so he could put on some more weight. I’m also sure my perspective was skewed by his counterpart on the other team, who makes Chase Daniel look like Kate Moss. Still, I’m worried about his durability in the NFL. He hasn’t been hit very much and the Chiefs’ line is still far from solid. I’d like to see that 3rd pick be spent on a pass rusher or OT.

Give Clark time and don't panic. His deliberate approach is best-suited to the long-term interests of the team.

by chiefstatnut on Jan 9, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking the same thing about his frame

kind of reminds me of Brodie’s frame.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good call...

… and you just scared the bejeezus out of me. I hadn’t made that connection. A little taller, perhaps, but not much thicker (if at all).

Give Clark time and don't panic. His deliberate approach is best-suited to the long-term interests of the team.

by chiefstatnut on Jan 9, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Very thin around the "guns"

SAM BRADFORD

VS.

BRODIE CROYLE

Here’s a pic from Sam’s tween years ;)

Seriously though, he’s a good kid. I’ll suggest the same thing I suggest to all QB’s (Brodie included after last year)…WORK WITH THE TRAINER. Build some bulk and muscle. If he played as well as he did earlier this year and had the frame of Tebow, it would be a no brainer.

I’m sure everyone saw the stark contrast in size between the two…I’m talking frame.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Difference Between Him And Croyle

How many games has he missed because of injury.

Tom Brady’s a thin guy, and until this year injury hasn’t been a problem for him. Brodie Croyle’s injury problems became well apparent by this point in his career.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 9, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Thats, pretty f’ing funny.

BUT, don’t compare Bradford to Tebow…or for that matter Croyle. No, he hasn’t been doing curls everyday, but he’s got the frame to put on more weight.

UC is right, Brady is thin, hell most QB’s are…and basically none are built like Tebow, but he’s also not Croyle waif-like either.

by kcsno56 on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

…he’s a kid and still growing. He can put the weight on. I’m not disputing either you or UC since it’s purely sepculation what ANY QB can do coming from college to the NFL. AS well as health concerns
It just hit me watching him last night that he reminded me of Brodie.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

for argument's sake

thought this too, here’s how the numbers stack up (wikipedia):
- Bradford – 6’4" 218
- Croyle – 6’2" 206
- Matt Ryan – 6’5" 225
- Tom Brady – 6’4" 225
- Brett Favre – 6’2" 222
- Roethlisberger – 6’5" 241

Adding another 5-7lbs of muscle in the NFL shouldn’t be a problem for Bradford, though I just saw that Croyle was 205 at the 2006 combine…how do you only put on 1lb after 2yrs of NFL weight training?

Run Run Pass Punt, repeat as needed for 60 min.

by RAM_Doubler on Jan 9, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I saw that too but only looked at Brodie and Bradford

good point about the 1 lb. It doesn’t make sense. He had plenty of time the FIRST time he got hurt to go to the trainer and get him on a regiment.
There’s no excuse….and NO, to some that I’m taliking about roids. There are plenty of athletes that have used personal trainers to bulk up.
The only think I can attribute an athlete not bulking up when presented with the opportunity is laziness and poor advice from the org.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 9, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not so much worried about the frame as I am about the Jerry Curls...what's up with that?

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am a bit leary of him

because of the whole looking to the sideline to adjust the play and what not. Maybe I just do not understand how that whole scheme works, but if the guy can not read the defense and do his own adjustments I see that as a problem.

by dragon6172 on Jan 9, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Did you see...

I think it was on the 2nd drive, Bradford chucked up a deep pass and completely hung his receiver out to dry. It looked like a great pass until Major Wright came over the top and absolutely leveled the poor receiver. I can guarantee if Dwayne Bowe was watching that, he let out a big NOOOO THANK YOU for Sam Bradford.

I know that doesn’t define Bradford as a QB, but it was a nasty hit made possible by a poor deep read.

by RedNose on Jan 9, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

What I remember about that play

Is Wright lighting up the receiver before the ball got there, an occurrence often referred to by the Ancient Greeks as “pass interference.”

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 9, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thought the same thing.

by NJChiefsFan on Jan 9, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

me too...

thought that too…great hit, though when the ball hits the defender in the helmet, it’s a good bet he got there first.

Run Run Pass Punt, repeat as needed for 60 min.

by RAM_Doubler on Jan 9, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Big XII needs better Ds

before you can really judge any of their QB prospects for the NFL. They play some good college ball, and for some people that’s all that matters. But you can’t judge them well for the next level playing against scrap-heap secondaries. The only other option we have for evaluating Big XII QBs is fo the schools to schedule some true non-conference competition, but they won’t because it could hurt their chances at getting to a bowl game if they lose.

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 9, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Can you imagine the QB class next year if Sanchez, and Bradford decide to go back to school?

Colt McCoy
Mark Sanchez
Sam Bradford

That would be a nice year to stink it up to be in a position to take one of them.

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thats what I am leaning toward

If we can take this draft and free agency and build both lines as well as the line backing positions, add a few position players, then I would love to find a future gem at QB. But none of this matters if we don’t address all of the coaching first.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 9, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hear ya....especially that the strength of this years draft is at LB.

The position that IMO was the weakest for us.

I’m partial to defense also since that’s the position that I played at in High school and a little bit in a Junior College, but I think we need to commit to potential stars on offense. Kinda torn on what would be the best case scenario for us? Should we trade down and maybe be able to pick up another 3. Then take BPA at RB or LB? I think we do need to commit to QB in the second round. I think Harrell and Nate Brown will be sitting there for us in round 2, not sure if we try later until the 3rd round.

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good call

I want a QB as bad as the next guy but we really need to rebuild our O-line. Having a rookie QB behind a rookie OL is a scary prospect. I’d say hit the D and O-line in this year’s draft and FA, let those guys get some experience and plop a new QB into an experienced unit in 2010. Since we won’t have a legit QB you can rest assured we will get a high enough pick next year to take a fine QB prospect and RB in the draft next year (making us the new “Atlanta” in terns of turn arounds).

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 9, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But I still say

the new GM will pick a QB as a visual symbol of starting anew. His first year will be rough since we will also try to rebuild the O line, so the kid is going to need a solid frame.

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 9, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's just frightening to take a suspect QB just to make a statement.

If Pioli is a genius like everyone says he should pass on the two young QB’s and address the 1st round on BPA. Then take QB in round 2.

If Pioli misses on this QB, he’s probably gone also. But the ramifications of this selection will haunt us for many more years after he’s gone.

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That still puts the 2nd round QB behind a weak line

We won’t take an interior OL or an RT with the #3 overall pick, and we have an LT, so if we take a QB in round 2 he will still play behind a weak line and have a rough season. The only way to make this work is to take an LT in the 1st round and move Albert to G. While that’s a possibility, I don’t think that’s the way they’ll go.

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 9, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed on the part that we have too many holes to fill through one draft.

But O-line especially RT can be addressed through free agency. The guy from the Titans will be a URFA, his name eludes me at the moment.

We just need a QB to develop, and waiting later in the draft might not produce the same results unlike taking one early in the 2nd round (i.e. Drew Brees 2nd round compared to Chris Weinke round 4)

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by aPacificChief on Jan 9, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He might be a better prospect if he goes back to school.

But I can’t see the argument that his stock would be any higher for it. He’d be taking a big risk financially to not come out. Whether the chiefs should take him when he does is another story. I say yes if he falls to us. I’d also love the possibility of trading down and letting somebody else grab him for the right price.

by KCScuba on Jan 9, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Bradford

He did not impress going against a real defense as opposed to what they play in the Big 12. The NFL is not 7 on 7. He lacks mobility and he looks small to me.

by FrankPitts on Jan 9, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Tebow Impressed me the Most

I know most are Bradford guys, but I thought Tebow showed more poise and strength. He looked like an NFL QB to me, but I am “ingnat” on most of the finer qualities to look for.

by TXChiefan on Jan 9, 2009 10:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs