Chiefs Have Six Unrestricted Free Agents
by Joel Thorman on Jan 8, 2009 12:12 PM CST
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Thanks to Adam Teicher at the Kansas City Star's Chiefs Blog for pointing out to us that the Chiefs are facing decision time with six unrestricted free agents. Let's take a look at each of them.
DE Jason Babin
Age: 28
Drafted: 2004, 1st round (Texans)
I wouldn't necessarily mind Babin sticking around. He's shown some ability since he signed with the Chiefs mid-way through the season. Ideally, the pass rushing issue is addressed in the draft or free agency and Babin sticks around as a reserve.
LB Rocky Boiman
Age: 28
Drafted: 2002, 4th round (Titans)
Considering the play of the rest of our linebackers, Boiman was a slight surprise. He was average in his playing time. Like the pass rushing situation, the Chiefs will ideally address this position in the draft or free agency and Boiman sticks around as a reserve.
S Oliver Celestin
Age: 27
Drafted: Undrafted
Who? Yeah, exactly.
OL Adrian Jones
Age: 27
Drafted: 2004, 4th round (Jets)
Another waiver wire guy. He doesn't have a future with the Chiefs (unless Herm sticks around).
S Jon McGraw
Jon McGraw or the Royals' Zack Greinke? You make the call.
Age: 29
Drafted: 2002, 2nd round (Jets)
McGraw's future may depend on Herm Edwards future. While he's been a nice addition at times (considering his cost), he's not a staple of the defense. However, he does play with intensity so I'd like to see him stick around.
LB Pat Thomas
Age: 25
Drafted: 2005, 6th round (Jaguars)
Thomas was a bust as a middle linebacker. He represents more of the same for the Chiefs - below average performance. Though he's familiar with the defense and relatively inexpensive as a MLB, he's not likely to stick around.
Because the Chiefs are so young they won't have too many problems retaining their free agents. A player is a restricted free agent his first 6 years in the league so the Chiefs should be able to keep the guys they want for at least a couple years.
Who will stay and who will go?
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First, whomever we keep,
Denny (the calculator) Thum would be able to resign these guys in his sleep. They wont cost us a whole lot so I say sign Babin, Boiman and McGraw to $500,000 each and lets look for others elsewhere.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jan 8, 2009 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt they make that much now
Babin especially. The only one in that list that was somewhat impressive to me was McGraw on special teams. His cap value for ’08 was $695,000 – The EXACT median salary for Chiefs players.
Babin’s cap hit to the Seahawks in ‘07 was around $750,000. Not sure what he made from the Chiefs in the ’08 season, but I don’t expect many (if any) of these guys to return; even in a backup capacity. Jon McGraw is about the only one I see coming back.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
by IISaiNtII on Jan 8, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like McGraw
Not sure if that’s because I look at him as the underdog or what but I like him and wouldn’t mind seeing him stick around.
The others…well, I guess Babin and Boiman. But I’m definitely not married to them and would trust that our new GM can find someone better.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 8, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's a pretty good
Special teamer from what I can tell.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 8, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like
Boiman, Babin and I know everyone will hate this but Pat Thomas was only a 6th rounder and is still pretty young at 25, maybe some upside to him maybe not. But they should all be pretty cheap to keep….if we do
by DT58forever on Jan 8, 2009 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
They’re all cheap.
Babin’s a former 1st rounder…
by Joel Thorman on Jan 8, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Babin and the ginger as reserves.
The rest get a big “meh”
Proud to be a part of the Conference of Champions and their complete bowl season domination.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 8, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I give
them all a big meh.
I’d rather let Brian Johnston heal and see him get another shot over Babin. I would guess that both could be retained though.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
by IISaiNtII on Jan 8, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Depth
I’d like us to keep Babin, Boiman, McGraw, and Thomas. I don’t see them as starters, but they can play and give us good depth. We need experience and quality depth guys to fill in. That’s one of the problems we had this last season…..no one to fall back on. They could also be a great addition to our special teams’ needs. We need them to get resigned at a good price.
by TXChiefan on Jan 8, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they "need"
any of these guys to be resigned. They can find people just as adequate off the street again I’m sure. Babin wasn’t playing for a reason. McGraw was a Herm guy from the Jets. Boiman … eh. He had his named called on a terrible defensive sqaud. Been in the league as a reserve, which is needed, yes. But I don’t see that these guys have to be retained like some of you are thinking.
They played for possibly the worst defense EVER in team history. For depth or not, they can all go and I wouldn’t be upset.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
by IISaiNtII on Jan 8, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Mcgraw should be retained
However I feel if Herm is gone, Mcgraw will be out the door with him.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Jan 8, 2009 12:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Babin, McGraw, Boiman
The rest will likely be gone.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 12:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
These would be
my three picks as well. McGraw is probably the best special-teamer we have, and does that very well. Boiman and Babin looked at least slightly interesting on a horrible defense, and I wouldn’t mind them as reserves/special teams at all.
by Seth_C on Jan 8, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely McGraw, possibly Boiman
McGraw is everything you want in a back up safety. He can come in and play pretty well in a reserve role, and he is a special team captain, which we need. Anyone remember the San Diego away game? He played his heart out that game and really earned my respect. I hope we keep him. Boiman is a guy who is smart enough to play multiple linebacker positions and I think is valuable to us. Both of these guys have a lot of heart.
by TheQ on Jan 8, 2009 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I keep
Mcgraw has heart he makes plays and he actually gets excited when he makes a play . And rocky I keep as back up he atleast with him he helps stop the run and he has work ethic that young players can follow.
by sexassassin on Jan 8, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
McGraw or Greinke
Between the two, gotta keep Grienke. Dude is loose cannon, a head hunter. Muthafuka is CRAZY. Thats why no one charges the mound on him. Royals need that kind of intimidation factor
by ArrowDread on Jan 8, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm freaking pumped about...
Grienke and Farnsworth this year. Two crazy ass head hunters. But I think PT was refering to the fact that Greinke and McGraw look alike. Personally, I think he looks more like local recording artist E-Fusion.
Proud to be a part of the Conference of Champions and their complete bowl season domination.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 8, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Non essentials
They can all readily be replaced. On a good team if they were your reserves you would question your depth.
by FrankPitts on Jan 8, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I say...
That none of these guys really NEED to be on the roster as all of them could be pretty easily replaced, but I think Babin and Rocky have a shot to be reserves next season…
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Go Chiefs!
by bigknoxy on Jan 8, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But it would be best to bring them to camp at the very least
to challenge the “new kids on the block” we also bring in.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jan 8, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Boimon and Babin stay, the rest are probably let go.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jan 8, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Concur with most of you
McGraw, Boiman, and Babin likely stay. McGraw for special teams and reserve capacity so we don’t have to use a draft pick on a safety (one position we are pretty set at). Boiman because he played decently at LB and can fill in at MLB or OLB. We will be looking everywhere for LBs this offseason but won’t be able to sign more than two or three players for that position, meaning we need to retain three to four to have reliable backups. We will keep DJ and likely Willimas, and my vote for the other LB to retain goes to Boiman over Thomas or Edwards. We keep Babin for similar reasons, we will be looking for a pass-rush DE but will likely retain a couple for backup spots. We will keep Hali for at least another year, draft or sign a FA pass-rusher, but will need two backups. One backup can be filled by the draft and the other will be either Babin, McBride, or Johnson and I think Babin showed the most ability from what little I saw. If we don’t draft a DE very early we will keep two of those guys and the other will sign to the practice squad as an emergency reserve (probably Johnson).
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 8, 2009 2:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looking at that group, I think WOW! thats pretty bad, none are worth resigning
McGraw was the only consistent tackler of the bunch, and we can use him in Special teams. On the others we should look at upgrading, seriously.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 8, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Babin v. Hali
Do you really think there is a substantial difference between the two? I think that Babin would of put up the same #’s as Hali if he had Allen on the other side. Neither one is a spectacular athlete and both appear to be high motor guys.
Beat the Donkeys!!
by schraggyj on Jan 8, 2009 11:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
*chiefs D*
THE CHIEFS CERTAINLY HAVE ISSUES,HOWEVER I SEE THE FUTURE OF THE SECONDARY DEVELOPING INTO A GREAT UNIT,SUCH AS BACK IN THE DAY.THE LB’S NEED SOME SERVERE HELP….AND THE D-LINE…WHAT CAN YOU SAY? NEVER BEEN THE SAME SINCE DERRICK THOMAS!!
by ruwolf22 on Jan 11, 2009 4:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The caps lock button is just to the left of the “A” on your keyboard.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 2, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The upside: KC, with around $45.75M in cap space according to Scout.com, does not have a single key free agent to re-sign this year. Any of these guys that the team decides to keep should come fairly reasonably, and the front office can afford to be players in free agency with guys like Matt Birk, Julius Peppers, Albert Haynesworth, and Jason Brown available. I’m not in favor of maxing out the cap this season, because it’d be nice to use the LBTE incentive loophole to push some space to 2010, but it’d be nice to grab a key player or two for the re-build.
by burntorangehorn on Feb 2, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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