Report: Chiefs Offer Pioli GM Job
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 6:35 PM CST
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610 Sports is reporting that the Kansas City Chiefs have offered Scott Pioli the job of general manager. Sources to 610 Sports say the two sticking points include money and control over football operations, specifically the coaching staff.
Money
It's unclear how far off the two parties are at this point. We don't know Clark Hunt's offer and we don't know Pioli's demands. But, if turning this team around is as important to Hunt as he's indicated, and if Pioli is the GM everyone hopes/expects him to be, then this shouldn't be a deal breaker.
We do know that Pioli was offered a 5 year, $15 million deal by the Seahawks in 2005 despite never interviewing for the job.
Power
According to 610 Sports, Pioli is seeking more control over football operations, specifically more control over the coaching staff. This likely means that he wants Herm Edwards gone if he decides to accept the job. Or he wants the power to make that happen if/when he's hired.
Former Chiefs GM Carl Peterson used to give his head coach control over his own coaching staff. Assuming Pioli does want Herm gone and Clark is fine with that, it's possible that the control over the coaching staff is referring to the freedom Peterson used to give his head coaches.
I can't imagine Clark Hunt will, after looking at the Chiefs the past two seasons, make this a deal breaker either. He's previously said he will ultimately make the decision on Edwards but some reports say he isn't likely to saddle a GM with a coach he doesn't want.
Stick around here for the latest updates to the Chiefs GM search.
H/T Eric Allen in the comments.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Don’t take him! He’s ours! We need him!
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Jan 7, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Marima
We need him a lot more. If it’s true : )
by oldchiefsfan on Jan 7, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
clark
God I wish jerry west was negotiating for clark this would be a done deal and they would be drinking beers by now and kansas city would be dancing in the streets.
by sexassassin on Jan 7, 2009 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Okay, that’s pretty hilarious.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I beat ya to it!:)
As I have been saying Herm is the wrong guy to build this team, we are getting close to getting the right guy! Here is to scoring some points nexr season, bye Herm!!!!!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Eric
One of my buddies said there was a rumor floating around and you pinpointed the source.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No worries mate, I am fucking jacked!!!!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, just a little wound!
Bad football for two years will do it to ya.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I am really pumped up right now.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HUH!?!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts too
Done waiting. Pay the man. He will pay for himself. Hell, I’ll even buy a Pioli uni if we bring him in.
by Sudden on Jan 7, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does Chris say about this?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris is out
He’s interviewing for other Blogging jobs across the Blogosphere. Early reports indicate he may make a move considering he’s one of the most sought after bloggers in the blogosphere right now. However, his personal ties to the Kansas City area leave some wondering why he would want to leave a seemingly perfect job like AP?
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He-He!
Thought maybe he was stuck in a bar!:)
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just hope Pioli does
not come in thinking all of us Chiefs fans are retarted!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Knew That Would Catch On Eventually :)
Now AP’s got it’s own inside joke. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a retart
Couldn’t pass it up :)
+1 for me calling you on it. Here comes the “retart” accussations until it gets old again. For those that have not been privy to this…see here
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Not Going To Point Out Your Retartedness Yet
I’m going to wait and spring it on you when you least expect it.
Retart. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By The Way
I wonder what happened to the guy who wrote that. He posted that one article then he never wrote anything else again…not even comments.
Hope we didn’t drive him off…the whole thing wasn’t meant to insult him because everyone makes bad grammar or typographical choices sometimes.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guilty all the time.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jan 8, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's hard to dispute Lanier
…even with my saavy for statistical empirical evidence :)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we've all been there
… I agree that hopefully we haven’t driven him off but we haven’t let up either so I can see him rolling his eyes and creating another account. We really have been kind of hard on the guy.
Your kinder gentler side makes you a retart UC.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No We Haven't
We never targeted him at all. And if you could read for comprehension you’d know that, retart. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure we have...
We keep bringing it up by retorting you retart :)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By The Way
My answers might very well turn retarted today…apparently the workers on the floor below me are handling some sort of industrial solvents right next to the AC vents so I’m getting pretty lightheaded. Just a heads-up if anything I write gets really squirrelly.
Feels like back when I used to build model airplanes.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My answers might very well turn retarted today
Which is different from any other day, how? :)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you got room for us near the vent?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jan 8, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think You Want Any Of This
It’s not in the least bit pleasant…it’s like being drunk without any euphoric feeling.
God, I hope it’s not toxic crap they’re working with. Whatever it is, it smells horrible.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So It's Really Not Like Building Model Airplanes At All
That glue actually smelled pretty good.
“A little for the plane…a little for me (sniff)” :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I work in the R&D lab
for a company that makes industrial paint…I breath solvent all day, every day =)
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 8, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I work in the R&D lab
for a company that makes industrial paint…I breath solvent all day, every day =)
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 8, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that explains the double post ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would he take his offensive coordinator, Primetime with him?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jan 8, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he does...
…I’d take a 3rd and 5th round for him :)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he worth that much? lol
j/k Prime
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jan 8, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He should feel proud
…I would’ve taken a box of used jock straps for Carl.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Paid Another Team One
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I told a Miami fan that they should have done the deal a month ago
and we would have given our 3rd pick for them to take Carl ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I meant to add those !!!’s to explain how excited I am.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aah.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
I would hope that this (if it’s in fact true – who knows why 610 would know anything that nobody else does) is posturing and simply the basic negotiation of the inevitable. You don’t want to be walked all over, but if Clark really is hung up on money and the right to make his own decision on a coach who’s 6-26 in the past two seasons, that doesn’t do much to support Whitlock’s claim that he wants to knock this first pitch out of the park…
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman
by Maddogmag on Jan 7, 2009 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
610 said it was a source inside Arrowhead. Is it Clark himself?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yay!
this is very exciting! although it just might be me but i dont wont herm to leave, if he leaves then tony leaves……any one this so??
by kirkismerff on Jan 7, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Please Clark
Let Scott know he can have anything he wants, including primer noctur with the future Mrs. Sudden should his heart so choose. Anything to bring victory into Arrowhead!
by Sudden on Jan 7, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why would TG leave if Herm does?
Herm has led this team down a bad road.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Man, I love TGon
Probably my favorite Chief ever, definitely the only Chiefs jersey I’ve ever owned and I’ve had it for years. But I think if/when a new GM and coaching staff come in we should brace for the possibility that Tony would once again asked to be moved and a new guy might just oblige him.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman
by Maddogmag on Jan 7, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too only jersey I have got as well.
If we get some quality coaches in here, he might want to stay.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Love to see him finish out his career with a Chief. Love even more to see him finish his career with a Chiefs Superbowl win. Alright, now I’m starting to talk like a crazy person
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman
by Maddogmag on Jan 7, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Might be getting a GM
Who comes from a winning org, the sky is the limit!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Toward the end of the season
from listening to Tony, I got the impression he wanted to stay but was worried that a new regime might want to deal him for picks…
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 8, 2009 7:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah unfortuently, New coach means new starting TE espcially if we get a new starting QB. TG deserves a ring and he probably aint gonna get that here next year
by NakedDave on Jan 7, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Maybe I’m missing the sarcasm, but just because there is a new GM doesn’t mean he is going to completely blow up ship and start over from scratch, hand-selecting each player. That is ridiculous and entirely unrealistic.
Especially when one of the players is the best TE in NFL history. But even beyond Tony G, we have plenty to build off of. A solid half of an offensive line (or at least 2/5), a couple solid WR options (Bowe, Bradley, Franklin), a brilliant change-of-pace back and passable every-down back (Charles), another solid option at RB (Kolby-Wan), a discontent-but-still-talented RB (Larry Johnson) and a decent future replacement candidate for said best TE in NFL history (Cottam). And that is just on the offense, and doesn’t even mention AP’s favorite, Bones.
by rockchalk on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony G said he wants out if he hears the Rebuild word. Id love to have him another 3 or 4 seasons but he’s said he doesn’t want to be apart of us if he gut the team coaching wise,
by NakedDave on Jan 7, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami was "rebuilt" in one year
I don’t think anything is out of the question anymore.
If I were Tony, I would be more excited about Pioli than not. I know what he’s said about the “R” word… but I think it could be done.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 7, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GUhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
Would people stop using Miami as the motherfucking gold standard???
May we remind you that the WHOLE POINT OF THIS EXERCISE IN REBUILDING WAS TO END THE ERA OF ONE AND DONE PLAYOFF TEAMS WITH GLARINGLY OBVIOUS FLAWS!
Seriously, huffing the horseshit off the espn jenkum is getting really old.
Yes it was a very impressive turnaround matched only in surprise by New England’s mild dip in dominance.
Chad Pennington? Ricky Williams? This would be reassuring to Chiefs fans? No thanks, we’re Pioli fans but the coronation of Bill Parcells is just annoying, especially if like us, you find Miami to be more of a fluke in a crazy AFC year than a bonified turn around to build on.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jan 7, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
Atlanta then. They’re a better comparison point anyway because they were in the same boat as us last year.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about Baltimore
They are still alive and they were 5-11 last year.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a little different
The year before they were 13-3 when they had a competent QB. Flacco played well this year, as did the Ravens.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami does have some issues
Like Pennington staying healthy. The age of their defense.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bloody Hell Parade...
Nobody is using them for a Gold Standard… and they’re not the first team to do it by any means. I think the whole NFC South at one point has pulled a worst-to-first (in their division).
For someone to suggest that we aren’t going to be capable of making a run next year if coaching and QB change is silly. That’s about all I’m saying.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 8, 2009 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He would probably already have one, if....
…. he didn’t put his left hand down out of bounds to break his fall in the Broncos playoff game. Remember that? He had a sure touchdown catch, with his feet just about to touch in bounds, but he stuck his hand out to break his fall. His hand hit the chalk before his feet hit the ground.
by KCinSD on Jan 7, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pioli
Give him the keeeys to the city I would actually kill al davis for this guy . And if scott wants some of al davis virgin blood ill give him that two just give him the keys clark.
by sexassassin on Jan 7, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think we'd prefer Al Davis live a long, long live
That way we only have two teams to compete against in the AFC West.
by Sudden on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where on that site does it say they offered Pioli a contract. Or was it on the radio?
by SayHeyWerd on Jan 7, 2009 7:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I heard it on the radio.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was on the radio
There’s a listen live button at the top there.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhhh I dunno...
Seems cheesey way to all of a sudden leak this sort of thing on local am radio when the whole thing’s been locked up as tight as Fort Knox. How sure are we that this isn’t the latest effort by the rumor mill?
by Buck'O on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
I trust their report that he’s been offered the job. I can’t say I’m 100% confident on anything else.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The cool thing about this is that once we get him.
We still get to speculate on who the next coach will be. I was pretty young when we got Carl, so this is just bad ass!!
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boston college does not mess around.
Fired their coach for interviewing for the Jets.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's BS
Coaches interview for other jobs, that’s the way it goes. Especially the college-to-NFL jump.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way
It’s BS that these coaches can just walk away from the contracts they signed after getting huge extensions, but a player who transfers in has to sit out a year to change his schools. Double standard to me.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Jan 7, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Schools Are That Worried About It
Then they can insert a poison pill clause like West Virginia did with Rich Rodriguez. Otherwise, the coach is under no obligation to not seek better employment if he thinks it’s available.
Like with you…if you weren’t happy with your current job, should you not be able to look for a better one without your boss’ permission?
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Just To Be Clear
I think BC was perfectly within their rights to fire Jagodinski. I just think the way they handled the situation was screwed up, petty and self-defeating.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Get The Idea
That he wanted out of there anyway. Most of the articles I saw indicated that he found deal with alumni to be a pain.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell bring him here as
an assistant, 20-8 over two seasons, sounds like a good coach.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Might Happen If We Get Pioli
He’s apparently interested in going back to the NFL as an offensive coordinator and he’s from the same stomping grounds as Pioli is currently (Boston). No idea if they even know each other though
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't he with Cinci
when their offense was strong?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Know
Can’t say I’m all that familiar with him, actually.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is that they are on the hook
for the rest of his salary.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
B.C., or Cinci?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited
but still cautious. I don’t want a GM that thinks more highly of himself than the team. I can understand negotiations and the significance of this deal, but I’m still happy that Clark isn’t looking to give the keys to the team to Pioli. There are other smart guys out there. Someone else said it correctly, when they mentioned that a GM has to fit, just like the players they bring in.
It definately is exciting though.
by TXChiefan on Jan 7, 2009 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just because he's looking for more power
doesn’t mean he puts himself above the team itself. If anything, he probably wants the power because he knows what it will take to turn the Chiefs into a DYNASTY. Yeah, I’m dropping the D word already. Bring it on, Scott, bring it!
by Sudden on Jan 7, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's doing what's best for himself
He knows how valuable he is and he needs to capitalize on that (because he hopefully won’t be looking for another job anytime soon). I don’t see that being a problem.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wants to win.
Whats wrong with him running the football side, he has the background.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem with him running the football side, but ...
I’m a little concerned if the speculation is that he wants to take away power from the Head Coach to select his own coaching staff. I’m curious if it is more about having control over the football and financial sides of the organization.
He should absolutely have the ability to hire and fire the Head Coach, and money shouldn’t be a huge sticking point unless he is just being absurd.
by etp_stl on Jan 7, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As I understand it he wants control of the football side only.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
He obviously knows what it takes to build a power house. Let him do his thing!!!
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are all 100% correct
I’m not banging on him for wanting the power and control as long as it stays in his lane and he isn’t trying to wear the one hat, like Carl did. He must be a very smart guy to have gone this far and to be seen as the best GM available. I guess it is just a Pats thing. Don’t trust those guys.
by TXChiefan on Jan 7, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing is guaranteed
But I am pumped for sho!!
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on the report
the sticking points seem like non-issues.
by Buck'O on Jan 7, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One Would Hope
If Pioli is talking about wanting the ability to fire assistants over the head coach’s objections, I can’t say that’s automatically a bad thing. Peterson should have stepped in and done it with Greg Robinson no matter how much Vermeil liked him.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Same for Solari. Seems like the HC gets wrapped up in what’s familiar sometimes and objectivity takes a back seat. I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing.
by Buck'O on Jan 7, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think That's Right
It’s like in politics…your biggest strength is also your biggest weakness. Loyalty is an important thing to have for your subordinates, but if you’re not careful it will also wreck what you’re trying to do. Sometimes everybody needs someone to come in from outside and shake up our way of viewing things.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going back and forth on whether that would be a bad thing
The GM having the power to break through a HC’s loyalty (i.e. overrule Vermeil and show Robinson the door) can have its positives, but I can think of far more negatives. You run the risk of forcing an assistant on a coach, which can be just as bad as forcing a head coach on a GM. Pioli wants to be able to name his head coach, why shouldn’t the head coach be able to name his assistants?
What’s more, the rumor has been that Pioli will only take a job if he can name his coach. Once Pioli is in place, why would any of the top head coaching candidates want to come to KC, knowing they won’t have the chance to name their own staff? Is this system common elsewhere in the NFL, especially with “model franchises”? I have a hard time believing the Steelers didn’t let Mike Tomlin hire his own staff, let alone Belichek with the Pats. As the GM, if you think you’ve got the right guy that can lead the team, then you have to trust him to bring in his own guys, and if you can’t trust him to bring in the right guys (and let any of them go if they’re not the right guys), then to me that’s a sign that you didn’t hire the right coach.
Hypothetically, the GM manages to hire a coach that is of the same mind when it comes to players and assistants, which means you wouldn’t run in to situations where the two disagree on hires and fires, but that’s not going to happen.
Personally, I think that’s too much power for one person…not to the extent that Peterson had, but still too much. I’d prefer to have the GM running the business side, the coach run the team on a daily basis (which includes hiring and firing his own staff), and the two come together with the owner when it comes to player personnel, draft picks and free agents.
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Jan 7, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to consider the people involved
If it were Peterson, I’d be inclined agree with you because the man was a tyrant and Lamar never seemed to have the gumption to interject. But I think what you’re saying is a little too absolute to fit the current circumstances. It looks to me like Clark is building a team with a set of checks and balances that should keep things on the level.
I would wager that Clark has made it crystal clear throughout these negotiations that he’s the owner and any GM or President of this team serves at his discretion. As the owner, he is the one constant with ultimate power and he’s shown a combination of patience and action that would make him highly desirable to work for. He went with Lamar’s program for just about as long as it was appropriate before he took corrective action. He showed enough patience to prove that he’ll support his guys through the rough stuff, but if you think about it, he gave his blessing to blow the roster up and rebuild only a year ago. They had a pretty remarkable draft and laid the groundwork for a bright future, but after only one abysmal year, he took action and forced a prudent change.
There are still a significant number of pundits out there who are in favor of staying the course, but Clark is smart enough to understand that we’re not going to win a championship with the same ol’ same ol’. He’s been pretty clear that the problem was that one individual had too much power and he’s pledged to divide that power between GM and President and as owner, he’s pledged to remain more actively involved. He hasn’t said how that will be, but he’s shown himself to be very shrewd and I don’t see him doing anything inappropriate or uncalled for. Again, he’s patient, but willing to jump in and make a change when necessary.
If you look at Pioli, IMO what makes him the best GM candidate is the nature of how he works with Belichik. He’s proven capable of working productively with a man who has the final say over his and he’s done so in what has been by all accounts a collaborative way. He’s demonstrated a knack for purging players at the right time to keep the roster on an even keel and at a very high level. I would say this is why he wants veto power over assistants as well. If the assistant gets to close to a player or a scheme that isn’t effective and they’ve lost the objectivity to mitigate it, someone has to man-up and make the call. I think this is what SP is looking for.
I’ll go out on a limb and make the call that Thum will get the nod for team president. He’s proven to be one of the league’s best cap managers and is said to be a great contract negotiator. If he is in a position to have say-so over contracts and cap management, then he would have a check on the GM in that regard as well. The GM would have to consult his money man to determine if a given personnel decision was in the best interest of the team from a financial perspective. If we are to believe the rumors, Thum has been involved in the Chiefs/Pioli negotiations, so these guys are all feeling each other out through this process. If they do come to an agreement then I think it shows that these guys have the confidence that they can work together.
by Buck'O on Jan 7, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Gun this year
Gun shoudlve been fired in week 7 (or should I say Weak 7). Gibbs could’ve taken over as interim DC top see if he could be the one going forward
by Sudden on Jan 7, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sad to say
But you are absolutely right. Same with Pfiefer.
by TXChiefan on Jan 7, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dumb
Gibbs had a Defensive Back as HC running a D scheme based primarily on coverage schemes, Vermeil and CP built that line and we gave Solari credit = dumb; same mistake. Either axe Herm and not Gunther or clean house, cut out Gun the middle man and promoting Gibbs would have been a rash and pointless move.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jan 7, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder where Gailey fits in
if at all?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was watching an NFL Classic Games in Week 17
Cowboys/Iggles when Chan was OC for Dallas. Dallas blew a first half lead in that game. I’m wondering if maybe this is a habit of his, and if so, we might wanna consider someone who can make adjustments for the most important half of a game.
by Sudden on Jan 7, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
I would imagine that he’d at least be interviewed by whoever the new HC is. He did show an ability to work with talent (or lack thereof) he has. Who knows how much responsibility he bears for the questionable play calling though. Probably doesn’t hurt his cause that Jerry Jones came out this week and expressed regret for not giving him more of a chance.
by Buck'O on Jan 7, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard speculation
And its only speculation, but it is that Pioli and Clark already agreed to terms, they’re just waiting until tomorrow when everyone can get together for the press conference. Give King Carl an extra day to soak in the abdication of his throne and let Pioli clean out his office in Foxboro.
Dear God I hope it is true. I want the announcement tomorrow. F that. i want it NOW!
by Sudden on Jan 7, 2009 7:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If this deal does happen
I really hope the new staff is in place by the Senior Bowl. I wan’t those new coaches out there working the numbers and lining up our new rookies. I also want the FAs out there to look at KC and salivate for the opportunity to play for us.
by TXChiefan on Jan 7, 2009 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On A Different Tangent
Is it just me, or when looking at the picture of Pioli does “Tony Soprano with glasses” cross anyone else’s mind?
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tony Soprano Had Man Boobs Too
Just saying. :)
And I don’t mean the comment in a bad way…Tony Soprano in the show was a master tactician. He correctly assessed a threat to his well-being and whacked a disloyal capo off a fevered dream from eating bad Indian food. :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
That’s pretty good. Still a Sopranos newbie, just bought the 1st season…
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Season Three Was The Best One IMO
Although they were all pretty good…down to the final season. The episode “Pine Barrens” was my personal favorite (although I’m not going to tell you anything and ruin it…fuhgeddaboudit). :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest
I liked season 3 because for the majority it no longer had Tony’s mom. Livia drove me to drink. And that’s not to speak ill of Nancy Marchand, the actress who played Livia and passed away, just her character.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman
by Maddogmag on Jan 7, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, But When You Go Back And Re-Watch
She just gets better and better…Livia and her husband really fucked up their kids’ lives.
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My god
Family I see disturbing parallels in my own life… (jk)
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman
by Maddogmag on Jan 7, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Her And Tony's Dad
Talk about the marriage from Hell. Those two just brought out the worst in each other.
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All Of The HBO Shows From That Time Period Were Pretty Great
I’m just re-watching “Six Feet Under” now…almost done with season three. And it’ll probably be time for a re-viewing of “The Sopranos” or “The Wire” soon enough. :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, The Wire was awesome
Too bad nobody watched it. When Omar and Brother Mouzone teamed up to take out Stringer Bell I swore it was the greatest moment in television history.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman
by Maddogmag on Jan 7, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Was Sweet
Too bad Stringer had to die, though…he was an awesome character. A drug trafficker who ran his operation off of sound economic planning and Robert’s Rules of Order. I loved how when McNulty went through his apartment he found Adam Smith’s “The Wealth of Nations” and goes “Who the fuck was this guy?”
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UC, we may have to change our signatures!
Oh well we all must sacrifice sometiimes!:)
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm Still Going To Wait
Until the axe falls…after that, Herm becomes “The coach who will not be named” in my signature block.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who shall not be named!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Too :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Should Be Reserved
For a kicker who shall not be named….
or alive.
by Sudden on Jan 7, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Finkle?
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll go with him
So we don’t have to name the “other guy”. [Shudders…]
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
Lois Einhorn?
Einhorn is a man, you know. :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Finlke & Einhorn, Finkle & Einhorn, Ray Finkle, Lois Einhorn....
She’s a man!
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 7, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your Gun Is Digging Into My Hip
(chews more gum)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude....Laces OUT!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 8, 2009 3:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't hold a grudge with Herm
whereas we justifiably can with Carl. Herm actually left this team in a great shape to be handed over to someone who actually knows what they’re doing. He was right about his vision and I think he always saw the writing on the wall as he often spoke about builiding something and handing it over better than he found it. He cleaned house for us essentially, did the dirty work, and now Pioli or whomever comes has it relatively easy. I’m thankful for that…………Carl? Notsomuch……
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 7, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
Everything wrong with the Chiefs is not his fault, he just couldn’t turn it around quick enough in today’s NFL. I bet Pioli is licking his chops for what he can do with the Chiefs. As you say, the heavy lifting is essential already done. In theory, it should be easier than what Parcells did in Miami this season.
by TheQ on Jan 7, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All this excitement
I will be like a kid at Christmas all offseason!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Should be a kid the night before Christmas!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All of you stop it!
Or I am nearly going to piss my pants from excitement. ;)
by DThomasReigns on Jan 7, 2009 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Me too
But then I went to the bathroom.
Problem solved!
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All this and 24 starts again Sunday!!!!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 7, 2009 7:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If It's True
Then I’m happier than a puppy with two peters.
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will have to use that one
thanks ; ^ )
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 7, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stole It From A Movie
A well-known movie. Extra special bonus points if any of you can guess which one. :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I’ve heard that before….isn’t it from that movie where those guys go camping or something? I have it on the tip of my tongue (or I’m completely off).
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting Warm
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Think More Mainstream
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Cheating
But if you’ve got to, go ahead I suppose. :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I did have to. :) But I won't spoil it.
by DThomasReigns on Jan 7, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No Points For You Then
If you try to claim your points and I know they are for you, then I will chop them up with an axe!!! :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is driving me crazy
Only because I’m not googling it. Although, I wonder if that phrase would come up.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Want A Hint?
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll Give You Two
Noble Willingham was the one who said the line…and Daniel Stern played one of the main characters. If I give you any more than that it’ll definitely give it away.
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Daniel Stern gave it away
City Clickers
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Save
I almost failed you on it…what the fuck is a city clicker anyway?
Thought Stern might have been obscure enough. Jack Palance, Bruno Kirby or Billy Crystal would have definitely been too much of a hint.
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Palance Had My Second Favorite Line From That Film
“I crap bigger than you.”
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Lovitz
In the movie, they find out that Jon Lovitz can immediately tell you how many letters are in a word. LIke if you say the word dinosaur, he can immediately tell you how many letters are in it.
I can do that as well.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And If I can parlay that into
Getting laid then it’ll be worth it someday :)
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That Was "City Slickers 2"
Didn’t watch it.
Jon Lovitz replaced Bruno Kirby because Kirby and Billy Crystal had some sort of serious falling out. No clue what it was about, but apparently whatever happened they went from best friends to completely hating each other and not only refused to work with each other again but refused to work with anyone else who had worked with the other person. Ended up seriously damaging both of their careers sadly…Kirby became a minor character actor and Crystal never put out anything as good again and got old fast.
So I’ve never really watched “City Slickers 2”. Crystal just wasn’t as funny without Bruno Kirby (notable exception being “The Princess Bride”).
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed.
Then I’m happier than a Clark with two Piolis.
by DThomasReigns on Jan 7, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now That's Just Creepy
That sounds like you’re alluding to an evil wiggly-H with Clark Hunt and the Pioli twins.
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too good to be true
If Pioli’s landed (which I’ve doubted from Day 1) than Kansas City won’t know what to do with itself. We’ve all been conditioned so long to accept mediocrity that turning almost overnight into a “contender” is a little extreme. One thing for sure is Arrowhead would be filled next season and Clark would never have to see a stadium like the last home game. Regardless of what happens or who is signed I don’t care because now I’m confident that the Chiefs are still in great hands with the Hunt family. I didn’t know much about Clark before the start of this season but he’s blown away all my expectations for him and shown to be a chip off the old block…..but better.
Proud days to be a Chief fan
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 7, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Concerned
Do good things like these really happen to Chiefs fans?
by FrankPitts on Jan 7, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why Not Us?
There’s nothing so inherently bad about Chiefs fans that things can’t go right sometimes too. :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too Exciting!!
I really, REALLY want these rumors to be true. If so then I will be celebrating all the way up here in Alaska. This will be an amazing upcoming season for Chiefs fans. And I’m moving back to K.C. so I get to be there to see it! Even better!!
There's no hope with dope...
by chrisjo07 on Jan 7, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very Nice
I’m trying to temper my excitement but it’s damn near impossible.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this goes down soon
Because if it doesn’t I will surely be fired before herm.
by Idahochief on Jan 7, 2009 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I know what you mean. As the Chiefs GM search heats up, my interest in work cools down :) All the more reason I need to just become a NFL GM.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm right there too
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman
by Maddogmag on Jan 7, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can bet the press is busting their asses trying to verify this
Would be funny to watch
by oldchiefsfan on Jan 7, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If these comments keep coming
We’ll have to create our first non-gameday overflow thread :)
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would go even more crazy if
Pioli brought on Cowher or Shanahan..Please baby do it! No offense but the coach in Iowa isn’t all that impressive..For all you Ferentz lovers out there how do you explain his 82–74 coaching record?
Would you want to promote a college head coach with a 82-74 record to lead this team? The answer is no..If we get Shanahan, we will be back in the 90’s
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 7, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cowher/Shanahan are probably looking for power
And Pioli isn’t looking to hire a guy that will minimize his power.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't follow Iowa football you don't understand.
Also, Ferentz was 2-18 in his first 20 games as he inherited a totally bare cupboard. It doesn’t matter, because he isn’t leaving Iowa.
Someday Ferentz will coach in the NFL, and he’ll be great. Tom Coughlin’s W-L in college wasn’t all that great either. But this isn’t about Ferentz, it’s about Pioli, and I think he’d be a great hire.
If he doesn’t take the job it’s because he doesn’t want to be here. If that’s the case I’d rather have someone who does anyway.
by DonnyDonovan on Jan 7, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if this isn't true
Will I sink into the prepetterson firing funk or will it be like my age 6 christmas. I was getting a BB gun. It was under the tree. It had the right length, weight, and shake. Christmas came, the wrapper came off and behold a fucking baseball bat. What the hell was I going to do with a baseball bat in december. I should have broke out every window in the house but I didn’t think of that until now.
by Idahochief on Jan 7, 2009 8:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Take this with a grain of salt
But I ran across this post on a chiefs forum from someone who “apparently” has ties with people within the chiefs organization..Posters after him commented that all of his posts have in the past been accurate so we’ll see about this one..
"Okay gang, as many of you know I still have friends at the highest level in the Chiefs organization and have this info to share with full confidence: Scott Pioli is the new GM. His announcement will come Thursday or Friday at the latest. Clark and Scott are working out the finer points of his contract tonight, but the deal is sealed. Also, Clark informed Herm Edwards and his coaching staff that they will be released. All assistants can reapply through Scott.
I only share this information because I’m no longer with the team and it’s fun to share that a new day is dawning at Arrowhead. Scott Pioli will quickly move to clean out the front office and hire a new coach.
The only info I have on the new coach is it will not be Kirk Ferentz from the Iowa Hawkeyes. Kirk coaches his son at Iowa and does not want to leave until his son graduates.
Mike Shanahan has contacted Pioli, but I don’t know any info beyond that."
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 7, 2009 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Someone posted that on the Star's Chiefs blog
And Pat Bowlen has already said he wouldn’t be happy with Shanahan went to KC and they are, by all accounts, very good friends so I don’t see that happening.
I don’t believe that….but I’d be happy to be proven wrong.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Shanahan Actually Contacted Pioli
I don’t think Shanahan’s as good of friends with Bowlen as Bowlen thinks he is. :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Firings Have A Tendency To Screw Up Even The Best Friendships
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I'd want Shanahan.
Not only does it just feel “wrong” and like we’d be cavorting with the enemy, but, really, since he lost Elway and a healthy Terrell Davis after the 1998 season the guy really hasn’t done squat.
One playoff victory in 10 seasons and plenty of mediocrity in that time isn’t much to hang your hat on. I’m not sure Shanny is the genius everyone thinks he is.
by DonnyDonovan on Jan 7, 2009 9:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Most Of That
Was because Shanahan was also the GM and he did a terrible job of drafting. His coaching, though, was still top-notch and I suspect he’d be better served in an environment where he’s not picking his own players. Heck, he might even have more fun coaching in that kind of environment…seemed to work for Holmgren when he got fired as GM in Seattle and became just the coach.
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by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does Pat Bowlen have to do with this?
Bowlen fired Shanahan..So he can’t prevent him from doing anything..And if Pioli wanted Shanahan then I don’t think Shanahan would turn down the perfect opportunity..
1. Loudest stadium in the entire NFL ..Check
2. One of the best running backs in the league…Check (Come on Larry is still amazing, our line is crap)
3. 3rd Pick in the draft..Check
4. Alot of young talent ..Youngest team in the nfl..Check
5. Tony mother freaking Gonzalez..Check
6. And a shrewd gm in Pioli if he’s hired
7. One of the best franchises in football..Period
8. A chance to kick al davis’s ass twice a year and get back at Denver..
This is almost too good of a situation to turn down right?
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 7, 2009 9:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Bowlen and Shanahan are friends
Bowlen said he didn’t want Shanahan to go to KC. That’s where it stems from.
I’m not saying Shanny will listen (if the opportunity ever presented itself) to Bowlen, just saying…
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what if they are friends
You can’t fire someone and then tell them where they can’t work. That isn’t a good friend, I wouldn’t think. I could be wrong. I am a lot
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, they can't
You’re right. I was merely speculating based on their press conferences…they both seemed like genuinely good friends. We’ll see though.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they are very close.
I don’t see him here just because I don’t think that is who Pioli has in mind. That is if Pioli comes to KC.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Shanahan Were Interested In KC
It might also be nothing personal against Denver or Bowlen. As we’ve seen with quite a few players, some just like to stay in an area where they’re more comfortable…maybe some coaches are the same way. Maybe Shanahan just wants to stay in the AFC West because it’s a division he knows and likes. He did build himself a 35,000 square foot house in Denver after all, and that wouldn’t be too far from KC by plane flight. :)
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by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And Pioli would be taking over those duties…Which means Pioli picks the defensive players..
Has Herm packed up his stuff yet?
Can you imagine how loud arrowhead would be next year with Shanny and Pioli..Holy crapoli..
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 7, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cautious optomism
I am hopeful…but I at least want to at least see the rumor in a crawl on ESPN….
by FrankPitts on Jan 7, 2009 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I kind of watched the ESPN crawl to, I have to admit
but the Chiefs don’t rank up there with them YET. But we will dominate it soon!
by oldchiefsfan on Jan 7, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shanny BTW
Before it is all said and done I have a feeling he will be in Dallas even if only as an “adviser” for a season to save face.
by FrankPitts on Jan 7, 2009 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This was in the New England Patriots Examiner
The fans in Kansas City are apparently smarter than the ownership in Cleveland.
Chiefs’ owner Clark Hunt is good friends with Jonathan Kraft, so I’m sure he already knows just how good Pioli is.
If Pioli were to be hired in Kansas City, Herm Edwards would be lucky to make it through Pioli’s press conference. Which, according to Peter King, is what Edwards wants anyway.
Someone fire the guy already!
Even they know how good the fans here are.
by oldchiefsfan on Jan 7, 2009 9:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jack Harry just reported
that the money rumored that Scott wanted was over inflated and if Pioli did agree to come to the Chiefs that it would be a 5 yr contract for 15 million.
by oldchiefsfan on Jan 7, 2009 10:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Football Trivia....
The man in the picture behind Pioli is _________ and he has more Superbowl rings than anyone else in the sport…
He was the Cowboys Strength and Conditioning coach through their dynasty and then the Patriots in the same position through their dynasty….So I guess he has 6…more than anyone…
This has been, football trivia!
(Also, props to Prime for bringing back a good moob shot for a Pioli thread….great work…SOMEBODY GET THAT GUY A BRO!)
by woodman212 on Jan 7, 2009 11:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wrong you crazy alcoholic furry you
Neal Dahlen won seven, five w/ SF and 2 w/ Dallas.
Joe Montana has four, well earned, beyond that the rest is just trivia.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jan 8, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhh
But two of those were as an executive with DENVER (not Dallas)
Mike Woicik has more than any coach or player….
Forgive me, Parade, for underquailifying my question…lol
by woodman212 on Jan 8, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry is not amazing
he is worthless becasue he doesn’t care and he is a cancer and deserves to be cut which will never happen. LJ didn’t hit the hole fast enough and believed that he can push his way through anything, and didn’t adapt to anything, I can’t wait til we get rid of this guy whenever or if ever that is.
by IamtheGreatest on Jan 8, 2009 1:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't go as far to say he doesn't care.
If that were the case, he wouldn’t want out so he can play. He knows he screwed up and knows it can’t be fixed. I would say it bothers him and that he does care.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 8, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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