Carl Peterson Not Headed To Miami
Yesterday, former Chiefs GM Carl Peterson called talks of him going to the Miami Dolphins in some front office role "pure speculation".
Today, he was a little more decisive in his tone regarding the rumors that he was headed to South Beach. Per the Associated Press:
"It's not going to happen," Peterson told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "I have a lot of good friends there, but I need to get away for a while. It's been 20 years of making decisions every day and I need a rest."
I think we all know King Carl well enough to know this isn't the end of the road for him and speculation about the Miami job.
Do you think Carl Peterson will be employed by a NFL team at the start of the 2009 season?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Whoever decides to hire him
We owe it to their fans to go to their respective SBNation site and warn them. Warn them to find a new favorite football team
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 7, 2009 4:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Carl did well here his first few years. Maybe he has that again, maybe he doesn’t.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He Doesn't
Unless he pairs up with Marty Schottenheimer again.
That was the secret of his first nine years. He was just as crappy a drafter back then as he is now.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Mean In The USFL?
Sorry, but I’m only talking about real football. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles
He was in charge of personnel there and made the Super Bowl without Schottenheimer (Yes, I know the game has changed vastly since then).
by Joel Thorman on Jan 7, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not As A GM
Jimmy Murray was the GM. But if you look at how well Peterson’s teams drafted for that Super Bowl team in 1980, his team’s record with draft picks was just as spotty leading up to that Super Bowl as his record with the Chiefs has been.
Peterson took the director of player of personnel job before the 1976 draft. Here’s how many players from those drafts made it to the 1980 team and what role they had on that team:
1976 draft (15 players drafted): LB Carl Hairston (starter), FB Mike Hogan (starter)
1977 draft (10 players drafted): RB Wilbert Montgomery (starter), NT Charlie Johnson (starter)
1978 draft (7 players drafted): LB Reggie Wilkes (reserve), RB Billy Campfield (reserve), C Mark Slater (reserve)
1979 draft (10 players drafted): LB Jerry Robinson (starter), G Petey Perot (starter), K Tony Franklin (starter), WR Scott Fitzkee (reserve), P Max Runager (starter), LB Al Chesley (reserve)
1980 draft (10 players drafted): DB Roynell Young (starter), DE-NT Thomas Brown (reserve)
So basically the team Peterson worked for had one really good draft (1979) leading up to their Super Bowl appearance, one draft where they got three players (all reserves), and three where they got two (including the 1980 Super Bowl season, which means most of their draft picks that year weren’t even reserves for their team). That record looks very similar to Peterson’s record of drafting here.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carl was a good GM the first 10 years
Saying otherwise is pure bitterness talking.
The organization grew from 80 employees to over 150 in his time here. I think he was wearing too many hats and got spread too thin over time. The Chiefs got too big for one man to be over everything and do it well.
If Carl goes to another team and has one position, be it GM or more likely as a President over the business side, I think he will do just fine.
by ChiefDJ on Jan 7, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Record
The organization grew from 80 employees to over 150 in his time here.
The number of people the Chiefs employ has no bearing on whether Peterson did a good job here unless a causal link can be shown to prove that adding those extra employees somehow improved the product the Chiefs put on the field.
I think he was wearing too many hats and got spread too thin over time.
I think that’s probably right. All of his positions were basically full-time jobs and we’ve seen how rarely it works out when head coaches try to pull double-duty as GMs.
If Carl goes to another team and has one position, be it GM or more likely as a President over the business side, I think he will do just fine.
His record of drafting here indicates otherwise…he has a bust rate of over 50% for first-day players and a terrible record of drafting with first round picks. The Eagles’ draft record while Peterson was their director of pro player personnel at best doesn’t help the argument that he can consistently evaluate personnel and at worst indicates that his problems with player evaluation have been a constant through his career.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is more to being a GM than just drafting
Especially when considering the Chiefs have always relied heavily on veterans and free agents throughout the Peterson era. Petersons draft record is not outstanding, but neither was it the worst in the league either. The Chiefs had many Pro Bowlers during the Peterson years, whether drafted or brought in via free agency, Peterson was responsible for bringing the majority to KC.
In his first 12 years KC had a record of 117-74-1, a winning % of .610 and went to the playoffs 7 times and won the division many times. Yes, most of that was done during the Schottenheimer years, but Carl is the one that brought Marty and they worked well together.
But most importantly, Carl Peterson is the man almost solely responsible for the fact that we even care about the Chiefs in Kansas City, because not very many did before he arrived. Peterson brought the pride back to Arrowhead, and no matter what anyone else thinks of him, I personally will ALWAYS be grateful to Carl Peterson for that very fact.
by ChiefDJ on Jan 7, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
The ability to consistently draft well is one of the keys to building a good football team. Peterson’s teams struggled largely because he couldn’t do that.
Especially when considering the Chiefs have always relied heavily on veterans and free agents throughout the Peterson era.
Those are part of player evaluation as well. It wasn’t just drafting that was a problem for Peterson’s front office…it was evaluating talent altogether, as well as determining a good price to pay for that talent. They’d find some steals like Priest Holmes, Joe Phillips and Dan Saleamua but they had way too many guys like Kendrell Bell, Priest Holmes (at age 31), Larry Johnson (with his contract extension), Dan Williams, Chester McGlockton, Donnie Edwards, Napoleon Harris, etc.
Petersons draft record is not outstanding, but neither was it the worst in the league either.
Never claimed it was. I think Matt Millen laid claim to that mantle pretty convincingly.
The Chiefs had many Pro Bowlers during the Peterson years, whether drafted or brought in via free agency, Peterson was responsible for bringing the majority to KC.
Pretty much every team in the league’s had Pro Bowlers on their roster. Even teams like the Lions and Cardinals. It’s how well the talent evaluators do overall that matters, not how well they do on just the best players they find.
In his first 12 years KC had a record of 117-74-1, a winning % of .610 and went to the playoffs 7 times and won the division many times.
And how many playoff games did those teams win in 12 years?
Yes, most of that was done during the Schottenheimer years, but Carl is the one that brought Marty and they worked well together.
And if Carl had left with Marty we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion and we’d all be saying that Peterson did a pretty good job with the team, and I’d be right on board with that. But he didn’t…he overstayed by a long stretch and left the team in pretty much the same condition he found it.
But most importantly, Carl Peterson is the man almost solely responsible for the fact that we even care about the Chiefs in Kansas City, because not very many did before he arrived.
I think that’s giving Chiefs fans too little credit and Peterson too much credit. Fans just want to see a successful football team…they don’t really care that much about the sales pitch. They went to see the Chiefs because the Chiefs with Marty and Carl won a lot of games…a lot more than they lost. The reason they don’t go now is that it’s been a long time since the Chiefs won like that. In fact, I’d say it’s more a credit to the fans than Peterson that they’ve stuck around as long as they have considering the team’s performance for the last decade. Peterson made some good changes, but he’s hardly been the savior of Chiefs football…that was more about Schottenheimer (as the record bears out). Peterson was just a GM with questionable skills at evaluating personnel who made a really great hire on his first head coach, had plenty of success for the first decade, then lived off that reputation well past the point where he was actually helping the team. I appreciate what he did here in the ’90s, but Peterson deserved to get fired a long time ago.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 7, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're entitled to your opinion
But for every person that hated Peterson with a burning passion, there are fans who remember the Chiefs before he arrived and especially now that he’s gone, no matter what his more recent record was will always be grateful for what he did and how he contributed to making Chiefs football what it has been for the last 20 years, both on the field and for building the passion the fans have for it now.
You can try to explain away his successes or give credit to other people all you want if that helps you sleep better at night, but football is the ultimate team sport and that goes from the GM down to the position coaches and scouts.
Peterson deserves praise for his part in the successes as well as criticism for his part in the failures.
by ChiefDJ on Jan 7, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely with DJ
Although I believe it was time for Carl to step aside no one can deny he has had on this organization..Up until the last two years, this was one of the best franchises around in regards to winning and losing. His first ten years here we’re really good…Carl completely changed arrowhead into the best stadium and atmosphere to watch a game, he and marty built teams that we’re always good and eventually broke our hearts in the playoffs..8 of his last 10 years here we’re very mediocre..And the last two have been as we all know terrible..
But we can’t deny the only reason the chiefs are soo loved in kc is due to Carl and Marty..As far as im concerned his worst decision was bringing in Herm Edwards..Like I said, It was his time to step down, however He did a good job and I would not be surprised at all to see him hired somewhere else as a GM..If the last two years had not happened, KC and Denver would probably be the only two teams in the NFL that we’re always above the 6-10 mark every year since the early 90’s..The guy did his job..We won a lot of games, and he made the franchise a lot a lot a lot of money..Somebody will want him..
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 7, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WHY DO WE CARE!??!?!??!
He is gone…
I dont miss him, but I do feel like my awesome mom just divorced an abusive step-dad…
Weird analogy…
by woodman212 on Jan 7, 2009 11:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Would it be possible to put a 60 day ban on the use of the name Carl Peterson so we can just forget about him?
Kinda like, “children that tornado is gone, it was just a bad nightmare, go back to sleep and things will be fine in the morning.”
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jan 8, 2009 9:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll Joined That Ban
And accept that challenge. 60 days without talking about our FORMER General Manager. See I’ve started now, didn’t even mention his name :)
by ksjhwk on Jan 8, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm In
So no mention of him until March 9. I think I could pull that off.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who are we talking about? :)
What’s on second and I don’t know’s on third.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 8, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I May Be Going Out on a Limb..............
But I think I could go the remainder of my lifetime without mentioning our Former GM by name. Honestly its something I would love to forget!!
LOOK TO THE FUTURE!!!!!! THE TIME IS NEAR!!!!!!!!! A NEW CHIEFS ERA!!!!!!!!!!! BRING IT ON!!!!!!!
by ksjhwk on Jan 8, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably Not If You're Talking About Chiefs Football
The guy was here for almost 20 years, after all…that would be like trying to discuss Iraq without mentioning Saddam Hussein.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about
‘The douchenozzle formerly known as General Manager’
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 8, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I’m done with the name-calling on him altogether. I won’t sugarcoat what I think of his overall record, but he’s gone now, I think he tried his best, and what’s done is done so there’s really no point to it.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 8, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
He is a good man and I wish him the best, just not against the Chiefs!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jan 8, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I DONT CARE WHERE CARL GOES
Just as long as its out of KC. As I look back at the 20 yrs of King Carl I think he should have left when Marty left. BUT< Lamar was a loyal man so that didn’t happen. At least he should have been removed as GM and moved over to the business side of the Chiefs. BUT the good news is he’s gone and hopefully we will have a new GM soon and he will get rid of our other problem. HERM!! Here’s to good news in the NEAR future.
by ksjhwk on Jan 8, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well
This seems to be “coincidental” since the 45% buyout of the dolphins by his buddy has been put on hold.
"In the NFL, coaching has to make a difference when the games are close. The talent level across the league from team to team is too similar. Great head coaches do their best work in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line. Instead, we’ve seen Herm blow timeouts, put the game in the hands of the league’s worst defense, and most recently, run Larry Johnson behind Wade Smith and Adrian Jones as if they were Tim Grunhard and Will Shields in their prime.
Dr. Frankenstein is gone, but his monster is still roaming the sideline at Arrowhead Stadium." -C.E. Wendler, Warpaint Illustrated
by IISaiNtII on Jan 8, 2009 11:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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