Dorsey was expected to be a play-making force for Kansas City this season, but the No. 5 overall pick barely registered on the impact radar screen. His season totals of one sack, one forced fumble, and one pass defensed used to be a good quarter for him at LSU. What happened to all that explosiveness that we saw from him as a Tiger?
SI.com's 2008 NFL All-Disappointment Team - Don Banks - SI.com
Hmmm. The same day we grade Dorsey a "B" in his rookie year he ends up on Don Banks' All-Disappointment Team. Gotta disagree with Banks on this one.
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I DONT
know what all these people just expect a rookie DT to come in and dominate Pro linemen if someone can name one let me know…….He did lead all rookie linemen in total tackles and made a couple plays this year, let him loose about 10-15 pounds, get conditioned for a season, and have some coaches that know how to use him and he will be a BIG playmaker!
by DT58forever on
Jan 7, 2009 2:10 PM CST
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Yep. Warren Sapp had very similar numbers to Dorsey his first year, but no one seems to remember that.
by EyePod on
Jan 7, 2009 2:27 PM CST
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Sapp...
and Haynesworth and Jamal Williams. The only recent DT’s that have had significant immediate impacts were Shaun Rogers and Kevin Williams who went freaking nuts as rookies.
Proud to be a part of the Conference of Champions and their complete bowl season domination.
by HIV 2 Elway on
Jan 7, 2009 2:35 PM CST
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And linemen don't operate in isolation
in evaluating a given one, you have to compare the rest of the line to their equivalents elsewhere.
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on
Jan 7, 2009 3:05 PM CST
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That's just the MSM
There’s a lot more to the story but these guys only scrape the surface with the non-east coast, non-competitive teams.
by primetime 07 on
Jan 7, 2009 2:11 PM CST
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Dorsey was fine
this site http://www.draft.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=238 put him ont he all rookie team. But they didn’t put Flowers in favor of Antoine Cason and Leodis McKelvin,
by SayHeyWerd on
Jan 7, 2009 2:14 PM CST
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that's retarded
Cason started 3 games, had 59 solo tackles, 7 passes defended, 2 INT’s (1 for a TD), and 1 forced fumble
Flowers started 13, had 62 solo tackles, 13 passes defended, 2 INT’s (1 for a 91yd TD) and 1 FF
by PVChiefsfan on
Jan 7, 2009 2:47 PM CST
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Maybe I'm confused
but that all-rookie list appears to have been compiled before the season started (i.e. it was a prediction list)
by stag on
Jan 7, 2009 3:06 PM CST
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that was cool
they had albert on there too!
by DT58forever on
Jan 7, 2009 2:16 PM CST
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Was it Whitlock
Who first pointed out how we were using Dorsey wrong? I have complete confidence a new coaching staff will actually use our draft picks to their best of their abilities. In hindsight I’m actually surprised they moved Hali back to LE and didn’t keep him @ RE after struggling mightly. We have perennial underachievers on this team and with a top notch coaching staff (who would be in place if a guy like Pioli signs) we can no longer excuse their production (or lack thereof) to shitty coaching. This is why I’m excited for 09’……..its the year the jury comes out on Turk, Tank, Tamba, and rest of the crew
by KansasCityShuffle on
Jan 7, 2009 2:16 PM CST
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LJ
Also got dishonorable mention on offense.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 7, 2009 2:16 PM CST
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Dorsey
I don’t understand fans who try to defend Dorsey’s performance. Lets just look at it for what it was. That might be a negative view but it was a negative season. You could say that they are using him wrong and you could say that he was being double teamed but the fact of the matter is that he did not make the impact that a number 5 draft pick should make. I’m not saying that he is a bust and that there is no way he can have a good career. I’m saying that he did not produce this season and that is the only thing that we have to judge him by.
by Big Wit on
Jan 7, 2009 2:27 PM CST
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Disagree...
I think he had a good year for a rookie on a shit line. Lets look at the last few #5 picks and see how they did:
2007 Levi Brown – hard to call here, he’s performing how you’d expect a top shelf LT
2006 AJ Hawk – turd burgler, Green Bay’s D is still crap
2005 Carnell Williams – showed flashes early
2004 Sean Taylor – Meast! RIP
2003 Terrance Newman – meh, good not great, would rather have Flowers
2002 Quentin Jammer – not as good as Cramartie who was taken later
2001 LDT – baller
2000 Jamal Lewis – balled as a rookie
Very few of the players taken at #5 have had much of an impact their first year. The only ones who really started strong are RB’s with fresh youthful legs. Its far too early to judge Dorsey (who I think will be great).
Proud to be a part of the Conference of Champions and their complete bowl season domination.
by HIV 2 Elway on
Jan 7, 2009 2:44 PM CST
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Just because his line was terrible doesn’t give him a pass. And Dorsey was much more highly touted as a defensive player then any of the people on your list. Dorsey was supposed to number 1 overall. I am not judging Dorsey as a player overall I am judging his rookie year with the chiefs. I hope he is great. And he certainly has that potential. He he just did not live up to it this season.
by Big Wit on
Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM CST
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There was way too much hype around AJ Hawk.
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by HIV 2 Elway on
Jan 7, 2009 3:44 PM CST
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I Tend To Be Skeptical Of National Pundits Writing Short Blurbs About The Chiefs
They’re the ones who kept writing off the Chiefs’ struggles as “rebuilding” after all, even though Peterson finally admitted that this season wasn’t going according to plan.
Unless the Chiefs are winning, most national outlets don’t care about what happens in Kansas City. Too much work to do analysis on a losing team in a flyover state…they’ll just accept the party line and move on to a topic more readers will care about. So I seriously doubt they pay much attention to the reasons behind Dorsey’s apparent lack of production.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on
Jan 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST
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I think
they were talking more about what they had expected from Dorsey this year compared to what he produced. They didn’t say he was terrible or the worst in the league, just more disappointing than they had expected. And they are right. Dorsey played well enough, leading rookie DTs in tackles and all that, but he wasn’t a force to be reckoned with on the field. At draft time he was billed as the greatest DT to come along in years and he wound up playing just above average, that is why he was a disappointment.
by Chiefs4Life on
Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM CST
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Yeah, But
I think that’s an unreasonable expectation for any rookie defensive lineman, and as Whitlock pointed out it’s not like the Chiefs’ defensive coaching staff had the first clue about how to use him effectively either. That was probably the biggest disappointment for me this season…Gunther Cunningham being exposed as such an incompetent defensive coordinator. I didn’t expect much from Herm after he gave Croyle the vote of confidence, but Gunther did a flat-out shitty job as the DC this year and except for losing Jared Allen most of it was entirely his fault. He should be fired for how the Chiefs used Dorsey and for his incompetence in running the linebackers.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on
Jan 7, 2009 2:37 PM CST
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I can agree
that people placed unreasonable expectations on him, but they did and that is what is being referenced with this column. I can also agree that our coaching staff did a terrible job with most of the defense. I would like to point out that a few years ago there was a person who pointed out how bad the D line coaching staff in KC was and has been and nothing has been done to correct it. That person’s name was Ryan Simms, and he might know what he was talking about.
by Chiefs4Life on
Jan 7, 2009 2:49 PM CST
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Sims
Sims was part of the problem there as well, as evidenced by his post-Chiefs playing career (utterly unimpressive).
But I agree that Gunther’s been a disappointment as the defensive coordinator since he got back. The best defense he was able to turn out was middle-of-the-pack in the NFL…and this year he had one of the worst defenses in NFL history. It would appear that Gunther’s reputation as a great DC was largely a result of having the good fortune to work for Marty Schottenheimer.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on
Jan 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST
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National Pundits
I don’t blame the National media for looking over us. There has not been much to see. And even though they might not have the insight that those of us who live here have they still have the bottom line correct. We werent very good and neither was Dorsey.
by Big Wit on
Jan 7, 2009 2:38 PM CST
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Dorsey did lead all rookie
defensive linemen in tackles. I think that stat right there excludes him from being a disappointment.
by Chris on
Jan 7, 2009 2:41 PM CST
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Not Really
None of the other rookie defensive linemen had the expectations that Dorsey did.
by primetime 07 on
Jan 7, 2009 2:43 PM CST
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He Had Less Expectations
But he had a decent rookie year.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on
Jan 7, 2009 2:52 PM CST
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Its a combination
of Gunther’s bad stategy and bad players that he had to work with. I can understand trying to put it all on the coaches because they get fired players don’t. But the linebackers that Gunther had to work with werent any good.
by Big Wit on
Jan 7, 2009 2:40 PM CST
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Part Of That
Was because Gunther ran off his leading tackler from last season, Napoleon Harris, and replaced him with Pat Thomas (who sucks).
I’m not blaming Gunther just because he’s a coach. I’m blaming Gunther because it’s largely his fault the defense was this bad. He was the one who claimed he could turn the linebacking corps around if the Chiefs let him micromanage it…and he then proceeded to turn it from a relative strength last year into one of the team’s biggest weaknesses.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on
Jan 7, 2009 2:50 PM CST
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Plus
They signed DeMorrio Williams to a big contract, so at least the linebacking corps got some attention in free agency. Gunther then gave up on Williams halfway through the season.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on
Jan 7, 2009 2:51 PM CST
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Just googling around
Looking at various sites 2008 All-Rookie teams, and there are lots of Chiefs, and Dorsey is on a lot of them.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 7, 2009 2:51 PM CST
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Looking for a National opinion about a Chiefs Rookie DT is a mistake
Simply because the Chiefs didn’t get a lot of National attention, and DT is a position you have to watch closely, and most every game to get an accuate read on.
That said, Dorsey was a disappointment this season. Period. You need to judge with your own eyes. Dorsey got zero push this year, and while I rarely agree with Whitlock, he was dead on in his assesment of his performance. Now, was he misused, well I hope so, b/c otherwise it will go down as a terrible draft pick.
I do think he can have a bright future, and hopefully a new staff will get more out of him, but if you are being honest with yourself, think back to draft day, and the excitement you had when we snagged Dorsey #5, there is no way that you pictured 1 sack, and almost NO QB pressures, and thought that you’d be giving him a B based on his ability to tackle RB’s after he’s been pushed a couple yards downfield.
Let’s hope he becomes a gap defender and not a plugger…you don’t give a guy $20 million and use the #5 pick to be a plugger, you try and find those on the street.
by kcsno56 on
Jan 7, 2009 2:59 PM CST
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I know this sounds negative
But I’m just being realistic in regards to this years performance…I haven’t given up on the kid at all. And when I hear people call him a ‘bust’ I defend him, and say its way too early. I’m hoping a new staff will get more out of him. He certainly seems to have the drive, and I think with DT’s that’s a major factor.
by kcsno56 on
Jan 7, 2009 3:01 PM CST
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I Think That's Realistic
Next year we’ll learn a lot more. For a rookie DT, I think Dorsey earned a “B” grade (because the expectations of the national media were unrealistic for a guy at that position). If he performs the same next year that would probably drop to a “D”.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on
Jan 7, 2009 3:05 PM CST
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i know
where everyone is coming from
but just keep this in mind
a. horrible coaching (can anyone think of a real dominate Dlinemen that we drafted and became a star minus Neil Smith or Jared Allen and Allen took 4 years )
b. missue of dorsey, (see above)
c. not a very good supporting cast
by DT58forever on
Jan 7, 2009 3:08 PM CST
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we’ve seen this 100 time but heres 101
Warren Sapp tackles solo ast. total FF sack
17 10 27 1 3
Albert haynesworth 21 9 30 0 1
Dorsey 32 14 46 1 1
With someone else halfway decent on the Dline and some better coaching you will start to see more from him. I was just as dissapointed but I know he’ll get better. He didnt have a horrible rookie year by far.
by DT58forever on
Jan 7, 2009 3:00 PM CST
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i know
i just wanted to compare him to some of the dominate DT’s
and if stats dont matter why are complaining about Dorseys.
He will be a better/dominating player
by DT58forever on
Jan 7, 2009 3:09 PM CST
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Because
Watching him on a consistent basis as I did, and I’m sure you did, you NEVER saw him in the backfield getting pressures or making tackles past the line of scrimmage.
Not that stats don’t matter, but DT’s can be used in lots of different ways. And the only way to evaluate them is to watch them consistently.
For instance, if Dorsey were going to be used next year, like he was this year, he needs to actually put on about 15 lbs, and we just need to be satisfied with him as a plugger and hopefully our LB’s make a lot of plays…I just don’t think thats what they had in mind when they used the #5 pick on him.
by kcsno56 on
Jan 7, 2009 3:13 PM CST
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this is the same guy...
who amazingly enough didnt have TG as his all-nfl team tight end. Dallas clark had a great season and take nothing away from him, but there should be no doubt who the best tight end in the league is right now. and therefore he lost all credibility with the rest of his picks.
as for dorsey, this is a guy who saw the 2-14 record, didnt hear dorsey’s name mentioned a lot nationally and made this pick solely off of those reasons. i dont agree at all
by KC Braves on
Jan 7, 2009 3:18 PM CST
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If King doesn't issue an appology or correction (as he has in the past)
Then my opinion of his football acumen will be severely lowered.
Thats really disappointing. TG was a monster, in many ways you could say it was his best season.
Dallas Clark is a solid player, but his season was not really in the same realm as TG’s.
Wow…
by kcsno56 on
Jan 7, 2009 3:25 PM CST
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the system
first off dorsey needs a good system and he needs people around him to make him better .I can tell you right now if we had a d end like we had with allen he would have done way better because everything would be coming to him plus he wouldent be double teamed like he is now since no one is worring about tamba . I just feel or d coaches should have done what or offense did and play to the players strengths dorsey is not a bust but he does need a better system and some guys around him to make him stand out.
by sexassassin on
Jan 7, 2009 6:10 PM CST
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swagger
I also noticed his confidence on the field it seemed like dorsey was a little overwhelmed at times when you see some of his college games he seemed like he was having fun shaking the head dancing I seen a glimpse of it this season but not enough. I hope next season he brings his swagger and confidence back and also becomes a leader this team needs a leader in the worst way we need some one to put the hand in the ground and kill . Also we need a leader someone who will draw a line and get in someones face when they make mistakes (steve young, ray lewis ,reggie white) type leadership. Lack of on the field leadership is why we had horrible 3rd quarters that would never happen over steve young, ray lewis ,reggie white dead body we need leadership.
by sexassassin on
Jan 7, 2009 6:25 PM CST
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