Is it really gonna happen?

by NakedDave on Jan 6, 2009 6:44 PM CST

The chiefs are being quiet about this one. The way the news is sounding it sounds like we are going to get the number one wanted man in football right now. I was just wondering if everyone thinks our greatest dreams are finally gonna come true with getting Pioli.

Coming from his resume he's a winner and that's what we need around here. So I really hope we get this guy. And I think we're gonna get him.

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I have lobbied for Pioli since the announcement of Carl's termination

But, the rumors of him wanting to hire Ferentz scare me. I would rather not have him as GM if he is going to hire Ferentz.

by DThomasReigns on Jan 6, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions

Lobbying?

And who are you lobbying others on this forum?

by Aejfan on Jan 6, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions

what?

by DThomasReigns on Jan 6, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions

Well if he is as good as you think he is

Why are you second guessing the first decision he will make?

If he, or anyone for that matter, does become the GM, we HAVE to give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he’s doing until he proves otherwise. If he thinks Ferentz is the primiere up and coming head coach, he needs to have the opportunity without people being against him before he even gets to town like many were with Herm.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you so against Ferentz?

by ChiefDJ on Jan 6, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions

If the leaks about him wanting Ferentz as HC are true, I do second my support of him, as I initially wrote.

However, we don’t know the rumors are true.

Ferentz doesn’t have a good track record or a good reputation. He is one of Pioli’s old boys and that scares me. He is a college coach and that scares me. He hasn’t proven much with young players and that scares me.

I am not saying he has been terrible at the college level, but he hasn’t had the record or reputation to warrant the leap to the HC in the NFL that others have.

But what the hell, most of the others have failed, so the contrarian stance may be apropos.

by DThomasReigns on Jan 6, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions

Sorry..."I do second guess my support of him"

by DThomasReigns on Jan 6, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions

Totally Agree

If you want Pioli (as I do), then you have to give him the benefit of the doubt on initial coaching and personnel decisions. If Pioli thinks Ferentz is the best man for this job and the two will work great together, then he should hire him no matter what others may think.

Who thought Mike Smith or John Harbaugh would look like fantastic hires after one season?

By the way, this is my first post on this board. It looks like you guys have a great setup here, I’m glad I stumbled upon the site.

by deezle on Jan 6, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions

Welcome deezie

Although, I must note that Pioli doesn’t really have any experience hiring head coaches….

There are only so many Belichick’s out there. But that’s the big question – how will he do without him?

by Joel Thorman on Jan 6, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions

Let's not get too excited

Remember just a couple weeks ago when he and Cleveland seemed like all but a done deal?

Things change…whose Don Banks’ source that Pioli is excited about the Chiefs GM opportunity? We’ve barely confirmed the interview took place.

by Joel Thorman on Jan 6, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions

Agreed

I like Pioli’s resume, not Ferentz’.

by TXChiefan on Jan 6, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions

I can't see how it could get any worse

I’m all for a change, and I’ll be happy to let Pioli pull the strings.

With a new regime comes new hope for next season. Otherwise we’ll be debating how much like this year next year is gonna look.

I’ll be waiting patiently for an announcement. I just hope I don’t have to wait too long.

by Ochophosphate on Jan 6, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions

You are a much stronger man than I

I’ve had to piss for an hour, but keep sitting here hoping I’ll see the breaking news that the deal is done and the new coaching staff announced!

I know, I’m dreaming.

by TXChiefan on Jan 6, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions

ha!

awesome

I’ve actually been checking a lot more today than I have in days past… hoping to find some news. I’m like a kid waiting for Santa… looking out the windows hoping to catch a glimpse.

by Ochophosphate on Jan 6, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions

Cross your fingers

Hope we see Pioli’s face on the front page of the Star in the morning. It will be exciting, but not any of my dreams come true! My dream comes true when Tony gets a proper retirement party!

And I was wondering the same thing primetime who’s his source????

by 8GlausISaHoss8 on Jan 6, 2009 7:02 PM CST reply actions

I don't want a retirement party for Tony

if it’s Tony Gonzalez you’re talking about.

I want a Super Bowl ring for him. He has earned it. nothing less is acceptable, but unfortunately, it isn’t very likely.

Big Bear

by bigbearomaha on Jan 6, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions

Thats what

I was talking about bigbear, i want a ring for TG, that’s the least he deserves!!!

by 8GlausISaHoss8 on Jan 7, 2009 6:41 AM CST up reply actions

As a Chiefs fan

I have learned not to get to excited, because in the end it seems to burn.

Indecision is the key to flexibility

by cmpotter on Jan 6, 2009 7:21 PM CST reply actions

I Agree

I’ve been hurt too often to trust.

by FrankPitts on Jan 6, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions

As the incomparable Eddie Money said...

Whatever will be will be

by Maddogmag on Jan 6, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions

Even if its Pioli, I don't think it will be Ferentz.

He won’t leave Iowa.

by DonnyDonovan on Jan 6, 2009 7:54 PM CST reply actions

Thoughts on Ferentz

Even though I’m getting way ahead of myself here considering we haven’t agreed to terms with Pioli and he hasn’t hired Ferentz, I think too many people are dismissing Ferentz because of the past record of coaches that have transitioned from college to the NFL.

One problem that I think many NFL teams make when evaluating coaches to make this jump is focusing too much on the coach’s win-loss record, rather than the ability to “coach up” the players he has. Guys like Butch Davis, Steve Spurrier, and Rich Brooks are great recruiters, and I think their coaching and playcalling abilities were enhanced in the eyes of outsiders because of the players they had in their system. You don’t have the luxury of out-talenting many teams in the NFL, so this type of coach gets exposed when he goes to the pros.

Conversely, a guy like Ferentz doesn’t have 4 and 5 star recruits beating down his door every year, so he has to succeed by building up the players he has and outcoaching opposing teams. In addition, Ferentz has experience as an NFL coach and he runs a legit pro offensive scheme at Iowa. I’m not at all saying he would definitely succeed as a head coach in the NFL, but in my eyes he’s the type of candidate that has the best chance.

by deezle on Jan 6, 2009 10:10 PM CST reply actions

Recruits?

Neither due Leach, Pinckle, or Mangino. They seem to do pretty wihout a lot of 4 and 5 star recruits. Why aren’t they being considered by that logic.

Indecision is the key to flexibility

by cmpotter on Jan 6, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions

Spread

Leach, Pinkel, and Mangino run pass-happy spread offenses that most believe wouldn’t work in the NFL. Ferentz runs a true pro style offense, which makes him a much better fit.

by deezle on Jan 7, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions

Except that he doesn't do great in the Big 10

So why would it e different in the NFL

Indecision is the key to flexibility

by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions

Um, yes he does.

With the worst recruiting base in the Big Ten he won two titles (02 and 04), was one overtime loss and one recovered onside kick away from a third (05), and was a pair of 3-point losses away from a fourth (this year). He’s gone 5-3 or better in conference play five times in seven years, and been to 7 bowl games in 8 years.

Yes, he had a couple of down seasons in 06 and 07, but, to say Ferentz doesn’t do great in the Big Ten given where he coaches is just plain wrong.

by DonnyDonovan on Jan 7, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions

Are we going off recent success or past?

He finished first in 02 and 04. The last three seasons he was 4th, 5th, and 8th. Sorry, that isn’t great. It is average. He may be good by some standards, but if you are taking a college coach, you want someone who is great. His career at Iowa is 70-53. Some would say that is great I guess. Then factor in he is 43-37 in conference. That isn’t great in a conference that isn’t that good top to bottom.

If you want to say he was a few plays here and there from doing better. Hell the Chiefs were a few plays from winning this division and they suck. A lot of teams are a few plays from doing better.

Indecision is the key to flexibility

by cmpotter on Jan 7, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions

It really doesn't matter

Ferentz isn’t leaving Iowa, Pioli as GM or not. I understand the trepidation about college coaches making the jump and I understand, if you look at his record, wondering what all the fuss is about.

If you are an Iowa alum that has followed Ferentz from the day he took that job, and understand what he has done and what he is about, you feel he is a guy who would do very well in the NFL, and maybe even has a style better suited to the NFL. Like I said, it really doesn’t matter.

I am cautiously optimistic the Chiefs will hire Pioli, although I’d sure like to hear something soon. All this waiting kinda sucks.

by DonnyDonovan on Jan 7, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't get your hopes up too high

If you believe what you read Pioli wants total control. He wants Carl Peterson’s old job. President, General Manager & CEO. — Clark Hunt has already stated that he intends to seperate those jobs into 2 hires; one to run the business and one to run the football.

Personally, I’m not against Pioli taking Carl Peterson’s old job as is, but I really like Denny Thurm and I’d hate to see him go somewhere else if we hire a new ‘king’ of football in KC.

But I don’t own the team, obviously, so the real question is: Was Clark Hunt POSITIVE he was not going to hire a new ‘king’ of football in KC?

Browns Pros:
The Browns are in a position of being able to offer the ‘kings’ job.
The Browns have a potential franchise QB already on the roster.

KC has $30 million in cap space available, and even more if you remove LJ and Surtains $6 millon dollar a piece contracts.
KC has not traded away 1/2 of this seasons draft picks already.
KC has a plutheria of young talent ready to be molded into NFL players.
KC will have a newly renovated facility to play in.

To a potential new GM, who tends to really focus on player accusitions KC is in a much better position to make a success out of a new GM. The expectations are low, the cap space is there, and the draft picks are available; BUT we must assume that Thurm (or someone else) will be negotiating the contracts after Pioli does the scouting, picks the players, hires/fires coaches, releases/trades players etc…

Will Pioli be willing to give up the demands for total control of the organization so that he can secure a GM job with a better working situation?
Or does he demand total control without question?
Or does he decide neither the Chiefs or the Browns are really offering him the ‘full package’ that he’s looking for and just stay where he’s at with the Patriots?

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Jan 6, 2009 11:33 PM CST reply actions

Pioli won't be going to the Browns

The Cleveland Plain Dealer has said:

Lerner has been convinced that the Browns needed an experienced head coach, one capable of learning from his failures in his first job. Mangini is a grinder who works his players hard and Lerner felt that type of coach definitely was needed.

Mangini’s personal choice to take over as Browns general manager is George Kokinis, the Baltimore Ravens’ pro personnel director. They are good friends since their original days in entry-level positions with the Bill Belichick Browns of the early 1990s.

That’s right, Mangini will dictate who the new Browns GM will be.

Pioli will have nothing to do with that what so ever. He wants to be able to chose his HC, not the other way around. Not only that Pioli may not want to be any where near Mangini after the spygate incident.

Having said that people are always quoting that about Pioli, but no one that I have seen so far has stated that Pioli knowing that Clark Hunt had made it clear that the positions will be divided still accepted an interview with Clark Hunt. Why is that? Why would Pioli accept an interview with Clark knowing full well that he wasn’t going to get the GM / President positions?

I’m also beginning to believe that the “wants to control all aspects” thing being reported was planted in the press to scare other teams, namely the Chiefs away from Pioli.

It sure wasn’t because Clark thought “Well I got to look like I’m doing something so I’ll go talk to Scott”. Don’t underestimate Clark Hunt, he seems to be one smart cookie.

by oldchiefsfan on Jan 7, 2009 12:27 AM CST reply actions