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Which Head Coach Would Scott Pioli Bring with Him to the Chiefs?

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Remember that Scott Pioli is reportedly interviewing with the Chiefs today...

As the momentum shifts from the Cleveland Browns to the Kansas City Chiefs in the race to hire New England Patriots Vice President of Personnel Scott Pioli, let's take a look at one of Pioli's perceived demands- his pick of the team's head coach.

Those "league sources" are at it again with this one. According to those sources, if Scott Pioli does indeed accept a front office position with a team, he would reportedly want either Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz or Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels to accompany him as the head coach.

Pioli has this luxury. He doesn't have to leave New England and he has virtually all of the leverage in any negotiations. Money, control...it's all his for the taking should he choose to accept a position somewhere else.

So...Kirk Ferentz or Josh McDaniels? Let's learn more about who could quite easily be the Kansas City Chiefs head coach in 2009.

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Kirk Ferentz

What's the connection between Scott Pioli and Kirk Ferentz?

Ferentz and Pioli both worked under Browns headh coach Bill Belichick in the mid 1990s. Ferentz was the offensive line coach there from 1993 to 1995 while Scott Pioli was a scout for the Browns.

Both men moved with the franchise to Baltimore, with Pioli becoming the Ravens pro personnel coordinator and eventual director while Ferentz remained the offensive line coach.

Ferentz has been in a similar position as Pioli the last few years. Whenever head coaching vacancies have come up in the NFL, Ferentz's named has managed to get mentioned in connection, much like Pioli and any GM opening. They're both  "in waiting" for the right job it appears.

Ferentz's ten years as head coach of the Iowa Hawkeyes looks like a bell curve. Ferentz had a couple of sub .500 seasons when he started; took the Hawkeyes to some big bowls in the early 2000s; and now has dropped to the lower reaches of the Big 10 conference.

It's appropriate Ferentz is a college coach because we've got a college team in Kansas City right now.

What makes Ferentz one of Pioli's top choices for head coach? Like I  mentioned above, the two have worked together before and Ferentz's son Brian worked in the Patriots personnel department this past season. As we've seen before, filling these vacancies often comes down to who you know.

Since workplace nepotism can't be the only reason to hire Ferentz (Right?), what are his football accomplishments?

We'll stick with the last ten years at Iowa for now. You take a look at Iowa's win/loss record over the last ten  years and it's not blowing me away. The Hawkeyes are 28-22 in their last four seasons and finished no better than tied for third in the Big 10 during that time.

But...

Ferentz is coaching in a conference that is stacked almost totally against Iowa. Ohio St. Michigan and Penn. St. are recruiting the same players as Iowa. For Ferentz to accomplish even the little he has at Iowa, I consider that a big victory.

Kirk Ferentz is an interesting pick as an NFL head coach and if Scott Pioli does bring him in, I'm willing to trust the talent guru Pioli.

More to read on Ferentz:

Kirk Ferentz Is Just Plain Ornery

NFL talk follows Ferentz

Josh McDaniels

The McDaniels-Pioli link is much easier to explain than the Ferentz link. McDaniels is the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the New England Patriots. He came to New England in 2001 as a scout; moved to defensive assistant; then to QB coach; and now he is the OC and the QB coach.

I won't spend much time touting McDaniels' accomplishments. You'd have to be completely new to the NFL right now to have missed the offensive accomplishments of the Patriots and QB Tom Brady.

McDaniels not only has great talent in New England, he's also had to work a high number of free agents into the offense and has done it well. Think about the Patriots and their ability to maximize the offensive impact of has-beens, throwaways and over the hill veterans. Then think of Josh McDaniels. That's his work. To me, that expresses intelligence, the ability to be flexible and game plan for opponents. Not things our current coaching staff is known for.

McDaniels is experienced with a winning team and a winning culture; knows Scott Pioli well and has worked with him for a long time; has been continually touted for the last few years as the next up and coming head coach in the NFL; and has worked with both offense and defense in his career.

McDaniels would be a great replacement to Herm Edwards if Scott Pioli is hired by the Kansas City Chiefs.

More on McDaniels:

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Who is Josh McDaniels?

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I am an Iowa alum and a Chiefs fan.

So seeing my favorite college coach jump ship to my favorite pro team would involve some mixed emotions.

You summarize KF’s Iowa career fairly well, although to say Iowa has dropped to the “lower reaches” of the Big 10 conference is unfair. Iowa finished with a 5-3 B10 record this year, tying for 3rd, and lost their three conference games by a combined 11 points. The upset win over #3 Penn State was for the ages. After having two years marred by attrition, off the field issues and maddeningly inconsistent play, KF very much righted the ship this year and has Iowa poised to again make a run at the nation’’s elite. He has had a Big Ten record of .500 or better 7 times in the last 8 years, and won 5 or more conference games 5 times in the last 7. He is a consistent winner at a place with no recruiting base.

Ferentz’s NFL appeal, in addition to his past experience in the league, is his professionalism and demeanor. The guy is as steady and even-keeled as they come. He’s neither a “players coach” nor a Tom Coughlin. He splits the middle. He runs a pro-style offense (no spread like 80% of college teams, kiss the Arrowspread goodbye), likes to utilize the tight end and runs with zone blocking schemes (think Denver) and prefers a defensive scheme focused on discipline and gap control, stopping the run, and preventing the big play in the passing game. KC might still be susceptible to short passes, but the days of being fooled by reverses and bootlegs should end.

He is friendly, approachable, and a good family man. He’s in his early 50s and will be around for 10 years if he succeeds. Press conferences will be neither strangly embarrassing nor particularly revealing. He has ties throghout all levels of football and should be able to put together a top-notch staff. The best word I can use to describe Kirk Ferentz is class.

Having said that, he has been out of the NFL for a decade. He has repeatedly expressed his love for Iowa City, where he has a son on the team and another kid in high school, and I’m not sure he’d take the job if offered. If he did though, I think KC would be getting a great, great coach.

by DonnyDonovan on Jan 5, 2009 8:45 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info

Straight from an Iowa guy…perfect.

by Chris on Jan 5, 2009 8:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, excellent info

Thanks Donny! I like the zone blocking idea, but how far would that set us back from where we currently are?

by primetime 07 on Jan 5, 2009 8:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What style of defense does he prefer?

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 5, 2009 8:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are Ferentz's defense an aggressive blitzing type or a read and react type of system?

Also, does he play primarily in 4-3 or 3-4 defensive alignment?

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 5, 2009 8:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more...

… with Donny on this point.

I too, am an Iowa resident and Hawkeye fan and Chief’s die-hard.

I would be pretty surprised if Kirk makes the leap to the NFL.

He’s stated before that his family loves the Iowa City area and he’d prefer to stay until his kids have left school. I believe the youngest one has 3 years left.

Plus, putting my best ‘Monday Morning QB’ hat on, I don’t necessarily believe that KC is Kirk’s best fit. His best teams have had solid senior leadership supporting a talented younger group that tend to overachieve. Looking at today’s NFL, I’d say that the fit would have been better in Baltimore (a’la John Harbaugh) last year than our Chiefs this year. Kirk just doesn’t have that ‘Mad Scientist/Football genius’ demeanor, that I believe will be necessary to build our Chiefs into a contender.

MV

by mikvogel on Jan 5, 2009 8:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how about none of the above

college coaches don’t generally succeed in the NFL. I’m sure Capt. Kirk does just fine by the Hawkeyes. He should stay there.

I am not impressed with the lack of success experienced by the subordinate staff at NE once they leave Papa Bellichek.

I would look elsewhere for a coach

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Jan 5, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I took Ferentz

I was listening to espn reporters covering his bowl week they marveled at how well run and organized his practices were. I like that he has been an actual head coach and with his ties to Pioli I think they would assemble a strong staff. I like McDanils work as offensive Co and I wouldn’t be upset with him. Still former Pats coaches have fizzled away from the nest. All things equal I’d take Ferentz.

by FrankPitts on Jan 5, 2009 9:37 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did anyone catch

NFL Network’s “Top Ten College Coaches Who Shoulda Stayed in College”?

Really scared me off on college coaches. Yea, there are a few successes, but a ton of busts too. Just seems like a totally different ballgame.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jan 5, 2009 10:12 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as an iowa native.

i have mixed feelings.
1) historically, college coaches struggle comming into the nfl.
2) if he could succeed in the nfl, it night be a good thing since most of this team just came out of college so maybe he could hold their attention to the game in practices and meetings. and especially in the locker room at halftime to make adjustments and play 2 solid halfs

by chiefs8288 on Jan 5, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His defense has been a 4-3 alignment.

He’s had the same defensive coordinator, Norm Parker, his entire Iowa career. He’s more an offensive coach so I don’t know how hands on he is with his defenses.

Iowa’s defense doesn’t blitz much, plays the corners and safeties back, and focuses on sound tackling, stopping the run and not giving up the big play. It’s often described as “BBDB.” KF’s best defenses have been when he has a good DL that can occupy blockers, collapse the pocket, and free up the linebackers to make 90% of the tackles. He’s had some great ones like Chad Greenway and Abdul Hodge. It can be frustrating to watch an opposing team move the ball between the 20s, but, Iowa’s defenses have consistently ranked near the top of the Big 10. For his defense to work KC would absolutely, postively have to get WAY better at defensive end and generate a consistent pass rush. Otherwise pro offenses would pick it apart and dominate time of possession like mad.

Another factor is that there are some awesome Iowa players in the pros right now, and maybe some would relish the chance to again play for KF when they hit free agency. Bob Sanders, Dallas Clark, Nate Kaeding, Matt Roth, Eric Steinbach, Chad Greenway, Sean Considine, all these guys are Pro-bowl or near Pro-bowl level guys.

FWIW, I’m not trying to sell this, and I agree that many college coaches have had trouble making the transition. He had a couple sub-par years in 2006 and 2007, and his record in close games the last four seaons is not at all good. It’s also not coincidence, however, that Ferentz’s name comes up every year. He’s incredibly respected in the coaching fraternity.

by DonnyDonovan on Jan 5, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice ready Double D

Gonna pick your brain a little bit more about KF. KF offense is more of a pro style, how’s his play calling is it imaginative or basic? Can he mix it up kepping the opp. defense on their heels the whole day?

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 5, 2009 4:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another Iowan

Donny has it right. Ferentz is a top-notch coach and Iowa has been lucky to have him. He started with an empty cupboard and within a few years had won two conference titles, with 3 straight seasons of 10 or more wins and 3 straight top ten finishes. The program then took a dip over a couple of years due to various issues, including one highly-ranking recruiting class that bombed out, but is back on the upswing with a 9-4 record this year and a lot of young talent.

As much as I would hate for Iowa to lose Ferentz, I’d be happy to have him as the next coach of the Chiefs. He is extremely organized and does a great job of recognizing and developing talent (most of his players who have gone on to the NFL were low-ranked recruits coming out of high school and some were walk-ons). The people who have worked for him and the players who have played for him all seem to rave about the guy.

by Black and Gold on Jan 5, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the Iowa guys, ...

I don’t really watch much college, and I’m more of a Big 12 guy anyway. How does Ferentz manage a game? This seems to be the biggest adjustment most coordinators have to being an Head Coach. I have watched two of them go through it in St. Louis (Martz and Linehan), and frankly it wasn’t one of Gunther’s strong points, either.

I know college coaches haven’t had a great deal of success in the NFL, but those are primarily the guys that make their living based on their ability to recruit. I would like to see a top notch game manager, and have that person identify some intelligent, innovative coordinators for the two sides of the ball.

by etp_stl on Jan 5, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ferentz intrigues me a lot

He has long been rumored to be a future NFL coach, but besides that, if we would be happy with Pioli as GM, then we should trust his opinion for the HC. You can’t expect him to cook dinner and not shop for the groceries (yeah, I know that’s a Parcells thing). I don’t think anyone was particulary impressed with Parcells choosing Sparano last year for his HC, although he had been working in the NFL. Now he was a Coach of the Year candidate.

by TheQ on Jan 5, 2009 6:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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