Scott Pioli "Excited" about Kansas City Chiefs GM Opportunity
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 6:45 PM CST
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Here's a Sunday night treat for you. Don Banks of Sports Illustrated is reporting that Patriots VP of Player Personnel Scott Pioli is "excited" by the opportunity the Kansas City Chiefs GM opening presents.
Reading the latest tea leaves, that puts Pioli in the Chiefs' wheelhouse. League sources tell me Pioli seems excited about the opportunity in Kansas City, which he's believed to be interviewing for Monday.
With the latest news that the Browns appear willing to hire George Kokinis and Eric Mangini to fill the GM/Coach openings, this should bring some excitement to Kansas City as it appears the Chiefs are in the lead for Pioli's services.
Clark Hunt's hush-hush nature regarding the Chiefs GM search caused many (of us) to speculate that he's getting behind the eight ball in the hiring process. However, it appears the Chiefs are still very much in play for Pioli's first GM gig.
Why Kansas City?
Banks reports that Pioli is intrigued by the plethora of young talent on the Chiefs roster including players like Branden Albert, Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr.
We've all heard that Pioli and his family have connections in Cleveland. However, his wife was born in Wichita, KS and still has family there. Banks speculates that Kansas City may be a better fit for Pioli's family.
From a lifestyle perspective, Kansas City might be a better fit for Pioli than even Cleveland.
On top of all that, if Pioli were to choose Kansas City, he'd have over $30 million in cap space to play with.
Put all of that together and Kansas City is the best GM job in the NFL right now. And Pioli is still perceived as the best GM candidate in the NFL. A match made in heaven if you ask me.
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wow this is great news!!!!!……now clark lets get him in there and get this once proud and feared franchise turned around!!!
GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by kcchiefsfan56 on Jan 4, 2009 6:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...
We will see what happens…This seems alot like Don Banks just trying to say he predicted it in case it does happen…But he says what alot of us have been saying for a while…
Also…that picture of Pioli makes his moobs look quite intimidating…He migh tbe trying too hard to imitate Parcells…
by woodman212 on Jan 4, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I truly hope this isn't just another leverage play.
I want Pioli…as long as he doesn’t hire Ferentz as HC.
by DThomasReigns on Jan 4, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
then would
josh daniels(i think thats his name) be our next head coach? or would he go for somebody like mike shanahan and daniels as OC? any any event this is exciting news
by chiefs8288 on Jan 4, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
But Clark made it clear that he’ll hire the GM then the rest is pretty much up to the GM.
Josh McDaniels and Kirk Ferentz from Iowa are the names I’m hearing being linked to Pioli.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know ive heard that
shanahan would like to some to KC so
GM- Pioli
HC- Shanahan
OC- McDaniels
DC- TBD
that would be one hell or an orginazation
by chiefs8288 on Jan 4, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it
The Broncos still own his rights and the owner Pat Bowlen specifically said he would support Shanahan going to any team EXCEPT Kansas City.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...?
I didn’t know you could restrict anything after you fire a man in the NFL…
by woodman212 on Jan 4, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I may be wrong actually
I realized that right after I posted it. The Broncos are still paying him for the next 3 years which is where I got confused. I’m thinking of players that retire, not coaches.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhhhh
understandable….Interesting thing about the Broncos paying him as Florio pointed out the other day, if a team hires him for less than 7 million a year they have to pay the rest (it is offset by the new team, basically) and so he could take a job for less money in the first 3 years of the contract, knowing he would be guaranteed 7 million, it just wouldnt be all coming from his new organization…
by woodman212 on Jan 4, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bowlen is only on the hook for Shanny's salary for the remainder of his contract, since he fired him.
Anything Shanny makes from a new coaching job will be deducted from the amount per annum Bowlen owes Shanny.
He has no control over Shanny’s rights. He would if Shanny retired/resigned.
by DThomasReigns on Jan 4, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats funny!!
We may be "playing to win the game", but it seems like we're coaching to lose.
'09, a new era begins.
For the land of the free and the home of the CHIEFS!
by ROC 27 on Jan 4, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok so i cud be wrong
thanks for telling me i didnt hear that
by chiefs8288 on Jan 4, 2009 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is HUGE!
We may be "playing to win the game", but it seems like we're coaching to lose.
'09, a new era begins.
For the land of the free and the home of the CHIEFS!
by ROC 27 on Jan 4, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ha, Primetime..
You changed the pic…I liked the Moob shot!….come on
by woodman212 on Jan 4, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Figured him smiling was more appropriate :)
And that first one scared the hell out of me.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like a white "Big Momma"
….Big Momma’s House….hahah
by woodman212 on Jan 4, 2009 7:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sweeeet!
Wouldn’t it be a kick in the head if things broke for KC for a change…and this is why I scan this page more than the Star because I don’t know what they’re reporters are getting paid for. I want news and if not that give me conjecture or innuendo :)
by FrankPitts on Jan 4, 2009 7:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a gut feeling
Pioli and Josh McDaniels will be coming here, and possibly even Matt Cassel as well.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jan 4, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Franchised with the intention to trade...
…That’s how the news is out, in fact…Mike Lombardi originally reported they would Franchise him to gain compensation for him…That’s still surely the case…They cannot have 30 million of cap space tied up in two players of the same position…
by woodman212 on Jan 4, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be interesting
I’d imagine the move has something to do with Brady’s knee…maybe buying them time while they find out about Brady.
And, Peyton’s cap # is over $20 million…
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, insane...
they may rework his deal…but who knows…
by woodman212 on Jan 4, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They can't re-work it until a new CBA is in place
By re-work I’m assuming you mean push money to the future.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea....
ooOOOOooo that is interesting…
I dont want an uncapped year, personally….
by woodman212 on Jan 4, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think any midwest team
Outside of Dallas does.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the cap goes up to 136Mil. next year
That still leaves plenty of space fort he rest of the team. People forget that the cap space is increasing.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 5, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tempering my excitement, but ...
this sounds pretty good. The Patriots have been a premier franchise due to the operation of the entire organization. Their ability to fill holes while sticking to their plan is envied by any football fan of any other team. He won’t have the same coach, but it sure would be nice to see the Chiefs run with a sincerity to win a championship.
by etp_stl on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This would be a major coup for Clark Hunt if this happened
Making his first major hier as owner of the franchise be bringing home the premiere GM candidate of the last couple of years would be making a huge statment to players and coaches around the league that this isn’t the same old Kansas City anymore.
by ChiefDJ on Jan 4, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He made a ballsy move firing Carl (even though it was warranted) after having been in charge for a couple years. This is his moment to make an outstanding decision.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome news. Just awesome. It really sucked having Chris Mortenson talk about all these moves including GMs and HCs and they would just say the chiefs at then end of sentences. I guess Clark does do a good job keeping things secret.
by NakedDave on Jan 4, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is terrible news
I don’t want the New England jerk running KC no matter how much the team he comes from wins. And as far as Cassel goes words is he will franchised.
by DLChiefs on Jan 4, 2009 8:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Any reason why?
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Jan 4, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the guy is a jerk
And we are built into a perennial playoff contender. I’d be happy to root for that jerk.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see some evidence of him being a jerk.
If the Royals signed Cashman, I don’t think people would be bitching. I don’t get it. I agree with Prime on rooting for a jerk if we are winning. Afterall we were rooting for a jerk for 20 years why change now.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 4, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got anyone better?
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 4, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The other things we have going for us...
…is that we have a fairly new owner with perhaps a bit less ego than some of the other tenured owners. Word is the Browns were turned off by Pioli’s desire for so much control. I guess the Browns front office feels like their track record speaks for itself??? Oh well, it’s their money so they can consider themselves football geniuses if they want. So to recap, aguy like Pioli should look at the Chiefs and see a team that
A) Has alot of young talent but isn’t necessarily married to any single player (great for a personnel guy)
B) Has cap room
C) Has a Fairly new energetic owner willing to put his trust in the new GM
D) Should have a head coach opening soon and some marquis coaches without jobs
E) Plays in a city that supports it’s team with a college-like fervor
F) Already has pretty good trading chips in LJ and a high draft pick (if necessary)
E) Is located in a city near some family ties…good to hear his wife has family in Wichita
F) Despite it’s recent woes is a storied franchise going back to the start of the league
Did I miss anything?
GO CHIEFS!!!!
by Mclovin1 on Jan 4, 2009 8:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh and if he needs advice
He can pick up the phone and call his father-in-law……….Bill Parcells.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 4, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells
Haven’t I been hearing that Parcells could be wanting out of Miami? Wouldn’t that mean if Pioli has obvious ties to him that he may consider being HC in KC? Just a thought.
by NorthwestChief on Jan 4, 2009 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Parcells is staying in Miami
It was announced today
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 4, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like things are in motion, good deal.
I think we wind up with McDaniels as HC, Crennel as defensive coordinatoor. I like the idea of an offensive minded HC with a proven DC who has a superbowl ring. Already excited for next season, heres to scoring more than 15 points a game!!!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 4, 2009 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crennel is supposedly staying in Cleveland to be DC there
Supposedly
by ChiefDJ on Jan 4, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh, but he also said
it is up to Scott. Just speculation on my part, but did he, and Scott somehow tie themselves together, with Scott knowing full well he was going to be a GM somewhere?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 4, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That all depends on if the new HC wants to keep him there.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 4, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes yes!
Right here and now! Wolf!
by Ochophosphate on Jan 5, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would take Crennel as DC here.
I do not think our defense this year is all on Gun, but it is time for change across the board.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
by Eric Allen on Jan 4, 2009 9:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What happened?
Woah, I was reading this thread, and I thought I read that Pioli was actually interested in the GM gig. Then my head became all fuzzy, and then I remember the floor rushing up to meet me.
I wonder what this thread actually says?
/reads
*THUMP.
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by Ridiculous Matt on Jan 4, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If I was Pioli
and hypothetically came to the Chiefs (which I don’t believe he is), why would you waste the money on Cassel? Why with our young talent and great draft picks would you want to recreate the Patriots when you have the tools at your disposal to create your own? I guess I can understand if he brings McDaniels in and they’re looking to install their system, but Matt Cassel was never a great QB prospect and is New England’s version of Thigpen. I’m not stating Matt isn’t a good quarterback, its just he’s had the luxury of being developed by the best organization in football. His salary won’t be worth it especially when we’re in good sitting to draft and develop our very own franchise QB who’s gonna be a better prospect than Cassel.
I’m just all together weary of huge contracts really…
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 5, 2009 1:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
New England is smart for putting the franchise tag on Cassel. They know he’s a hot item right now and some team may be sucker enough to give away a #1 pick for him. Got to hand it to NE they know how to play the game.
In order to sign Cassel a team must be willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for him, but most likely will trade Cassel for the bargain price of just a number one, and make the SUCKER team feel like they just walked off with a deal. A 1st round draft choice for a pernnial backup who had ONE good year? Yeah right!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 5, 2009 1:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction on the compensation package that has to be paid to NE if you sign Cassel after a franchis tag.
Compensation for Cassel is not 1st and 3rd, but rather two number ones!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 5, 2009 6:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO ONE
Is giving up 2 1st round picks for Cassel, and DEFINETLY not the Chiefs who have the #3 pick and likely a decent 1st round pick next year.
Possibly, after the draft, some team will trade 2010’s #1 pick for him, and the Pats may well do that if it looks like Brady is improving on his recovery.
The Pats are ‘playing the game’ astutely as always…all the more reason Clark needs to make Pioli an offer he can’t refuse.
by kcsno56 on Jan 5, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel's Definitely Not Worth It
And all aPacificChief was saying is that two first-rounders are the default rate for a franchised guy if the team that wants to sign him doesn’t work out a trade first. The actual trade would probably be more like a 1st and a 3rd (or in Cassel’s case possibly a 1st and a 2nd, since he is a QB and had a very impressive year). Still not worth it to us considering the holes this team has…we’re better off sticking with Thigpen and/or signing a 2nd tier free agent QB to fill in (Losman wasn’t good this year, but he’s been solid in most other years and will likely be fairly cheap this offseason) while drafting a QB on the first day to be a developmental project (I still think Graham Harrell is a great selection).
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 5, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If someone makes that trade they will
be married to Cassel. I can’t see anyone making that trade. I also think this could be some posturing by the Pats.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 5, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Not Really So Certain About That
Brady had a pretty catastrophic knee injury and if the reports of him being set back are true (which they may or may not be) then the Pats might want to keep Cassel as a contingency plan until they know Brady’s 2009 status for certain. Under the franchise tag all they’d have to give him is a one year contract (albeit one that will be very pricy given it’ll be an average of the salary of the top five QBs in the league) and they’ll have a couple more months to figure out Brady’s status for next year…after that they can trade him off to someone else. And if some other team desperately wants him before they figure out what’s up with Brady they can get some nice picks to rebuild with.
Franchising Cassel is just the smart move by the Pats from a personnel perspective…I doubt that it’s posturing unless signing Cassel to that one year contract would completely screw their cap up.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 5, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It won't
I doubt that it’s posturing unless signing Cassel to that one year contract would completely screw their cap up.
The reports this weekend were that keeping both QB’s would set them back $30Million. Considering that the cap will be at $136Mil. next year, the general consensus is that they’ll have plenty of money for the rest of the team…$106Mil.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 5, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...and one more thing
2010…cap free year and it looks like arbitration after that.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 5, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That 2010 season is looking verrrrrry interesting the closer we get.
I’m sure that the NFL owners will try and impose their own type of salary cap (which they should have the right to do) but if baseball is any indication that’s not going to do a damned thing to keep costs down and control contracts. The smart teams are still going to pay players based on what they’ll produce in the future rather than what they’ve produced in the past and owners’ desire to create a product that the teams’ fans are going to want to see (and to field competitive squads) is going to undermine owner solidarity on maintaining limits on costs.
Do you seriously believe that if Jerry Jones sees a shot at grabbing a title by outbidding his competitors for talent that he’s not going to screw over the other NFL owners to make that happen, even if it drives up costs for everyone else? Hell no…he won’t be able to help himself. Guys who build billion+ dollar stadiums don’t have the ego that allows them to be frugal penny-pinchers…especially in Texas. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 5, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Guys Who I Think Are Really Going To Get Screwed
Are the retired players, who’ll see a decreased slice of the revenue pie since the NFLPA’s responsibility is and always will be to see to the interests of the active players first.\
And that’s not really a bad thing either…after all, it’s legacy costs to retired workers that are a large part of why GM, Chrysler and Ford are in such a mess.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 5, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you seriously believe that if Jerry Jones sees a shot at grabbing a title by outbidding his competitors for talent that he’s not going to screw over the other NFL owners to make that happen, even if it drives up costs for everyone else?
Jerry? He does what’s best for the league. It’s about the league and not about his team winning champioships. He’s loyal to his coaches and is interested in leaving a positive legacy for all the owners. He’s also investing in some oceanfront property in Arizona for his players to go once they retire ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 5, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry does what for the league? Are we talking Jones?
The dude is a selfish prick who cares only about himself. The guy complained about the revenue sharing when the Cowboys were on top of the world with their Championship runs.
I have a nephew who worked for Footlocker, and he notice that on all the licensed NFL apparel all 31 teams were all priced at the same wholesale cost, except DALLAS who had an extra $1 put on all Cowboys merchandise.
If given the chance Jones will screw the league as long as he can benefit from it.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Dude
Re-read the last line of my post. Now get a map or Arizona. Next look for the ocean that borders Arizona.
Now you understand the gist of my post.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 5, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm..Gotcha ;)
The guy is just a real straight rat face prick.
That’s an excellent idea of JJ buying beach front property for his former players in Arizona. Now the Cowboy players only have to wait for Nostrodamus’ prediction that Califonia will fall off with a great quake to take advantage of that beach side property.
What’s next maybe JJ should buy Michael Jackson fairytale ranch so that he can allow the children of former players to have their own personal amusement park. :)
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 5, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As Bill Hicks Once Said
Once the big one comes he looked forward to sitting his oceanfront house overlooking beautiful Arizona Bay. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 5, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they franchise Cassel
They are stuck paying 14 mil. for one season to him. They will be paying Brady 15 mil. next year. That is a pretty expensive backup plan.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 5, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But worth it
Because if Brady is still hurt, I bet they have no problem pulling the plug on him and inserting Cassel.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 5, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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