Where We Stand: The Kansas City Chiefs Wide Receivers
by Chris Thorman on Jan 27, 2009 7:38 AM CST
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The "Where We Stand" series began about this time last year and the goal is to examine the current roster position by position before free agency and the draft kicks in. It's part looking towards the future and part looking at the past.
The Chiefs have had great QBs, running backs and wide receivers but never all three at the same time, outside of the 1969 Super Bowl winning roster. Most teams don't have all three but it sounds nice, doesn't it?
Only two recievers from last year's Where We Stand are still on the Chiefs' roster- Dwayne Bowe and Jeff Webb. Bobby Sippio, Eddie Kennison, Samie Parker and Jared Allen rounded out last year's list of WRs we reviewed.
Let's see where we stand as we head into the off season.
Dwayne Bowe
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Rec.: 86 |
There's not much you can say about Dwayne Bowe that hasn't been said already on this site. He's the real deal and another great season in 2008 dispelled any notions of him being a rookie wonder and then fizzling out. Bowe did drop 13 passes this year, good for second worst in the NFL behind Braylon Edwards (16 drops). Of course, Bowe will start next year and will continue to be the Chiefs' #1 receiver indefinitely.
Impact in 2009: Bowe is really the second receiver on the team behind TE Tony Gonzalez. As much as the Chiefs lean on TG, you'd think that there is potential for Bowe to get more looks as teams continue to put their best players on the TE. I think Bowe hovers around his 2008 numbers for most of his career.
Mark Bradley
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Rec.: 30 |
Since coming into the NFL in 2005, Bradley has never played a full NFL season. Part of this has been injuries and part has been the roster situation. I'm calling Bradley out as a faker, a reciever who never will live up to the flashes of potential we saw last year. He'll tease us now and then. Or he may not even be on the team past next year. I think his potential is that fickle.
Impact in 2009: If the guy plays for most of the season, then I think he has a lot of potential to rack up yards and catches against defenses more concerned with Dwayne Bowe and Tony Gonzalez. I'm not a believer that he will make it through the entire season.
Devard Darling
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Rec.: 17 |
People ragged on Darling's "poor" performance this year and I think that happened because people had too high of expectations for him. The former Raven reciever was only one of a few free agent picks up by the Chiefs in the 2008 off season, automatically placing an inordinate amount of attention on the guy. We were looking for a "breakout" season in '08 instead of looking at Darling for what he is- a #3/4, ~30 reception player. As we saw in the first game of the season against the Patriots, Darling doesn't have any special speed or any extroadinary attribtutes really.
Impact in 2009: Darlng may never catch more than 20 passes a year in KC. That's barely a pass a game. We won't hear his name much but I think he'll make the team.
Will Franklin
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Rec.: 7 |
I'm on the fence about Will Franklin. I know the MU Tiger fans will jump on his "potential" but the guy looked completely lost last year. I think he'll fall into the mid-round draft selection abyss and we'll rarely hear about him.
Impact in 2009: Franklin won't jump up the depth chart but will be on the team. He's more Jeff Webb right now than Mark Bradley. He may be good for ~15 catches next year.
Jeff Webb
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Rec.: 5 |
The Chiefs really need to cut their ties with Jeff Webb, especially since Herm Edwards is now gone. Webb, like Samie Parker of last year, has had his chances to show what he can do and it's obvious the Chiefs coaches haven't noticed much in him. The Chiefs would be better off switching Webb out with another low level player, just for the sake of freshness.
Impact in 2009: I think the 2009 off season is finally the time we let Jeff Webb go. He'll be one of those guys in those "batch" releases of players some time this spring.
Outlook
Like most NFL teams, the Chiefs are top heavy at reciever. We're more top heavy than a lot of teams but the fact that we have a fantastic #1 helps mask that a bit.
The Chiefs don't need another #1 receiver; just a really good #2 guy or a more productive supporting cast. I don't see the Chiefs making any runs at any free agent wide outs. We'll stick with what we've got more than likely and see how things shake out in training camp.
Does anyone aside from Jeff Webb not make the Chiefs roster in 2009?
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Why so content with just Bowe?
Listen up Chiefs fans! The Chiefs could use another threat at WR. See Arizona Cardinals. It always helps to have TWO threats. Yes TG is that second threat – but just imagine having Bowe, TG, and yet another threat. That can make a huge difference for us assuming we draft or sign the talent to beef up our O-Line. We definately need a WR we can call a #2 or co-#1.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 8:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bowe and nobody else is not quality WRs - should be corrected.
If we want to win Super Bowls.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 8:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy
This is gonna bring out all of the Michael Crabtree fans.
I’m all for finding an solid #2 receiver but I don’t think we have any business burning the third overall pick on another #1 guy. We have way to many other needs that are far more pressing. Pass! Crabtree to Seattle.
by Buck'O on Jan 27, 2009 8:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I want another “Good” to “Great” receiver also, but we need emergency help on both lines and linebacker first. I think at this point, a receiver is gravy to what our needs our.
“Where’s the beef?”
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
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by Lanier63 on Jan 27, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
our = are
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
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by Lanier63 on Jan 27, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
But picking #3 you should get a player with the talent to match the money that pick will command. In other words, “worth it”. The only players WORTH a #3 in my opinion and affecting this team in a decidedly positive fashion it will be (low-risk, high-reward) – a) Aaron Curry b) Offensive Lineman c) Crabtree. Look – every player is only one player a.k.a. only one piece of the puzzle. Those of you who say a killer WR core being like buying the best ammunition but no gun is no different then drafting a QB and saying it’s buying the engine with no wheels (o-line). By the way you are also implying that Thigpen isn’t the answer. I say its too early either way and some competition would be important for next season. O-Line definately needs upgrading. You do that and I say we give Thigpin every chance to succeed and that he is capable. Our offense scored enought points to win so-to-speak it was just that our defense was awful.
That’s why I say take CURRY #3. Or an O-Lineman. If the OL guy is gone before we pick then you go with Crabtree and still make efforts to draft or sign FA lineman.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Take BPA
but with a team that has so many glaring needs id rather pass on Crabtree.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again..
I see what you mean but if the OL we target and Curry are gone.. you take him!
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To further clarify
This is ALL assuming that Pioli determines Stafford and Sanchez are not the answer for whatever reason.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
And I also wanted to say that of course defense is in the most need of an upgrade but we all should agree that a DE at #3 is not worth it. There is only one LB. That guy is Curry. OL #1, Curry #2 -then at #3 Chiefs should nab Crabtree. Remember only one pick and player and need at a time – and with that understanding KNOWING that you are upgrading our receiving threats to have Bowe, Crabtree, and Gonzo you are using that #3 pick wisely in my opinion because you know what you are getting. Mis-matches galore and a certain Chan Gailey that can take advantage. Am I saying Crabtree is the first choice? NO! But at the same time I’m not so ignorant that we ignore Crabtree at all costs and simply “Pass!” because I’m a retard like some others.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt
go so far as to saying people are retards because they don’t want Crabtree. The guy is a super talent for sure. Can he stay healthy? Thats a big concern for me. Whatever Pioli and his staff decide is what im going to have to be happy with. But id like to see Curry, OT, Stafford. Those would be my top 3.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stafford
You aren’t just saying Stafford because you Googled the YouTube of Stafford’s highlights did you? Hmmm?? Guy’s got a cannon but there are plenty of legit concerns about him. More questions than, say, Crabtree. I am un-sure of Stafford and I’ll just put my faith in Pioli when it comes to the QB or any other pick for that matter. We both would agree on that.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched
Stafford play several games this year. He forces throws at times, but what young QB doesnt? i also watched Crabtree quite a bit and he was always limping off the field.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If
Pioli can sign a top tier DE, a solid LB or two, and some good OL help in FA then i would not be opposed to takin Crabtree at all with the 3rd and then another OL or LB in the 2nd.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
but that’s looking like it’s going to be pretty tough to pull off
by Buck'O on Jan 27, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't wanna give
these crabtree fans too much hope. ya know! Lol
by Buck'O on Jan 27, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curry
or best OT on the board followed in a distant third by Stafford should be our pick.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with order of need
and I think of the three you listed, we will get only one of them with our #1 pick at #3. I’d expect us to get the #1 or #2 OLineman, or Curry, or Crabtree, who will go at the #4 pick if we don’t select him.
Most glaring need and most value, will be the Best OLineman Available for our first pick. Hopefully we will trade a couple of our players for a decent additional pick.
by TXChiefan on Jan 27, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really the best value
The only OL worth top 5 pick money is an LT, and we already have one. I’m all for upgrading our line, but paying an RT our interior lineman top 5 money without a long resume including 9 Pro Bowls is a stretch. I guess we could go LT and move Albert to guard, but he has done a fine job at LT.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 27, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know the odds...
But I get the impression that IDing a OL guy is easier, with better odds of success than grabbing a QB. I’d rather pick aRT whose “actual value” is an early 2nd, than to get a QB who’s a nother JaMarcus Russell, or David Carr.
Not my first preference, but considering where we are right now, I’d rather focus on drafting players who can start next season on their ability, and not because “You can’t let a #3 QB ride the pine, because you have too much money tied up in him for that.” I remember the last time we were stuck with that: Elvis Grbac. The “logic” was that we had to play Grbac, even though Gannon looked better, because we “had” to put the money on the field. Ergo, a QB at #3 is a /total commitment/, and if he doesn’t shine next season, then next season’s wasted even more than if TT doesn’t improve much with better coaching, more line & run help, and a better D.
Thiggy ain’t proven that he’s the equivalent of Rich Gannon (at that point of RG’s career), but there’s a better risk-to-reward for QBs by grabbing up competition for TT later, or in FA, IMO.
Or is the ’10 draft looking to be even shallower at QB than this year?
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will win more next season.
QBs drafted in the top 5, back to 2001:
Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Ryan. How many were worth that high a pick? You decide.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 27, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
tell me again why keeping Jeff Webb over Bobby Sippio was a good idea?
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by Lanier63 on Jan 27, 2009 8:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
because it got us
that much closer to the salary cap. We don’t want our payroll to like like we only have half a team do we?
by Buck'O on Jan 27, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be "look like"
it’s really early on the west coast. sorry.
by Buck'O on Jan 27, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you were trying to say, I am slow :)
Chiefs 2008 salaries:
Jeffrey Webb (WR) $473,740
Bobby Sippio (WR) $376,240
http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Kansas-City-Chiefs-Salaries
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by Lanier63 on Jan 27, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because
he actually caught the ball in a game and wasnt slow
by DT58forever on Jan 27, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Franklin becomes
more of an impact player than Bradley. Can we get Charlie Joiner back as wide receivers coach? Why did Herm get rid of him anyway? We never had spectacular wide outs, but Trents numbers said we did.
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by Eric Allen on Jan 27, 2009 8:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for that
I didn’t understand why Franklin vanished as soon as the regular season started. They were so high on him early on and then they never gave him a chance.
by Buck'O on Jan 27, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard that he has a learning disability
So completely revamping the playbook was probably really hard on him
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Jan 27, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt Pioli
say we wanted smart players?
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did you hear that
from the janitor who cleans the lockers rooms cousin who sits next to the cheerleaders mom at home games…..
by DT58forever on Jan 27, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was injured
for the first part of the season and didn’t have the chance to build confidence with the QBs. by the time he could play, we brought in Bradley, who just outplayed him.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 27, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Selecting Crabtree at #3 is like buying 1000 round of 45 ACP, but don't have a Gun!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 27, 2009 8:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or, like buying 1000 rounds of Colt45 without a bartender to serve it.
by Keyser Sose on Jan 27, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid logic there..
You can make an analogy about ANY position as ONE position does not solve all the rest. You need ALL the pieces. Upgrade QB, WR, O-Line – we need ‘em all. Our WR corps consists of Bowe and…. yeah zip it. The best any of the others can hope for is a nice #3 back-up – any least for the near future. Put in another threat outside to go with Bowe and TG then you have Gailey’s offense cashing in points. You all say we “don’t have a Gun” but we put up enough points to win a lot of games (if your D gives up 100 points a game then you never score enough – I know) – it’s our defense that really sucked.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thigpin
You giving up on him already?
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is blocking?
It has already been seen in KC, you can put up alot of points with a dominant o-line. What good is it to have a bunch od stud receivers, if the o-line cannot hold off the rush long enough for them to get open. You build from the lines back, offense, and defense.
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by Eric Allen on Jan 27, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
You can still take Crabtree and adhere to that philosophy at the same time (assuming Curry is gone.. hehe)
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No no ... not yet
Nope, not givin up on the Thigpen …. I didn’t mean that. I just mean that if your QB is getting crushed by an onslaught of defenders pouring through the O-line that it makes it very very hard to get the ball to the WRs. I LOVE the thought of having Crabtree on the other side of Bowe, but if our QB doesn’t have time to get the ball out to them, it doesn’t matter. Take a look at Kurt Warner in the last few games – the guy hits his great WRs because he frequently has all day to throw.
by Keyser Sose on Jan 27, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I totally agree
Remember I am the one who is saying Curry first then O-Line and if either is gone before we pick or we have the position filled via FA then you take Crabtree and run with it. Man, I really want Curry dude.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coach Haley
can simply bring Kurt Warner with him. And, so, why not just bring his other buddy Boldin as well!
meat
by kabrink on Jan 27, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that Crabtree will be the BPA at #3
but if Pioli, the HC, and the scouts think he is, we will draft him…you don’t spend the #3 pick in the draft on a “need”. You spend it on the best damn football player you can get
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 27, 2009 9:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree
What we do at #3 depends on FA’s signed and IF we could trade down from three. If we can’t , and that is a distinct possibility, shouldn’t we take the BPA? Even if it’s Crabtree? I think taking a WR at #3 is a bit high for the position but , the truth is we do not have a legitimate #2 IMHO. Having another WR that can get open also helps the O line and QB a lot!
by dklogue1 on Jan 27, 2009 9:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, BPA
But isn’t the BPA at #3 really going to be O-line? It’s not sexy, but O-line is more of a sure thing, and potentially a better long-term investment than any other position. You HAVE to get the BPA when you’re picking that high and spending that much money.
by Keyser Sose on Jan 27, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
BPA
Is Oline, a guard , center,or even a right tackle a reach at #3 even more than a WR!
by dklogue1 on Jan 27, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Whole bunch of WR
With nothing else, see Detroit Lions.
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by Eric Allen on Jan 27, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See: Detroit Lions
OT at #3 is usually a high hit rate, especially compared to WR. The failure rate for WRs drafted in the top 5 is relatively high …. they don’t necessarily ‘fail’ at WR per se, but they don’t live up to their hype and the amount of money that they make. I’m not saying Crabtree will fail, I’m just sayin, the hit rate for OT in the top 5 is very very high.
by Keyser Sose on Jan 27, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
forget hit rate
This is Crabtree we are talking about. With the success of Fitz in the NFL you grab those of his size and hands. First, you take Curry. If not, and we miss the top OL guy or fill need in FA – then you take Fitzger.. err Crabtree. It will pay off. Three threats = you can’t fail .. OK I’ll say it.. WE WILL SCORE A TON OF POINTS EVEN WITH THE EXACT SAME OFFENSIVE LINE AND QB AS LAST YEAR. In the spread era – our offensive did fairly well. Our defense lost the games for the most part. Add a Crabtree and boy it will make life easier on Thiggy. The O-Line got their act together. Even McIntosh was scratched off my sh-t-list. He’s not the best but he also wasn’t terrible. The only thing terrible was our friggin’ D.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't twist my words
I was only trying to prove a point that taking Crabtree will have a positive impact on our team that takes ONE pick – one decision – and brings this team one step closer to being Super. You can’t do everything at once.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree is a poor man's Calvin Johnson.
Not that that’s a bad thing, he’s just not a #3 pick overall guy.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 27, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HIV to Elway
lol – nice!
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"The only thing terrible was our friggin’ D."
So draft a WR with our #3 pick? That will surely make the D better!
by just a guy on Jan 27, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You weren't paying attention
The D definately needs the most work. The question came down to what was WORTH the #3 pick in terms of ROI. I SAID DRAFT AARON CURRY. If not avail go O-Lineman if available and if the position hasn’t been addressed via FA. If not then the next player that will contribute right away and enhance our talent level .. would be Crabtree. Read any of my previous posts and also know that you don’t spend the #3 on only defensive players just because that is the BIGGEST needs. This team has a lot of needs.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
I meant to finish that with this, we have two elite pass catchers in TG and DB. You don’t need another, you need fill in guys in the WR core. I agree that you don’t want to reach for a D guy, but I’m also not convinced that Curry is the only possible defensive player that is worth a #3 pick. IMO the only way we pick Crabtree at #3 is if we’ve picked up two good LB’s and a good DE in FA. Even then you have to look at what most improves your team, when you add an excellent WR to a solid recieving group, you get a minor improvement, when you add a good DE to a horrible D-line, you improve your team by quite a bit.
by just a guy on Jan 27, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It has already been proven in KC
With a dominant o-line, mediocre wideouts can look good, you also have a solid run game.
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by Eric Allen on Jan 27, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am sold on the new-school
philosphy which would focus on the pass opening up the run. Draws and dump offs equating to large chunks of yardage.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they do...
But Sacintosh, Adrian Jones, Rudy Niswanger, are they really going to make this happen? We went to a spread offense because of our o-line deficiency.
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by Eric Allen on Jan 27, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Sacintosh – nice.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He earnd that nickname fair, and square!:)
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by Eric Allen on Jan 27, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say try moving Waters to C
Yes! We still need upgrades there but Waters has the size and strength to hold down C in Pro-Bowl style!
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather take a true center in round 2.
Either Alex Mack or Max Unger could anchor our o-line for a decade.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 27, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree Completely
One of them will be available for our 2nd round pick, and I’ve heard that both are the best centers coming out of the draft in 10 years. A great center that can start for us and we can put Rudi back at Guard. He improved quite a bit this year and that will help us in many ways.
by TXChiefan on Jan 27, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If we can make some major moves on the defense this offseason via free agency i woulndt mind Pioli grabing top rated OT with the 3rd pick and then taking Mack or Unger in the 2nd. We need all the help we can get on the line, and just maybe Thigpen will develop if we solidy it.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
should of said top rated OT availible
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Testify!!!
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by Eric Allen on Jan 27, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind one bit
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I would post this on the current salaries
Patrick Surtain(CB) $8,380,000
Brian Waters(OL) $6,085,000
Larry Johnson(RB) $5,656,190
Tony Gonzalez(TE) $5,031,375
Donnie Edwards(LB) $4,839,572
Greg Wesley(S) $4,047,916
Napoleon Harris(LB) $3,700,000
Damion McIntosh(OL) $2,793,750
Damon Huard(QB) $2,672,906
Derrick Johnson(LB) $2,216,240
Ron Edwards(DT) $1,850,000
Tamba Hali(DE) $1,746,240
Alfonso Boone(DT) $1,734,375
Demorrio Williams(LB) $1,606,240
Devard Darling(WR) $1,333,333
Dwayne Bowe(WR) $1,276,240
Dustin Colquitt(K) $1,186,240
J.P. Darche(LB) $805,000
Bernard Pollard(S) $716,240
Jon McGraw(S) $695,000
Turk McBride(DT) $661,240
Brodie Croyle(QB) $622,906
Billy Cundiff(K) $611,240
Adrian Jones(OL) $611,240
Tank Tyler(DT) $551,240
Anthony Alabi(OL) $526,240
Jeffrey Webb(WR) $473,740
Jarrad Page(S) $463,199
Dimitri Patterson(CB) $454,990
Patrick Thomas(LB) $451,240
Oliver Hoyte(RB) $451,240
Tre Stallings(OL) $451,240
Rudy Niswanger(OL) $451,240
Nick Novak(K) $451,240
David Greene(QB) $451,240
Kolby Smith(RB) $420,531
Herbert Taylor(OL) $399,156
Tyron Brackenridge(CB) $379,740
Johnny Baldwin(LB) $376,240
Tyler Thigpen(QB) $376,240
Jackie Battle(RB) $376,240
Rashad Barksdale(CB) $376,240
Nate Harris(LB) $376,240
Travis Leffew(OL) $376,240
Tommy ‘T.J.’ Jackson(DT) $376,240
Bobby Sippio(WR) $376,240
Michael Allan(TE) $376,240
Rob Smith(OL) $370,000
Maurice Price(WR) $306,240
Chad Johnson(CB) $303,740
Mickey Pimentel(LB) $301,240
Erick Harris(CB) $301,240
Joe Lobdell(OL) $301,240
Totals $72,524,619
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
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by Lanier63 on Jan 27, 2009 9:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is the cap hit
Patrick Surtain(CB) $8,380,000
Donnie Edwards(LB) $4,839,572
Greg Wesley(S) $4,047,916
Napoleon Harris(LB) $3,700,000
Damon Huard(QB) $2,672,906
Ron Edwards(DT) $1,850,000
Devard Darling(WR) $1,333,333
If all these guys were released, it would clear up some cash for next year (2009) I’m pretty sure. Total committed salary for the 2009 season is: $51,743,750
(my source isn’t the best: http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6140)
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
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by Lanier63 on Jan 27, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That came from USA Today
USA Today publishes the salaries for all pro sports, you can google USA Today NFL salary and find it.
The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.
So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!
by IISaiNtII on Jan 27, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rotoworld is good too
Use the “player search” function.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 27, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey bro
we cut Wesley in training camp last season. So deduct 4 mill from that
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 27, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he still counts agaunst the cap
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
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by Lanier63 on Jan 27, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is really interesting info
Hey Chris,
You might want to include each player’s salary information as you continue to do these position-by-position breakdowns. Current salary numbers would add more of a value dynamic to the discussion that would be really entertaining. It would add some insight as to who on our current roster will be more likely to be considered for release based on their salary/production ratio.
Nice find Lanier!
by Buck'O on Jan 27, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No to Crabtree, stop the madness!
Crabtree will likely be great, but as many have said a second elite WR is a luxury we can’t afford. People seem to point to Arizona as an example, what they are is an example of how hard it is to keep two great WRs happy and how you can go 9-7 in the regular season. Also Boldin hasn’t been much of a factor in the playoffs, they found their running game, their young D stepped up, and Fitzgerald has been a monster, otherwise they wouldn’t be where they are. Cinci had one good year with two good WRs but that blew up with a playoff loss. What I think we’re actually closer to becoming if we get Crabtree is Detroit. They picked a couple early first round recievers and have gotten nowhere, they could have used some elite talent elsewhere. We definitely need elite talent at LB, DL, QB, and OL., and we have no leadership on D. Why on earth would we draft a WR so we can have two greats, and nothing anywhere else?
by just a guy on Jan 27, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dead on...
And with all the Mizzu and Big12 apologists on this site, you’d think people would want to see what we have in Franklin.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 27, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin creates match up problems
And this offensive is better than Detroit. NOBODY is “like” Detriot. They are in a league of their own – turd-like; forgettable. You completely dissed Thigpin with that comment and are overstating the O-Line difficulties which CAN be corrected without spending the #3 pick on a tackle. I would say a Tackle, if still available, would be a better choice over Crabtree (did you read my thoughts on him – I didn’t say Crabtree was the #1 priority).
TIME FOR A RANDOM THOUGHT:
*Take LT, move Albert to Guard, Waters at C, Niswanger RG, McIntosh RT.. ok forget it..
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Id rather
solidify the Tackles.. either move Albert to RT or or the rookie to RT, keep Waters at LG , Mack or Unger at C, and put Rudy or FA at RG… Now that would be a pretty damn good line.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't use a #3 pick on an RT
That would be overspending by a lot. And I wouldn’t move Albert to RT because he would likely have the same transition problems McIntosh had.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 27, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Y dont you?
You take the BPA. And if that happens to be a LT then so be it. Then either Albert or the rookie will play RT. We have to many holes to reach for another position of need. You take BPA.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sacintosh is a bum
Albert or any of the top 3 LT prospects are going to be much more athletic than mcintosh. Just because his worthless struggled doesnt mean a younger player with an eagerness to learn will.
by paratrooper on Jan 27, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok that settles it.
You say take a tackle if there is one available. At the third pick its almost guaranteed that an elite Tackle will be available. No more Crabtree talk. As for dissing Thigpen, I like Thigpen and hope he succeeds for us, mostly I hope he’s working the entire off-season on dropping back, and psyching himself up in the fourth quarter.
by just a guy on Jan 27, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curry
Yeah I did say O-Line but I really think Aaron Curry is worth #3 and should be our primary target. The guy is a beast and moves like a defensive back. He is a rare combination of size, speed, and athleticism and SMART – again he’s always in the right place at the right time and has a great attitude as well. The guy would become an instant hit for our defense and would quickly become one of the elite linebackers in the league. Can’t say I’ve been this excited about a linebacker for many years.
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by JChief on Jan 28, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Take Curry
And we all can get along.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The main concern for the Chiefs
should be to improve the D. FA this year looks to be a great vehicle to fill the D-Line, LB holes. Does anyone have the info on which offensive lineman will be up for FA this offseason? If we fill those holes in FA and in later rounds – you really should lighten up on the prospect of Bowe, Crabtree, Gonzo and an offense you really should give Gailey and the Chiefs more credit for. The problem was the D. FA can fill some major holes.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FA is getting worse
in terms of value received vs money paid. But maybe we can pick up some short-term help in FA.
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will win more next season.
QBs drafted in the top 5, back to 2001:
Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Alex Smith, Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Matt Ryan. How many were worth that high a pick? You decide.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 27, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WR free agents
Our need at WR isn’t for a superstar, it’s for a solid starting WR who can push Bradley to the #3 role. It seems likelier that we can add someone to fit that spot through free agency, rather than at the top of the draft.
It seems to me that you can get the kind of WR we need through free agency easier than you can get a really good OL as a free agent. We need a young building block OL to pair with Albert going forward to transform our offense for the long term. For a WR we just need someone pretty good for a few years. Get our building block OL in the draft, and fill the WR need with a vet free agent.
by Offense of the 70s on Jan 27, 2009 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cut Webb & Darling
keep Bowe (obviously), Bradley, and Franklin. If Bradley doesn’t show up all season I’d be inclined to cut him after next season too
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 27, 2009 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
WR
Actually I do see KC going for one. They have Bowe but Bradley is injury prone. I like Bryant Johnson, Shaun McDonald (a nice slot) and/or Roscoe Parrish of the Bills a good kick returner and slot man. There are better receivers in the FA market than other need areas. DE’s are scarce. LB’s are okay.
by FrankPitts on Jan 27, 2009 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree, Baskett
I think the Chiefs should (and will) take the best player available with the number 3 overall pick in the draft. We are a bad team and need help everywhere. My guess is that Crabtree will prove to be the best player available at that point so we should take him.
In terms of possible FA signings, it might make sense to sign Hank Baskett. He is probably not starting material, but has shown some promise and plays well on special teams. Moreover, he will not cost a lot. Bring him to camp and let the best backups make the team.
by pleaseblock on Jan 27, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Any
top talent in the draft is a good move for us. Taking Crabtree #3 is not bad, but not great either, I don’t think it’s as bad as the Lions because this is something they kept repeating, which caused them to ignore the rest of the team, that’s why they are the 0-16 Lions.
I hate drafting for need so I present this:
In 1984, Bowie entered the NBA draft, and after the Houston Rockets selected Hakeem Olajuwon with the first pick in the draft, the Portland Trail Blazers selected Bowie over North Carolina shooting guard Michael Jordan. Jordan was picked third, by the Chicago Bulls, and would go on to be one of the greatest players in basketball history, earning five NBA Most Valuable Player Awards and winning six NBA Championships.5 Future All-Stars Charles Barkley (power forward) and John Stockton (point guard) were also available at this point during the 1984 draft. Portland’s draft decision is regarded by ESPN as the worst in NBA history.6 Sports Illustrated called Bowie the biggest NBA draft bust in a 2005 list, arguing that teams should not draft according to current need but to a player’s potential.[
I know the NBA ain’t the NFL, but the philosophy works, draft great players, not for your particular glaring weakness. Our glaring weakness is Oline, LB and Dline in that order. Crabtree would not be a disappointment if picked, but if there are other guys and their are that look like studs and can fill a need, then you don’t pass them up.
Trent Green was a ProBowl Stud and had amazing numbers with barely average receivers. Elway, Favre, and Marino made good receivers look great for years. Common thread with all these guys is they had all day to throw behind a monster O-line, a concept most vividly illustrated by the career of Aikman.
Aikman wouldn’t be Aikman if his line wasn’t the biggest and most athletic line of its time, just look at the numbers that line dwarfed other O-lines and more importantly the D-lines they faced. Recall the hall of fame D players of the Bills, Steelers and Chargers getting shut out against the “boys”.
With that I submit this
Curry in 1st round
Mack 2nd round
RT 3rd round
BPA for rest of the draft.
Pick up Igor Olshansky and Vilma in FA.
That puts us at near .500 next year just on talent alone. Leaving us in still good cap position and able to trade up and grab the QB we need in 2010. I just don’t see this years crop of QB’s rating that high.
Let me know what you think boys
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 27, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Rey Rey over Curry...
but I can live with that. Also how about a a gaurd in round 3. I think our interior line needs more work than the ends.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 27, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the idea
of drafting Mack early in round 2, but we could pick up the center from the Ravens in FA and keep a first day pick to spend on another position. I’d say move the RT selection to round 2 then look at guards, WRs, and QBs in round 3. Round 3 is a great place to pick up a guard. But this all hinges on us finding a solid DE in FA and determining that Thigpen is the QB for next year.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 27, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Change the order
“Our glaring weakness is Oline, LB and Dline in that order.”
Try Dline, Oline, and LB – in that order.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Strike that
Dline, LB, and Oline. Wait.. no… Dline, LB/OLine – yeah those two.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interior
is where you can hide the players without the best ability, Guards can pretty much occupy space and get by, kinda like putting the fat kid at 1st base in baseball.
And Sacintosh has gotta go. With Waters, and Mack/Unger the interior the interior is good to go, no reason Niswenger can’t get help with that squad, he would do fine at RG.
Rey Rey is too old old, still making plays because he has all world defense around him,hell half their D roster is going to the probowl. They all want to stat together too, so we can X them off the shopping list.
Vilma or the LB from the Cardinals is our best FA bet, we can get Olshansky for good value (only gotta spend $ no draft pick for him), he helps stuff the run, that helps Dorsey and with Curry or DJ coming around the end on a blitz (not dropping back in coverage ALL THE TIME and wasting there physical assets) that’s gonna free up Hali for single coverage and improve his sacks ASAP.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 27, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree. This years FA market has some good players that will fill some necessary holes. Yes we need to build through the draft, and yes we need to find the BPA’s at whichever positions are available when our number is called. I think we aren’t going to pick a QB with our #3 b/c of Pioli’s drafting record. He has never picked a QB that high and still ended up with a Franchise QB (arguably one of the best of all time?) and a helluva backup – who stepped in when said best went down.
So if we scratch that off the needs list (for the immediate time being) then we have important needs on both OL and DL. So we address those. But we seem to have had a history or not getting super strong players in FAgency. We have added in aging vets to plug the current hole, but not younger FA’s that will become part of the team for a longer period of time. At least not in years. (Granted there are exceptions, Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Trent Green, Brian Waters). But if we are active – but not crazy in FA and can plug glaring holes with players that are still in or reaching their prime then the Draft takes on a different reality for us.
Vermeil was great at getting good vets through FA, but sacrificing our draft. I would say Germ was pretty decent in the draft, but horrible at getting vets (right rebuild and all I know). What we need is a better balance, getting great players through FA who will mentor and help the future players we get through the draft.
So Vilma, Olashanksy in FA allows us to take Curry, or even gasp Crabtree.
But it all depends on what kinds of players we are in FA. We don’t want to be going back to the MO of grabbing high priced over the Hill vets. But neither do we wanna be non-existent players in that rodeo.
In any event I have faith that Pioli and the new HC will get the job done.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 27, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right Rey Rey
sounds darn fine to me, helluva player, less likely to stab people to death.
Good call HIV
(Excuse me; ALLEDGEDLY stab people to death)
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 27, 2009 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
CURRY OVER REY REY
Rey Rey is NOT better than Curry.
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by JChief on Jan 27, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stafford started 3 yrs for the 'dawgs
and he missed maybe 1 start . He’s a good sized, tough, strongarmed QB, who played top quality defenses every week in the SEC. More often than not, he beat them. He had average recievers and a good running game. His o line was wiped out early this year. He took alot of hard hits and still had a pretty darn good year.
I think we need a guy who can take a good hard lick and get back up. That’s Stafford.
#58 belongs in the Hall
by Chiefho on Jan 27, 2009 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess
That was a slap at the Big 12 little tykes defensive play.
#58 belongs in the Hall
by Chiefho on Jan 27, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Curry vs. Malualuga
Thats a debate I’d like to see!
by just a guy on Jan 27, 2009 6:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Rey...
he has the look of a super star, the next Seau or Ray Lewis. Plus I’ll take the best defender in the Pac10 over the top dog in the ACC any day.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 27, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow i actually read all 115 comments
So to chime in with my opinion
1) I agree with taking the BPA at #3, we can take need if the players seem to be about equal in value.
2) I’m split on the Crabtree idea but i can’t say i would hate it if the chiefs went in that direction. The comparison to the lions is ridiculous they drafted a receiver 3 times within the first 11 picks i believe, we drafted Bowe near 20 which is not that ridiculous for a WR and taking Crabtree at 3 would be the first time we went WR that high in a while, so the analogy to Detroit i would kill that right now it doesn’t make sense. I think Crabtree will be the best WR to come out in a while and i think he had tremendous value as a top 5 pick.
3) I would favor taking Curry over an OL, as others said before OL is a safe pick usually but i would argue Curry seems like a pretty safe pick as well. The arguments about not taking a T that high since we have albert i think are valid as well. The exception here would be if we planned to somehow trade back into the first round to go for Laurinitus or
Maualuga.
4) Free Agency basically i think tips the argument into the right directions. Who knows the direction Pioli wants to go, i think this team with the right moves will be pretty decent next year with the opportunity to be great 2 years from now. Having said that i think we spend some money on some young promising Free Agents and save some cap for 2010 as well.
5) Someone mentioned getting Curry, Mack through the draft and Vilma and Igor through Free Agency. THAT WOULD BE PERFECT but things rarely play out that perfectly. But imagine Curry, Vilma, and DJ thats a scary combo, along with Igor an improved Dorsy and Hali all of a sudden the defensive front seems pretty strong. Plus if Mack is all he cracked up to be the the line is probably a position or two away from being pretty good.
6) Overall for me i would say with the top 3 picks in the draft and 2 FA signings i think we need to go: DE, LB (i think id favor a MLB), OL (id probably say C and RT are equal), another OL or DL, WR (I like Bowe and Bradley and its not our biggest area of need but we could definately use some help and competition here).
7) Last point no one really mentioned yet. A lot of our pick (i would think) would depend heavily on who our next head coach is and their schemes and plans for the future. 4-3 vs 3-4, passing offense vs. a running one, etc, etc.
by Krans on Jan 27, 2009 6:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The comparison to Detroit was,
taking a possible star receiver, without having the means to protect the qb long enough to utilize that pick. From center to rt our line is a sieve, maybe Rudy is better at guard. We need a rt, get another one through the draft, and our bookends are set for the next ten years. We will also be needing to have Waters replacement soon, he is not getting any younger.
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by Eric Allen on Jan 27, 2009 9:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I get the comparisson to an extent but i still don't think it is a good one.
I think Detroit could be forgiven for some of the picks since they seemed to grab best player available but they did it three times. The chiefs would only be doing it once, if Detroit had not taken Charles Rogers or Mike Williams and had just taken Calvin Johnson would anyone really have criticized? Johnson was such a special talent people kind of understood in a sick way why Detroit grabbed him.
Now i completely agree with you on the offensive line it needs to be improved. Having said that though is it not perceivable that we could get a startling lineman in the 2nd or 3rd round and also sign just one starting FA. That would leave us with Albert, Waters, the FA, the draft pick, then rudy or one of the other guys to battle at the last spot. Sure the FA or draftee might bust out but it gets us closer and i think we all can agree its safer to say we are 2 years away than one.
Thus taking Crabtree and improving the line that way gets us set at WR for years to come, gets our line possibly one pick away from being pretty solid and we likely still would have decent cap.
Of course all of this would have to fall into place pretty well but to me it makes sense as a sincere possibility.
by Krans on Jan 28, 2009 2:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Along with a receiver, I not giving up on Bones yet
Fitzgerald has Kurt Warner throwing to him, just saying that should be taken into consideration.
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by Eric Allen on Jan 28, 2009 6:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heres a thought
I seriously believe we’ll be able to trade down, and Pioli is known to do so. WR is a prime need in the NFL these days.. Hell Isaac Bruce was able to reel in a decent contract despite his recent ineffectiveness and age last off season..
With Crabtree looking like the pick of the decade (doesn’t hurt he has Fitzgerald raising his stock every game) at WR there are teams that are seriously going to consider putting out the kings ransom for him because every team in the NFL knows there’s no way in football hell that he gets past the Seahawks.
Jacksonville, Oakland, San Fran, Chicago, Miami, and Tennessee are all teams searching for a number one reciever and have first round picks. I pray the Eagles gather up some courage and decide they could make a run with Crabtree starting across Jackson and deal us their two firsts that we can use on Rey Maualuga/ James Lauranitus and Alex Mack(Hell no to him getting past the steelers)….. ahh a man can dream right??
by 808NaNz808 on Jan 27, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Great points!
“With Crabtree looking like the pick of the decade (doesn’t hurt he has Fitzgerald raising his stock every game) at WR there are teams that are seriously going to consider putting out the kings ransom for him because every team in the NFL knows there’s no way in football hell that he gets past the Seahawks.”
I think you’re exactly right. Although rare, the opportunity to trade down for the Chiefs appears to be a very real possibility for Pioli. However, I say unless you get some awesome LBs in FA then you definately don’t pass up on Curry. Curry will be to LB what Crabtree is to WRs – and in our case we go D over offense IMO.
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