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Elite Free Agent LBs May Not Hit Open Market

Three names continually pop up around here when the discussion turns to fixing the mess we call the Kansas City Chiefs linebacking corps:

Terrell SuggsBart ScottKarlos Dansby.

Suggs and Scott, both 'backers for the decade long powerhouse that is the Baltimore Ravens defense, can both hit the open market once the clock strikes midnight on February 27th if the Ravens choose to let them walk.  But will they even make it there?

The Ravens slapped the franchise tag on Suggs following the 2007 season assuring themselves he'd be in purple for at least one more season.  Some folks at the time made the assumption that the franchise tag in '08 meant free agency in '09.  As Lee Corso says, not so fast my friend.

In an appearance on Sirius Satellite Radio, Suggs said (via PFT) he might be willing to take a "home discount" so that he can continue playing with arguably the best linebacker corps in the NFL including teammates Bart Scott and Ray Lewis (both of whom could be deemed too pricey this offseason).

“To line up and see somebody [different] behind me in my case, or lining up seeing somebody different in Bart’s case, line up with somebody next to you and it’s not one of the greatest defensive players of all time, it’s going to be kind of weird. Like I told Bart, he’s been like a big brother since I got there. This was his seventh year [and] my sixth. It’s been me, him and Adalius Thomas from Day One. We’ve already seen one of our other brothers walk. We really don’t want to see too many more of us walk away from the city of Baltimore. Hopefully we all can stay, definitely, on a home discount.

Uh-oh.  Suggs and Scott are two of the premier names supposedly hitting the free agency market come February 27th.  While as Chiefs fans we'll argue whether we're willing to pay what will assuredly be a $12 million/year deal to a player like Suggs or a deal in the $7-10 million/year range to a player like Scott, it appears it's not all about the money.  And for a rebuilding team like the Chiefs, money is about all we've got when trying to attract top flight free agents.

Bart Scott hasn't indicated whether he's willing to take a "home discount" but  would he be willing to adjust his contractual demands so that he can continue to play with two Pro Bowlers?

Karlos Dansby, like Suggs, had the franchise tag slapped on him by the Arizona Cardinals just two weeks before free agency began at the end of February in 2008.  With a one year tender of $8.065 million, the Cardinals can tag him again with a 120% pay increase which would put his franchise tender at $9.678 million (assuming that number is higher than the average of the top 5 highest paid linebackers in the NFL in 2009).

With all the NFL draft talk beginning to heat up, I've been under the mindset that the Chiefs would be best suited to address the linebacker situation in free agency and attack another need, like offensive or defensive line, in the draft.  But now that it appears there's at least a chance none of the Big 3 will hit the open market, our strategy might have to be adjusted.

Aaron Curry has been flying up draft boards the last few weeks and will undoubtedly be available with the 3rd pick in the draft.  With the talk of a "home discount" in Baltimore, and the very real possibility that the Cardinals will realize a $1.613 million pay raise is pennies compared to the importance of a star linebacker on a Super Bowl caliber squad, the Chiefs may be out of luck if they're looking to drastically upgrade their linebacking corps via free agency.

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I'm hoping

the Cardinals continue in their losing ways and let Dansby go… assuming it would be to the Chiefs. If not, he can stay :)

The Day Herm Edwards didn't get his team ready to beat the Raiders at Arrowhead is the day he kissed his job goodbye.

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehn GOODBYYYEE!

by IISaiNtII on Jan 26, 2009 9:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The draft

I agree, we will not land one of these players. And even if we do we need at least 2 new LBs, 3 if we go to a 34 defense.

I seriously doubt that even if we wanted to trade down out of the 3rd pick that we will be able to do so. So if we are left picking in the top 5 it looks like right now the choices are 2 QBs, 2 LTs, a WR, or a LB.

Looking at the options, if we go defense, the only guy that high on the lists is Curry at this point. I love Curry’s game and think he will be a game changer for years to come so I am all for them solving 1 part of the LB core with him as the 3rd pick.

by tevans96 on Jan 26, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

What about Vilma?

Any word on whether Vilma will hit the free agent market?

by Offense of the 70s on Jan 26, 2009 9:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Eh

History of knee injuries…

by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't Vilma have some off the field issues also?

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 26, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He was arrested for a DUI a few weeks ago

Also, he has OCD (not that OCD), which as his Wiki page points out, is a “a bone defect that can cause instability and loose particles in the joint, and this is a possible cause behind his season-ending injury in 2007.”

by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maulaluga

I worry that in the NFL he will have a tendancy to take himself out of plays. He likes to freelance a little too much for my taste.

by tevans96 on Jan 26, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well his practices (senior bowl) were subpar at best, how was he in the actual game?

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 26, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think its the difference between...

a solid defender and a super star. Still, I doubt Pioli takes a LB that high. Last LB to go that high (top 5) was Arrington I believe.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Jerod Mayo?

10th pick in last year’s draft seemed like a stretch for him.

Now he’s the DROTY.

by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Big dollar difference between #3 and #10.

I’d love to drop down to the #8-12 range and take an LB there, just got to find someone to wheel and deal with.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 26, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And what about his 4 years in the Pac-10...

when he destroyed his competition? Are you going to discount that because of one all-star game?

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't the Senior bowl more designed to get to see the work and study habits of the athlete?

The game film from college should be more of an indicator of potential than one off season all star game.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 26, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe he was a playmaker

not an every play guy you depend on.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 26, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Some scouts compare Rey M. potential to a Pomamlu except in LB.

Not exactly sure how true that might be, but that’s a pretty good comparison. I would like Aaron Curry at 3, but if we can trade down and get additonal picks Rey makes sense later.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 26, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to think that...

some of the top flight players don’t take the Senior Bowl seriously. Its a venue for average players to get noticed, not for premier players to solidify themselves. They have their 3 plus years of experience to do that.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Senior Bowl

To me the point is to see how they take to coaching and playing with new players. If they don’t take it serious will they play down to the competition in the NFL when playing supposedly lesser teams?

I am not saying he will but it is something to take note of.

by tevans96 on Jan 26, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't give the Cards too much credit

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Don’t think for a second that because Arizona found their way into the Super Bowl that suddenly they are a well run organization. Last I knew, Bidwell was still the owner, and a bad one at that.

Assuming the Cards will do the right thing with Dansby goes against the history of bad moves by the Cards. Don’t count him out yet……

by Spruce on Jan 26, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cards

They are getting better in the ownership department because one of the kids basically took the team away from the dad. So they might start to get there stuff together, we will have to see.

by tevans96 on Jan 26, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

but they might not even be able to keep him if they wanted to. They don’t have the cap space and I think they might think that a cheaper draft pick will be the way to go. Not to mention they have to deal with Kurt Warner in the offseason.

by chiefsfan1384 on Jan 26, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In order for the Ravens to hang on to both their FA LB's they would need to sign one of them soon.

So that they can use a Franchise tag on the other. The price to keep both LB’s might be too much for them. I suspect that one will be available for us, just depends on who the Ravens value more Suggs or Scott.

If we don’t address LB in free agency or through a trade, we will be drafting one for sure. The strength of the draft is LB so we should be able to walk away this draft with at least 2 good ones.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 26, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think Baltimore will also look...

to give their young QB some weapons to work with, which may tie up resources that would go to the defensive side of the ball.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...........A bruiser kind of RB would help to go along with McGahee

plus the hit that he took would playing against the Steelers might be of some concern to Ozzie. Don’t believe they would tie up so much of their money on two LB’s.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 26, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

im praying

that we can get one of the top tier LB’s in FA. It will make our draft that much easier.

by paratrooper on Jan 26, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We should be able to walk away with one....the question is for how much?

But I think that even if we sign one of the top FA LB’s we should take the BPA at LB with the #3 pick. Then for sure we would of taken LB out as an area of concern.

I remember Hartwell was a hot FA out of Baltimore when he was available, he didn’t seem to be the same without Ray Lewis. So it would be a safer bet to still draft a LB to go along with a FA LB just in case. Especially since our LB play was so bad.

Everybody remembers the QB fiasco and how unprepared we were for it, what about LB? That was equally bad, and at least we have a candidate in Thigpen on offense. How about our LB corps? We only have DJ and he didn’t have a great year.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on Jan 26, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Brown

The Ravens have a young pro bowl caliber center. Try for him an Angel Cromwell and draft a couple LB’s.

by FrankPitts on Jan 26, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I am not as concerned about FA LBs

Since this year’s draft is pretty deep for LBs. We weren’t targeting Suggs for an LB, but rather for a DE. That is the position we need to find in free agency. We will fill a number of holes with FA this year and will be looking for guys that aren’t necessarily big names. Guys like Udeze at DE and the center from the Ravens (as mentioned by Frank above). Also, if we are set on getting an LB in FA, I think Channing Crowder will be available and would cost less than Scott.

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 26, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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