Chris Mortensen: One Of The Worst Reporters In Sports?
I'll admit it...bad reporters in general (and sports reporters in particular) touch a nerve with me. Not reporters who occasionally get a story wrong, mind you, because everyone's wrong sometimes, but reporters who draw a paycheck to give informed, reliable information to a wide audience and yet consistently exhibit sloppy research habits, often engage in clearly flawed, lazy analysis, and constantly talk out of their mouth to the south. Irritates the hell out of me.
Part of that is probably because I'm a Chiefs fan and a long-time resident of a "flyover" state and so I see too many reporters in a national forum making inaccurate, lazy comments about my favorite team because they just couldn't be bothered to do any digging and find out what the real story is. And part of that is because I just don't like when people are getting paid to get a story wrong that they should have gotten right. Now I'm a blogger, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm as guilty of getting stories wrong as often as any reporter (and probably more)...but then it's also not my job to be right. And I doubt that there are too many people out there who are going to say that what I write has credibility on a par with the average newspaper or news service...rightfully so, since I don't have access to the resources (like press credentials and a locker room pass) or the time to dedicate to this craft that people who work for those entities have. A paycheck demands a certain level of accountability and when reporters consistently fail to be accountable for the information they put out there I believe they deserve to get raked over the coals for it. Few things make my day like watching a reporter with only a passing interest in accuracy get smacked down in the press...especially on a national level, and especially if I get to do some of the smacking (limited though my exposure might be).
Which brings us to ESPN reporter and "senior NFL analyst", Chris Mortensen. Mortensen's a guy who's been bugging me for quite awhile now, not just because he gets the occasional story wrong (like everyone else) but because over the last couple of years he appears to have almost no interest in getting his stories right...especially major stories. Like how the he reported, right after Herm Edwards had been fired, that the Chiefs were on the verge of signing Mike Shanahan to replace him. Problem was, the Chiefs were nowhere close to signing Shanahan. Apparently, they'd never even talked to Shanahan. And Mortensen apparently didn't have a single source willing to go on record to say otherwise...not to mention that every followup source ESPN talked to from the Chiefs and the NFL either shot the story down immediately or deemed it highly unlikely. Which begs the question, did Mortensen even bother to call anyone affiliated with the Chiefs before he ran the story? And who was his "league source" who passed along information on negotiations that apparently even the people supposedly involved in those negotiations had no information on? The Amazing Kreskin? Jesus? Some wino on the street corner outside the league office?
I'd be inclined to give Mortensen the benefit of the doubt that he actually talked to a "league source" except that over the last couple of years Mort's made kind of a pattern of putting out stories that appear to be at best rumor-mongering and at worst completely fabricated of out thin air. Here's a quick list of some of his most bogus ones:
Michael Vick's trial, July 17, 2007
Additionally, Vick is unlikely to be indicted in the dogfighting federal investigation, according to information gathered by the NFL and Atlanta Falcons, sources tell ESPN's Chris Mortensen. The authorities have told the Falcons and league that there has not been any evidence that can be tied to Vick with the alleged dogfighting ring, the sources said.
Eli Manning "separated shoulder", September 11, 2007
New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning has a slightly separated shoulder which is expected to keep him out at least a month, sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen on Monday.
Manning, of course, didn't miss a single game.
Jeff Garcia's fractured back, December 3, 2007
Quarterback Jeff Garcia and coach Jon Gruden vehemently denied an ESPN report Sunday that suggested Garcia's badly bruised back is more serious than the team has indicated.
The report by Chris Mortensen said Garcia sustained a hairline fracture.
Garcia was hurt in last week's victory against Washington and was the inactive No.3 quarterback Sunday, one who is used only as a last resort.
"There's a lot of reports out there," Gruden said. "I just wish some of these reports were verified. (Mortensen) doesn't have a (expletive) idea what he's talking about. I can't understand why he would say that unless he got the X-rays himself."
Bill Parcells going to the Atlanta Falcons, December 19, 2007
Parcells, an ESPN NFL analyst, also has had limited dialogue with the Miami Dolphins about a similar role but the talks with the Falcons have been more urgent, a league source said.
It's interesting how few of the "league sources" that Mortensen uses for his stories ever seem to be willing to go on the record. Perhaps that's because their information is often so far removed from what's actually happening. Even the stories that Mortensen gets right seem suspiciously like guesswork rather than information gleaned from a source with inside knowledge. Like when Mortensen claimed (correctly) that Kurt Warner would be named the starting QB over Matt Leinart for the Arizona Cardinals. Mortensen's prediction (which had a 50-50 chance of being right no matter who he picked) ultimately turned out to be correct, but according to Arizona coach Ken Whisenhunt, the decision hadn't even been made when Mortensen reported it:
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, however, citing a team source, said Warner would be named the starter ahead of Leinart, who threw three interceptions against the Raiders.
“I haven’t read the paper today or seen the Internet,” Whisenhunt said. “Do we have a quarterback? … It seems like Chris Mortensen is making the decision on our quarterback for our football team. … But nothing has changed.”
So was Mortensen reporting information from a team source who had knowledge of what Ken Whisenhunt actually planned to do? Or did Mortensen see Matt Leinart throw three interceptions in a game against the Raiders and make an assumption that Leinart was going to lose his job so that he could get the story out early and scoop guys like Adam Schefter? It certainly wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing has happened...a nice thing about anonymous sources is that they're usually not available for questioning from anyone but the reporter himself. So if a reporter decides to use less than ethical means to get his story out there, it's not particularly tough to attribute information to them that they may not have passed on (or that the source himself doesn't even realize the reporter is attributing to him).
And it wouldn't be the first time that Mortensen never even bothered to try and find out if the story he was reporting on was true at all, as the story he did this month on a pending sale of the Raiders showed. I'd grab the original article from ESPN, but they actually pulled it after they found out it was completely bogus after their "senior NFL analyst" openly and unapologetically admitted he'd never talked to the Raiders about the story because he considered them to be liars:
"The Raiders have lost the privilege with me of running stories past them for comment," the e-mail stated. "This stems from their history of denials to most stories I have reported — as well as others in the media — when those stories have eventually proven to be true. The latest example is I reported that Al Davis planned to interview Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride and, of course, the story was trashed by a team spokesman."
Mortensen got his hand slapped pretty hard for that one by ESPN's outstanding ombudsman, Le Anne Schrieber, in her column.
When I e-mailed my concern to Vince Doria, ESPN senior vice president and director of news, he promptly wrote back: "A call should have been made to Raiders."
Later, I talked directly to Mortensen, who said even before I could ask, "I was wrong on both counts: one, for not soliciting comment, and two, for daring to label it a privilege. I called Amy Trask and apologized."
Whew. A one-time lapse.
Apparently not, considering that less than a month later it seems that Mortensen floated a major story about Shanahan coming to the Chiefs without bothering to talk to either Shanahan or the Chiefs before running it.
But here is my unanswered question: Why didn't someone at either ESPN's television or online news desk remind Mortensen of that basic journalistic principle when he needed reminding? And just as importantly, after failing to do that, why didn't someone at ESPN elicit that straightforward "I was wrong" statement that Mortensen handed me on a platter?
It's a good question...equally applicable to yesterday's story. Because I've yet to hear Mortensen say anything resembling "I was wrong" and ESPN is still running the story about Herm-Shanahan on their site (albeit in an increasingly edited format). Which makes me wonder if Mortensen's penitance to to Mrs. Schrieber was less about regret over his lapse in journalistic ethics than about him being sorry he got caught. Journalists have been fired for less, after all, and I find it tough to believe that Mortensen's that bulletproof as their "senior NFL analyst"...even if ESPN is the same network that's put Cris Carter, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Skip Bayless, and Rush Limbaugh* on its NFL shows.
I'll be curious to see how ESPN handles this one in the coming weeks.
*Sorry, but I couldn't find the clip where Rush Limbaugh went off about how Mike Martz would never be able to take a team to the Super Bowl, just two years after Martz had taken the Rams to a Super Bowl (which Rush didn't realize, possibly because he never actually did much research on football for his job as a football analyst and because he knew less about football than any person ESPN has ever hired to cover football). It was really priceless.
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Awesome, UC.
There is also the multiple occasions at the end of this season that Mort was contradicted by other ESPN NFL reporters.
I hate the sports media.
The world of the sports media is largely made up of non-athletes who have never competed at anything a day in their lives. Just look at a guy like John Clayton — yeah, I bet that guy was a stud athlete back in the day. The bottom line is sports reporters don’t get it. They don’t understand what makes athletes tick. They seem to think the only thing separating them from us mortals is a talent they possess that the rest of us don’t. The thing that really separates us is the competitive spirit great athletes have. As non-athletes these guys have no clue what the are talking (to be fair there are reporters and writers who do get it — I think Joe Posnanski gets it better than Whitlock does, and Whitlock allegedly played college football. I am sometimes stunned by Whitlock’s lack of analysis).
ESPN to me is one of the worst practitioners of crappy sports coverage. There are great athletes out there who train their asses of and never get an ounce of coverage on the “world leader of sports” because ESPN chose to run an eating contest or a spelling bee or cheerleading or a bunch of kids stacking plastic cups instead. ESPN would never cover wrestling or swimming or gymnastics, unless it was regulated to one of their other networks at 3:00 in the morning.
For years ESPN wouldn’t report on ultimate fighting or mixed martial arts because they said it wasn’t a sport. Are you kidding me? It may be brutal and they may need to lose the chain link fence, but you really think those guys aren’t athletes?
The other thing that pisses me off about the sports media is the tone of it. It starts with guys like Jim Rome. Does anybody besides me wonder why Jim Rome even talks about sports as he seems to have a complete contempt for athletes? They exist for guys like Rome to make fun of. Here’s a memo to guys like Rome: these guys are better at what they do than you will ever be at anything, and they took the risk to do it. You decided to sit back and watch and comment on them.
I Don't Have A Problem With Reporters Who Never Played Sports
In fact, Mortensen was supposedly a pretty good athlete.
I just don’t like reporters who continually get their stories wrong, especially when it appears that the reason they got their stories wrong is because they never bothered to figure out if their information was any good. I don’t like liars and I don’t like fools, and a reporter who puts out a story he didn’t get even the most basic verification for is both.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
I agree with you on the reporters who have never played sports part
In fact, ESPN would greatly improve their credibility if they hired more reporters/analysts that could actually get a story right, whether or not they ever played the game. I don’t know if Clayton’s track record is great or not (since I don’t go anywhere near ESPN anymore), but there is really no chance in hell that he could be doing a worse job than Mortensen.
Oh yeah, great read! If they do end up firing Mort, you should apply for his job. Hell most of the regualr posters on here and those like you who do great work on FanPosts obviously do more research than some of those ESPN hacks.
* sarcasm might be involved in this comment
Clayton Is Okay
My only problem with him is his tendency to fan worship some players (Brett Favre in particular) and editorialize what aren’t editorial pieces. But he usually gets his facts straight on the story itself. Mortensen, on the other hand, seems to have a tendency to play fast and loose with the facts especially if he’s trying to break a big story.
As for ESPN, I’d argue that some of the worst analysts and reporters they have on the network are former players (although some of their best analysts are too…Darren Woodson, Greg Anthony, Kirk Herbstreit, Harold Reynolds before they fired him for playing grabass). In the end, being a good sports reporter or bad sports reporter has the same requirements as any other type of reporting…getting your facts straight and doing your homework before going to press with a story (especially a big one). Once you piss away the credibility that comes with being a guy who does your homework, you’re pretty much done as a journalist.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
I guess my problem is more overlying that just the journalism.
I agree that any human should be able to report on a story and get their facts checked whether they have ever played sports or not. My mom is not an athlete and she should be able to think “I don’t have two credible sources for this information, therefore I can’t use it.”
I agree with what you are saying about the teams in flyover country: the national media ignores them. They only report on what’s glamorous. The Dallas Cowboys are always a soap opera so they will always cover Dallas at the expense of other teams.
The national sports media is about one step up from the E! channel.
I Think You're Right
The national sports media is about one step up from the E! channel.
That’s dead on. Case in point: the “Who’s Now” segment. Pure fluff with absolutely no journalistic merit that ran for weeks. Same with over half of what goes into “ESPN the Magazine”.
I agree that any human should be able to report on a story and get their facts checked whether they have ever played sports or not. My mom is not an athlete and she should be able to think "I don’t have two credible sources for this information, therefore I can’t use it."
Also a very good point…you don’t have to be able to throw a ball through a hoop to be able to write competently about a sport in which people throw a ball through a hoop. All you have to be able to do is dedicate yourself to getting your facts as straight as possible before you run your stories. Doesn’t mean you’ll always be right, but it does mean that you’ll be wrong a lot less and that people will take what you have to say more seriously.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
To clarify
I don’t feel like I’m expressing myself very well. My sports background is football and wrestling and I coached high school wrestling for 10 years. I coached for a school in KC that is a perennial power in state high school wrestling, since I left the school recently won 5 state championships in a row. We got almost no media coverage at all and I know coaches who work hard to reach out the local media. But since most sports reporters aren’t athletes they don’t know anything about wrestling so they don’t bother to report it. The could do their job and ask people questions so their knowledge base is up to speed so they could report on it, but they don’t. So one of the most successful high school sports programs (if not the #1 most successful) over the last several years is almost totally ignored by the KC media. This continues on the national level as well. How much coverage do those outside the “popular” sports get? Hell, horse racing gets more coverage than wrestling and swimming and gymnastics and track & field and the list goes on and on. I’ve already stated my dismay with ESPN for giving credence to “competitive eating” over real sports they should be covering if they are really the “world leader in sports.” (Sidebar: with one third of the US population being obese, shouldn’t we avoid showing eating contests on TV?) My argument has always been that the reason these sports are deemed the “unpopular” ones is that the general public never gets any exposure to them because the non-athletes in the sports media don’t know anything about sports. I think baseball would gain popularity if the public got to see teams other than the Yankees and Red Sox every once in a while. The lack of experience by sports reporters limits what they are able to credibly present to the public and their laziness to discover other sports only compounds the problem.
I Get What You're Saying
Experience with the sport reporters cover can really help the quality and amount of coverage that sport gets. I agree. But I’ve also seen some reporters who I’m pretty sure have never played sports do a great job of covering sports and offering informed opinions. I think it really just comes down to the individual reporter’s desire to get their story correct. And I think some of the dearth of coverage in less mainstream sports is probably a result of the newspaper itself trying to write things that appeal to a broader audience (since their goal is still to sell copy) so it may be that they (often erroneously) assume that sports that less people follow aren’t as important to cover.
By the way, except for the movie “Seabiscuit” I hate horse racing. It bores the hell out of me. And I came from a school in Kansas (Arkansas City) that won the state 5A championship in wrestling every year for a decade so I hear you about the lower profile sports getting overlooked. Once I went off to KU, the only people I ran into who even knew where Ark City was were guys who used to wrestle.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
I agree
There are also some great coaches who never played the sports they coach. I don’t know Posnanski’s sports background, but the dude certainly doesn’t look like an athlete and he is a great sports writer. I think Joe gets it and he will admit to not knowing things about some of the sports he has written about. But I think it’s rare. I think a lot of the non-athletes get into being sports reporters as a means of correcting their non-athlete status. Their thinking is “if i get to hang out in the locker room then that really makes me one of the team.”
If you like the movie “Seabiscuit” then I would highly recommend the book. It’s up there with “Friday Night Lights” for me in terms of non-fiction books.
Speaking of, anybody around here ever watch the tv series Friday Night Lights? It’s absolutely fantastic and it deserves a much bigger audience.
Informed
I think what it all comes down to whether one is a former sports player/athlete cum journalist or not is if their opinion is informed or not. And that has to do with how much resources, time, effort and credibility they put into their work before it goes to press. And it also comes down to how much respect they have for the game.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Completely Agree
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
wrestling
I agree, the thing is wrestling is an ‘unglamours’ sport. Dont’ get me wrong, I wrestled my entire HS career and the beginning of college too. So I have the utmost respect for it. But it’s unglamorous to those that don’t appreciate it. Does that mean it shouldn’t get more media attention? Hell no. But it’s a tough sell.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Tough sell
I didn’t find the Steelers/Ravens game to be glamorous. I thought it was pretty ugly but last weekend but 30 million people watched it. The point I want to make is the unglamorous sports get ignored because the sports media is too lazy to do its job and actually find out about them. And I think non-athlete sports reporters generally don’t get that.
I Don't Know That They Don't Get That
I mean NASCAR gets a lot of coverage and most of the people covering it weren’t NASCAR drivers. Just like most of the press who cover horse-racing (which still gets a lot of press) aren’t jockeys.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
but unlike Mortenson
those reporters (NASCAR) do their homework and spend hours making contatcs with each and every team. They never sem to speculate anything without telling the audience that what they were saying is pure speculation and unsubstantiated. I remember last year when Dale Jr, was looking to move teams, not once did anyone do something as stupid as what Mort did.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
It's What They Call A Niche Sport
Like soccer in the United States. I lived in England for six years and over there I was a rabid fan of Liverpool. Got back here and I generally don’t pay attention to it any more and couldn’t give a damn about the MLS. Part of the love a lot of fans have for the sport is their ability to share that love of their favorite sport with others. Over in England I talked soccer (although I never used that word and still generally don’t) all the time with my friends…over here there’s not much of a following for it so it’s just not as interesting to me any more. Just like when I lived in England I didn’t follow football as closely because I couldn’t watch the games on TV (unless I wanted to stay up until 3 in the morning on a work night) and none of my British friends followed it.
Basically, it’s been my experience that the press really doesn’t have much say in whether a sport is popular or not. It’s just about whether the people there like it already and the press is merely reflecting the public’s interest level.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Agree
Same thing for Lax. I was a big fan and player of it back East. But outside of New England and the Mid Atlantic East Coast, well it’s just not that big of a deal. Which always surprised me since one of the qualms non-football types have with football (as compared to lets say basketball) is the pace of the game. Where as one of the big issues visa versa is that b-ball has no big hits in it, not enough impact… or too much back and forth. Where as with Lacrosse, well it’s got the fast pace and big hits IMO.
In any event it too is isolated to a region or two and outside of that region… well, I haven’t followed it since I was in HS.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm Sure They're Aware Of Mortensen's History
The blogosphere is a big world, and I’m not the only one who’s noticed that Mortensen’s apparently pulled a lot of stuff out of his ass. And I’m pretty sure that when they get smacked down by the NFL Network like Schefter smacked them down, they’re going to be asking their “senior NFL analyst” what in the hell he thought he was doing publishing a rumor without even bothering to take to Shanahan or the Chiefs.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Very good job UC!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Strong work
Great points. Thanks one and all.
As for them (sports media and ESPN in particular) acting like E entertainment, well I couldn’t agree mor(tenson)! I mean look at all the x-players they have as commentators. Some are great, some are just there to be big names which will evidently attract viewers. But if they thought about it, their audience are sports fanatics right? So using hack football players as a commentator (the best example is ESPN replacing Michael Irving with Keyshawn Johnson – are you kidding me?) doesn’t attract more of ‘us’ to watch the channel but I would argue detracts from their credibility.
And on a local level I would argue that the worst sports writer is Jason Whitlock. He’s fully a one-hit-wonder hack of journalist. When is he gonna get the boot?!
I think this discussion can be summed up similarly to how John Stewart gave it to the ‘journalists’ of Harball way back when (ok not so long ago) when he said, “hey I’m a comedian, (agreeing with that statement or not is not the point here), my show goes on after a bunch of puppets who make prank calls. You are journalists. DO YOUR JOB.”
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:02 PM CST reply actions
I Actually Like Whitlock
He’s a opinion guy but he takes his craft seriously and he cares about it. Personally I think Kansas City sports are better off for having him around than not.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Really?
I read Whitlock cuz I get a kick out of him, but I fully feel he’s a one note writer and that he writes’ a lot of grocery store tabloid type pieces cuz it will get him readers. It’s a lot of big headlines, without a lot of thought through filler. IMO.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes
But I often find some of what Whitlock talks about to be very well thought through. Whether you like him or hate him, I think we can both agree that he’s someone who attracts a lot of attention and who not too many people are indifferent too.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
yeah
I see what you’re saying. And like him or hate him, he does cover and therefore care about KC. However I think he is just plain wrong often. I mean his whole tirade about Jeff George, Ty Law et all. Well that worked out well didn’t it? And the man refuses to let go of things. I love to disagree with him, however I would respect him more if he also could reflect that he was wrong. when he is. Which he does very rarely.
Which brings us back to Mort and ESPN. And it’s one thing to run with stories when yo think you have the scoop. And another when you are consistently wrong, and don’t admit to it, or try and bury it and pretend it never happened. Credibility is clutch when one is a reporter, and it seems that often Mort straight up makes things up and runs with it.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
I Don't Get The Jeff George Thing Either
I wouldn’t have been opposed to the Chiefs bringing him here 10 years ago, but that ship sailed and now he just needs to let it go. It’s not even that funny of a joke anymore (if that’s what he was doing).
I think he just got overly optimistic on Law, but in fairness to Whitlock he’s owned up to it when he screws up a prediction.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Good read on the post UC
BTW…someone mentioned that the Jeff George comments stem from Whitlock and George playing HS football together.
It’s sarcasm on JW’s part.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I Figured It Was
Knew they were still friends too…although I heard that George actually has been trying (seriously) to get a tryout again. Guess some guys just can’t let it go.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
And I Think You're Right About Mort
He’s had too many stories that seem like SWAGs (Super Wild Ass Guess) for me not to be suspicious of those “sources” he claims to be using.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
It's A Highly Technical Military Term
We used it all the time. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
We used it too!
But it was “Scientific Wild Ass Guess” Still a great term!
Loved the article BTW, thanks!
Posnanski
I think he’s a much better writer in any event.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
I Like Posnanski's Column Too
I think they’re both excellent writers, they just have different ways of approaching what they’re saying. Posnanski writes like a Midwesterner, he tempers his criticisms with positives when he can. Whitlock is a lot more brutally honest and when he has an opinion he isn’t shy about sharing it, often in very blunt terms (which I think a lot of people here get put off by because I’ve noticed that people from this area seem to like to look for the good in things, even if there’s not much good to look for).
Basically, Whitlock strikes me as a guy whose writing appeals more towards East Coast type fans and really big city type fans (like Chicago…which was the home of his biggest inspiration in writing, Mike Royko, whose work I also really enjoyed). Posnanski’s style appeals more to the people in the Midwest. I don’t think that really makes one better than the other as a writer…just different in who they appeal to.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Can't argue with you
UC, I love to hate you because your are so frakin rational. And I mean that as the highest compliment. It’s what got me really involved with reading AP. Even when ppl post things I disagree with, they do it thoughtfully.
As for JW. Well we can agree to disagree. I mean I am orignally a NY’er so the bluntness I have no prob with and really appreciate. It’s just the rationality that goes behind his arguments and the depth to his reasoning I take issue with.
Opinions are wonderful. hey we are full of em here at AP right? But if you are a journalist and being paid to do so (as you yourself started this with originally right?) then back up your stories with fact and with depth. JW IMO writes his opinion, he’s an editorial guy, but I am not always sure there is a lot of depth to what he writes. However I think we can go round and round on this all day, and to be honest I know I am far from right about a lot. Which is why I like to read ppl who have different opinions. I think JW just gets to me as I said cuz his diff opinion I don’t always feel is validated by anything more than himself.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
What we’re really talking about is a difference of perception and opinion and nobody ever agrees on that stuff 100%.
Of course, if Whitlock had come out and pushed that Shanahan story like Mortensen did, I’d be all up in his shit for fabricating. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Also Agree About JW's Depth At Times
Sometimes he writes op-eds that seem a little thin to me too.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
LMAO
I wonder what you would’ve found up there if he had come out with that piece. I’ll give him credit, he didn’t! I may disagree with him and whatnot but he’s not a fool… Mort on the other hand….hmm I wonder if I look up Tool on wikipedia if his pic will come up?
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
I Think Mort's Been Getting Squeezed A Lot
His game appears to be built on getting the story out there first, and the NFLN and the rise of sports blogging definitely make that a much more difficult proposition than it used to be. The thing that generally saves the media, though, is their ability to get the story right because of their level of access, but Mort’s also pissing that away whenever he runs with a poorly researched story.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
By The Way
I was raised by a Philadelphia fan (my dad) so I blame him for passing along the traits of the worst fan base in the United States to me.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
BTW2
I was raised on Long Island (gag, hak) and gladly got the hell out when I could, but the Ny’er will always be in my blood (even if I live out in California now, where what i call being genuine aka sincerely blunt gets me often in trouble).
Now if you wanna know how a NY’er/ Californian became a KC fan from back when deBerg and Okoye were rocking it… well that’s a lil longer of a story. :)
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
By All Means Go Ahead And Tell It
Actually it would probably make a good FanPost. Things are going to be going pretty slow until the Chiefs hire a new head coach and get closer to the draft.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Just might
I’ll give it some thought. And as I don’t think we are gonna hear anything about the HC from the front office today and therefore not before the SB… But right now I gotta do some grad school work before I blow my entire day.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 24, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Put it on your profile page
Everyone should take the time to do that. I did. Check out members stories by clicking on their name at the bottom of any post or comment.
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
totally agree
it bothers me when whitlock isn’t just writing goof articles because he can’t be taken seriously when he tries to make serious points. About a month ago he called the Mizzou coaching staff idiots for not getting Chase Coffman the ball enough. If he had done any research about the local All-American from the local state school he would have realized that he was the NCAA’S ALL-TIME LEADER IN RECEPTIONS FOR A TIGHT END. but the article showed what jason’s “guts” told him, for what its worth, which is not much in my opinion
oh baby, what a pants design!
by zubaz pants revival on Jan 24, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I Was Pre-Journalism For Two Years At KU
But then I decided I was better served by spending my time drinking and sleeping in so I went Poli-Sci instead. :)
I did do this kind of stuff for awhile as a job when I was an intel analyst for the Army, writing product reports, although I find covering sports to be more fun and much less depressing.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Fair enough
I was a journalism major at KU for a short time myself. Hated every ounce of it so i doubled in english and history and ended up a technology consultant for the next 15 years. Go figure.
Well anyway, thanks for sharing your labor of love with the rest of us. It’s damn good time to be a Chiefs fan!
I Wonder
If anyone clicked on any of those links I included to ESPN’s other useless “analysts”…they had some nice little YouTube clips of Carter getting pwned by some Cowboys fan. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
That Cowboys Fan Was Hilarious
Took both Keyshawn and Carter down a peg…deservedly so. I honestly can’t stand Cris Carter. On “Inside The NFL” he was tolerable because there was only so much of his b.s. the other people on the show would put up with before they started making fun of him, but on ESPN he’s just an idiot without any kind of filter.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
and Emmitt
He’s about friggin’ brilliant isn’t he?!?!
I actually remember watching Sals tear into Bayless. I started yelling at the TV when he was spouting that nonsense about suspending Belichick comparably to Pac man. WTF?
Pelatie Flag
Pelatie. Too many pelaties in this game. They need to stop with all the pelaties. :)
My favorite part was where he restated what he was saying mid-sentence and changed it from grammatically correct to grammatically incorrect.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Ah
So she’s Italian. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
Always Good To Have See Another Jayhawk On The Boards At AP
Breaks up the Missouri bloc just a bit. :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
"Poli-Sci...
…Why try?" :)
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Neither will Mike Shanahan.
stress
Yeah the whole shammy thing caused a lot of stress for me. From now on im going to wait for more reliable sources.
More on Mort
Another blogger, getlynched47 (donkey!) had this to say…
http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=133699
It’s definitely true that any other local newspaper reporter would’ve been long fired for mistakes of this magnitude.
Whoever said, 'It's not whether you win or lose that counts,' probably lost.
Good job UC, nice read!
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Great post!
I agree with every point, I think that ESPN has realized that the NFL Network is their major threat, Adam Schefter has done an amazing job over there and is a credit to the “man stream media” in that he gets his sources, and stands by his story. I am somewhat biased to Schefter from his days at the Denver Post. I think ESPN is realizing they are losing viewership to the NFL netowrk and probably soon to the MLB network and they are trying to keep pace, so I am sure they are putting pressure on Mortenson and the other scrubs there to get the inside scoop, anything to get the headlines, and Mortenson is bowing down to the pressure. This does not excuse Mortenson, since if you claim to be a journalist, you should adhere to journalistic creed and professionalism, if they have Chris Carter or some other ex-athlete reporting junk, so be it, I don’t expect much from them, but Mortenson, Clayton, and the rest of the hacks over there should be much better.
I also like Jason Whitlock, and he seems to have some serious issues with ESPN too over the same things highlighted here.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
Mortensen jumps the gun
But I don’t know if he’s as bad as Fish, who just so happens to bring up the HGH “story” in relation to the Steelers on the eve of their AFC Championship, among other sad attempts to create a controversy.
Yeah, But
It’s my understanding that they spent months working on that story. If it was important, why would ESPN wait for someone else to get the story?
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I'm misinformed
Do you have a link to some background info on this?
by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
This is a story from two years ago.
The date is 03/03/07 when this was reported.
It doesn’t surprise me in the least that ESPN would try to bring it up on the verge of an important playoff game. It reminds me of a certain team last year that went through the same thing.
I'm a wrestler!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
LOL!!!
You onery fella you!
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
And I'm A Lead Farmer
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Neither will Mike Shanahan.

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