A Few Myths about the Chiefs' Situation
I'd like to dispel a few myths about the Chiefs current situation that have cropped up in discussions here and elsewhere.
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Pioli's being unfair to Herm
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this opinion stems from an assumption that Herm knows no more about his situation than we do. Obviously, since he speaks to Pioli and Hunt every day, he knows far MORE about his situation than we do. For all we know, he may know exactly what his future is.
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Pioli needs to act before the hot coaching prospects are gone
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Fans are thinking short term. Pioli is thinking long term, IMO.
I think NFL teams go on slides when they get nervous and jump at the latest hot commodity. Understand though that who the media says is currently a 'hot' coaching prospect is not the same thing as the currently available guy who will have the most success as a head coach in the next few years.
So imagine you are Scott Pioli. Do you trust who everyone else says is the new 'hot' commodity, or do you do your own evaluations based on your experience?
It's easy to say, 'why doesn't Pioli jump on Ryan, Spags' etc, but I have the feeling other people's charts mean nothing to Pioli - his charts mean everything.
Why trust other people's evaluations? Half the league has a losing record each year -- but Pioli doesn't. They should be watching HIM to learn something about his process.
So he's gonna do his own evaluations, and that takes time. During that time, coaching prospects will be signed by other teams -- but some of those coaches will be busts -- should he jump at them? Nope. Not till the eval's are done.
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Chiefs should take XXX as the 3rd pick in the draft
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This isn't a myth, but a situation where I think most fans (or at least posters that I read) are looking the wrong direction.
I think Pioli will trade down if at all possible, and I would agree with the decision for several reasons:
- Each pick in a draft results in a player that costs disproportionately more than any pick below it. In other words, for the same talent, you pay more the higher the pick was. On average, the first pick in the draft will be the worst bargain in the draft.
- Pioli's history and experience would tell him (I would think) that getting ahead in the NFL is about outthinking other teams. One key way to do that -- a method at which Pioli has been particularly successful -- is by finding steals in later rounds. Trading down gives a GREAT opportunity to parlay an overpriced #3 into 2 or more chances at grabbing a guy under the radar. It is impossible to go under the radar with a #3 pick.
- Pioli does not chase big talent, he chases hard working, football intelligent, undervalued players.
- The best you can possibly do with a #3 pick is get a player who plays up to what everyone thinks he should. You cannot really get a guy that goes above his potential with the #3 pick -- only ones that do what everyone thought they should. You end up paying for him to reach his potential -- then a great deal of the time they don't.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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but...
“the first pick in the draft will be the worst bargain in the draft.”
But this is not always true. Many first round picks go on to be VERY worth it. Finacially speaking. Not all mind you, but many. And if we trust that Pioli is the man to get the job done because of his uncanny ability to pick folks (one of many reasons cited here and other places) then I guess we just have to trust that, whatever round he drops his picks.
good points, but.... :)
But this is not always true. Many first round picks go on to be VERY worth it. Finacially speaking. Not all mind you, but many. And if we trust that Pioli is the man to get the job done because of his uncanny ability to pick folks (one of many reasons cited here and other places) then I guess we just have to trust that, whatever round he drops his picks.
true, many first overall picks are very worth it, but on average, it’s the worst spot. Here are fictitious numbers that may illustrate the point:
Draft pick #1 costs 10 million
Draft pick #2 costs 9 million
Draft pick #3 costs 8 million
We must make 3 assumptions for this example: (more on this later)
the cost of picks goes down in a straight line throughout the round
all evaluators agree on the talent level of the first 3 picks
the cost of a player equals his production level if he plays up to evaluator’s expectations
All 3 players are incredibly talented. All 3 players are expected to turn into stars. Additionally, among the top 3 players, there is not a significant difference in the chance the player becomes a bust. Each player has, say, a 20% chance of being a bust.
So:
Pick 1 costs $10 mil to get, on average, $8 mil worth of production (you lose your $10 mil 2 times out of 10)
Pick 2 costs $9 mil to get, on average, $7.2 mil of production
Pick 3 costs $8 mil to get, on average, $6.4 mil of production
In this example, all draft picks would be of equivalent value — 80% of their cost. However, as stated before, the example does not match reality — we make assumptions that we can see are not true, as listed previously. Let’s examine which direction the reality lies from our example.
a)the cost of picks goes down in a straight line throughout the round
actually, it is not a straight line, it is a curve in which the top pick in the draft costs MORE in comparison to the expected potential of the player than any pick below it. Teams who draft second end up paying slightly closer to the expected value. In this way, the lower a team picks, the better deal they get financially. ADVANTAGE: TRADE DOWN
b)the cost of a player equals his production level if he plays up to evaluator’s expectations
not true — the cost of a player varies wildly from his production value. Nowhere is this more true than in the first 3 picks — where it costs LOTS of money no matter what, but the player must essentially become a pro-bowler to be worth the pick. ADVANTAGE: TRADE DOWN
b)all evaluators agree on the talent level of the first 3 picks
obviously not — there are vast disagreements in scouting from team to team. but we have one of the best talent evaluators in football now! (presumably) We can expect Pioli and the Chiefs to make a better choice than the average team on any given pick in the draft. It may not be much of a stretch to blindly assume that Pioli will get the better end of any trade he makes, as well. As I stated before — it is much harder to make a better pick than the average team at #3 then it is at #15 for instance. The amount of disagreement of who the best player in the nation is is smaller than the amount of disagreement on who the best player available is when one guy is gone — even less when 2 guys are gone, and so on.
I’ve established that I believe Pioli to have an advantage over other teams as far as drafts go — therefore, trading down plays to Pioli’s strengths — the later in the rounds, the more doubt there is — and the more likely a good evaluator can set himself apart from other teams. Add to that that trading down gives Pioli more picks, and more chances to find someone who slipped. ADVANTAGE: TRADE DOWN
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That said, here are the reasons that might change all of that:
Pioli sees a near lock available — a guy that he thinks just can’t bust – likes his personality AND game, and doesn’t anticipate contract disputes of any kind. I can’t imagine this happening.
Chiefs make a trade before the draft that gets them another high first round pick – like #6. The analysis of players that will be available shows a big likely dropoff in need between #3 and #6, so Pioli keeps #3 and tries to trade down 6. I can’t imagine this happening.
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Overall, I just don’t think Pioli will chase a big name — and it would be silly to take a guy at #3 that isn’t #3 talent, when he could trade down, gain value, and go for that same talent later.
Chan Gailey is the only guy with the balls to draft Tebow as a HB/TE/2nd QB and actually USE him that way -- alongside a pure passer to help bring on the future of the NFL -- the ghey-ly named 'wildcat'. Remember Kordell (slash)? Gailey took the talent and made it work.
It sounds absurd but I swear if you saw my chalkboard....
great Post
Unfortunately your good points are known by most NFL GM’s. IMHO that makes it harder than hell to trade this high of a pick. Fortunately, in this instance, we have so many holes to fill I think you have to take the BPA. Possibly Crabtree who IMO is the lowest risk pick in this draft but, 3 seems high for a WR. I would also add that free agency will affect this greatly. By that I mean what holes can be filled with free agency. Thankfully IMO we have a very shrewd talent evaluator.
BPA @ 3
I’m not that strong on the current crop, but it seems to me that Crabtree is the lowest risk pick also. He’s the guy I’d choose if I had to bet who ends up in the HOF, that’s for sure.
I’m with you – I don’t see how it’s the right choice for us at 3 (IMO his talent justifies the highest rookie WR contract ever — not Pioli’s style, and we DO have Bowe already) but I would be VERY happy to see him a Chief.
Charles, Bowe, Crabtree and Gailey is a damn exciting team for me. Then all we’d need is an elite Vick prototype to complete the dream in my signature….
Chan Gailey is the only guy with the balls to draft Tebow as a HB/TE/2nd QB and actually USE him that way -- alongside a pure passer to help bring on the future of the NFL -- the ghey-ly named 'wildcat'. Remember Kordell (slash)? Gailey took the talent and made it work.
It sounds absurd but I swear if you saw my chalkboard....
Draft
The object isn’t to get the most value per contract, it’s to get the best players on your roster.
Of course value is important, but it’s not everything, especially for KC, which is $45 million under the salary cap and needs to add premium talent. We can certainly afford to pay for the best possible talent. Picking #3 overall is a (hopefully) rare chance to get premium talent that you just can’t acquire any other way.
If say Michael Oher lives up to expectations, he would be a foundation piece for a decade at a crucial position. It’s almost impossible to pick up that kind of premium talent other than to draft it at the top of the draft.
Look at Pioli’s first draft in New England, he drafted Seymour near the top of the draft. Seymour’s been a foundation piece for almost a decade. If you have a chance to get a guy like that and have absolutely no cap issues, then you do it. It’s very hard and very expensive to acquire premium talent at key positions other than at the top of the draft.
That said, I’m fine with the Chiefs trading down if they think that either there is no one there for them who will be a premium talent at a key position, or if they believe that there still will be someone like that at their new, lower position. In fact, if they believe either of those, then I really hope they trade down. But as mentioned above, it’s going to be hard to trade down, most other teams know the score too.
Personally I think Oher could very well become the kind of foundation player at a key position that we could bank on for a decade. If he’s still there at #3 and we take him, I’ll be excited and glad. If Pioli disagrees, then I’ll trust his judgement more than mine, he obviously knows what he’s doing.
It’s just great to have the decisions made by someone whose judgement I trust and who as a proven record of building champions, it’s just so much better to be a fan of a team like this than it’s been for over a decade with the Chiefs.
by Offense of the 70s on Jan 22, 2009 7:05 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
yup
Look at Pioli’s first draft in New England, he drafted Seymour near the top of the draft. Seymour’s been a foundation piece for almost a decade. If you have a chance to get a guy like that and have absolutely no cap issues, then you do it. It’s very hard and very expensive to acquire premium talent at key positions other than at the top of the draft.
excellent points. we agree on far more than we disagree on, i’m guessing.
It’s just great to have the decisions made by someone whose judgement I trust and who as a proven record of building champions, it’s just so much better to be a fan of a team like this than it’s been for over a decade with the Chiefs.
amen brutha!
Chan Gailey is the only guy with the balls to draft Tebow as a HB/TE/2nd QB and actually USE him that way -- alongside a pure passer to help bring on the future of the NFL -- the ghey-ly named 'wildcat'. Remember Kordell (slash)? Gailey took the talent and made it work.
It sounds absurd but I swear if you saw my chalkboard....
agreement
Yes, we probably do agree on most of this. Value is very important in building a roster under the cap. I just think the #3 overall pick is a rare opportunity to get premium talent and that is one time where value is secondary.
I’m sure Pioli will be getting value from the rest of the draft and from any free agent signings. I hope we see some good young veteran free agent pickups.
by Offense of the 70s on Jan 22, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions
i'm getting more sure of a trade down
crabtree won’t drop past 4, and everybody knows it. HUGE bargaining chip. Chiefs could trade this pick and get two offensive lineman, or 1 and 1 on both sides of the trenches. Assuming Gailey is around for awhile and everybody knows it, I believe the Chiefs will draft offense first and make sure that side of the ball is set for a few years. Gailey’s offensive mind is currently the Chief’s strongest coaching asset.
Chan Gailey is the only guy with the balls to draft Tebow as a HB/TE/2nd QB and actually USE him that way -- alongside a pure passer to help bring on the future of the NFL. It sounds absurd but I swear if you saw my chalkboard....
REMEMBER: On average, a professional team should win the championship about 1 time in 30 years. So how demanding should we be of our college head coaches?

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