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Catching up on the Chiefs' Head Coach Rumors

342-pioli2 Leading up to the hiring of Scott Pioli as the Kansas City Chiefs GM, these pages were filled with any and every speculation about when and who the Chiefs would hire as their next GM. Being good sports bloggers, we labeled speculation and rumors as such and our anxiety and speculation was rewarded when Scott Pioli came to Kansas City.

Of course, as soon as Pioli was hired, the speculation about Herm Edwards' future began. AP commenter Buck'O laid out the head coach possibilities in a great post from a few days ago. We've all been speculating as to what's going to happen to Herm under the Pioli regime.

Here are the rumors and speculation that have been swirling around the Chiefs' head coaching position.

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Initial rumors - Kirk Ferentz, Jim Schwartz, Josh McDaniels and Steve Spagnuolo

As soon as Scott Pioli was hired, Adam Schefter of NFL.com began the head coach speculation. Schefter mentioned Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz, Titans DC Jim Schwartz and Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.

Since then, Schwartz has been hired as  the head coach of the Detroit Lions. Spagnuolo is the new Rams head coach. And the Kirk Feretnz talk has dropped off dramatically, likely meaning the Iowa head coach won't leave the Hawkeye state.

Then Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels was also a big time rumor candidate, having worked with Pioli in New England.

More speculation - Paul Pasqualoni, Rex Ryan and Todd Haley

Just a few days ago, Adam Schefter, the main guy around all of this head coach speculation, said that the Chiefs could consider Dolphins defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni. Citing Pasqualoni's ties with Pioli's time as a graduate assistant at Syracuse, Schefter says he's a "person of interest."

Jack Harry, a local KC television personality, mentioned Ravens DC Rex Ryan as a possibility for the Chiefs' head coach position about a week ago. No evidence for Ryan's hire was given. More speculation of course!

Finally, Adam Schefter again delivers another person of interest - Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley.

Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley, a former assistant coach for Scott Pioli’s father-in-law, Bill Parcells, in Dallas, could be thrown into the mix of Chiefs head-coaching candidates, should Herm Edwards not be retained.

Parcells has extolled the virtues of Haley to many around the NFL, and Haley has elevated the Cardinals’ offense to where the team is on the brink of going to its first Super Bowl.

Like Haley, most of these candidates are rumored to be possible Herm replacements based on their connections to Kansas City and Scott Pioli. That's pretty much the strength of all of this speculation.

Maybe Herm will stay

Of course, all of this head coach speculation assumes that Herm Edwards will be let out of contract a year early, which hasn't happened yet.

It's within the realm of possibility that Scott Pioli retains Herm Edwards for one more season, bridging the gap to the 2010 off season. There have already been ten head coaching changes in the NFL this year, meaning there are ten head coaching candidates who will be/have been snatched up by those teams.

Former Patriots offensive coordinator and new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels would have likely been one of Pioli's top choices to replace Herm if he chose to do that. With McDaniels gone, maybe Scott Pioli wants to see what 2010 brings as far as coaching candidates. That means keeping Herm for the fourth and final year of his contract.

The strongest evidence for this scenario is that Hunt and Pioli, had they truly wanted one of the candidates out there for head coach, would have gone out and hired him. Clark Hunt is on a mission to lay the foundation for a true contender and Scott Pioli is the ultimate professional. If they wanted a guy to be the next head coach, they likely could have convinced him to come to Kansas City. Or they would have given reassurance to some of the candidates who eventually did get hired as head coaches by other teams that they were potential head coach candidates in KC. I know the idea of a coaching "hold period" is bit odd but it's something to keep in mind.

Bill Cowher

Part of Herm staying for one more season is, of course, linked to Bill Cowher.

Bill Cowher has gone on record stating that he doesn't plan to coach in the NFL in 2009. Naturally, this had led to speculation that Herm Edwards will be retained for the 2009 season and that Cowher could come to the Chiefs in 2010. I've rarely mentioned Bill Cowher in my front page posts because discussion about him coming to Kansas City has been completely wishful. Until now.

CBS analyst Boomer Esiason said on his WFAN-NY radio show this week that he wouldn’t be surprised if Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli hired Bill Cowher to coach the team in 2010.

Sure, I guess this is a possibility. I don't know how anyone could really think this plan has already been set in motion but it makes sense on the really basic level of 2010 will be Herm's last year and Cowher won't return to football until then.

So, what do we really know?

Get used to this.

Zip. Zilch. Nothing. The Chiefs' GM search and the ridiculousness of the rumors that came during that time are following the head coach speculation. Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli, as they've been doing all along, aren't telling anyone anything.

But we'll still speculate because that's part of what we do. And it's fun.

Here are the candidates I've found so far to be even vaguely associated with the Chiefs' head coach "opening", of head coaching candidates. Those who have already found employment are crossed out.

  • Kirk Ferentz
  • Jim Schwartz
  • Josh McDaniels
  • Steve Spagnuolu
  • Paul Pasqualoni
  • Todd Haley
  • Rex Ryan (Rumored to be the Jets new head coach)
  • Bill Cowher (2010)

Pretty good mix of offensive and defensive minds there. Haley and Ryan are two guys that could be interviewed as early as next weekend, should their teams allow them to do so. Teams are allowed to interview candidates from the two Super Bowl teams during the week before the big game.

Every day that passes without real news, Herm Edwards has to feel more confident that he's going to be around for 2009.

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Its a Chiefs market

Honestly I like what is left on the table better than what’s gone I also think Pioli knows whom his pick is and isn’t feeling any competition for them. Ferentz, Shanahan, Gruden, Haley, Frazier, Pasqualoni is a very good field. This Haley is a nice sleeper.

by FrankPitts on Jan 19, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ryan is not rumored for Jets job, he IS taking the Jets job.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 19, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yep, four year deal.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And the winner is.............

Herman Edwards. Herm will be given the chance to finish what he started and continue the “rebuild” (pound the last nail in the Chiefs coffin). Herm will be expected to coach in order to earn the money for the last year of his contract. This whole rebuild project is being accomplished as cheaply as possible isn’t it? No sense spending any money on the team when people are still coming to the game on Sundays. So what if the team has a miserable season next year, it just means a higher draft pick doesn’t it? I am so frustrated with the piss poor management of this team that I would love to tell Clark Hunt to kiss my ass.

by G.L. on Jan 19, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why don't you?

You can certainly send Hunt a letter.

What did you intend to imply by putting the word ‘rebuild’ in double quotes?

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 19, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Because The "Rebuild" Was A Sham

All the Chiefs did was kick off a bunch of old declining veterans and replace them with younger cheaper players who either weren’t good or or who the coaching staff had no idea how to utilize effectively. So it’s a “rebuild”, not a rebuild.

Can’t speak for G.L., of course, but that’s why I’ve been putting it in quotes.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Doubtful

Herm will get the boot. Romeo will be brought in to fulfill the rooney rule requirement and we’ll end up going with someone like Shanahan.

by Buck'O on Jan 19, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the props, Chris!

It’s crazy how quickly the list of candidates has changed. I wrote that a few days ago and Spags was still on the board. Schefter had just brought up Pasqualoni, but it didn’t have legs yet so I left him off the list and Haley hadn’t really been mentioned.

You expect this kind of a list to evolve as time wears on, but as the candidates become more obscure, it seems like the Herm in ‘09 argument picks up steam. What I mean by that (before you flame!) is that that guys like Pasqualoni and Haley weren’t the type of guys that people were talking about as potential candidates as the regular season wound down. They weren’t overtly on anybody’s radar and the perception is that the stronger coordinator candidates are evaporating on us. Retread coaches typically have question marks about their desire for too much control or even their desire. I’m not by any means in favor of retaining Herm, but from a pure speculative standpoint, it sure seems more likely every day we don’t let him go.

by Buck'O on Jan 19, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

PVChiefsfan,

I meant to imply that the rebuild is not going very well. The “rebuild” is more like a demolition. The talent that has been added has been ill used or ineffectively used with the exception of the defensive backs. The defensive backs appear to be the only area of the team which has actually had adequate coaching. Chan’s changes to the offense have been a stopgap measure to try to utilize what talent there is. The offense has gone into hibernation in the second half and in the third quarter in particular. The culture of losing is gaining a foothold and almost becoming a fixture at Arrowhead. What these players need is a coaching staff and philosophy which is geared toward winning and establishing a go for the throat “killer instinct”. Currently they are coached in the play not to lose the game attitude.

by G.L. on Jan 19, 2009 10:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

By the way,

the play not to lose the game attitude has resulted in………..you guessed it………..blowing the game on numerous occasions.

by G.L. on Jan 19, 2009 10:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Whitlock Likes Haley As Well

Whitlock’s column today also discussed Todd Haley as a candidate for the Chiefs job, and Whitlock apparently likes him a lot. As do I, since his playcalling in the NFC Championship was excellent.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If

If dicklock likes him then we better turn and run the other way.

by DLChiefs on Jan 19, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I say

we just offer the job to whomever wins the superbowl in 2 weeks.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Jan 19, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

true

I was going to suggest we hire the loser of the superbowl as that might be cheaper.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Jan 19, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They were talking about Haley

on 810 this morning talking about multi-tasking. He was arguing with Boldin, while calling a drive for the offense. He can obviously deal with disgruntled players. Did you see the report about Boldin walking off the field after the game? In the PARADES words, what an ass-hat!

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

One Of Many Reasons I Don't Want Him Here

In addition to him being overpriced, injury-prone, aging, and a bit of a malcontent (that sideline display is probably going to screw up any chance of renegotiating his contract). Boldin’s a top 10 receiver, but he’s not worth trading for, as some have wanted to do.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Boldin, LJ in the same locker room

would not be a good deal. Kleenex would run out of product with all the cryin about not getting the ball enough.:)

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha,

I could definitely see that happening.

by We Got Pioli on Jan 19, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

As much as I loved Boldin on my fantasy team I would CRINGE to see him as a Chief…

by KCFanatic on Jan 19, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Happier With Fitzgerald

That guy was money every single week. He never got blanked out and he iced our league’s championship for me with a 30 point performance in the final week. He and Calvin Johnson (both of whom are keepers for me next season along with three really good running backs).

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Who knew a team could get so much value out of a top 5 WR. I usually cringe at WRs early in the 1st round because of the relatively low value they bring.

by Joel Thorman on Jan 19, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DJ made a good point

Take it from the perspective that your top WR may only have 7-8 touches a game.

by Joel Thorman on Jan 19, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DJ's Right

I pretty much built my team’s around DJ’s philosophy (and three of my five likely keepers for next season are running backs…Lynch, Forte, and Slaton). But the league’s evolved so much into a passing league that WR value is changing. And Johnson and Fitzgerald are two guys who are pretty much guaranteed targets every game, which makes them comparable to running backs with 18-20 carries the way our league’s set up (it’s not a points per reception/carry league, we get points for yardage, touchdowns, and some big game bonuses but Johnson and Fitz put up star RB numbers every week). Figure with that core of talent to start with (each keeper costs you one of your top picks, so essentially those five guys are my first five picks for next season) I should have a championship contender for the next four to five years, barring injury of course.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 20, 2009 7:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And

I’ll eventually trade them off as they get older, like I did with LT before last season started.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 20, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two second year coaches in the SB.

One got a SB capable team in the Steelers, the other got the org, that had been laughed at for years. The Cards have steadily ascended under Whisenhunt, we all have known who the Steelers are for a while now.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 10:42 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Relax people!!!!!!!!!!

Look people. Why did Hunt get Pioli. To do this job. He did say that he would shake things up in this organization, but that dont mean it will happen this year. I mean how can Pioli do his job without having a year to watch the team and staff very closely. Im not a HERMAN fan at all, but Im also sure Pioli didnt get where he is by making rash choices by not collecting any evidence to support what ever it is he decides to do. I would rather he take his time and make a good decision, then make one that would put our Chiefs back three to five years

Toby J. Neal

by chiefs24 on Jan 19, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You Can't Actually Put The Chiefs Backwards

Winning 6 games in two years is as bad as it gets in the NFL. What I want is Pioli to start moving the Chiefs forward, and keeping Herm isn’t moving them forward.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that's the great thing about Kleenex,

got plenty of product. You have to go out and make product. So we’ll have to see where that’s at.

by G.L. on Jan 19, 2009 10:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

He-he.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Hermism G.L.!

Not that many of us want to hear many more original.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 11:03 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just trying to add a little humor because I

was getting a little frustrated. Can’t wait until Herm is gone so we at least have a shot at winning.

by G.L. on Jan 19, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I understand, it is frustrating

all the waiting, no word from Arrowhead. Pioli is either keeping Herm, or has got something in the works with another candidate. I am hoping it is the latter, with either Shanahan, or Haley. Then again it could be like the Miami hire with an under the radar candidate like Sparano.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Hope So Too

Although Cam Cameron was fired by this point last year. However, Parcells was on the job for two weeks by that point and Pioli isn’t even through his first week so I think he’s probably doing a review process right now.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

UCrawford, great point

about not going backwards.

by G.L. on Jan 19, 2009 11:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or could they be waiting

on the Miami team purchase to go through, and work on Parcells?!

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think

that parcells would ever really coach again. The executive role suited him just as well without all of the stress

by Buck'O on Jan 19, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows after all it is family.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree.

Keeping Herm isnt gonna move us forward. I just dont think Pioli has had enough time to see what he needs to see as far as team talent, or coaches ability. I think the win loss recored stands alone, but Pioli said he would be thorough, i just dont know what all that will involve.

Toby J. Neal

by chiefs24 on Jan 19, 2009 11:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Eric I am hoping there is

something going on behind the scenes. I have heard somewhere (rumor?) that Shanahan has actually contacted Pioli about the Chiefs job if it were to come open.

by G.L. on Jan 19, 2009 11:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Story Was

That Shanahan contacted the Chiefs before Pioli was hired. No idea if it were true or (even if it were true) if he’s still interested.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There was also the one

where Pioli, and Shanahan actually spoke.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was a Denver radio station that put that one out.

I am pretty sure that Jack Harry was the one who said Shanahan contacted the Chiefs prior to Pioli.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 19, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wat I like about Haley and his situation is that this makes Jerry Jones look like the self centered ass he is. Those that really follow these things will remember a similar incident between Haley and TO in Dallas. Jones ends up keeping TO and lost Haley.

by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 19, 2009 11:17 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Keep Herm - Dump Gunther

I know injuries killed us on Defense this year, but in reality, Gunther has been spinning his wheels for 3 seasons. We need a back-to-basics DC who can teach guys to tackle first. Gunther’s defenses lack the basics of tackling and postitioning. A good DC will give Herm some job security..

by pablou on Jan 19, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

We Won't Need To Dump Gunther, Apparently

Looks like he’s Detroit’s main target.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Coaching candidates

Aside from the pipe dream that is Cowher the candidates available next year ,aside from firings, will be same ones available now, so why wait?

by FrankPitts on Jan 19, 2009 11:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You can go ahead and scratch Ferentz off the list.

He and his family (including his son, a freshman on the team) have it great in Iowa City. There is really nothing I’ve seen you can offer him to get him to leave at this point. He is very well paid for a college guy, so the financial jump wouldn’t be huge unless you significantly overpay. He has great endorsements and rockstar celebrity status in the whole state of Iowa since there are no pro teams in any sport to compete with. He has a young team with a bright future, which will raise his stock even more in the next few years. Pioli isn’t his only friend. People act like he doesn’t have a ton of ties to Iowa too.

Why would any college coach at a legit and relevant school want to get into the coaching carousel that is the NFL today? Certainly not one with as good of a gig as Ferentz has now. Maybe the only thing that he doesn’t like at Iowa are the off-field issues of the past years…but it isn’t like he is going to escape that down there with LJ and the boys.

Maybe try again in 3-4 years. Definitely not gonna happen now.

Go Hawks!

by CUNKNNK on Jan 19, 2009 12:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ferentz

Unlike in the past he hasn’t shot things down. So who knows?

by FrankPitts on Jan 19, 2009 1:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Herm

Actually, Herm does a pretty good job in the draft. Last year nearly all the draftees played. The year before was solid. He sucks as a gameday coach but I’m sure he is bringing Pioli up to speed on our roster. When that is done then Pioli will decide Herm’s fate. I think Clark feels a sense of responsibility to Herm for signing off on the rebuilding plan. Herm stays one more year IMO and we have a solid draft and are active in free agency and have a good year. He still will get the hook next year and we get Cowher. Just my take.

by irish101 on Jan 19, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So we have an assitant GM?

That’s great, but we don’t need Herm to help SP get talent. We do however, need a coach who can get his team to capitolize on oppurtunities to win.

just keep matriculating the ball down the field !

by SoCalChief on Jan 19, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

It’s not about stockpiling talent, it’s about acquiring talent that you can turn into a good team. Herm doesn’t turn them into a good team.

And he’s not all that great at finding talent either.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Herm's Drafting

2006:
Tamba Hali: has regressed every year in the league, looking like a bust
Bernard Pollard: starter
Brodie Croyle: bust
Marcus Maxey: bust
Jeff Webb: bust
Tre Stallings: bust
Jarrad Page: starter

2007:
Dwayne Bowe: starter
Turk McBride: reserve with 1 sack in two years, looking like a bust
Tank Tyler: fringe starter who has failed to impress…also looking like a bust
Kolby Smith: injury prone and unproductive, averaged less than 3 yards a carry this year before injury
Justin Medlock: bust
Herb Taylor: reserve on a bad offensive line
Michael Allan: reserve who produced nothing before getting cut this year

So the two draft classes of Herm’s in Kansas City that we can rate don’t show him to be anything special as a talent evaluator unless you’re talking about defensive backs. He’s done a pretty terrible job at drafting other positions and at developing that talent. That’s problematic when your team is building from the draft.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 19, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you UC

With the exception of our #1 picks, just about every guy who does not look like a bust plays in the secondary. (that includes 2008)

by KHAZAD on Jan 20, 2009 5:43 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why do we keep quoting Schefter?

The guy just throws out the latest rumors without any rhyme or reason! He changes his mind more often than a teenage girl!

by KHAZAD on Jan 20, 2009 5:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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