Pioli Hire Might Cause Turnover in Chiefs Personnel Department
by Joel Thorman on Jan 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST
in 2009 Kansas City Chiefs Offseason
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PrintThere has been a plethora of speculation regarding which members of the coaching staff will be retained and/or which ones will be let go in the event that Herm Edwards is out as the Kansas City Chiefs head coach.
The fate of the coaching staff is contingent on whether Edwards is fired and what kind of offense/defense the new head coach would run. Maybe the new head coach is buddies with Tim Krumrie and he's retained despite the perception that he under-performed as a defensive line coach this season.
The point is that we just don't know. There are too many factors to be looking at coaching staff decisions like that when the head coach isn't even completely determined. However, one area we can review is the personnel department, both college and pro.
Your two main men are Chuck Cook (Director of College Scouting) and Ray Farmer (Director of Pro Personnel).
via www.kcchiefs.com
Director of College Scouting - Chuck Cook
Years with organization: 25
Cook spent the first 13 years of his career in Kansas City as a southeast regional scout. In May of 1997 he was promoted to Director of College Scouting, a post he's held ever since.
The Chiefs drafting efforts in the last decade has been average, at best. Ultimately the responsible falls on the one who has final say in the war room (Carl Peterson), but Cook wasn't doing something right, not being assertive enough or just plain average at his job. We'll probably never know but Pioli's past history would indicate that he won't tolerate mediocrity.
The rest of the college scouting staff:
Regional Scout/Scouting Coordinator - Bruce Lemmerman
Scouts - Terry Delp, Cornell Gowdy, Mike Hagen, Matt Littlefield, Greg Olejack, Willie Davis
Administrative Assistant to the Vice President of Player Personnel - Rosalind Ward
via www.kcchiefs.com
Director of Pro Personnel - Ray Farmer
Years with organization: 3
Farmer is relatively new to the scouting scene having been drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles in 1996 in the 4th round. A knee injury sidelined him and ultimately ended his career.
However, he caught on as a pro scout with the Falcons for 4 years before being the first Director of Pro Personnel in the Herm Edwards era.
Farmer's duties include scouting all players with professional experience including the NFL, NFL Europe and Canadian leagues.
Quality free agent acquisitions in the Farmer era have been scarce and trades have been even scarcer (is "scarcer" the comparative for scarce??).
The rest of the pro personnel staff:
Pro Personnel Assistant - Marcus Edwards
Player Personnel Assistants - Kurtis Bell, Scott Aligo and Rod Perry
Player Personnel IT Specialist - David McOsker
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I'm not as down on Farmer
As I am Cook.
Cook’s been here long enough that we know what he can do and the results haven’t been too great. I admit I don’t know how much of a role he had in recent drafts, but he’s still been part of a draft team that’s produced average (at best) results in his tenure.
Chuck did pretty good except for our 3rd round. We got two awesome Corners and one of them was in the 5th. Albert is a good Tackle and could even move inside. 3rd i think he bombed which hurts alot. Cottam did nothing. Charles did something but never enough and for some reason i cant even remember who else we got. Glenn could pan out in a good d system
That's just the last year
What about the last 12?
by Joel Thorman on Jan 16, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
But we are back to
Where is the fault in the drafts? Is it with the scouting, or with the guys at the top pulling the trigger on who gets picked.
During the Vermeil years the scouts frequently complained that Vermeil completely ignored them when they warned him about certain players and recommended others.
One of those things only the guys on the inside know the truth about.
Cottam isn't going to produce ... yet.
Cottam’s being groomed to replace Tony Gonzalez. Similar size, similar skills. Don’t expect to see a lot out of him until Tony G. is out the door and on his way to Canton.
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
cottam
Needs to play now and much more he is very good
by sexassassin on Jan 16, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
If we can get some decent play out of him
and line him up on the opposite side of TonyG it would massively help in our lame-ass running game.
I’m so weary of players that aren’t expected to produce now because they’re in development. My God, it’s the NF-friggin’-L.
cottam
He did pretty good in preaseason i was really expecting alot of good things out of him but im so tired of easing guys into the system you live and you die in the nfl with your performance . Throw the guy in the lions den he became a pro to play and that just goes for any players thigpen is a great example thigs first game was probably thee worst outing i have ever seen in my life but in my head i was like i hope we leave him out there that way he can learn . And now he improved could be a starter just like brady he just came out new the system and didnt skip a beat. you are in the nfl because you should be there . brady quinn hes trash always will be if they dont let him just play taking a guy in and out just is not going to get it done in my opinion it makes no sense and the guy get to nervouse cuz you have the hook on the side lines let him play .
by sexassassin on Jan 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Plus, our second comming of T-Rich didn’t do much good, so a two TE set would go miles in improving our run game. Throw his butt out there and make him contribute.
If you are referring to Mike Cox
I think the change in the scheme affected his opportunities on the field.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
exactly
The guy can play and he has good hands as much as herm was raving about the guy you think they would give him more chances i dont know let a real coach get out there and punch all these guys in the face and we would be fine.
by sexassassin on Jan 16, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
First off
They we’re rookies..Cottam I think will be a good TE in this league..He can catch and run..He won’t be tony gonzalez but neither is anyone else..I think we’ve seen enough in Charles to believe he can be something pretty special…Sure he didn’t produce rookie of the year number, but he showed enough to where you know he’s got a lot of potential..He’s only 22.
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 16, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Right
That was Herm’s philosophy but there were a few young guys that it didn’t seem to apply to. Cottam and Cox weren’t in the mix enough. WTF? Why not them when everyone else got in there?
Cox.
Cox was out there a lot. And, when he was out there, he was contributing and making plays.
( And, by making plays, I mean making it so that other guys — like LJ or Charles — could make plays. )
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
You're probably right
Seems like he faded down the stretch. Sorta became invisible as we committed to the spread. I had bigger hopes for the guy. Smart kid, strong as a bull and works hard. It was such a nightmare year, it’s probably going to be tough to evaluate allot of guys.
LJ?
LKJ gave up on this team months ago, he could find his way through a hole if his life depended on it I don’t care whoe “COX” opened the whole for him. The only hole he is could at using is the mouth he used to spit drinks on women. LJ SUCKS
Pardon me a minute, but ...
… how exactly do you manage to screw up the difference between ‘could’ and ‘good’ ?
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
As it was announced Wednesday
Fresh Start, Fresh set of eyes, a new beginning
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Exactly lanier
Thats exactly what this team needs a fresh start
by sexassassin on Jan 16, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Where does Kuharich fit in all this?
what is his official title?
I know he, Carl, and the head coach are the three guys in the war room during the draft.
I think Kuharich fits into the “dump” category.
This executive office has become so stale and mired in failure that a complete house-cleaning needs to take place. I do like Herm, and I’ll bet Clark Hunt does too, so I wouldn’t mind seeing Edwards “promoted” to an office job. Two birds (getting Edwards out of the HC position, and filling a position that requires good character and a decent eye for talent) with one stone, see?
by burntorangehorn on Jan 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Personally I think
that Pioli is going to bring in his own scouts, guys he knows and trusts their scouting abilities.
I read somewhere about Scott that he wasn’t big on numbers. He likes to personally go out and watch these young guys and see if he thinks they can actually play football as he sees it.
I have an idea
since Pioli may be looking for employees for all front office jobs, is there a member of AP who would be interested if a job opening comes available? You could have the best of both worlds; a paycheck from the Chiefs with possible inside info and be a member of AP and share that info with us!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
Ok already, if you don't agree with what I am saying, just don't email my mom again. She beat the crap out of me with my keyboard!
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
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