KC QB
by SoCalChief on Jan 15, 2009 5:04 PM CST
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PrintSome random thoughts on the Chiefs QB situation I would like your comments on;
- Drafting a QB is high-risk and expensive. Historically, more first round QB’s bust than pan out. Isn’t the evil that you know better than the evil that you don’t know? Thigpen has shown some signs of quality play, we could get an insurance policy in the late rounds.
- Could Matt Cassel be a solution? I can’t see New England needing him next year and with Pioli’s relationship with the Pats perhaps we could get him without giving away the farm.
- If things don’t pan out in the QB position the 2009 season is not going to be a whole lot better season than 2008 was, next years QB class looks much better than this years.
- With a solid O-line and a dependable defense ANY QB can look good, here are some names where I think the team makes the QB look better than they really are; Flacco, Rothlisberger, Pennington, Ryan, Romo, E. Manning, Garcia AND Griese.
Here’s my view; Thigpen starts next year unless they get Cassel in which case they compete. If a veteran is brought in he should be a back-up only, why rebuild around anything other than a young QB with some potential. Draft defense and offensive line. Get a QB in 2010 if Thigpen busts, by then we will know exactly who the new Kansas City Chiefs really are.
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Express my surprise and disappointment that you people did not seem to smell the level of suckitude. Watch a game tape. Watch his head and where he throws the ball. Watch him miss easy short throws and not have the touch to set a long one in there. A least some quarterbacks have all the throws. Thigpen has one of the throws. His accuracy, in a gimmicky offense that cannot win that was built FOR HIM because it was the way he could be the most successful was below NFL standards. Under Center, it was below Ryan Leaf standards. He is also a choker. It is killing me to hear people speaking of him as a viable option.
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Thigpen made rookie mistakes that can be corrected during the offseason by good coaching. Also we scored points and lost games because of the defense not offense. Please go easy on me since this is my first comment here.
He's not a rookie. He was in his second year
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
Welcome black mamba.
Although I’m gonna disagree.
I think it’s easy to blame our defense for losing those games, but I think you have to give them credit for us being in the games in the first place. Our TO margin was too good for a team being only 2-14, and I think a lot of that has to be blamed on the offense not capitalizing, not squarely on the shoulders of the defense.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Jan 15, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
+1
You’re not the only one.
Thigpen constantly locked in on his primary receiver, and had multiple passes sail on him each game. Yeah it’s a nice story, but it’s not a solution. The whole reason for taking a snap in shotgun or the PISTOL is to give the quarterback more time to throw (part of the reason for this is because of our shitty line) and give the quarterback time to go through his reads and find the open receiver. Thigpen has yet to prove he can do this.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Jan 15, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
more time to throw
if you read some of bob gretz article he talked about how he watched game tape and thigpen was throwing the ball within 2.5 seconds to about 2.8 …..thats not a lot of time
by DT58forever on Jan 15, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
I agree mamba!!!!!!!!
if we can’t get a Castle type QB, then we need to allow Thiggy some time to develop. Not even Matt Castle could have played well with the O line we had last year. Shore up the line so our QB can sit in the pocket and have a cup of coffee like Castle could this year and we may see a different result from Thigpen. It makes alot of difference.
Toby J. Neal
And so your soltion would be? (Khazad)
I don’t disagree with many parts of your analysis. Do you really think any of the FA QB’s we could get, or a rookie QB in the draft would not have issues as well? Perhaps even more than Thigpen. You can certainly thoroughly breakdown a QB, aim your bionic eye at a solution and see what you can come up with.
Some make it happen, some watch it happen, some say; "what happened?". Which one is Mr. Pioli?
SoCalChief
SoCal
I just noticed your reply. First take a look at my more complete breakdown
I do not know who is the best solution. I DO know this: It was irresponsible to head into 2008 without upgrading the QB position. It would be much more irresponsible to do it again.
There were FA QB’s who would have been an upgrade last year, & there will be again.
Pioli has shown that he likes to add QB’s through the draft, and the Chiefs are therefore likely to draft a QB this year. If there is not someone they like at #3, they will just pick one up with a later pick. (either taking another need at 3 or trading down.
The Chiefs have come one spot away from drafting a “Franchise” type QB the last two years. (Quinn, Ryan) They probably would be better served with either one on the roster because other holes are easier to fill.
It is my opinion that they should address the QB through free agency as well as the draft, and I feel that they will.
They may not take a “franchise” guy, but they will upgrade. If they do this, and Tyler still wins the job, then more power to him. I do not believe that he can.
Historically, more first round QB’s bust than pan out. Isn’t the evil that you know better than the evil that you don’t know?
Let’s JUST look at #1 pick QB’s. Just one spot. Historically 40% of those QB’s picked in the #1 spot took their teams to the SB. I like those odds.
As far as drafting in the first round….Chiefs have been afraid to draft a QB in the first round since the Todd Blackedge fiasco before the king came on board. That’s over 20 years.
We need to quit being afraid of drafting a high draft QB. San Diego busted with Leaf. Did they shy away? Nope they drafted Manning and got a good deal since he wanted to leave. They drafted Rivers who statistically was the #1 QB this year. Let’s go into the first pick of the second round by SD…Drew Brees. Arguably a very “thin” draft for QB’s. Did they shy away? Nope.
Don’t fear the position in the draft. Use the draft to your advantage and get it done.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
Thigpen
Thigpen is as good as most QB’s with the offensive line he had to played with. I doubt if Cassel would have played any better if he play for the Chiefs this year.
QB's
Now we are in another slippery situation with multiple quarterbacks all competing for the job. Currently we have Thigpen, Croyle, and Gray. Then if we draft a QB, which we should not with the #3 pick, we will have another guy thrown into the mix.
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It wouldnt make a difference if you drafted a reincarnation of Joe Montana. If all he can get is a two step drop before he gets sacked, or hurried then yeah he is gonna make mistakes. Does anybody think if we would have drafted Flacco that he would have been in the playoffs this year? Idont think so. Shore up the O line man. Dont waste a pick on a QB yet.
Toby J. Neal
Give Thiggy time.....
Thiggy could turn out to be a solid NFL qb….given time, good coaching and a better o-line…ya he made some bad throws but you have to expect that from essentially a rookie qb…with a full training camp and the many of work outs that he’ll go through he can get his timing down as well as working on better foot work to improve his accuracy….he’ll get those 1 on 1 with d-bowe and TG…We need defence bottom line……
1st round pick
Unless Pioli is completely sold on either Stafford or Sanchez the Chiefs won’t draft a QB with the 3rd overall pick. I think they will probably go with Aaron Curry from Wake Forest, he’s the complete package at linebacker and the kind of playmaker and leader on defense that has been missing since Derrick Thomas. The patriots have a history of spending their first round picks on offensive and defensive linemen until drafting this season’s defensive rookie of the year, linebacker Jerod Mayo. I think that Mayo’s success will lead Pioli to go with Curry who is much more polished than Mayo was a year ago.
+2
Totally agree. Don’t know why, but I instantly think of Mayo when I hear Curry’s name.
Something about coming from a school not known for its defense and just being an absolute stud makes me think a guy can play no matter what.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Jan 16, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
If we do!!
If we do draft a qb, Graham Harrell From Texas Tech would be the a great fit…….
Graham Harrell | QBScouts Grade: Insider Only2008 NCF STATS
SCHOOL RATING YARDS TOUCHDOWNS
Texas Tech 160.04 5,111 45
Matt Cassell
Don’t count on Cassell, there are stories that have been reported stating that NE could have the Franchise Tag put on him. Because their are stories that Tom Brady isn’t recovering like they expect him to. He had his knee surgery done by a non-NFL doctor and developed complications from it. The infection could have compromised the graph of his knee I think he has had two surgeries on that knee. NE isn’t happy that Brady had that knee operated on by a non NFL doctor. He could be out another year.
Don't believe everything you read
In regards to Tom Brady. There are many contradictory reports, with some saying he’s behind schedule and others saying his rehab is progressing as expected. They are also not upset by the doctor he chose.
I would expect Cassel to be traded if he does get franchised (barring any setbacks to Brady, of course) because it’s highly unlikely the Pats will want to commit $29 million at the QB position.
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