Lions' New Coach all but Commits to QB with #1 Pick
by Joel Thorman on Jan 15, 2009 5:07 PM CST
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Earlier today, Detroit Lions COO Tom Lewand released a statement announcing Jim Schwartz as the team's next head coach. No more than a few hours later while speaking to the Detroit media, he dropped some not-so-subtle hints about the Lions' plans for the #1 overall pick in April's draft.
Specifically on the #1 overall pick in April, he said:
"I think the important thing is finding the right person. I don’t think you tie yourself into positions. Obviously, there’s a lot of needs. I think obviously the most important position on the team is quarterback. It’s probably time to find a replacement for Bobby Layne."
Not convinced that he's all but saying quarterback will be the pick?
"Quarterback is the trump card of all positions in the NFL. If you have a good quarterback, you can cover up a lot of other areas on your team. If you don’t have a great quarterback, you have to be really good in a lot of other areas. So I think if you ask anybody in the NFL the most important position, it’s going to be quarterback. … People always ask when there’s a young quarterback, ‘Do you play him right away, or do you let him sit on the bench?’ And the answer is: It depends."
With Sam Bradford heading back to Oklahoma, early draft reports would indicate Georgia QB Matt Stafford as the guy.
What does this mean for the Chiefs?
It means quarterback is likely not a realistic option with the 3rd overall pick. If a change is going to be made, it'll likely get done through free agency, although the quality quarterback market dries up quickly (if it was ever there in the first place).
March 1st is the first full day of free agency. There might actually be a few options too. Although some might still re-sign with their team here a few quarterbacks heading into 2009 without a contract.
- Kurt Warner (Reportedly talking with the Cards after the season)
- Matt Cassel (Possibly being franchised)
- Kerry Collins (Still no decision on extension from the Titans)
- Jeff Garcia
- Kyle Boller
- J.P. Losman
Tyler Thigpen doesn't seem too bad right now.
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Not In The First Round
Too short of a track record.
But there are quite a few promising candidates who’ll be there in the later rounds (and Pioli’s had success with finding those). I’m pretty sure the Chiefs will be drafting a QB this year to push Thigpen for his job. Although I’m also okay if Thigpen starts next season too, or even keeps the job if he improves on this year’s performance.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 15, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've been reading
He’s a reach at #3. Consensus seems to be later first round early second. I have serious doubts about him being available in the second, but if he is I’d love to see us get him.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has the look!
Sanchez has the look but looking at the recent history of USC starting quaterbacks I’d be a bit worried. Other than Carson Palmer the last ones leave something to be desired. John David Booty rode pine all year, and Leinart could not get it . The best one you can say is Cassel and he never even started a game. I am a bit worried that Sanchez might be a bust due to his lack of playing time.
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to get a bit reduntant but...
I’m wild about Sanchez. He’s a reach at #3 but I’d trade our second and whatever else it takes to move back up into the late first round to take him.
Proud to be a part of the Conference of Champions and their complete bowl season domination.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 15, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so if we take Sanchez
with our early round two pick (if he’s still there), where do you plan to get a solid RT to block for the guy? Rd 2 is probably where we will be looking for our new RT, with rounds 3 and 4 devoted to interior linemen (or a ‘spread’ QB). If we take Sanchez in round 2 instead, we will either need to continue to employ Sackintosh or find somebody in free agency.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 16, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
Rd 2 is definitly the spot too find a RT, or at least a Guard/Center like Mack/Unger/Herman Johnson if no RTs are available. If we stay with the same offense, I really like Grahm Harrell in the third round. And it makes no sense to trade away picks to move up, we have WAY to many needs to give away draft picks. Especially for a QB who played with a great defense and wasnt really challenged all year, except for the Oregon State game(which they lost).
We CAN BUILD ON THIS(without Herm)!
by bradelli58 on Jan 17, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our best bet
is the draft in R3 and up.
As for free agency, I don’t like anyone particularly. I’m content with Cassel, Carr, or Boller though
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 15, 2009 5:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Carr and Boller?
In what kind of role? Though I don’t necessarily disagree, I just see those two as afterthoughts when considering a starting QB.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 15, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously
Cassel is starter material. Carr has improved in NY more than folks realize, whereas Boller is the same ol’ Kyle he’s always been. I could see Carr compete for a starting gig but Boller is definitely #2-#3 material and you just don’t pay for guys like him. I would take Boller over Croyle 9 days a week though
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 15, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Boller > Croyle
Although any quarterback that can play at least half a season is better than Croyle in my eyes.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 15, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boller
is just way too inconsistent. He has his moments though, and can get the job done, but nobody you want to be hinging your season on. He’s good at coming in on relief. I see him going to a team that already has their franchise QB and will only carry 2 QB’s on the active roster, like the Giants did all last year
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 15, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have more pressing needs
Both lines and a pass rush. If we have an 0-line that can protect a moderately tallented QB then we’ll put up a few more wins based on that alone.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 5:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I also concur.
The more I watch clips of him, the more I’m convinced that he is more prepared for the NFL than Maualuga (e.g., wrap up, form, strength, etc.).
by Ilamuku on Jan 15, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
i’m totally set on LB as our first pick. i just don’t know which LB… Maualuga, Laurinaitus, or Curry?
by ManDude on Jan 15, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely NOT Laurianitis.
He is just too weak. If you watch the clips on him, he doesn’t deliver the final blow on plays like Maualuga or Curry. But I definitely think Curry is the real deal and will move up the draft boards as we draw closer to April.
by Ilamuku on Jan 15, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curry is the pick!
Curry is a great LB prospect. He is one of the most sure-fire prospects this year, and he will have a huge impact for whatever team takes him. And the best part is he is so versatile. He can excel in either a 4-3 or a 3-4. Considering that the Chiefs are basically gonna blow up the whole Defensive coaching staff and start over, this versatility is perfect for our team needs.
We CAN BUILD ON THIS(without Herm)!
by bradelli58 on Jan 17, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm SOLD! The Kansas City Chiefs with the 3rd pick select LB Aaron Curry from Wake Forest!
The guy looks like the next LT!
Our defense will immediately improve in ’09 with this guy. Been hearing alot about this guy all over the draft boards, I know why now.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 16, 2009 3:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Draftcountdown.com
lists players ranked with numbers of stars…projected first round picks have 4 stars
Curry has 5 stars – “elite prospect”
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Aaron-Curry.php
They also have him ranked as the #1 senior in the draft
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 16, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
An awesome
FanShot with some clips here.
by Ilamuku on Jan 16, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Later Rounds!
Quaterback will be determined on the type of offense we choose to run. You can always find good prospects in later rounds. I am not sure that there is a can’t miss guy but then again I never thought Flaco or Ryan would be as good as they were!
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Flacco
seems way too overrated. Any QB (yes, maybe even Brodie) would look good on Baltimore’s team right now. I think Flacco should win the award for “Best QB who doesn’t have to do anything.”
by kcchiefs86 on Jan 15, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WE look
Like idiots for not taking flacco. the scary thing is if we had that guy we wouldent know what to do with him thats what makes me think our coaching staff must go.
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Redemption
will come when we make a coaching change that will bring in a system that Dorsey is better suited to.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure we look like idiots
1) Thigpen isn’t too shabby of a find
2) There is a good chance that Flacco would look less good were he behind our line
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 15, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Less good"?
He’d be broken behind our line.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
by Mully on Jan 16, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we look like
Idiots we have dorsey who looks confused out there or is wearing a boat chain at the line he dont move on the play once again i dont know if its our scheme or just him or he is hurt? And flacco has as many playoff wins as we have wins in the season . And he is way taller than thigpen and throws a way better deep ball and he actually can take a snap under center . So we do look like idiots we are playing a high school football Offense he has cam cameron one of the best offense minds in the game and he is flurishing as you can see . So would flacco be a bust with kc maybe like i said i dont know if we would know what to do with him if we had him.
by sexassassin on Jan 16, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that
Kyle Boller, Steve McNair, Troy Smith, and Chris Redman would prove otherwise
(i.e. Baltimore QBs have sucked since Trent Dilfer)
by stag on Jan 15, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Troy Smith was looking good all preseason but got injured and that’s how Flacco got the starting job.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Jan 16, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Garcia
would make me vomit. God I’ve always hated him……….
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 15, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
garcia
I would take garcia in a heart beat
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus H.!!!!
And T.O. said he was gay!
by Buck'O on Jan 16, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carmen DeCasaer, she is smokin!
Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!
by Eric Allen on Jan 16, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice watch ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 16, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sad thing is
T O is gay always will be you will never see jeff garcia cry at a press conference for his reciever that was teh gayest thing i ever seen . T O crying over tony homo . T O is so gay.
by sexassassin on Jan 16, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
simple fact
Jeff Garcia FINDS ways to win games, they’re not always glamorous, but he seems to get the job done…. also alot of fire for a man his age. I wouldn’t mind him. But I’d like to see what thiggy can do with proper leadership.
Hello Pioli........ goodbye Herm!!!!
by cx2chad on Jan 15, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's Almost 40
And he wasn’t that good this year. No thanks, we’re better off giving Thigpen the job or drafting someone.
The QBs that suit KC in this free agent class pretty much start and stop with Matt Cassel. If he’s not available or would cost us too much, then we’re better off going with Thigpen, Gray and a drafted QB (or two).
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 15, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The O-line won't improve overnight...
…so Garcias ability to scramble would be a plus. This is the same reason why Thigpen had some success this year. I don’t like Garcia as a starter, but with our pass protection we can’t carry enough QB’s and Garcia could step in if the starting QB (whom ever that is) goes down and still give us a chance to win. If we can’t get Cassel, Garcia is good insurance.
Some make it happen, some watch it happen, some say; "what happened?". Which one is Mr. Pioli?
SoCalChief
by SoCalChief on Jan 15, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After the coach is decided!
We really need to see if Herm stays and if he does will he continue to implement the spread. If so you can work with Thigpen and draft other needs. If a new coaching staff comes in with a new offense it might be wise to sign a veteran and draft a rookie in a later round to sit for a year along with thigpen. I believe Thigpen at least deserves a shot to work the entire offseason learning how to be a QB. Man it all comes back to coaching. Can Dick Curl coach a QB?
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Case closed
Thats why we need to fire this staff fuck
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At least most...
I have a feeling that Herm might stay as long as he fires most of the staff.
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that you can't reach.
QBs drafted in the later round have about as good a track record as those drafted in the first. I’d be fine with Thigpen having a full year in the offseason program as long as you bring in someone to compete with him, and, bolster the talent around him, particularly the right side of the OL. We’re fine with Albert on Waters on the left, but the right needs some help.
DE, OL, LB. Add high-quality starters in these three areas, get Gun out of there and fix the defense, and 8 or 9 wins in 2009 is not out of the question, with legitimate SB contention the goal for 2010 and well beyond.
by DonnyDonovan on Jan 15, 2009 5:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Senior Bowl
You know there is going to be some QB whose stock rises after the senior bowl practices and games. Isn’t that what happened with Flaco?
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Flacco
was pretty muched bashed and they said he was unpolished i dont even think if mike mayock thought he could do this good he was the guy with upside but didnt think he could start right away he proved them wrong
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith?
What about trading for Troy Smith? By all accounts i read he was slated to start for the Ravens this year but then came down with tonsilitis (or something) in training camp clearing the way for Flacco. Now that Flacco’s doing well maybe Smith is expendable. I think they got him in the 5th round so they might not ask for too much in return?
by ChiefsfaninVan on Jan 15, 2009 5:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's Just As Likely To Be Waived As Kept
And he wasn’t all that great when he could play. No sense in the Chiefs trading for a questionable QB when they can draft one.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Jan 15, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
troy
Ya good point you would pretty much break even i rather have thigpen then troy.
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tj whosurmomma
Isnt that guy a free agent can we get that guy i would take him over crabtree all day long that guy is going to get paid for sure.
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's getting up there
his game will probably fall off before he makes a big-money deal worth it. I’d rather not.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely love the idea of drafting Graham Harrell
Lots of college playing time, pretty consistent, and would look great in our spread offense.
by Vince D on Jan 15, 2009 5:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If...
If they keep the spread he would be a good pick in later rounds.
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
if we’re not keeping the spread then it might not pay off as well.
by Vince D on Jan 15, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold on the spread concept just yet
I see too many argue the point that so many QB’s can’t succeed without the spread. That’s never kept QB’s in the past from succeeding. Hell, I’m not even convinced that Thigpen can only play in the spread. He came in in a pinch and it worked, but I think with enough work, he could grock something more traditional. I think people are making too much out of it. That being said, I think our possibilities are greater than many of us realize.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont mind
I dont mind if its some times even elway used it alot when he really need to move the ball or every other play but damn we are sitting ducks if we use it all the time if we can set the running game and use the spread it makes sense.
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spread
I think we need to limit this spread honestly its doesnt help set up our run game. And it seems like a huge crutch for our weak o line.
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it could really open up the run game
Especially if we are transitioning to more Charles and less LJ
by Vince D on Jan 15, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a new right side
will do more for opening up the run
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
But new england uses it a lot and they get huge runs out of it . I dont know if its england o line which is probably the case or the way cassel and brady fake it ,they like head fake or even pretend to look down field . Thigpen always gives the ball up right away and we get no gains everytime .
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure
but they don’t rely on the spread exclusively either. I think Thigpen showed a solid ability to learn and improve. Take that into the off-season and correct it. I’m not a huge Thigpen fan by any means, but he’s what we have right now and the prospects aren’t looking all that great. Unless this changes, we should be pragmatic and prepare the kid as the starter for next year. He’s gonna have to expand his game if he’s going to survive and if we use all of that cap room to surround him with some better talent, he stands a good chance of getting it done.
I don’t see the spread as the answer.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya agree
Thigpen has to be the man for now and hey if he works out then great i think he has a better chance than any unproven rookie i rather build an o line and a d before getting a big time qb
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Too much is being made of it. As I stated above, I think too many people are making too much out of it just because it made a positive impact in a pinch. We don’t have to run a spread just because things improved with it when our third-stringer came in. Give the kid an entire year to work his ass off on it and I think he’ll be fine. It’s not all or nothing.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree also
If thigpen improved as much s he did during the season, he could do even more with an offseason and preseason games. Hopefully dude hired someone and is working right now!
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Run game
Yeah we need a run game. Last year it was too inconsistent. Running back might be a draft need if LJ is gone. Kolby and Charles could work.
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kolby
Is weak to me he is a gym class hero . Just my opinion
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Charles is interesting
But he better spend his entire off-season in the weight room.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
charles
Is cool i thought he would break a couple more though and catch more balls out of the back field but never worked we were horrible at screen and that use to be our money play.
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're blaming the "spread"...
On the lack of a running game this season? The weak O-lne you cited was the cause of that. The spread was cobbled together to get /something/ going on offense.
I’m pleased to see more people coming around to my point of view regarding drafting a QB, I must admit. ;-)
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better next season.
A rookie QB drafted at #3 has less than a %5 chance of starting Game one of '09. Slotting holdouts will prevent him from competing with Thigpen.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 16, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic news!
Let the Lions take Stafford. He sucks. I dont want the Chiefs to even be tempted into drafting him. The dudes a clown. Now the Chiefs can zero in on OL or LB or Crabtree with that #3 pick
by ArrowDread on Jan 15, 2009 5:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree?
I thought about that but is hard for a 1st year receiver to make an impact. Dude does have that Fitzgerald potential. Think of what he could do with Bowe in a couple of years. Free agency will determine the way we draft. Pioli is smart and has tons of money. He could fill line holes via free agency and draft a skill player.
by Nelly on Jan 15, 2009 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like Crabtree.
And, I’d be alright if we took him at #3 because, as you’ve said, the kid looks like the next Fitzgerald and, paired with Bowe (and Gonzalez), that’s a hell of a combo.
The problem is, I also like Aaron Curry and I think our Defense is a more pressing need than Wide Receivers.
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
by JacinB on Jan 16, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something we agree on!
I concur…. Jacin crabtree looks damn good sittin there at 3 but i dont think we can pass on Curry
by paratrooper on Jan 16, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading Too Much Into the Quote
Yes, the quotes clearly indicate that Schwartz sees QB as a huge need and a top priority for the team.
But I think it is taken too far in this article.
a.) It’s unlikely that Schwartz has done any significant scouting of Stafford given the Titans just got eliminated last week
b.) Why would he tip his hand like that? Misinformation and deception are extremely common leading up to draft day.
c.) The second quote could apply to a 2nd round pick or to their second first round pick.
d.) The first quote is about the #1 pick, but re-read it. It’s not nearly as definitive. In fact, he says it is important NOT to get locked into a certain position.
As for Stafford being a Chief: we paid Pioli big bucks to be the decision-maker. He knows a hell of a lot more about football than me. If he says Stafford’s the guy, I’m 100% behind that decision despite my skepticism about Stafford from having seen a few Georgia games this season.
by SeattleChief on Jan 15, 2009 6:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pioli is bound
to throw us a few curve-balls that none of us are going to understand until they play out 2 or 3 years afterwards. This QB thing is eventually going to happen for us. I’m just glad everyone is of the mind-set to give the man the benefit of the doubt. Have you seen any of Tom Brady’s combine video footage? The guy didn’t look like he was worth a shit. Who knew?
Well, I guess somebody did. :)
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I seen it it was horrible he looked like doogie howser out there
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know!!!
He even had a little beer belly.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im watching the
piolis press conference again its just to good
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's friggin amazing
that we got this guy. I watched it twice today.
by Buck'O on Jan 15, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he tip his hand like that? Misinformation and deception are extremely common leading up to draft day.
Ahm…Because the Lions have the number 1 overall pick. Who are they trying to fool? If they are ulitmately looking to making a trade, and get any value from that move they would have to make others believe that they too are very interested in taking Stafford.
The Lions absolutely should take QB, and Stafford is the best candidate for the call. The only way the Lions can blow it is if they take Sanchez number 1. Now that would be hilarious! So I guess the Clown wasen’t so much Matt Millen, but the entire Detriot Lion organization.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 16, 2009 4:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Detriot doesn't have to be secretive
They have the first pick, and I don’t believe that they plan on trading it.
by dorsey on Jan 15, 2009 6:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
couldent
trade if they wanted to the pick is way to expensive a team would have to get rid of everything for that pick .
by sexassassin on Jan 15, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading the #1
—Even if what you say is true, I still think the quotes are being misread. See points A, C, & D in the post above.
—I will very much concede the point that a trade of the #1 is very unlikely, but it wouldn’t be a first.
—Misinformation is a way of life in the NFL. And even if other teams aren’t affected, if they make it 100% clear that Stafford is the only guy they want, it sure hurts their negotiating position on a contract.
—If another team REALLY wanted Stafford, it would obviously be to the Lions benefit to give the impression that they were going to pick him. That would increase the value they could get in return.
This isn’t to say they won’t draft Stafford, but is to say that the title of this post: “Lions’ New Coach all but Commits to QB with #1 Pick” is an overreaction to the quotes in the post.
by SeattleChief on Jan 15, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Misinformation is a way of life in the NFL. And even if other teams aren’t affected, if they make it 100% clear that Stafford is the only guy they want, it sure hurts their negotiating position on a contract.
Dude the Lions have the 1st overall pick, their gonna have to pay up. Misinformation with the player? The only time the team can use leverage with a player is if the player is playing hard ball on the contract negotiations.
Like dude if your trying to break the bank with being selected #1 overall, then I’ll just take someone else.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 16, 2009 5:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pacific—you are making my point for me.
Typically the team with the #1 pick starts negotiations pre-draft. They may do that with multiple players. As a result, that provides leverage in the negotiations because they can always say “screw this guy, we’ll take someone else.” This is what happened with Reggie Bush and Mario Williams.
BUT if the Lions come out and say “we desperately need a QB and that’s who we’re taking with the #1 pick,” they have no leverage. They’ve PUBLICLY tied their hands and that gives Stafford and his agent extra power at the negotiating table.
by SeattleChief on Jan 16, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No not really...
First, I think we can all agree that the QB position is the highest paid position. So to be able to put your poker face would make no difference.
Second, You have the #1 overall pick so whatever position they select it will still cost them a considerable amount of money.
The public perception will most likely lead the agent to know what the club’s needs are, and will continue to push for thier client.
The ONLY leverage the selecting team (1st overall) has is, can we get this deal done quickly?, or are you gonna bring it out to a long drawn out affair?
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 16, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the agent of Stafford continues to play hard ball....We (Lions) will either pick someone else or trade the pick.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 16, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Oakland
about how this situation turned out with JaMarcus Russell.
Oakland made it obvious that they were picking a QB first and that Russell was their man. Then, they couldn’t get a deal done and the guy takes forever to put on a uniform. You’d think the Lions would learn the lesson, but then again, they’re arguably the only organization more dysfunctional than Oakland.
Just answer me this: if this set of statements from Schwartz is in fact true, and they are openly declaring they will draft Stafford, in what way did the Lions benefit from having made that announcement?
by SeattleChief on Jan 16, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just answer me this: if this set of statements from Schwartz is in fact true, and they are openly declaring they will draft Stafford, in what way did the Lions benefit from having made that announcement?
They are more interested in trading the pick than keeping it, and want to get as much value from moving out of #1. Without tipping their hand.
Cannot create that much excitement for Stafford if other teams who are in LOVE with Matt feel no threat that someone will draft the QB that they want. If Detriot does not want to commit finacially long term to a questionable QB then you should try and get as much value from selecting #1. Can’t get that excitement and a bidding war if there is no threat.
DJ had a theory that the financial stability in Detriot is risky so why invest on a QB that has many question marks in his play.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 17, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I don’t disagree with anything you just said.
What you just wrote is:
1. Detroit would rather trade the #1 than draft Stafford
2. In order to do that, they need to convince other teams they want Stafford
They are inflating the value of their pick by being untruthful about their intentions. That IS misinformation!
And that was my point all along: let’s not read too much into these quotes from Schwartz and assume Stafford is off the board already.
by SeattleChief on Jan 17, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
MMmm....Alright...
I thought you were questioning why Schwartz was stating publicly that he liked Stafford, and that he had nothing to gain from such a statement.
Alot of the NFL is based on that concept of misinformation.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 17, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Timing plays into it
Why draft a QB #1, if you can’t get him into camp in time to help next season?
If the agent’s playing hardball, then there’s god reason to play hardball right back at the agent.
That’s a point the Owners should keep in mind when drafting, come to that: Agents playing grab-ass need to learn that if they can’t deliver a player in time to help, they will take a loss, and not a finicial gain.
It generally ain’t the players with the dollar signs in their eyes, after all. Not on that level. $10 mill’s plenty, even $5, for a kid just out of school. The smaller cut makes more of a difference to the agent.
The NFL would do well to re-vamp their system for handling the draft in terms of money, in several ways. Among others, setting up the initial cash into an annuity, or something the like, so tht players don’t pick up nasty noveau riche habits. Just a thought.
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better next season.
A rookie QB drafted at #3 has less than a %5 chance of starting Game one of '09. Slotting holdouts will prevent him from competing with Thigpen.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 19, 2009 7:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the Oakland situation....you don't think Crazy Al had anything to do with that fiasco?
and if I remember it right there was rumor that Lane Kiffin did not want to take Russell with their pick.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jan 17, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whitlock?
’Zat you?
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
by JacinB on Jan 16, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what about
2nd round – Sanchez?
3rd round – Harrell
4th round – Davis?
5th round – Harper?
Possible rounds in which we could draft QB’s….
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 16, 2009 3:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Given those QB options, give me another year of the Thigster.
by mynameistyler on Jan 16, 2009 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thiggy?
’Zat you?
(Either way, I agree.)
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
by JacinB on Jan 16, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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