Now granted, the Chiefs have plenty of holes to fill. They need to find pass rushers, a quarterback, and playmakers on both sides of the football. But former Chiefs president Carl Peterson left his franchise in fine financial shape for Pioli. And one of the reasons Pioli had to be drawn to Kansas City is the $45 million it now is under the salary cap.
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*Projected $45 million under the cap in 2009.
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Damn you beat me to it
45 million and an exec. with his talent will be dangerous for the rest of the AFC West.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
And a high first round draft pick
How many picks do we have overall this year?
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I've wondered if
Having so much extra cap room last year was part of Clarks plan to lure the best GM candidates to the Chiefs this year. According to Clark and Carl, they had been planning for Petersons departure since last January.
It makes since...
Having this much cap space for the new GM and the fact that Herm is possibly still here. This may have been planned minus losing 14 games.
AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.
Well if you are looking to hire GMs in 20 year blocks
And know you’re going to be hiring a new one the next year and you’re in the first year of rebuilding anyway, why not?
I don't think there's any way he keeps Herm
Had the Chiefs gone 8-8 last year, maybe thats a possibility, but not after going 6-26 the last two seasons.
Maybe.
Pioli is supposed to be well-informed, and a good evaluator of people. If he keeps Herm, I guarantee there’s a reason beyond Hunt wanting him in there. Perhaps a transition plan, or maybe he thinks Herm can win with the right help.
I know one thing, I won’t judge the man before he puts a team on the field, based on internet rumors and biases.
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better next season.
A rookie QB drafted at #3 has less than a %5 chance of starting Game one of '09. Slotting holdouts will prevent him from competing with Thigpen.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 15, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions
Haha
Good theory but gosh I hope not. I really hope our owner isn’t willing to tank a season like that. That would be one of the worst things he could do.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 15, 2009 7:08 AM CST up reply actions
That gave carl too much credit
that 45 million in cap we got, credit that to Herm and think of how far we would be under the cap if He started this plan a year earlier. Carl’s MO has always been to load that cap up. If anything our cap space was just a sign that the carl way of business was being phased out.
by arrowheadallstars on Jan 14, 2009 11:40 PM CST reply actions
Although I believe Carl would have liked to have brought in
Some free agents, I believe he supported the youth movement and saw the end of the road after the 2006 season..Herm’s insistance on playing younger players makes since to an extent when you have capable players that have a lot of potential..Many of the players Herm has starting especially like turk and tank have no business being on the starting roster on any team in the nfl..Herm should have been more willing to explore the free agent market and is going to pay for that with his job pretty soon..
Fans and Herm constantly use the excuse that we have so many draftees and youngters playing for us but that doesn’t mean a damn thing if their not capable of performing at a high level and I really believe 30% of the youngsters we have are just a waste of space..Bowe, Dorsey, carr, flowers, leggett, hali, albert, thigpen, brad cottam, jamal charles are all very capable athletes who will have a spot for us in the future most likely as legitimate players which is very exciting…But many of the free agents we have brought in (except for Bradly, thigpen, and leggett) have been terrible terrible personel decisions. three of our line players have no business starting anywhere in the nfl..Waters and Albert are the only legitimate players which is why I still believe Larry is a force to be reckon with and I wouldn’t trade him unless we got some serious trade bait….The likelyhood is, the spread will be done(although i liked it) and larry will again be used heavily and let’s be honest, that’s all he wants…Like him or dislike him, Larry is still one of the best in the game..If we have a decent line (which i think with a great addition we will by next season) he will finish with 1200-1600 yards in a traditional offense…
Regardless, Herm is likely out and Pioli of course is going to interview and talk with him although I’m sure once Herm states “I don’t have a thing to prove to you, and my record speaks for its self” his ass will be out in no time..haha
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 15, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
Whatever
I’ve kept my mouth shut because I know its an unpopular opinon but I don’t care if Herm coaches next year. I wouldn’t be opposed to him fulfilling his contract providing his staff is fired (sans Gailey). I think there is some high road to be taken by letting him finish and not having to throw away $3 million. If I was Pioli I’d replace his staff and start implementing my new system and tell Herm he can stay or go his choice to make. I think most coaches would quit if there job was micromanaged but thats what needs to be done with Herm in order to be successful here. Otherwise under his direction alone we’re a 2-14 club. If he chose to stick you basically have a seasons grace period for getting into the job and at end of season you can decide on his future. I happen to think Herm is a terrible coach and wanted him gone all season, but thats before the immovable object that was Carl Peterson got out of the picture. You pick your battles and landing Scott Pioli and finding out in the process just really who our new owner is I’m supremely convinced we’re in the best of hands and really no HC is going to change that. So as for Herm, whatever, it doesnt matter because we now have a big part of Belichik’s brain and are going to be fine football team because of it
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 14, 2009 11:51 PM CST reply actions
wow
I’ve heard people argue that a quarterback isn’t really a priority, but Head coach…. That’s a new one
by arrowheadallstars on Jan 15, 2009 12:27 AM CST reply actions
I wanna see what Herm's got
I personally think given a real personell team backing him I really believe Herm can be a not good, but great head coach, I can understand if Pioli goes in a different direction. That’s not a bad idea if he does, but Herm I really think can do great things given the opprotunity he would have if he gets to stick around with our new regime
by arrowheadallstars on Jan 15, 2009 12:32 AM CST reply actions
You have got to be kidding me
First off, this is not his second season coaching..The guy has been in the league now for 8 years as a head coach..His coaching mistakes go back to his beginning days with the jets…Stating otherwise is just pure ignorance..I don’t believe herm is an idiot or a terrible terrible coach but I believe he is not good enough to ever reach the big game..I believe he is way to stubborn about his conservative and old style way of playing the game..He doesn’t condition or prepare his players well for the beginning of the season..(He has literally never started well in any season) and he literally refuses to kick a team’s ass, he loves keeping games close..
Herm’s a good enough motivator to coach another in the nfl but I don’t him anywhere near my team anymore..
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 15, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Well said. We would be crazy to keep him. Herm could maybe lead us back to 500 but I don’t believe you could ever win big with him. The only reason to keep him is if the right HC isn’t available yet but probably will be next year.
I don't fight extra players.
by paleblueeyes on Jan 15, 2009 7:06 AM CST up reply actions
H e should have stayed a DB coach
I don’t think Herm is a bad coach, just a bad head coach. I think he would do just fine as a DB coach, when he doesn’t have to consider every minute detail of a game.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 15, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
He might as well give Herm next year.
Then if our record is still bad he can bring in a new coach and be the savior again.
I kind of feel for Herm
Yes, the Chiefs lost 26 games the last two years, and as HC he has to take his share of the blame. But he really came to KC in a shitty situation, and was not allowed to blow the thing up when he wanted to, and did not have much to work with.
I think it’d be best if he parted ways with KC, so as to allow Pioli a fresh start with his guy at the helm, but Herm will land on his feet somewhere, He really is not a bad coach
Yeah But
Herm gets more sympathy for “stepping into a bad situation” than he should. Professionally, it’s incumbent upon you to do your due diligence to know what you’re getting yourself into. Herm knew or at least he should have know what he was getting himself into (at least to a very large extent).
Another point that I’d like to make regarding Herm is that I think him coming out and saying “we’ve known that Carl was going to be let go for some time” (I’m paraphrasing) is very unprofessional. He never should have said that, but more importantly, that should never have been the case and hopefully it wasn’t. That would reflect poorly on Hunt.
I don't fight extra players.
by paleblueeyes on Jan 15, 2009 7:11 AM CST up reply actions
I see a different scenario now that I watched the press conference twice
1) Herm Edwards is a fine man and has the ability to evaluate talent, mostly Def Backs
2) Herm Edwards I think would be a great position coach with the Def Backs
3) Herm Edwards in the end will be a team player, which takes me to #4
4) Listening to Clark and Scott, I got a sense that they are going to try something a little unusual. I think they are going to sit down with Herm as indicated and talk about the team and it’s direction. Scott will then tell Herm what he sees happening and being head coach of the Chiefs is no longer in the mix for Herm. He will then offer him an opportunity as a position coach, Dir of Pro Personnel (Ray Farmers job) or a scouting position. Clark and Scott have respect for the man himself and will not come away with just an outright firing. He will be offered a chance to stay on in some capacity, hence staying with the “rebuild”. In that way he will still be able to hold some of the credit when this is accomplished.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I've never seen a scenario
where a HC of a team gets relieved of his duties and takes another (lesser) position in the org. the immediate following year.
When Gun was let go, he went to the Titans as the Def. Coordinator than came back (just as an example). Mike Martz comes to mind as well as others have moved on after HC gigs.
I don’t see it happening. I think Herm gets a gig with Lovie Smith. It’s a Defense minded team that he’d fit into with his DB skills as a coach.
We’ll see. If it does happen and he accepts, it’ll be a first that I can think of.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
Could be wrong
But isn’t that what just happened with Romeo Crennel in Cleveland?
I remember hearing whispers and that he was willing to stay, never heard if he actually did. Other than that, I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of anything like that either.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Jan 15, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
But isn’t that what just happened with Romeo Crennel in Cleveland?
That remains to be seen. I heard the same thing but nothing’s been confirmed from what I’ve heard. There was a rumor that Crennel said he wanted to stay on, but again, that’s a rumor and I never heard it from the horse’s mouth. Also, Mangini mentioned that he’d like to see Crennel as his DC that was posted last week, but no indication from Crennel that he accepted.
Dunno, they’re without a GM, so who know’s who’s deciding what there anymore.
I did find THIS
Mangini said he talked to Crennel, whom he served under as an assistant coach with the New England Patriots, and would like Crennel to stay on with the Browns as defensive co-ordinator.
But again, there’s no confirmation that Crennel has accepted. Also, I wonder what the incoming GM would say about that since Mangini is “acting” like a GM from the sounds of it.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
I Don't See That Happening
That’s not just because it’s Herm, but you generally don’t see head coaches sticking around an organization after they’re fired. It has the potential to split the team and undermine the new head coach.
I also don’t see him getting a personnel job here. Herm seemed to have an eye for DBs, but his ability to judge talent everywhere else was extremely questionable.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Basically
A person who can consistently find talent in only one area of the team is best served as a scout, and I think that would be too much of a demotion for Herm to take. If he did want to stay with the Chiefs as a scout, I wouldn’t have a problem with it…I just doubt that he will.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
Thats why I think this could be groundbreaking territory for Scott and Clark
but again, I did say that an offer may be made for that, not that Herm would accept it. That way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can’t blame Clark or Scott for just outright firing him.
Hey ya’ll know I have been wrong before. :)
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Good Insight
I think that’s a great theory. I thinnk it’s more likely that Pioli and Hunt will make that offer than it is that Herm would accept. But even if he doesn’t accept they get something out of it. And who knows, Herm might accept, but I’d only give that 5 or 10% chance. On a similar note, Clayton thought it would have been a good idea for Mangini to bring back Crennell next year as def. coord. It didn’t happen but at least it was deemed as possible by a top analyst.
I don't fight extra players.
by paleblueeyes on Jan 15, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
You can't demote someone
And leave him in the same department, it ruins credibility. Thats Management 101. Maybe as a scout – maybe.
For unorthodox, I’ve speculated this: Pioli wants a HC from the college ranks, but knows that seldom works directly, so he wants to sound out Herm as a possible transition HC, breaking the candidate in as a Coordinator and ‘assistant’ HC (read: apprentice) for 09. Implicit in that arrangement is a shake-up throughout the coaching staff, with a number of coaches are brought in who will work well with the new HC.
I know the people who are more devoted to firing Herm than the Chiefs will automatically hate that idea, but it has some merit. Herm, for all his faults (IMO) sees himself as a Teacher, and a Good Soldier. I’m pretty sure he’d accept that is his year to groom his replacement, and even an 1-year extension, should that prove necessary. He’d just about do it for free, just for the chance to avoid being fired after a 2-14 season… ;-)
I can’t see Chan taking the same lame-duck job, unless Herm’s fired during the season in 09 – which I am pretty sure /everyone/ wants to avoid.
But the above hunk of fiction is a far better idea than to hire a college guy with no NFL coaching experience, and expect success.
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better next season.
A rookie QB drafted at #3 has less than a %5 chance of starting Game one of '09. Slotting holdouts will prevent him from competing with Thigpen.
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