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A source with knowledge of the team's thinking told ESPN's Michael Smith it has not been ruled out that Herm Edwards could return for the final year of his contract as coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Not buying it

I heard the report and Smith did emphasize it was a longshot. The Chiefs problems weren’t merely youth, Herm and his band are inept. If he was coach of Atlanta or Baltimore does anyone believe they wouldn’t be sin the basement? That said I won’t be optimistic until I see the crawll on espn his sorry ass is gone.

by FrankPitts on Jan 14, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHY!!

Start your tenure as GM with Herm as your coach!!!! That would be a wast of time and money you could be investing in a new coach!!!!

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't discount this report too quickly

Remember, ESPN’s Michael Smith is a former Boston writer and was the one that actually broke the Pioli is hired news.

by primetime 07 on Jan 14, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A source with knowledge of the team's thinking
A source with knowledge of the team’s thinking

In other words…“a mind reader”

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats what scares me

This guy broke the Pioli story!!!! I can’t stomach ANOTHER year of Herm as our head coach. His speeches, his excuses his motivational jibber jabber!!! NO NO!!! IT can’t be true.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:02 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is his source??

This is important. If it’s someone from KC they’re likely looking to keep their job.

But Michael Smith is a Boston guy so hmm….

by primetime 07 on Jan 14, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thiiiiiiink itssssss

Marty as GM…no, wrong question…….the answer isssssss Bill Cowher for coach.

Wait, wait…let me think.

Seriously tho primetime, you asked the right question. I don’t like anonymous sources ESPECIALLY speculating that “they know” how the team thinks. In other words…someone anonymous is making a guess.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THE SOURCE IS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

DRUM ROLL PLEASE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HERM EDWARDS has been identified as the source!!!!!! Yeah problem solved source identified!!!!!!!!!

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All of a sudden we can get news from KC

when we could not even get a whisper on the GM search? I may be in denial, but I do not buy one bit of that.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe....

Pioli is going to interview entire coaching staff including Herm, and make decisions from their. Then bring in Spag or other candidates and hire one of them. THEN he could claim that he interviewed a minority candidate for the job.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:07 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

press conference

When is piolis press conference ?That will answer most of our questions.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 1:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great

We will find out shortly and get down to the bottom. I dont see how Hunt can make the biggest Splash in chiefs gm history and not have herm removed doesnt make sense to me.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 1:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mixed signals
Owner Clark Hunt, according to sources, prefers that Edwards remain the coach, but Hunt has gone on record as saying the new general manager would make that decision.

At the Press Conference where he discussed Peterson’s "resignation", Clark Hunt went on record as saying that he would look to the new GM for input on the head coaching position, but that ultimately, the decision would be his (Hunt’s).

I remember it vividly, because I thought it would hurt our chances with getting a top-shelf GM…

Can a link guru help me out with this?

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 14, 2009 1:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here you go.

Q: What’s Herm Edwards’ status?

HUNT: "I had a chance to speak with Herm this afternoon and I told him I’m very supportive of the job that he’s done to this point and the approach that he’s taken in rebuilding the football team. A decision on his future will be one that we will make in the off-season. It’s something that I expect a new general manager will have input in although the final decision will be mine."

From HERE.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YES HE said that BUT

That was at the beginning of the GM search. Pioli wanted FULL control of ALL football operations including staff decisions. Clark conceded that decision to get Pioli as GM.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're wrong.

Carl was the General Manager, Chief Executive Officer, and President.

Pioli is just the General Manager. He’s the director of football operations, yes. But, Clark hasn’t said anything since that initial statement to indicate that he’s going to defer to Pioli on his previous statement about Herm.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pioli Has The Final Say On ALL Football Matters

That was a condition of his contract, as reported by the KC Star and ESPN. So he gets to decide whether Herm stays or goes…Hunt gave that to him. And it’s unlikely he was coming on board if he didn’t have the choice of firing the coach…which he will.

Herm’s gone…just accept it and be happy that the Chiefs are back on track.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 1:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Link guru here

From Clark’s session with the media following the announcement of Carl’s resignation:

Q: What’s Herm Edwards’ status?


HUNT: "I had a chance to speak with Herm this afternoon and I told him I’m very supportive of the job that he’s done to this point and the approach that he’s taken in rebuilding the football team. A decision on his future will be one that we will make in the off-season. It’s something that I expect a new general manager will have input in although the final decision will be mine."

Source

by primetime 07 on Jan 14, 2009 1:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Beat ya.

Just sayin’. :)

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha!

I saw that. I was confused at first. Nice skills!

by primetime 07 on Jan 14, 2009 1:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BUT>>>>>>>>

That was before Clark decided to give the ENTIRE football operations side to the GM. That was Pioli wanted to accept this job. FULL football operations. So that statement was made before he started interview candidates. Intially he wanted to keep that portion of responsibility to himself.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope.

Pioli doesn’t even have the same level of power that Peterson had. He’s just the GM, he’s not the team’s President. Carl was both.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FOOTBALL OPERATIONS!!!

That is only the football side of operations I’m not saying he has all the responsibility of Carl.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is in control of the football side, includes coaches

the only person he snswers to is Clark.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THANK YOU!!!

Thats what I’m trying to say. Pioli now has the power to fire Herm because it is part of football operations.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"The only person he answers to is Clark."

Exactly. And Clark has said the final decision on retaining Herm is his, though he will allow his new GM to have input.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its more than input....

Football operations GM whatever you want to call includes hiring and firing coaches. He doesn’t need Clarks approval its his staff to hire.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why sign a contract

if you cannot hire your own coaches? Talk about setting yourself up to fail.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

You took the words right off my keyboard. This is why he didn’t take Browns job, he wanted to choose his man and the Browns chose Mangini. Why would he come here if he couldn’t have full control over the hiring or firing of his coach.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

False.
“He will have complete charge of football operations,” said Ryan Petkoff, a spokesman for Chiefs Chairman Clark Hunt. “He will report only to Clark.” (Source)

Reporting to someone doesn’t mean that you’ve got complete autonomy to do whatever you want. It means that you answer to someone.

And, when that someone has expressed a desire to keep someone you’d like to fire, you get to give your input but you don’t get to make the final call.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The ONLY thing Pioli will answer to Clark about

…is how much money Pioli can spend.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clark

he will always make the final decision im pretty sure they went over this in the interview
process . Pioli would not come to the chiefs if he did not have full control . There is no way herm stays.If he does im shocked.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 1:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Told ya so.

Yeah, it may be a bit preemptive (and I might wind up wrong), but there it is.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I am not ruled out as HC either.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are.

You just don’t realize it.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope no one is ruled out at this point.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not yet, free muff shots!

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was mentally preparing myself earlier this week

to not flip out if Herm was retained because Clark seems to be so fond of him. However, i agree with Frank Boal that if Herm is retained the fan enthusiasm created by Pioli’s hire isn’t necessarily erased, but it has to be lessened. Speaking only for myself, mine will.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New blood

I would be upset if we keep herm . I think we need a fresh start.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only way Herm stays is if

they give him an extension, what has he done to warrant that? How many free agents would sign here? It would be a lame duck year, it would do more Harm than good.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

You can’t have a lame duck coach and you sure can’t extend Herm.

by FrankPitts on Jan 14, 2009 1:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Free agents would not want to come to a team with herm here thats for sure. I bet most players would like to come into a fresh start.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 1:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have to disagree

Players around the league respect and like Herm. I’m not saying I want him to stay, but I think if Pioli is as good as everyone says he is, and if he decides to keep Herm, then I’m going to give him the benifit of the doubt.

Personally, I think Herm is gone, but if Pioli may want let him finish out his contract so that we have the opportunity for a Shanahan or Cowher next year. It could be there is more to Herm than we actually see. I’m just saying that if Pioli is as smart and shrewd as everyone says, and IF he thinks Herm is good for one more year, then I’m behind it. No matter what he does or who the coaches are for next year, I’m going to believe that he will be correct, and let next years record prove him right or wrong.

I’m goin to have an open mind on this thing.

by TXChiefan on Jan 14, 2009 1:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

exactly. If we believe so much in Pioli, we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows what he’s doing. If he keeps Herm, he must have something in mind that we don’t. That said, I believe Herm as less than a 5% chance, and that’s just because of his relationship with Clark.

by KCScuba on Jan 14, 2009 1:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EXACTLY!!

All the dips can suck one! Either you are with Pioli and his decisions or you are against him. I AM WITH PIOLI! If he interviews Herm and likes what he brings for at least another season then I FULLY SUPPORT IT! All the rest of you whiners .. I put my nuts on your chin and you like it.

by JChief on Jan 14, 2009 2:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn dude

calm down. herms sucks and he’s not comming back

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

Dude, the formation “you are either with ______ or against ______” is ludicrous every time it’s used. I love the Pioli hire and have full faith in him, but it’s ridiculous to think that fans have to agree with him on everything. Yeah, our opinion means nothing, but just because we like a guy doesn’t mean we should follow him into the river Pied-Piper style. Life is not starkly black and white like that.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 2:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's understandable

but, we shouldn’t start criticising prior to results. I just want to give him the benifit of the doubt and let him make the decisions. I may not agree with them, but “supposedly” he is the “expert”, and results will determine whether his choices were correct or not.

by TXChiefan on Jan 14, 2009 4:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The top of the hour SportsCenter

Said that Pioli was coming in with ‘an open mind’ and said that the final decision would be Clark Hunt’s and that Hunt has said that he would prefer to keep Herm.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well if he does stay

Just killed my excitement for the upcoming season. Here comes more of the same if it is the case.0-16, here we go.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ferentz will stay another year to coach son..

This could mean Herm one more year until ideal HC comes available. Other than Shanahan, Spag or Rex there aren’t any other good coaches out there. Maybe another year is what is required.

BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED GUNTHER FIRED AND A NEW DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR!

by JChief on Jan 14, 2009 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Fire Gunther. Fire most of his staff.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 2:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes let's fire the man

That was 16-16 as a head coach here but keep your butt boy who has won 6 out of his last 25 games here..Makes complete sense.

by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 14, 2009 4:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm Not Going To Argue With JacinB On That One

I’m all for Gunther getting fired. He did a flat-out rotten job this year. And I don’t think it really had much to do with Herm…I think Gunther’s just a terrible DC.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah and Spag and Rex have such a better resume

than Marty considering marty is perhaps the great regular season coach of all time…The whole lets bring in a college coach and some coordinators when their are amazing and experienced head coaches out their is absurd…

Spag has been a coordinator for TWOOOO years..Buddy…Woww how impressive..Marty has rebuilt every team he has ever coached, and Shanahan is very impressive…The ideal coaches are out there..It’s pretty simple really..But i guess you’re in favor of recruiting second rate coaches

by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 14, 2009 2:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Marty? I don't want him as our HC. We've been there done that. Thanks.

Awesome coach. I’d rather try something new. Somebody young, fresh, and brilliant. Like Rex. Shanahan – seen it. Without Elway he doesn’t really live up to the hype.

by JChief on Jan 14, 2009 2:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No lame duck year

Everyone is putting Herm in with president Bush without even knowing it. Herm wanted to rebuild but with the playoffs in ‘06 he thought he could probably do a lesser rebuild (and also the fact that King Carl wanted it and whined about it) and still make the playoffs but his initial instincts were right and it led to a 4-12 season. So we dove headlong into the rebuild but maybe just a bit too much. Herm is a smart guy and knows what he wants and where he is taking this team. The team is all behind him and love him as their coach. Tony G has seen coaches come and go with the Chiefs and loves Herm the most and stands by him. Pioli has to know that coming in and would have to take into consideration what the team thinks and feels because if he scraps Herm then it is screwing over the entire team and their philosophy and work ethic of sticking with each other and being a team. Pioli knows what it means to stand by your mentors and he has to see, being the shrewed evaluator of NFL talent that he is, that the team look to Herm not only as a coach but a mentor, a friend and a father-figure being away from home and what they know thrust into a dog-eat-dog business. No one can argue that Herm doesn’t take care of his players. They learn from him and with the last 8 games of the season you can see them blossom slowly but surely. And now that Carl Peterson is out and the Lamar Hunt (R.I.P.) philosophy of small spending is out Herm and Pioli can put their heads together and go after the draft hardcore, like they did last year, and go after the free agency hardcore with money to spend on actual talent and not guys that are over-the-hill that King Carl liked so much. Herm can be the coach he wanted to be from the get go and, even though the winning percentage didn’t show it, we saw him to be this season. The players were being truthful and honest when they said they wanted Herman Edwards to stay their coach. They learn from him, trust him, and all have an understanding and can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I’m just riding the fences and playing mre the “Devil’s Advocate” here but Herm really needs one more year in his actual rebuilding process to prove that he is going in the right direction and us fans need to stop with this, “We need results now!” crap. Our parents had more patience than that. When did we lose it? Was it in our college years? Just getting into the work-force and facing the reality of life after college? One thing I get from Herm that a lot of people are not looking at is his integrity…his integrity to be honest, straight-forward, and hard-working. We need a coach like that. Herm may not be the complete answer but if and when we start looking for a new coach we better be looking for that integrity because the team that we have now expects that…not just energy, a young face, and football intelligence. That can get you far, but as a human to another human you need integrity to lead. At least Herm has that.

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on Jan 14, 2009 2:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Three things:

1. is it not patience that allowed Carl to run the team for 20 years while presiding over two playoff wins, both in the same year, during that time? Is it not patience to have gone nearly 40 years without so much as an appearance in the Super Bowl?

2. At the risk of sounding like an asshole, an NFL team is a business. Character is not the measure of a pro football coach. Belichick is often reviled and hated – but he wins. D-III college football coaches? Maybe. NFL? No. Coaches at the NFL and BCS level are often mercenaries without loyalty and go to the highest bidder – and fans and owners/administrators knowingly sign off because they crave success. I’m glad that neither Nick Saban nor Darth Belichick is my father; but I’d sure as hell take them as my team’s coach. NFL coaches live their jobs. Even hellaciously nice guys like Tony Dungy sacrifice their families for success. A coach’s job is to win games and when they do so they are handsomely rewarded. Herm is guaranteed 16 million from the Chiefs over the life of his contract and I’ll be damned if I’ll feel sorry for him. In order to win coaches can help their players become more knowledgeable at their positions and place them in a scheme that allows them to succeed. But once again, that is all to one end: to win games. The NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry, not an afterschool special.

3. At what point does Herm Edwards actually become accountable for the fact that his record in three years as the head coach of the Chiefs is 15-33?

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 2:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Revision

16-32

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 2:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When he’s finished his contract and still has nothing to show for it. It’s the patience I was talking about. If it doesn’t get better…than we part ways, but at least we’ve built up a team of young players that we can build around into a winning team. To Herm and Dungy and even Belichick (whose players rally around him) they hold some sort of integrity so that the players follow them through hell and back in order to see their coache’s vision through to the very end. The Patriots wouldn’t even have made it to the Superbowl if Belichick couldn’t get his players behind him and work hard for it. Miami last year is an example of that. Cam Cameron couldn’t get the players behind him and even they were saying they were half-assing it at times. Integrity is critical to the players when it comes to the one coaching them. I won’t work for a guy who I can’t get behind and be proud to work hard for. Sometimes you have to take what you can get, but that’s the idea, anyway. Integrity is critical.

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on Jan 14, 2009 2:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like yourself I assume, I watched the Bengals game

Those fellas weren’t getting anywhere near hell’s mouth with Herm at the lead

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 3:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I beg to differ

But it’s my opinion…I like playing Devi’s Advocate. Anyway…it looked like they were tired and at their bitter end and that they were going through hell. But it’s my opinion. I’m not a player, just a fan.

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on Jan 14, 2009 3:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I respect your right to do so

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 3:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd love it better

If whoever the future coach is, be it Herm or otherwise, has the Chiefs in the Super Bowl in 3-4 years.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree!

I’d love to see our K.C. Chiefs in the Superbowl within that time. I would hope it’s Herm, only because we’ve invested the time for the rebuild that he was wanting to do from the get-go and I’d like to see it work out for him.

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on Jan 14, 2009 3:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Pioli hire initially seems to be

a good thing, and as such has invigorated the fan base. The only way to deflate that invigoration would be to retain Herm Edwards as the head coach thus confirming that both Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli have lost their ever loving minds. I have already stated that I am not going to rejoice on Herm’s departure until such time as I actually see him fading into the sunset. Could Clark Hunt screw this whole thing up BIG TIME? You better believe it because he has probably already had the conversation with Pioli about Herm staying. If Clarky baby does retain Herm, I will have lost all respect for the man.

by G.L. on Jan 14, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh shut your face!

pathetic! wipe the tears you puss!

by JChief on Jan 14, 2009 2:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Douch

yo man we havent won a super bowl since 1969 i dont know if you have watcha any games this year but our coaching was horrible .Did you see the san diego game we gave up and went for two when we could have atleast tied to go to over time that was so horrible . watch the games before you open your mouth.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 6:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Owner Clark Hunt, according to sources, prefers that Edwards remain the coach, but Hunt has gone on record as saying the new general manager would make that decision.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Source it.

Seriously. Point to the ‘record’ they’re talking about.

There’s not one.

There is, however, a record of Hunt saying that he’ll make the final decision.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Clark "veto's" Pioli's choice to get rid of Herm

Pioli is going to resign…bank on it. So interpret what you want, but no one takes that GM job and get’s veto’d the first big decision that needs to be made.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For all you know ...

The decision was made before Pioli accepted the job and he took it with the understanding that Herm got to finish out his contract.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For all you know....

….he did this without talking to the coach? Without interviewing Herm and coming to that conclusion?

Sooooo if that’s the case than he should have gone to Cleveland where they hired Mangini.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He didn't like Mangini.

He didn’t like Mangini because of the spygate scandal last season. There’s nothing indicating he doesn’t like Herm.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So Pioli interviewed Herm during the GM interview process?

aha…an interview within an interview which would cause Pioli to retain Herm and THEN sign on as GM.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and others are assumming that Pioli wanted to retain Herm without talking to Herm about it

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clark wouldn't hire someone ...

Clark wouldn’t have hired Pioli if Pioli wasn’t ‘on board’ with his vision of rebuilding the team. The thing is, though, that Clark’s vision of rebuilding the team is also Herm’s vision of rebuilding the team and I’m pretty sure Herm said that whomever the new GM to come in was going to be ‘on the same page’ with them and that he wouldn’t have to sell himself to the new guy.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Herm said that whomever the new GM to come in was going to be ‘on the same page’ with them and that he wouldn’t have to sell himself to the new guy.

That’s an arrogant and self-centered comment by a coach that has nothing positive to say or defend his performance. It’s a lame-duck excuse.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And yet ...

It seems to be matching up pretty well with the reality of the situation we’re looking at right now.

I mean, if it was a certainty he was gone, why wasn’t he fired on ‘Black Monday’? Why is he still here now? Why are there stories now surfacing that it’s not a certainty that he’s gone, despite what all of the pundits were saying earlier in the week?

Weird.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Clark wants to save face

….and he made a promise to him. Do you want to do business ala Davis? Do you want to scare talent away from your organization.
Piloi’s “plan” will be used as the reasoning

He’s letting the GM decide and it’ll be :
“Pioli and I discussed Herm’s future and Scott has a plan that he wanted to implement. After evaluating the plan I agreed with his assessment that the coaching staff needs to change as well”…then blah, blah, blah about Herm’s contributions.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 2:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny

Last I heard Herm hadn’t been given any attention by Pioli so the reality of the situation looks the same now as it did when Pioli was hired. That Herm’s going to get fired this week.

I mean, if it was a certainty he was gone, why wasn’t he fired on ‘Black Monday’? Why is he still here now?

Maybe because the Chiefs just hired their GM yesterday? And because they haven’t even had the press conference yet to announce the hiring? Just a thought, but GMs usually don’t coaches until they’ve officially been put in charge of them.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 2:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correction

but GMs usually don’t hire or fire coaches until they’ve officially been put in charge of them.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 2:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not what Pioli said.

Pioli said that he had talked to Herm and that he’d continued to talk to Herm. Pioli said that he liked Herm, both professionally and personally, and that he had a lot of respect for him.

Oddly enough, those are the same sorts of comments he made about what he’d look for in a Head Coach.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 15, 2009 4:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I juust want to know

I hope you are wrong and that we fire herm. But we just made our biggest hire in chiefs history and our own head coach wasnt at the press conference.hmmmm you would think the guy that you think that will run the team would be there to support the new hire.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 6:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also a comment by a coach

Who has been the death of the 2 GMs that hired him as a head coach…

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 1:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who is the GM

Clark or Pioli. Your going to spend MILLIONS on a GM the top GM candidate and then tell him oh by the way you HAVE to keep Herm for the last year of his contract!!!!! Your living in Dream Land JacinB

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 1:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well ...

One of us is, that’s for sure.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pioli might be ok with Herm staying.

No evidence otherwise.

I will be surprised if he stays though.

by NJChiefsFan on Jan 14, 2009 1:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IF Pioli wants Herm gone

and Clark “veto’s” his request. The next thing you’ll hear is Pioli giving his resignation.

No way does Clark get “the man” that everyone agress is the #1 pick as GM and than leaves him out to dry.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

It will be Piolis choice as coach.

by TXChiefan on Jan 14, 2009 1:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way this makes no sense!

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

resignation

Oh man wouldent be out of control if like pioli’s press conference is like his resigning confrence because hunt lied to him about keeping herm.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pseudo-off topic but the debate seems to have moved here

What really gets me s that I keep hearing the blame put on Carl for resisting the rebuild, inhibiting Herm, Herm was powerless etc. Carl always let his coaches have a large say in personnel. Carl always gave his coaches control over replacing his assistant coaches. The 2008 Chiefs are accepted to be built upon “Herm’s plan.” From an objective standpoint, they went 2-14. From a subjective one, they were assembled irresponsibly. That team is 30 million over the salary cap and avoided acquiring any veteran players to help the youngsters along. You think those young players lost the close games and that’s not Herm’s fault? Don’t stock your team with rookie starters then. Don’t build a team where the main criteria for a roster spot is “youth.” Youth is not, in itself, a football skill. Don’t come into town saying you’ll run the ball and stop the run – and then fail to do either. Don’t make fun of the previous regime for being an offensive circus when that coach at least went 13-3 one season and gained a #1 seed in the AFC playoffs. Herm has barely broken 13 wins in three seasons.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 1:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean "30Mil UNDER the salary cap"...correct?

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, I'm an idiot on that one

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 1:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no you weren't....np...just wanted to clarify

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 1:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's already been addressed.

We didn’t stock the team full of veterans because those veterans would’ve taken playing time away from the rookies. And, you don’t get experience by watching someone else do the job — if so, I’m a rock star ’cause I sat backstage at a few concerts — you get experience by actually doing the job yourself.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's absolutist

and not completely realistic. You need veterans to set positive examples for things like work ethic and chemistry. There isn’t a single wide-eyed rookie that doesn’t need mentoring and that sure as hell isn’t going to come from other rookies.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 1:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why do you think ... ?

Why do you think we retained Pat Surtain? It sure as hell wasn’t his skills.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure

and all of the early indications were that he did a great job from a mentoring standpoing with the brandons. But that was an isolated instance. We needed way more of that.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 1:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah and...

TonyG helping Thiggy (only after not getting the trade he demanded, which supports my argument that Herm doesn’t have enough appeal to veteran players…. but I digress.)

We had a few great examples of how the veterans helped the young guys and if we had more of this we would have done better than 2-14.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 2:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wrong.

Tony wasn’t wanting to leave because of Herm. He wanted to leave because he wants to win a Super Bowl and he doesn’t know how long he’s got left. He’s said nothing but great things about Herm.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 2:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you know for a fact it was not

Because of Herm?

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 2:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not wrong

but you’re partially right. I didn’t say he wanted to leave because of herm. But he sure as hell wasn’t buying into herm’s approach. He was seriously disgruntled. The interesting thing to note here is that TonyG went out on his own and made nice with Thiggy and worked his ass off to develop some chemistry with the kid. That was after he knew he was stuck in KC.

after that, he ended up having a great year.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 2:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your persistence and devotion

Is admirable, if utterly mind-boggling

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 1:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you think jacinb

that we should have picked up asante samuel and or fanica last year for free agency?

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 1:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope.

I’d’ve liked to have had Samuel pre-draft. But, I don’t want us to have anyone with the ‘Highest Paid [insert position here] in the NFL’ tag next to his name.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 1:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

I actually agree with you on this one. :)

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 1:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pay the man

I say if he is a pro bowler pay the man. Things need to change in kc

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 2:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you maddogmag

You’re soo right..I’mmmmm sooo tired of hearing everyone talk about how this last year was herms first year…It wasn’t..It was his third…I guess technically vermeil got to the playoffs and went 13-3 then in his first year as well then…

Herm has been terrible since he arrived…Bring in Farentz for all I care but don’t leave herm in charge..The guy has been inept and going 2-14 is unacceptable….And our drafts haven’t even been that good honestly..Our draft last year was great but the two before that we’re mediocre drafts…Our d line is the worst in history and guess who drafted it…Yours trully..

by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 14, 2009 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You drafted our D-Line?

Really? ‘Cause that’s what ‘yours truly’ means.

If you can’t handle basic phrases, I’m not sold on your ability to rate NFL drafts.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 2:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excuse me

I meant Herm as you know..

By the way, please let us know how your next booty session goes with Herm..I’m sure you drive the man wild!

by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 14, 2009 2:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Says The Man Defending The 2-14 Coach

If you want to take personal shots, someone should probably point out that people who defend coaches with records like Herm’s don’t really have that much credibility on football knowledge either.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 2:21 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now

If you’d like to forego the personal attacks I’d be more than happy to do so.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 2:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah

 Jacin B is much to happy day lusting after Herman walking those sidelines in 2009 with a blank and bewildered expression on his face..I hope we lose next year if Herman is the coach….I can’t help it..I can’t stand the guy

by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 14, 2009 2:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4-12, 2-14 what next,0-16?

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 2:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would never wish failure upon the Chiefs

But I still struggle to see how Herm keeps his credibility among any Chiefs fan – at least those who don’t stand to gain in a matieral sense by his continued employment. Yeah, he’s a nice guy by all appearances. Football, however, is a business and personality is not the metric by which coaches are measured.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 2:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UUUUUUGH!

This would be lunacy.

I highly doubt clark would nix pioli’s decision to nix herm if/when that happens. I could however see pioli give herm fair consideration out of respect for clark’s public support of herm. you know… as a show of good faith!

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It had to be

in the negotiations of Pioli’s contract. I’m sure the decision is already made.

Why did I quit drinking?

by CMatthews on Jan 14, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No frickin way

Herm came here as a shortcut to a superbowl. He thought all he had to do was fix the defense. Herm are you going to mess with the offense? No I am no dummy you don’t mess with a good thing. We gonna play defense, to play defense you have to get dirty, alot of guys do not like to get dirty, we gonna get dirty.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't you think

that if herm were to stay, Pioli would be standing over his shoulder whispering yelling in his ear about any stupid decisions?

Why did I quit drinking?

by CMatthews on Jan 14, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops

whispering

Why did I quit drinking?

by CMatthews on Jan 14, 2009 1:52 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has their ever been a more hated chiefs coach than Herm Edwards

You’d think as a business owner you’d want to reinvigorate your customer base since 90% of can’t stand Herm Edwards at all..Seriously, I refuse to put up with one more damn year of this clown on our sidelines..I’m tired of hearing him talk, his crappy excuses, and his love for keeping games close..He is one of the leagues worst coaches..If we’re ever in need of a good motivator let’s just put on a denzel washington movie for the players because that is all Herm is good for..Seriously, i don’t care who ya bring in but don’t leave herm in charge.

“We’re not gonna score 30 points a game, that’s arena league” Herm please leave

by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 14, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that the most recent update from the ESPN poll?

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

On that one cali i hate how we kept games close keeping games close gets your a horrible record like ours. get rid of herm

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 2:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JacinB Sounds like HeRmStHeMaN from the Star's boards.

Bud you need to drop that kool-aid cup if you think Herman Edwards is a good coach. His losing recod from his entire time as a head coach should be enough to convince anyone that he is not an NFL caliber coach. If I preformed that way at my job I woul;d have been fired long ago. Any person that thinks Brokie Croyle(see Herm) is good enough to be a back-up water boy let alone a QB especially looking at how he was injured most of his college career is simply moronic. I’m sorry but stats don’t lie. The only reason he was even drafted was because of his Senior year, the only one btw he was healthy enough to play all the games in.

He has done nothing but whine about the players being young. He did that to himself . I can count 3 real veterans that spent any time on the field this season. Tony G., Waters & Derick Johnson. The rest of the only 6 or 8 veterans we had hardly played due to injury. His blatant misuse of Dorsey is also inexcusible. His terrible clock management. I mean he came here he had the opprotunity to bring in other coaches, and didn’t change any. Gunther should have been let go immediately after the 2007 season, but was kept because he whined about the lack of talent(just like Herm), but didn’t take any responsibility for his own shortcomings as a coach. Much as Solari was let go because he obviously couldn’t get the job done.

I could go on and on as to factual reasons that Herm, and the rest of the staff, should be fired at 5:01p.m. tonight. but I’m not going to. Most of us already know them, but seriously you Herm bandwagoners can stay on it. Just do the realists a favor and please go to what ever team he lands on.

by meandean on Jan 14, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A little side bar

You ask most Jet’s fans and they were elated that he left.

by meandean on Jan 14, 2009 2:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And they called Mangini

“Mangenius.” Not sure we can trust the collective wisdom of Jets fans.

by NJChiefsFan on Jan 14, 2009 2:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

 You have a point there.

by meandean on Jan 14, 2009 2:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pioli

Pioli right now is probably trying to figure out what gatoraid cups herm should pass out next season if he stays.

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 2:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blahbitty blah blah blah.

You may’ve said something else, but that’s all I hear when people start trolling.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta disagree

He’s making strong arguments.

Maybe it’s the fact that it’s 1 vs. 100 :)

by primetime 07 on Jan 14, 2009 2:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I used to like that show

Kind of got boring for a while with some of the easy questions being missed.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 2:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

I don’t agree with everything the man’s saying but my hat’s off to him, He’s put up some strong stuff. Keep up the good work JacinB, the banter is fun! Can’t have a discussion if we’re all on the same side of the debate.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 2:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The man's got heart!!

I think the dog-pile is on him though!

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 2:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks, man.

And I’m fine with the dog pile. I’m strong enough to take it.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 2:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will give JacinB the same credit.

You do have heart. You have as much right to stand up for what you believe in as the rest of us do.

by meandean on Jan 14, 2009 2:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at Belichicks losing record

as head coach of the Browns…not saying Herm is the next Belichick, just that wins/losses over the first several years of head coaching aren’t everything

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 14, 2009 2:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Herm

If herm wants to be the next bilicheck . the first thing he had to do was atleast find a field goal kicker in all this time we have a decent field goal kicker still no solid qb and questionable play calling and a bad record and we cannot even win home games

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 2:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here we go...

Herm has been rebuilding since he got here. He went with the defense first, to detriment of the offense. Wow look at all the push we get on the d-line, with all Hermies first day picks. The only solid part of this team is the d-backs. That is what Herm should be a d-back coach.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 2:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is Pioli picking, and then coaching them up?

Herm cannot put together a solid gameplan, or make necessary in game adjustments. That is why we lose the close games,duh!

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 2:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bradford to return to OU next season.

There goes that idea.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 2:23 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Disappointing, but not the end of the world

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 2:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good

now we can go D in the draft and get serious

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 2:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would rather ...

Have Crabtree anyway.

We’ve seen what Thiggy can do in the ‘ArrowSpread’ with just Bowe and Gonzalez as legitimate receivers. Put a guy with crazy speed and sticky hands with them and the offense looks a whole lot better real quick.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 2:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question

whenever someone who is less than a fan of Herm concedes that Pioli might let Herm finish his contract, why do they then state “so that we can get Cowher or Shanahan next season”?

I fully expect the Chiefs, with a Pioli led draft in 2009, to at the very least turn the corner (so-to-speak) in the rebuilding effort.

If Pioli does allow Herm to finish his contract, we finally see some fruit from the rebuilding effort and we go 9-7 or better next season, wouldn’t Herm get a contract extension?

I’m just sayin’, to be awaiting a Cowher or a Shanahan in 2010 seems like already giving up on 2009.

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 14, 2009 2:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good question

I can’t see Cower in KC in ‘09, ’10 or any other year. I think that if we have any shot at Shanahan it’s this year or nothing.

Personnaly, I’m hoping that Pioli hires a lesser know quantity and we light it up, a-la miami.

All the same though, I have to believe that herm’s outta here

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 2:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not among that crowd

I agree with the conventional wisdom – it’s lunacy to keep a coach for a season so you can fire him when another candidate comes available, especially when it’s by no means guaranteed that candidate would even coach your team.

I can’t see Herm ever taking this team to a Super Bowl. I’m for replacing Herm now and having a new GM with his new hand-picked coach. The Falcons, Ravens, and Dolphins illustrated this season that a season with a new coach isn’t necessarily a lost one. I can just see five years down the road, if the Chiefs aren’t as successful as we’d hoped, fans saying “you can’t adequately evaluate Pioli’s time in KC, because he was saddled with Herm that first year and that put him behind.”

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 2:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

Never quite understood that arguement..That is why I am scared of keeping herm..I know we’re going to improve but really we will NEVER EVER win a superbowl with him because he is not capable..The guy just doesn’t have the ability to coach the hell out of a game..He’s been poorly coaching games since his first season with the Jets..Even before he came here, jets fans couldn’t stand his game management..

This isn’t an urban legend and it’s not a rumor..Herm isn’t a great coach..Let’s find someone who is!

by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 14, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And let's find him ...

… amidst the untried and untested ranks of coordinators and college coaches.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 2:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes and?

Every coach, even the most successful, hall of fame legend, men like Shula, Walsh, Noll, Belichick, Johnson, Landry, Madden, Cowher, Brown and the list goes on, was at one time an untried and untested head coach.

John Harbaugh is in the AFC Championship game in his first year as a head coach. Mike Tomlin is in that same game in his second season — and he’s still just 36 years old.

To me, that’s like buying a used car over a new one, even if you have plenty of money, simply because “someone else owned it , it obviously works.”

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 3:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still find this hard to believe

We could not get GM search news, but now there are leaks about Herms future? It is Carl messing with the Chiefs fans minds!

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 2:37 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lol...

If I were Clark, I’d be sipping scotch and having a blast with all of this. I would definately play with the fans no matter how cruel it might be.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 2:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this actually sounds like Herm's MO

to make sure there’s enough out there to make sure he looks good.

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Jan 14, 2009 3:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that

at the very least, it is Clark’s intention to do what he can to make Herm look good. He’s a class act with a ton of loyalty. If it’s herm’s destiny to get the boot, I don’t think Clark wants it to be negative if it’s at all possible.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 4:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

That’s why I don’t think it will happen today, but later in the week. It’ll be low-key and professional and they won’t try to humiliate Herm. And I think they’ll do it soon so he can have a shot at a coordinator or position coach job elsewhere.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coaches and players say Football is in their blood....

But honestly, would you rather work a few hours on Sunday talking about it or work 100 hours a week coaching it? IMO Cowher isn’t coming back to the sidelines anytime soon if ever. I could be wrong. Vermile did it after many years of being in the booth, but I just don’t see Bill wanting to come back. Especially if it’s not on his own terms. And from what rumors I’m sure we’ve all heard Shanny has talked to the organization about the job.

by meandean on Jan 14, 2009 2:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Support for Herm (kind of)

I find it interesting that I heard all these Chiefs fans describing our team as a great job for a GM because of all the talented young players we have, yet no one seems to want to give Herm any credit for that. When we had a great draft last year I heard multiple people saying it was because Herm got the final say instead of “he who must not be named”. I really don’t have a problem with Herm as the head coach as long as Pioli were to fire Gun and bring in a new D coordinator. That’s where I see the problem. If the D coordinator was Pioli’s guy and threw out the Tampa 2, would Herm be okay with that. It would basically be a situation where Chan ran the offense, the new D coordinator ran the D and Herm was just the “leader”. Now before you start taking shots at me for saying that, I actually think that could be a good situation. Herm’s overall leadership (in my opinion) is good. He motivates the young players. He was man enough to run the veterans out and play young guys so we could find players like Carr and Leggett who wouldn’t of been on the field otherwise. Everyone from Clark down knew the Chiefs would SUCK this year. But they were willing to do it to get together a core group of young players to build around. Now we have Pioli to help bring more young talented players in, Chan seems capable of running the O, if we had a DC that was worth a damn I think we’d be fine with Herm.

Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Techmo Bowl!

by KCporkchop on Jan 14, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1.

And glad to not be the only person saying it.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 2:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so its impossible that there just MIGHT be someone else

out there who, as a head coach, just MIGHT be able to do a better job with these players?

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Jan 14, 2009 3:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope.

It’s not impossible. It’s improbable that any of the coaches currently on the market would, though.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 3:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and you know this because.....?

and you know the team will improve BECAUSE OF HERM next year because…..?

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Jan 14, 2009 4:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's See

So Mike Shanahan, who apparently inquired about the Chiefs job, wouldn’t be an upgrade despite posting a .500 record the last three years?

I seriously doubt that.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed 100%

The objective is to build an organization that is in its entirety, best of breed. If Shanahan did indeed inquire about this job and is willing to play along with Clark/Pioli’s program, then you have to give a guy like this a serious look.

Why? Because it’s an improvement.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 4:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, Shanahan is not an improvement.

The only way Shanahan comes here and takes us to the promised land is if you convince Elway to come out of retirement and come with him as our Quarterback. Shanny’s ‘mastermind’ days are long since past.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 15, 2009 4:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

Look for my posting titled “No Lame Duck Year” and you’ll see that, even though I’m sitting on the fence, all this talk about Herm being a bad coach because of a losing season is rediculous. He’s rebuilding for cryin’ out loud. The man has integrity which makes him a great players coach because they can trust him, confide in him, get behind him in his vision of rebuilding and work hard for him cause he knows that he will do all the same and more for them. We need more coaches like that in the NFL.

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on Jan 14, 2009 2:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I forgot to mention

How much Pioli’s quote on evaluating players in one of the previous articles sounds like Herm. The whole “It’s not their numbers, but how they do on the field” take on evaluation is exactly what Herm has been preaching since he got here. I could see Pioli being able to work with him.

Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Techmo Bowl!

by KCporkchop on Jan 14, 2009 3:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is the problem Herm will not let the cover two die.

If Gun was able to run his own scheme would it be different as far as results? I cannot say for sure, but Gun would rather gamble, and blitz, not sit back and wait on things to come to him.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 3:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly

Change it up we change on the O side why could we not adjust on the d side

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 7:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So for those of you visting the site

and thinking about joining, this is a typical Herm/NO Herm discussion with the thousands of whys and why not’s on retaining the man.
Now in the red corner you have…

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 14, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's going on Lanier?

..I need a break from the same rehash of Herm that’s been going on the entire season. Fought any fires lately?

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 3:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We've been pretty busy this past month but things are quite right now

One thing know one has brought up. Herm would have to understand the pressure he will be under to produce wins in 2009. Any game could be his last, because Pioli will not wait until the off season to fire his ass! Going from 9-7 to 4-12 to 2-14, I would rather get fired now and sit on the beach in CanCun for a few weeks myself.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 14, 2009 3:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides this is all just BS and speculation

Unless your name is Scott Pioli or Clark Hunt our opinions of Herm don’t matter. With a new GM why would we hesitate to find a new coach(s) unless it was the New England situation now with only a GM replacement?

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry

I’m a sucker for continuing these pointless arguments – in this case because I cannot for the life of me understand why a current Chiefs fan would desire more Herm…

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN just reported ...

In the top of the hour SportsCenter on ESPN Radio just now, it was reported that Chris Mortensen has a story that, with McDaniels already signed in Denver and Ferentz saying that he intends to stay in Iowa, Pioli is likely to keep Herm Edwards as Chiefs Head Coach.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can’t find the story on ESPN.com … yet.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 3:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN's been updated.

Found in the original story HERE:

According to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, Pioli previously had two coaching candidates in mind: Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz.

McDaniels, hired as Broncos head coach early this week, is off the market, and it appears Ferentz is staying put at Iowa, so those are the primary reasons why Pioli could retain Edwards for next season, and reassess the situation in 2010.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 4:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And, again with the suck-ass blockquote feature.
According to ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, Pioli previously had two coaching candidates in mind: Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz.

McDaniels, hired as Broncos head coach early this week, is off the market, and it appears Ferentz is staying put at Iowa, so those are the primary reasons why Pioli could retain Edwards for next season, and reassess the situation in 2010.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 4:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speculative

And extremely weak considering just how bad Edwards’ record with the Chiefs has been.

No GM is going to tie his fortunes to an incumbent coach with a .313 winning percentage over three years who he didn’t hire, unless he wants to turn a large portion of the fan base against him. It’s just not going to happen…the guy’s got carte blanche to build up the football side and if he can’t get Ferentz or McDaniel then he’ll go with somebody who hasn’t lost more than two-thirds of his games.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

“A source with knowledge of the team’s thinking”? Who the hell is that supposed to be…the groundskeeper? The concession stand guy? Tony DiPardo? I’ll go with the Star’s report of two current Chiefs assistant coaches saying they think Herm’s getting the axe…that’s a hell of a lot better than the opinion of someone who’s apparently not even employed by the team.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill Romanowski

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 4:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan Sims

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

David Cook

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 4:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt Walsh :)

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The guy who pulled a gun on Michael Irvin Monday night

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football"
- John Heisman

by Maddogmag on Jan 14, 2009 4:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That Dude's 3rd Grade Teacher :)

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 5:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Herm Edwards

I can respect you having a HARD ON for Herm JacinB. But it seems to be that your long on sources and short on rationalizing why Herm should stay. My opinions (sorry no sources) is that Pioli has full control of football operations. Meaning FULL CONTROL!! I seriously doubt Clark is going to fire Pioli if he fires Herm. It is Pioli’s job to hire his staff and Clark doesn’t seem like the type of man to stand over anyones shoulder and rule and over rule hiring decisions. If you want sources there was a quote on last nights news cast (all 4 networks) from Clark Hunt that Pioli was hired to manage football operations for the KC Chiefs. It did not saying pending my approval of everyone of his decisions. If Herm stays great if he doesn’t stay thats even better. Do we even know if Herm wants to stay for only one more year with no guarentee of future employment. None of us have even considered that as an option. Lets only just enjoy the hiring of a GM listen to his news conference and go from there and see where it takes us.

by ksjhwk on Jan 14, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright here is the bottom line.

If Bill Belichic were to resign in New England, would Scott hire Herm for that job? There is no way he even gets consideration.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 3:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides Which

The Star reported this morning that two Chiefs assistant coaches said they were expecting Herm to get the axe this week. And if the assistants (whose job security is tied to the coach) believe that the coach is getting fired, that’s a pretty good indication the coach is getting fired.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 3:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I wish the Herm nightmare would end.

Why would Pioli want to keep him? Why would he take the job, if he had to keep Herm?

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 3:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there cant be that much money

AND a woman who can give you a great cuckoo!

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 14, 2009 4:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Patience

They haven’t even had Pioli’s first press conference yet. I know everyone wants him to fix everything (as do I) but it’s not like the guy can fire Herm, hire a new head coach, sign all the necessary free agents, conduct the NFL draft, and win the Super Bowl in his first week on the job.

Herm’s probably here until the end of the week…after that he’ll be gone and we’ll be moving on to someone else. Pioli was hired because he’s a good football mind and there’s no way he’s keeping a coach who’s screwed up as badly as Herm. Even Herm’s not that good of a bullshit artist.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well ...
… it’s not like the guy can fire Herm, hire a new head coach, sign all the necessary free agents, conduct the NFL draft, and win the Super Bowl in his first week on the job.

Then, dammit, fire him and hire someone who can. Clearly he’s not the best option for this job.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 14, 2009 4:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever dude.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 4:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To Quote Paulie Walnuts

“Don’t get cunty.”

:)

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who me?

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 4:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

JacinB…Mr. Lashing Out At Pioli For Not Buying Herm’s Line Of Crap. :)

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Herm meeting with Pioli.

Scott we have 85% of the team built, with 90-95% returning. How fast could fired coming out of ones mouth? Scott we lost this game due to my poor game management, oh never mind Herm would never hold himself accountable for his own actions.

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 4:10 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!!

Yeah. When they hand Pioli all of the game film for his evaluation, they need to include each and every one of Herm’s press conferences for evaluation too. The denial and the blame avoidance should jump out when he sees the same stupidity continuing week after week.

by Buck'O on Jan 14, 2009 4:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's what Herm had to say about blame.
"… Blame me. OK. If you want to blame somebody blame the head coach. It’s on me. I’m the coach so it’s on me. So you don’t have to blame any more players, or have to blame people in the organization. You can blame the head coach. That’s where it starts and that’s where it ends. I’m OK with that. I’m a big boy. I’ve been in the league a long time and I know how it works. So, if you want to blame somebody blame the head coach."

Q: But we don’t need to blame you?

EDWARDS: "That’s fine but I’m the head coach and it’s on me. At the end of the day this is what happens: the head coach in his [bio] in the book says wins and losses and this year we’re having a bad year. Period."

by NJChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2009 6:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's just blame avoidance.

Dude. Clearly Herm didn’t actually mean any of that. He was putting it all on Carl Peterson and the rookies. Clearly. That’s just more blame avoidance and lack of taking any sort of responsibility. Duh.

Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.

by JacinB on Jan 15, 2009 4:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok lets let history and records speak for themsleves

This is a great read: http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/338

Since the merger in 1970

Buf Williams 17-31 .354 Fired
Det Rogers 16-31 .340 2-9 Fired
Ari Green 16-32 .333 Fired
Car Seifert 16-32 .333 Fired
SD Henning 16-32 .333 Fired
SF Nolan 16-32 .333 2-5 Fired
TB Wyche 16-32 .333 7-9 Fired
Atl Henning 15-33 .313 7-8-1, Fired
Dal Campo 15-33 .313 Fired
NO Ditka 15-33 .313 Fired
St.L Knox 15-33 .313 Fired
GB Starr 13-29 .310 Success
SD Prothro 13-29 .310 7-7, Fired
Ari McGinnis 17-40* .298 Fired
TB Perkins 14-33 .298 5-8 Fired
SD Riley 14-34 . 292 Fired
Sea Flores 14-34 .292 Fired
Ind Kush 11-28 . 282 Fired
Ari Bugel 13-35 .271 7-9, Fired
Cin Shula 11-37 .229 7-9, Fired

*Included partial first season

Herm Edwards is 15-33 in his three years with the club. That’s a .313 winning percentage. I thought it would be interesting to look at any previous (non expansion) examples of a coach whose first three seasons were below .360 to see how many were not fired and how many became successful with the club. The punch line is… "Not Many!"

The point of cleaning house with a new GM is to start over – not to diddle around moving the same old chess pieces. It’s pretty obvious that 11 GMs got it right the first time and 8 others had to learn the hard way.

Very good information. Sorry about the numbers running together.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 14, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Saw That Article Earlier Too

Good piece.

By the way, the only guy on there who was rated “success” was Bart Starr. And he wasn’t really a success in Green Bay after that. He still posted a losing record and didn’t win anything, it’s just that he lasted until retirement because nobody had the balls to fire him. Kind of like how no coach after Holmgren had the balls to bench Brett Favre for throwing 6 picks in a playoff game and screwing his teammates over. So his only success was that he was allowed to quit instead of getting the axe.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 4:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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