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Morning Update (What They're Saying About Pioli Edition)

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Jason Whitlock at his finest:

But when it comes to the Patriots and success, we just don’t know where Belichick ends and everybody else begins. The Patriots are like the Jackson 5, and Belichick is Michael Jackson. Crennel and Weis proved to be Tito and Jackie.

Is Pioli the next Jermaine Jackson, who had a solid solo career? Or, better yet, is Pioli the next Janet Jackson, a megastar just waiting for the opportunity to shine?

Pioli on what he's learned as a talent evaluator:

"Not to get caught up in the numbers. The things like height, weight and speed. The test numbers. It's not getting too caught up in numbers. I've made mistakes by getting caught up with the workouts. Tom Brady took some heat recently when they showed a video of his running a 40-yard dash. Tommy's speed and running has nothing to do with his pocket presence. Here is a guy, he has vision. He has the feel. He has the sense. He knows when to step up, so his athleticism is due to his awareness. Ted Bruschi, his instincts are incredible. They're rare. He plays a lot faster than what his numbers on paper would indicate. Ty Warren's strength-I remember when Ty was coming out, his overall wasn't great but he has this brute strength. Wes Welker is another guy. He has enough quickness to get away from folks."

The closest link to Bill Belichick:

As bad as those losses are, even collectively they may not equal the impact of Pioli. Bill Belichick's right-hand man for nine years, the 43-year-old played an integral role in the team’s drafting and free agent signings.

He shared an extremely close relationship with Belichick, as evidenced by the coach’s surprisingly personal statement yesterday.

Adam Teicher:

For Pioli’s position, Hunt interviewed several other candidates, including New York Giants pro personnel director Dave Gettleman and a couple of former NFL general managers, Ted Sundquist of Denver and Floyd Reese of Tennessee.

But from the start, the Chiefs seemed intent on hiring Pioli.

"It was a one-horse race," a second source said.

No shortage of work ethic in Pioli:

Those close to Pioli say he is a tireless worker, some workdays lasting upwards of 20 hours. If there was an extra assignment left over from a less motivated coworker, former Murray State coach Mahoney says, Pioli would pick it up himself and do what he could before shutting the lights off for the night. Nothing could come between Pioli and football — nothing except Dallas Parcells.

Leaving no stones unturned:

He showed a great instinct for scouting players. Even more, though, he worked for any advantage, any extra information, anything that could help the team win. When the Browns were interested in drafting offensive lineman Orlando Brown, Pioli went down to South Carolina State and personally worked him out — getting knocked all over the field.

Bob Gretz:

Not a lot is known about just how the Patriots operated in the draft room, but we know Belichick had the final say so. We also know he had a great deal of faith in Pioli and his scouts’ ability to match college players with what Belichick was looking for on his roster. There was most definitely a plan, and most definitely a template for physical characteristics and skills at certain positions.

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You got a good one, gang.

This one hurt more than OC Josh McDaniels leaving for HC in Denver. I like Josh, but to anyone who knows the organization, Pioli was a magician. As GM he has a different role, but hopefully (or not for NE’s sake ;-)) he continues creating a “team” vs. loading up with a bunch of stars more concerned about their bonuses and contracts (not saying that’s your current situation; using it as the 180).

Supposedly, Nick Caserio stepped in as Director of Player Personnel. My understanding is he’s talented enough to take the OC spot if he wanted it. I hope he learned well from Pioli.

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by MaPatsFan on Jan 14, 2009 7:00 AM CST reply actions  

Hurt more than

Brady? We have taken two from you this season. We only are gaining from one though.

by dragon6172 on Jan 14, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Hard to say

Being optimistic about Brady’s recovery, I’d say Pioli leaving will do more long-term damage; Brady’s injury is hopefully short-term, but probably accounted for 1 or 2 losses this season which kept us out of the playoffs. If I’m to believe the NE media and what the Patriots org is saying, he’ll be ready for 2009. If he goes in for another surgery, he can kiss 2009 goodbye.

I think Pioli was a major architect of NE’s success. Sure, it’s difficult to judge the value of a front office guy as there’s not hard-and-fast stats to look at, but he was responsible for filling the roster with talent. True, he hasn’t hit on every cylinder all the time, but he was very good at finding the necessary guy for Belichick (ex: Moss, Welker, RB LaMont Jordan). He knows how to fit guys into a system.

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by MaPatsFan on Jan 14, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed
He knows how to fit guys into a system.

And THAT’s just it. We (Chiefs) haven’t had a “system” since we had a defense with DT, Smith and Edwards in the secondary where we “fit” guys into it.
We need to build a system like NE has done and acquire talent that “fits”. That’s the benefit of Pioli

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

(facepalm) at the Jackson reference. Gawd :P

You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?

by Mully on Jan 14, 2009 7:05 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Two Thoughts on Pioli

1) The only interview question needed when looking for a new coach:

Pioli: “How would you use Glen Dorsey?”

2) Gonzo may be out the door

The Patriots, and Pioli, have a well documented history of letting “franchise players” walk. Miloy, Law, Vinitari, Samuels…. Pioli is the Anti-Carl when it comes to personal loyalty. I’m okay with it, but Chiefs fans may need to brace themselves for a new way of doing business.

by mushin on Jan 14, 2009 7:13 AM CST reply actions  

I have a feeling

that Pioli already has a time line in mind for when he wants the Chiefs to be playoff contenders (it may be as soon as 2009, but it is likely 2010)…if that is the case, I don’t think Gonzo will be going anywhere for 4 reasons

1) He has a different attitude about the game and his team than guys like Law or Samuel
2) He is more irreplaceable than those guys you listed
3) He doesn’t appear to be recovering from injury/declining (Law)
4) He isn’t demanding a ridiculous amount of money (Samuel)

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 14, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree with your reasoning but don't be surprised

I completely agree that Gonzo should stay, but if he stays it will be for football reasons. The days of players hanging around because they’re good friends with the GM are over.

by mushin on Jan 14, 2009 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

However the argument can be made that Gonzo is not declining – as he had a banner year and got all Pro. And the flip to the Pats consistently letting aging players go is Junior Seau. I mean they pull him out of retirement… twice!

by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 14, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Traffic?

Hey Chris/PT, any stats on how much activity spiked last night? I know someone suggested a roll call, which might be kind of tedious to list everyone’s name, but do you know how many hits you had? As of this morning there are 650+ comments on the two Pioli threads, but I know I’m one of probably many that didn’t comment because I was too busy basking in the glory that was The Hire, and reading everyone else’s comments.
Just curious…the site definitely was blowing up.

by thehulk on Jan 14, 2009 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

There will be a FanPost up later today about it

We’re hitting a nice little milestone today in terms of traffic…

by Joel Thorman on Jan 14, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

parcells

I know there’s an in-law relationship there, but I don’t get the comment of Dallas and Parcells coming between Pioli and football.

by bankmeister on Jan 14, 2009 8:03 AM CST reply actions  

That's Pioli's Wife's Name

Parcells named his daughter Dallas.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Jan 14, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

thats two!

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 14, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Or Eric-a :)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

All right now!!

Whats wrong with Erica?:)

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

teetering on three :)

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 14, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

What is it, pick on Eric day?(week)

I can handle it, I am on cloud nine!

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

We know bud

We’re all there with you, that’s why we can joke around. The franchise is finally making major moves after a long, long, long time.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Jan 14, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

kinda like a homeless man finding a new box!

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jan 14, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh Lanier that was just wrong!:)

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Sunday night lights

I just want to play under the lights one time geez . Or have a monday night football game .

by sexassassin on Jan 14, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

What the hell!:)

Welcome to KC Scott Pioli, home of the most rabid football fans in the NFL!

by Eric Allen on Jan 14, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

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