This is the part where I make some excuses for the kid. Thigpen was always second-fiddle to Croyle in the development pool--he deserves a full offseason to work with receivers (to develop timing), work on his mechanics (see if that improves his accuracy), work with good coaches (not Dick Curl), and THEN we can see if he's the answer. His accuracy would improve a lot if he could develop timing with his receivers and I'm not completely convinced that his deep ball couldn't improve if he started to step into his throws. If he puts in the time this offseason, he has the potential to improve dramatically.
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Thats true. I’d like the chiefs to bring in a guy int he third round like Graham Harrell to compete with Thigpen out of training camp. If Bradfords there at pick 3, I think we need to take him though
by SayHeyWerd on Jan 11, 2009 6:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Take a QB
and develop Thigpen. I am not that high on him other than as a #2 but part of me feels we don’t know what he could do with a real QB coach. But I think it’s crazy to put a season on the hopes he will be the one then there you are next year hoping someone falls to you.
by FrankPitts on Jan 11, 2009 6:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
a QB at #3
won’t start the season under center for Game 1. Not unless KC breaks the bank on him to bypass the slotting system for draftee contract negotiation. While I’m sure there are exceptions, I’ve heard rather a lot in the news of top-5 QBs hitting training camp on Day 1 or later, and not being able to help much in their first season.
Any numbers guys got data on this, supporting or refuting my anecdotal stuff?
So sure, draft a QB at #3. IMO he won’t be signed until ‘Camp is well underway, and won’t be able to compete with Thigpen, and will be an utter wash for ’09. Maybe offseason grooming/training will help out TT as much as Yoon thinks it will – I hope so. I just hope that somehow, somewhere, KC finds the help that both lines so desperately need.
The talent of the other players is largely irrelevant when playing behind a bad line, in either phase of the game.
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better next season.
A rookie QB drafted at #3 has less than a %5 chance of starting Game one of '09. Slotting holdouts will prevent him from competing with Thigpen.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 12, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll get slammed for this
I think we have enough QBs on the Chiefs roster. Drafting a popular name QB when we need depth at QB protection and defense doesn’t make sense to me. Just because a guy is popular and has decent stats doesn’t mean he will do well in the NFL.
If we get good coaching and protection of the QBs we have, they will be productive. We already have great potential in Thigpen, Grey we really don’t know about, and Croyle (and I don’t agree with the curse or to fragile arguments) all have more potential to be good QBs now. We have already hashed out, that any QB with a poor line, will be a poor QB. Even a decent QB with an awesome line, will look great. Our priority THIS off season should be building a powerful O-Line and our Defense, with every draft pick. Once we establish that we can protect our QBs, open running lanes, know what sort of QBs we have, and have a respected QB coach, then we can go pick our QBOF to develop. Otherwise, we are wasting our pick on more fodder for the opposing defense to maul.
by TXChiefan on Jan 11, 2009 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How can you not believe in thigpen at this point
Once we incorporated the spread he played as well as any qb we’ve had since Green in 2005…Sure he needs to be more accurate with his throws but do we remember how bad our offense was before he came along
He can run, he can throw down field..We threw more down field with thigpen this year a lot and I remember converting a lot of those down the field passes..Give the guy a break..He hasn’t even played an entire season yet..He didn’t come in to the season having chemistry with bowe or gonzalez..I think he can come in next year and perform with the top qb’s in the league..I believe had he started since the beginning of the season (with the spread offense) we’d have been top 10 in the league in offense..
I think Gray is pretty good as well..We have sooo many other needs like d line, o line, line backer that need to be addressed thru the draft and free agency..If we don’t take a line backer and a DE withour first two picks I’ll be pissed..And Brodie needs to be kicked to the curb..Even suggesting him a spot on our roster is blasphemy..The guy can’t stay healthy..We’ve been over this soo many times at this point..He’s had soo many chances yet always always always gets injured..Thigpen makes plays happen..We didn’t win games this year because our defense was terrible..It’s just a shame thigpen can’t play defense either
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 11, 2009 7:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And why does everyone seem to not like the spread
Everyone sems to think just because thigpen didn’t perform well in a traditional offense that he’s a second rate qb, or that this team is better with a traditional offense which is just a lame arguement and doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense..Our o line is awful..We have two good o line men and that’s it..But we have two very mobile qb’s who fit well in the spread..Just because some of you prefer to do what every other team does on offense doesn’t make it the right fit for this team..
by CALIFAN1986 on Jan 11, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+ a million.
Well, not on everything, mostly just on the “why does everyone seem to not like the spread” idea.
by rockchalk on Jan 12, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
spread is great
but the reason a lot of people dont like the spread is because you cant run off it your limited with run plays . we couldent score from the one yard line . The only way it works for the run is on draw plays and if you run how the eagles run westbrook small passes and have blockers in front if you can do that the spread makes sense but our o line is not that good at blocking for the run . Im down for the spread if you run it like the pats and the eagles but ,we dont run it like they do . I think we need to mix it up. Under center and spread so the d fence doesnt know what we will do thats what good teams do thats what we need to do for us to win.
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best player available
If you look at the chiefs right now there are alot of holes. There are to many holes for us to reach on any one certain player in the draft. If the third pick comes around and there is a franchise style quarterback on the board then we need to take him. We can talk about potential but the fact is that we did not win very many games with Croyle or Thigpen. There is no problem having Thigpen competing with a new quarterback this summer. Carl is gone and I hope our new gm won’t carry on the tradition of being scared to draft a quarterback in the first round. Lets not be content with an ok quarterback.
by Big Wit on Jan 11, 2009 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There are glaring reasons why we didn't win with the QBs we have
That is O-Line and Defense. I agree CALIFAN, Tyler did a great job coming in and working with the spread style of offense. It seems that people are forgetting that this is his first year as QB. He didn’t have the challenges in college like many and he is learning, but he has the composure and skills. He needs a good offseason and he needs to keep working with a good coach, but he held pace with the best QBs in the league, even though he had a semi-sucky line and a real-sucky coach. (the reason I say semi-suck line, is because they did improve as the year progressed). Tyler Thigpen just may be “The Man”, but he needs time in the pocket (more than two seconds) and the team needs a defense. There are more issues to be addressed, and he does need to get comfortable with all aspects of the game, but he did a fantastic job considering the circumstances he was delt.
It can’t be any clearer. O-Line and defense. We address those and we win games. Tyler, Quinn, and Brodie will all be very, very competent with the qualities and skills that they possess. They just need the surounding offense and defense to support them.
by TXChiefan on Jan 11, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
love it again
I didn’t know it was your post TX til the end but I can’t agree more.
by Dustin SLO,CA on Jan 11, 2009 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is the kind of thinking
That has kept us from winning a playoff game for years. You sound like Carl Peterson. It does not matter what kind of offensive line the chiefs have because Tyler Thigpen does not have the tools to be an elite quarterback. Quin Gray is not an elite quarterback. And nobody knows anything about Brodie because he gets hurt every half hour. I just want the chiefs to use some imagination. I want them to stay ahead of the curve. Keeping Tyler Thigpen is exactly what Carl Peterson would do because he does not like to take risks. I say take some risks. It cant get worse. We have all seen mediocre qb’s on a good team. Bono, Grbac, Green. I am tired of it.
by Big Wit on Jan 11, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m tired of “make do” QB’s.
by FrankPitts on Jan 11, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how you can call them "make do" QBs
I would call them “Get it done” QBs – at least Tyler. Look at his development and production while surrounded by one of the worst lines in the NFL, and the most near to last defense, and how close we were to actually winning against playoff caliber teams. Yes, there were some huge letdowns as well (Bengals game), but Tyler is on the edge of being a really top of the league QB. We can’t go running after franchise QBs if we can’t protect them. We can’t win unless we can hold the other team to less than 20 pts per game. We can’t develop a young QB if we don’t have the coaches to coach him and utilize him.
I’m all for getting a top young gun, but we have just gone through a savage rebuild and aren’t finished with key fills. IF we are active in the FA and can solidify the O-Line or D sufficiently to protect and defend, then I’d support it 100%. If not, then move on down the bench Daemon and Brodie, because there will be more coming.
by TXChiefan on Jan 11, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't keeping Thigpen as starter a "risk"
A lot of so called experts around the league say he is the guy. If Lenny likes you, you have to be doing something right. I would venture to bet Minnesota is kicking themselves in the ass right now.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 11, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota
actually went to the playoffs. We didn’t. I seriously doubt their kicking themselves in the ass because of Thigpen. We’re kicking ourselves in the ass for letting Jared go to Minnesota.
Let's call him...Trogdor the Burninator!
by mistamic on Jan 12, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Thigpen won 1 game and now he’s “the answer”…Jared got 14.5 sacks and we’ve forgettoen about him.
What a joke
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Minn made it to the playoffs despite their QB play.
What does Thigpen and Allen have to do with each other. Also Jared Allen had a hell of a defensive line. Why didn’t he lead the league?
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We bag on Jared for being a boozer (me included)
and he has a heck of a season and no one gives him credit. I bagged on him and he had a heck of a season.
Thigpen wins 1 game and he’s the second coming with some wanting to “give him” the starting spot and not even attempt to draft a QB.
Allen could have had a helluva defensive line, but his individual play can’t be denied.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He isn't the second coming
Name a QB in the draft worth the #3 overall pick. So right now why doesn’t he get a shot.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he doesn't "GET" a shot
Read my signature line. He can COMPETE for the job, but unless he tells Holly Starr he’s concentrating on getting better and that she’ll need to fit in his schedule for pecker workouts he needs to/needed to:
….start on a regimen (last week) with a physical trainer
….work on looking at tape
…work with the practice squad guys (and anyone else still in town) and working on the deep balls
…and lastly improve with running a Pro Offense ALL the way up to and including training camp to get better, I don’t see him as a starter without getting/starting the aforementioned now.
You’re assumming we need to take one a #3. I never said that, but if available, Bradford seems to still be the top choice from the scouts….I’ll have to see him in the combine.
I never said he (Jared) was the second coming…I SAID that I was all for getting rid of him last season since I didn’t think he could produce and be a big factor this year. He proved me wrong on the field.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Because claiming someone off the waiver wire is the same as trading a player for a first, two thirds and a sixth (which turned out to be Branden Albert, Dajuan Morgan, Kevin Robinson and Jamaal Charles).
Exactly the same.
If it were me, I’d make the trade again. And again. And a million times over.
by rockchalk on Jan 15, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Because claiming someone off the waiver wire is the same as trading a player for a first, two thirds and a sixth (which turned out to be Branden Albert, Dajuan Morgan, Kevin Robinson and Jamaal Charles).
Exactly the same.
If it were me, I’d make the trade again. And again. And a million times over.
by rockchalk on Jan 15, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Because claiming someone off the waiver wire is the same as trading a player for a first, two thirds and a sixth (which turned out to be Branden Albert, Dajuan Morgan, Kevin Robinson and Jamaal Charles).
Exactly the same.
If it were me, I’d make the trade again. And again. And a million times over.
by rockchalk on Jan 15, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Because claiming someone off the waiver wire is the same as trading a player for a first, two thirds and a sixth (which turned out to be Branden Albert, Dajuan Morgan, Kevin Robinson and Jamaal Charles).
Exactly the same.
If it were me, I’d make the trade again. And again. And a million times over.
by rockchalk on Jan 15, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Because claiming someone off the waiver wire is the same as trading a player for a first, two thirds and a sixth (which turned out to be Branden Albert, Dajuan Morgan, Kevin Robinson and Jamaal Charles).
Exactly the same.
If it were me, I’d make the trade again. And again. And a million times over.
by rockchalk on Jan 15, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did thigpen make us lose?
Did Thiggy lose vs NYJ, Tampa, both Chargers, New Orleans, Buffalo, Denver and Miami? NO. Our defense did. So we need help on D.
We SHOULD have won the NYJ, Tampa both SD, and Denver games. We would have been at least 7-9 which would have meant the playoffs. DEFENSE.
by Dustin SLO,CA on Jan 11, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We lost
Thigpen and the D are the same team If thigpen gets a first down its not the Ds fault you stay on the field and down it to win the game we couldent do that cuz we had no run game . And yes the D sucks I say work on D and O line the draft is rich with D men and O men lets stock up keep thigpen and work around him.
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you missed the point
Yeah but the Defense couldn’t stop shit. Every one of those games. We need help on DEFENSE waaaay more. And O-line. We should not waste our 3rd pick on a QB!
Everyone’s been saying how all the QB’s (-Warner) in the playoffs were 1st round picks. I’m saying if we had any Defense at all, Thigpen would have been in the playoffs. (even though i think if we had made it, it would have been a waste).
by Dustin SLO,CA on Jan 12, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The only thing I really question is . Is Tyler going to be the man when that type of pressure is on . Im talking stadium rocking every play counts in the heart of the beast is tyler going to be the qb you want when you are facing a pitts or a ravens D in the championship game ? And im not saying waste our pick on some soph qb we have more needs . but is tyler the man?
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually take it a step further:
“Is Tyler the type of QB that will (not can) take us to the SB?”
If you believe in your heart of hearts that he’s the one, than I can’t argue with anyone defending him. When Manning(s), Rothlisberger and yes, even when Rivers were drafted (and I’ve yet to see it happen for him), I had a feeling that these guys were going to make the show.
I gave a bigger “nod” to Ryan over Flacco during the draft, but Flacco has shown me he plays “smart” and “within his abilities” which is waaaay beyond any rookie I’ve seen.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
And neither do any of you.
Only 1 way to find out….
by Dustin SLO,CA on Jan 12, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
An elite QB cannot win behind a bad line.
Period. Joe Montana with Walter Payton and Jerry Rice, all in their prime, couldn’t have won with the 08 O-line, and the 08 D.
As I’ve said before (and will keep saying), drafting a QB at #3 will not make a difference in 09. He won’t get signed soon enough to be ready for the season.
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better next season.
A rookie QB drafted at #3 has less than a %5 chance of starting Game one of '09. Slotting holdouts will prevent him from competing with Thigpen.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flacco has so far and won 2 playoff games.
It’s about not making mistakes…and Flacco hasn’t. No INT’s and no throws into quadruple coverage…yes quadruple
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flacco
I agree no one gave him a chance but he has the luxury of making big mistakes with that D . Even though he doesnt but he has a strong arm good height and a lot of patience in the pocket and a ruuuun game . run game D wins super bowls
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope...have to say you're wrong
He doesn’t have the luxury of making mistakes.
It goes back to “Protecting the football”..we hear it all the time and let me give you a reason why the Ravens won the last 2 games. Look at his turnovers the last 2 games in the playoffs.
Offensive turnover- Flacco’s job is to either take the sack or throw it out of bounds if he can’t make the throw. No one on the Ravens will criticize him for either. he knows his “place” on the Offense…it’s to play smart football ergo, protect the football by not turingin it over.
“Sugar” (Lewis) would be all over him for making the defense have to protect the score if he losses the ball on their side of the field….he hasn’t done it and THAT’s why the defense has been successful and they won in Tenn. Had he lost the football and not played smart, the Titans would ahve won as close as that game was.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hence why I said
Even though he doesnt make mistakes
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read it as..
…he HAS the luxury of making mistakes…he doesn’t have that luxury or they lose even with that Defense. Defense can only do so much if a QB makes turnovers.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flacco
well if you do that math he turned the ball over just as much as thigpen only problem was he has a defense we dont and he has a run game we dont how hard is that to see. hence he has the luxury of making those mistakes .
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
…read the post. PLAYOFFS…we’re talking PLAYOFFS
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
playoffs
Flacco has a big time d and run game thats why they are in the playoffs were not . Thats why we are sitting here talking like assholes to each other.
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why we are sitting here talking like assholes to each other.
Speak for yourself. If you don’t like it, don’t go away mad, just go away. The reason this board is here is for contructive discussions and idea exchange.
You can credit everyone you want, but he makes the decisions in the pocket. He can screw up a hand off to the RB and he can throw into double, triple or quadruple coverage. He can try to get away from the sack and lose the ball and he can throw an INT with no one around.
If he makes mistakes they can have the best Defense in history and still lose the game. Delhomme with 6 turnovers says it all.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
Im not going nowhere of course if you turn the ball over six times dude read what im writing before you open your mouth
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did
and read mine. A QB turnovers will directly impact wins regardless of how your D is playing.
And complete sentences helps in making a point, btw. Delhomme is a great example of why Carolina lost. They could have had the Ravens D and they still would have lost that game.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flacco had the same amount of interceptions as thigpen
So why is Flacco in the playoffs and we are not if they had the same amount of turnovers?
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because it's not a one dimensional game
If you want to attribute success to JUST defense, ST, or Offense than we can go round and round.
You attributed the Ravens success to the Defense and although I’m not arguing they are the best Defense in the Playoffs, a one dimensional team deosn’t win games. It takes all 3 teams.
If you want to talk about Thigpen, one of his main reasons for throwing all the INT’s was throwing into double and triple coverage…quadruple against Cincy.
Couple that with the fact that he threw mainly to TG, than to Bowe and until the end of the season he mixed it up a bit more, Defense reads were much easier.
Now our Defense speaks for itself.
As far as Flacco was concerned (and I’ve watched Ravens games), they would run the ball and do short passes/screens on their side of the 50. Once they played past the 50, they would let Flacco make longer (10+ yard passes). When he did screw up and throw INT’s, the opposing team had a lot of real estate to cover against the Baltimore Defense.
That pretty much covers it.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sooo
Having a D and a run game give you a luxury is basically what you are saying ?
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand the question.
There’s isn’t a luxury. They play to their strengths. Defense is the Ravens strength and their Offense opens up past the 50.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just one more note
if you want to be entertained with watch the game this weekend and pay special attention to Flacco.
Watch the play calling when they are on their own side of the 50. It’ll be run and screen/short passes. When they are on the opposing 50, they’ll open it up for Flacco to throw longer balls.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya its called
running the ball your not going to throw that many passes in the red zone the D gets tighter its not rocket science they can run the ball .
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the red zone is inside the 20
I’m talking inside the 50
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They run the ball they have D
your making all my points that I have stated .
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK..interpret it any way you want
but it still comes down to the QB not making mistakes and playing smart football.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why do people say stuff of the top of their head
and claim it to be fact???
Mark Bradley in weeks 8-11 – 23 rec, 2 TD
weeks 12-17 – 8 rec, 1 TD (week 12)
D-Bowe 8-11 – 21 rec, 3 TD
12-17 – 31 rec, 2 TD (1 week 12)
TG 8-11 – 28 rec, 3TD
12-17 – 41 rec, 5 TD (1 week 12)
sounds like the opposite….
5 of thigpen’s 12 picks came AFTER the Falcons game. Thigpen had to TRY to win the game EVERY game. Flacco had A LOT OF HELP.
by Dustin SLO,CA on Jan 12, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soooo
there is no brunt in responsibility for his choices in throwing into triple and quad coverage? Fine. NP. It’s not his fault.
He’s the answer going from week 8 forward.
I won’t disagree with you and I’m wrong about Thigpen…….at least until the HC puts out the depth chart.
These topics have been rehashed SOOOO many times here it’s become old and tiresome and until next season we’ll see who’s right.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow you're dense...
no i guess you’re right.
He will never learn to look off coverage. He’ll never learn to read defenses better. He will never gain chemistry with anyone other than tony. I forget that he’s not human. He’s programmed and he’s stuck in his ways for life.
Maybe you can go in at QB. I mean with quadruple coverage, that means basically the entire 2ndary is covering 1 man so all you have to do is throw to the other side of the field and you’re golden.
by Dustin SLO,CA on Jan 12, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forget that he’s not human. He’s programmed and he’s stuck in his ways for life.
He’s got the entire offseason to prove me wrong if he’s our QBOF.
He is who we thought he was. Until he wins the 1st string position, wins more than 1 game I couldn’t care less what he can or can’t learn and people wanting to sanctify him.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and I agree
That you will not win a super bowl making turn overs I see that but can you be a competitor yes flacco is and example
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flacco
and just to do some stats flacco only has 45 attemps this entire playoffs completeing only 44.4% thats last place out of all the qbs left in the playoffs .Having a run game and a D like I said helps. How can the guy make make turn overs if he not really attempting to throw the ball ?I give him credit for not turning the ball over but you have to throw to do that. And this season he had the same amount as int as thigpen.
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you need to read the post again
PLAYOFFS
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to guess that there is a language barrier here.
I still don’t understand what you are trying to say.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That is how Worthlessberger won his superbowl. This guy seems to think we need to ignore everything until we get a QB.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Worthlisberger"
Wow…ok, says it all. Maybe you need to wait until his seasons over before making fun of a SB winning QB.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the guy
He gets way to much credit for what his team does. He is a good QB no doubt.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
….misunderstood your “Worthlisberger” comment as being that he’s not a good QB.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No it is joke
due to his name. He is one who definately benefits from what was already in place though.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But keep in mind
…that the Steelers are nowhere near the same they were back then. It was so Bettis heavy (no pun) that the Offense is much different in how they run today compared to what they were.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
They are still a running team. They don’t throw a ton. They manage Big Ben’s attempts still. He just now getting 400 attempts a season.
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by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I wasn't clear
Bettis used to run North to South…ala Okoye and Word. Now they run the Steelers like a Marcus Allen ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What part of #3 did you not see?
“Flacco was drafted by the Baltimore Ravens 18th overall”
Flacco
“The Baltimore Ravens have signed 18th overall 2008 NFL Draft pick Joe Flacco to a five-year contract worth nearly $30 million. The former Delaware quarterback will enter training camp on time to compete for the team’s starting job.”
July 17, 2008
Where’s your top-5 QB who either A) got to trainning camp on time and succeeded or B) Got to camp late after contract negotiations kept him out, and succeeded., in their rookie years?
Flacco didn’t throw any INTs this season? Really? (s’long as we’re playing silly games here)
And finally, since you’ve either forgotten, or not read my stuff, I will repeat: Draft a QB to compete, just not at #3. There are needs we can fill at #3 that will be better suited to help in 09 than a QB will, provided they are conditioning properly (and at that slot, conditioning should play a role in evaluation for the selection). Better yet, trade down and get someone we can actually sign in time to get to camp – even a QB, in that situation, if he’s the BPA
If the O-line isn't built up, a rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better next season.
A rookie QB drafted at #3 has less than a %5 chance of starting Game one of '09. Slotting holdouts will prevent him from competing with Thigpen.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 12, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So as shitty as our team is
You want us to draft a QB with the third overall pick. We would end up with a situationa like Alex Smith, David Carr, or Joey Harrington. We have no help for him. Successful teams build a foundation first, IE a freaking line.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
I think we need to get other pieces in place and get them some experience this year, and think about taking a QB next year. No matter who our QB is, we won’t win without a defense that can stop the opponent and an OL that can open holes for the running game (to, you know, take pressure off the passing game).
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 12, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...let's go other places
and HOPE that the QB we have “fits” into that scheme. Let’s HOPE that the arrowspread stays.
That’s the problem the last 20 years with this team is putting the cart before the horse. You want a franchise that competes for the playoffs? You build AROUND a QB. We haven’t TRIED to do that since Blackledge and we’ll always be mediocre if we don’t start.
The old formula of Carl’s doesn’t work. Teams that have built around their QB are the successful ones for years.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and before someone says
..“yeah, Blackledge…how did that turn out?”…I’ll respond with…“Yeah. Leaf and they got it right with Rivers”
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So did the teams left in the playoffs do that?
Did any of the teams who made the playoffs do that? Rivers had an awesome team for jump street. The Colts and that about sums it up.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean the SD Chargers
that were 8-8 and no one gave a chance to do anything in the playoffs? Yeah. You mean the statistically #1 rated QB that is on a squad that can build around him and become a better offense in the eyars to come? Yeah.
You mean the Raven with Flacco (See my post above). Yeah. You mean Manning whose been in the playoffs the last 6 year and won a SB? Yeah, they’re still a contender even next year.
You mean Rothlisberger that was taken #1 and is still int eh playoffs and is a big factor in winning SB’s and making the Steelers competitive and playoff contenders year after year? Yeah
You mean Eli that was taken #1 and won the SB last year and makes the Giants a Playoff factor every year? Yeah
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh.....
You are talking about getting a QB and building around them. The Colts are the only team that did that. The other QBs had good teams to come in to. Wow do you read anything before you fly off the handle? Indianapolis built around Manning. Rivers already had a team in place. Flacco has a good team around his. Matt Ryan has a good defense and the second leading rusher in the league. McNabb had a good defense and they didn’t do much with the offense that is any different. Eli had a pretty good team he was coming into. Big Ben already had a good team.
Your argument is to take a QB and build around them. Most of those QBs that are in the playoffs already had a foundation. SO YEAH that is who I am talking about all those you speak of. Our team sucks we need to pick other positions first. I am not saying hand him the job, but right now until we get someone better it is his.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And those teams continued to build arounf their QB's strengths and play style
I’m not saying that there isn’t a need to fix other positions on the O and D. That’s a given and we can do it in FA and drafting..
Manning had (I believe 3 or 7 players left on his team…can’t recall from the story on 810) that were STILL around from when they drafted him to when they won the SB. That’s how you build around the QB and that’s just one example. These guys had changes on the Offensive side of the ball once they became franchise QB’s and the FA and draft picks were chosen to better the QB’s style.
There’s no point in arguing this…it’ll come down to “we’ll see”. We’ll see if Thigpen starts and we’ll see who they draft. We’ll also see if we retain the spread.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say the spread goes
The way we know the spread. Teams run a variation of it in the league. The Pats actually run a form of the spread. They just don’t run exclusively out of the gun. I would love to see bring in competition. I just hope it isn’t at the expense of a #3 pick and all the money you would have to give that unproven QB. There just doesn’t seem to be a QB worth that pick. If we can get a Graham Harrel in the 3rd or something like that great. I really like Sanchez but he hamy not be coming out.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Sanchez
I don’t ahve a problem with drafting a QB in the late round and bringing in a FA to compete. That all depends on who’s on the board at the time.
I still want to see the combine, but as I’ve stated before…teams are still touting Bradford as going high…at least their scouts are even with his past performance
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Past Performance = Bowl
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He looked good even in the loss.
I like him as well. Who really knows until they get on the field. The knock on him is that he runs the spread. So……..he doesn’t take every snap in the gun. He actually has to drop back and complete passes. Something be said about the nations most accurate passer.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And that worries me
to an extent. But OTOH his throws and long balls seem to be pro accurate.
It all comes back to players being able to adjust. I LIKE Thigpen…both as a player and a good all around kid. The problem I have is that he came from a practice squad in Minn. where he was having problems with a conventional offense (or so some have said) to having problems adjusting here until the spread wae employed.
It’s always a crapshoot until ANY player begins to play.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True about Minn
But look at Warner, Romo, and Delhomme. They are considered good QBs that didn’t get shot until later in their career. No QB does good in Minn :)
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Romo as much anymore
To me….he proved he’s more hype than a franchise guy. Sorry, but the snap (miss) last year as wello as this year’s playing didn’t really impress me. He went down a few notches in my book.
Ah yes, Warner…a diamond in the rough. I like him, always have. I think he proves that maybe guys need to have hourly jobs before they go pro to really stoke their fire.
Delhomme…he had it won. He friggin had it won this last weekend had he kept his head straight. I couldn’t believe 6 picks!!!! Well again, I think he is what he is. I put him in the same category as…get this…yes, gonna say it…Jim Kelley from the Bills.
I’ll give you Warner…2 SB appearances and on his way to possibly another chance at the show.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scenario 1: Phillip Rivers
We decide Stafford is way better than any QB that will be available in next year’s draft. We spend big money in free agency on a DE and an MLB. We draft Stafford at #3, and we go OL in rounds 2 and 3. Stafford rides the bench for the first half of the season as the new O linemen get some experience. The moment we are out of the playoff picture we bench Thigpen for Stafford so he can go through some ‘growing pains’. In next year’s draft we use our relatively high pick on an RB.
This scenario could also be called the Stupid Money Route, as we would be left paying LJ more money than some religions, mountains of cash to our free agent DE and MLB, a number 5 pick last year, and a number 3 pick this year (who will be getting paid a lot of money to not play the first half of the season). Cha-ching!
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Not Being Realistic
If you build your team around one player and they get hurt, where does that leave you? Neither Bradford nor Stafford will be able to immediately lead this team to victorious glory, they will need a solid line and a dependable defense. I can think of two scenarios that could unfold over the next few months, each scenario named for the current NFL QB that most resembles it. For both I will assume that if Bradford declares, Detroit will draft him, making Stafford our best option to draft a QB. But even if Bradford is available, these scenarios still pretty much stand.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The same place that NE is
….with a comparable backup in Cassell that has a very similar QB style to Brady. Your backups need to step up.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What round was Cassell drafted in?
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I know...
…BUT, they drafted him based on his QB style that would mesh with their current Offense. It ISN’T about which round you get a QB when you have a franchise guy, it’s about a QB that can fit into your offense when y7our franchise guy goes down.
He sure fit in with an 11-5 record.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It is all hard to figure in KC
We don’t know what the offense is even going to be. Will Chan Gailey be here? Who is going to be the next offensive coordinator. Once that is figured out, then you worry about the direction you go.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a +10 comment
and we don’t know anything. It’s pure speculation. Youa re absolutely correct.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes because what is Pioli or whoever they hire
Going to want to start with and who?
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big question
that’s why I think with as many posts we have we’ve hit all the angles….lol. Seriously, the Chiefs can jsut link to this board to get all their ideas…the legworks been done.
Can you imagine if they pick a GM and HC from totally left field that we haven’t discussed? OMG, I think the servers would meltdown here.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point who knows?
People are freaking out because we haven’t rushed into signing a GM. Kind of a big and expensive position to rush. I want it to happen because it is like anticipating Christmas morning as a kid.
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by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NE isn't a valid example
They didn’t build around Tom Brady. They were playoff-bound with Bledsoe at the helm, so Brady took over an already solid team. After Brady took over, NE continued doing what they do better than anybody, evaluating talent. I would say they are a better example of plugging a QB into a solid team. Brady was a sixth round pick who had trouble holding his starting spot in college and Cassell hadn’t started a game since high school. NE wasn’t built around either (with the possible exception of last year, what with bringing in Moss and Welker).
The most successful example of your build-around-a-player scheme is Indianapolis and their offense is completely different without Peyton Manning, as is their D without Bob Sanders or Dwight Freeney.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 12, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scenario 2: Joe Flacco
We decide Stafford isn’t worlds better than any QB we can draft next year. We spend big money in free agency on either a DE. We dangle Crabtree or Stafford as trade-bait to an NFC team slated to pick near the middle of round 1, and submit to accepting less than ‘trade-chart’ value for trading down, picking up only an additional 3rd round pick in this year’s draft. With our new middle-of-round 1 pick we take either the kid from USC or Ohio State at MLB. Round 2 we take a top-notch guard or RT. In round 3 we use our first pick to draft ‘spread’ QB (I think Harrell) and the second pick on a guard or RT (which ever wasn’t taken in round 2). We let Thigpen and Harrell battle it out for the starting spot and keep the Arrowspread, which isn’t technically a ‘spread’ offense but more of a traditional NFL offense from the shotgun. We slowly start to incorporate more under-center plays throughout the season. In next year’s draft we take a dependable game-manager at QB (Colt McCoy, if we can).
This scenario leaves us with a much better defense, an offensive line with experience, and three QBs with potential (Thigpen, Harrell, and McCoy) without breaking the bank.
Either way, we won’t be a legitimate contender until two year’s from now.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 12, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scenario 1: Phillip Rivers
We decide Stafford is way better than any QB that will be available in next year’s draft. We spend big money in free agency on a DE and an MLB. We draft Stafford at #3, and we go OL in rounds 2 and 3. Stafford rides the bench for the first half of the season as the new O linemen get some experience. The moment we are out of the playoff picture we bench Thigpen for Stafford so he can go through some ‘growing pains’. In next year’s draft we use our relatively high pick on an RB.
This scenario could also be called the Stupid Money Route, as we would be left paying LJ more money than some religions, mountains of cash to our free agent DE and MLB, a number 5 pick last year, and a number 3 pick this year (who will be getting paid a lot of money to not play the first half of the season). Cha-ching!
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 12, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like Matt Leinart, Brady Quinn, and Aaron Rodgers.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Quinn or Rodgers right now
to compete with Thigpen in camp.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rodger's situation was a bit different
when he was picked. I am just saying how they drafted a QB first round and set them on them bench paying them first round money . Quinn wasn’t good enough to take the job from Derek Anderson. Anderson is also a decent QB for that matter. They are stuck paying a lot of money for two QBs
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by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say this
….I liked Quinn but I think the Browns were so stuck on not pushing him too fast and benched him. You’re right…. I think that mindset is wrong. I think QB’s that ride the bench and they’re paying them all that money doesn’t give them the experience they need.
OTOH, Rodgers rode the bench and they thought he could just “step in” to Favre’s shoes. I don’t think his style is the same as Brett’s OR he just isn’t good enough. I don’t think it was as easy for him as Cassell…in regards to “fitting in”.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cassell didn't really have anything to loose and that is the difference
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by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True...everyone gave up on the season
except the staff and team. But the funny thing is that when I look at that kid, he looks awefully like Brady. Jsut his presence and how he looks for his options. Brady’s alter ego ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WHY can't I write the word "just" today?
Caffeine calling my name
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
…and people forget that the cap is goign up to $136 million. They’re saying in NE that they’ll keep both Brady and Cassell with is a $30 Million hit and supposedly leaves plenty for the rest of the team….jsut FYI
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw something
I can’t remember where I read it, saying Minnesota is wanting Cassell.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Jan 12, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...that's an interesting scenario
I wonder how he’d fit in? I need to think about that one.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying it couldn't work
I’m saying it would cost a ton of money, and there is a safer way to go rather than betting the farm on Stafford being great.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 12, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont believe in rivers he throws hospital balls
by sexassassin on Jan 12, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But his team wins
I wasn’t saying I want our QB to be exactly like Rivers. I was saying we could build a team in a similar fashion and be successful. Rodgers may be the better QB of the two who followed this path, but Rivers’ team is more successful.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 12, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He certainly didn’t make us win. This is a results league
by Big Wit on Jan 12, 2009 12:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
His numbers go down..
….from 1st to 2nd to 3rd to 4th quarter. This has been debated on the radio and on here ad nauseum. You’re right…he didn’t make us win.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Jan 12, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This arguement has already been settled
Here- http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/12/29/703854/chiefs-offense-improves-de
Sorry don’t know how to make a better link yet.
Thigpen is not the problem. I love the idea of bringing in a QB to compete with him in the 3rd or 4th round, but we have to go Defense with the third pick and either D or OL in the second….. Or a running back if Larry leaves.
by letral on Jan 12, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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