Kansas City Chiefs Nearly Shock The World
The Kansas City Chiefs nearly shocked the world this afternoon when their attempt to take the New England Patriots to overtime was denied. We have waited all season to have our questions about the team answered but may have even more following this game.
- Are we in the midst of another quarterback controversy?
- Will we have trouble stopping the run all year?
- Can someone not named Bowe or Gonzalez make an impact in the passing game?
- What happened to our linebackers?
- Will Larry Johnson ever look like an elite back again?
I am sure all of you have an opinion on each of these topics. As we discuss this game, let's remember one thing that we all agreed upon in the off-season: We are rebuilding and will not make the playoffs this year. View the remaining games with this in mind and we can objectively predict the progression of key positions (QB, OL, etc).
Check out Pats Pulpit for the latest on Brady's injury. Check out this for stats of the game.
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I know that they say there are no ‘moral victories’, but I think that game was about as close as it gets. To go into Foxboro, with most pundits thinking you’re going to get blown out, and to be in the game right down to the final seconds …
And it was Devard freakin’ Darling who caught the big pass to keep us in it! What the — ?! Who’d’ve expected that?
by JacinB on Sep 7, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I was surprised it was Darling who made that play too.
by Chris Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice hands, Bowe
I haven’t seen any stats on it yet, but I’d like to know how many passes he dropped in this game. The one at the end was particularly disheartening. I’m not talking about the 4th down play that Deltha O’neil got away with the arm-bar pass interference… I’m talking about the 1st down play that went right through his mits – perfect pass that was right where it should have been.
other thoughts
Gonz was awesome, velcro hands and still very difficult to bring down.
Darling finally caught a pass! That was so awesome… but his “blazing speed” couldn’t save the day.
Dorsey gets his first sack – I thought he played well this game. I can’t wait to watch him grow.
Our defense was schizophrenic… looking great at times and looking terrible at others. I don’t know how things would have turned out if Brady didn’t go down.
Croyle made some good throws under pressure, and he took some pretty hefty hits. I wonder how bad his shoulder is hurt?
The sooner we can get MacIntosh out of the starting O-line, the better. It seemed like every time someone was running free and clear at the QB, it was from his side.
In the end, we played better than I expected, and I’m glad we were in it till the end. Nobody gave us a chance, every nimrod on the radio/tv thought this would be over by halftime. I hope this gives us a little fire in the belly and we go take Oakland to the woodshed next week.
by Ochophosphate on Sep 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Three's About Right
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Sep 7, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There probably won't be three
The NFL seems particularly tough on giving drops. But we know what eachother means.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking 5 or 6...
I remember at least 4.
by stlfan on Sep 7, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the loss did hurt but we played good just couldnt make enough plays…..we should have got into the endzone on 4 trys though!!
by kcchiefsfan56 on Sep 7, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought our linebackers were fine.
Not tremendous, sure, but DJ got in there for a couple of plays. Pat Thomas, IMO, is not a NFL-starter in quality, but the OLBs all played fine, I thought, particularly DJ and Demorrio.
Regarding the QB, I sure hope that no one even halfway considers playing Huard at all more than he has to. He had a good drive when he first came in (just like Cassell did), but played like, well, Damon Huard afterward, getting lucky with DVD running wide open with no one even close to him and watching him run down field. Now, to his credit he did make a near-perfect pass there to throw it to DVD in stride, and he made another good pass on 1st down in the Goal-to-go situation to D-Bowe, but his other two passes were poorly thrown, particularly the force-job he made into Tony G on 3rd down.
All-in-all, Damon made some decent plays, but he still played fairly poorly, holding on to the ball too long and forcing some major balls.
Overall, the game was pretty awesome, I thought. I’m still major pissed, but we played really, really well overall, I thought, and our D kept us in the game throughout all 60 minutes, including some big-time awesome 3rd down stops.
A lot of good, and some great, stuff to take away from this game, just the ending makes the whole thing taste sour.
Still, given what we expected coming into the game and the season, and considering that we all know we are going to be pretty bad this year and that we are building for 2010 (and, to a lesser extent, next year) the game was definitely a success. The rookies all played really well (Albert only got beat once IIRC, Flowers and Carr had some awesome defensive man-on-man coverages and Cox played pretty well, not to mention the fastest human alive this side of Usain Bolt [Jamaal Charles], Dantrell Savage’s nice return and Glenn Dorsey’s sack), and most of the young players played well as well. Not to mention that Croyle played ‘good’, and could have played better had they allowed him the liberty they allowed Damon Huard.
Sure, there are some negatives mixed in there, but it was a positive afternoon all around. By a longshot, IMO.
by rockchalk on Sep 7, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damon played poorly?
Fine, we can go back and forth on his mechanics and certain situations, but he got us in the end zone. Croyle didn’t. We nearly won because Huard came in and moved the ball.
I’m finally beginning to see that Huard is just a better quarterback than Croyle, plain and simple.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huard
would have gotten the Chiefs into the end zone a second time if Bowe caught the ball…
by stlfan on Sep 7, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF IF IF
There’s always an IF with Croyle.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowe dropped one in the endzone. Huard put another behind Bowe and in the hands of a Pats defender.
IF Bowe would’ve done his thing and gone up and ‘fought’ for those catches, we would’ve won 21-17.
by JacinB on Sep 8, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The not so special teams
The special teams are still terrible & our kicker couldn’t kick to the end zone. I think for who we where playing the chiefs look darn good. Hope Brodie is going to be OK as Hurd couldnt get out of the way of a turtle especially if he was going against McIntosh . Today our Jamaal Charles look like the starting Rb to me but the line wasn’t opening very many holes . Good start hope we play better against lesser competition I think we well
by oldchieffan on Sep 7, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Except Colquitt
Who was amazing as usual with his punts.
by Ochophosphate on Sep 7, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish
That I wasn’t out here in Hawaii working so I could have watched it. Started at 7am out here, that’s nuts! Going to watch it when I get home… FINALLY GETTING THE HELL OUT OF HERE!
have you seen my baseball?
by IISaiNtII on Sep 7, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I didn’t realize they were so far behind us.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand
YOU’RE IN HAWAII!!!!!!!!!!
Blame my wife!
by sir eccles on Sep 7, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not buying it
Don’t expect us to feel bad for you when we’re in KC.
Jerk! :)
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No sack for Dorsey
- Boone got the sack not Dorsey #72.
I thought that for the most part, Croyle sucked.
by Lloyd Burruss on Sep 7, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very poor performance
Yes, there were extenuating factors that influenced his poor play but at the end of the day Huard got us 10 points on the board and Croyle didn’t.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to think
Larry was so productive his first few years because it was the Hall of Fame line he was behind w/ Roaf, Shields, and Waters. I agree with the calls about McIntosh. We need to reexamine the front line or its going to be another long year. I like our backfield and think we built it well with picks Smith & Charles but they can only create so much
(When is Smith scheduled to return to lineup, next week?)
by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 7, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That’s why you don’t pay a running back. It’s the line!
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duh
Every running back needs an offensive line to block for them.
by ChiefDJ on Sep 7, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Lines' Importance
They’re important to football in the way that catchers were important to Casey Stengel in baseball :)
“You have to have a catcher or you’ll have all passed balls.”
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Sep 8, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reexamine the line?
We have four new starters (three new, one moved positions) How else could we reexamine it?
by Lanier63 on Sep 7, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not forget
The patriots are pretty damn good on the D-Line.
by Tuggurnaut on Sep 7, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
overlooking poor officiating
I know that I will sound like a poor sport or a whiner, but that is not where this comes from. It seems over the past few years that the Patriots get an overwhelming amount of calls for and non-calls against them. This was evident today in 2 game changing situations…… The non-call of the safety in a drive that was allowed to continue and result in a Touchdown and the non-call of pass interference on the 4 & goal. I would hope you will look at the replays and comment back as to whether I am correct or watching with a skewed view because of my devotion to the Chiefs….. however it also sucks when it happens to the Colts, Chargers, Green Bay, etc etc etc
by cx2chad on Sep 7, 2008 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably a different perspective
People probably think the Pats get more calls than other teams because they are so good and usually beating said team.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a chiefs fan but…….recognize poor calls!
by cx2chad on Sep 7, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe in the Patriots conspiracy theory
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched that 2nd down play
from the half foot line like 100 times on my DVR and it was pretty clear that he made it out of the endzone…however, I also watched the first down play, and THAT was a freakin’ safety…the whistle blew when his forward progress was stopped and the ball was ON THE GOALLINE.
by PVChiefsfan on Sep 7, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clumsy
Despite the clumsy looking play of the KC Chiefs, I still think there is alot to look forward to this season. it would seem that Herm Edwards hasn’t completely destroyed the team we once knew…. He’s just close.
by cx2chad on Sep 7, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about you guys...
But i realllly hated that 4th down play call.. the catch that D Bowe would have made is usually such a longshot anyway.. why even call that play.. run something over the middle to T Gon or something.. thats what really pissed me off.. not to mention the drop on 2nd down when we should have tied it anyway
ugh.
by focs on Sep 7, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Before we get too hasty
about assessing our inabilty to both run the ball and stop the run let’s remember that the Patriots have a Pro Bowl LT, LG, and Center, as well as three Pro Bowl Defensive Linemen in their 3-4…the Patriots whole front seven is quite impressive and although we weren’t as effective running the ball as we wanted to be, they did better than I thought they would in pass protection – especially Albert. He has missed every preseason game but kept Seymour out of our QB’s ass all day.
by PVChiefsfan on Sep 7, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Their offensive line is beat up bad
They’re not Pro Bowl caliber until they’re healthy.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But their D-line is healthy
and our o-line did better than I thought they would.
by PVChiefsfan on Sep 8, 2008 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Credit Huard
He played well considering the circumstances. He did put all our points up and that has to count for something. His reps will go way up this week and he’ll be better next weekend Get used to seeing him……….
Our Q.B.‘s need a better effort from of the right side of the line. MacIntosh cetainly didn’t distigush himself today !! Limited lateral mobility – his knees must really be giving him trouble. The Chiefs need to address that quickly or else Thigpen will be playing by the third quarter next week. Either Richardson steps up or they’re going to have to bring someone in.
-Has Larry lost a step or are we not opening any holes big enough ??
-The defence was inconsistant but overall I think they show promise.
-This might not sit well with some here but Sams dId a good job today !!
I hate losing, who doesn’t ? – but looking forward, I’m optimistic…..
by Cat Stabber on Sep 7, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
right tackle
Why isn’t richardson active and getting experience at right tackle. Is he hurt? Have’nt heard much about croyle’s injury. His situation is so frustrating. Damon is an okay backup but not the future. How are we gonna judge this guy hurt and IMO handcuffed by conservative play call. PS Dwayne bowe feel free to catch the FREAKIN ball!
by dklogue1 on Sep 7, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm optimistic
The things they screwed up could always get corrected. Like the running backs picking up blitz’s. McIntosh doesn’t look comfortable on the right side. And I know Richardson’s not ready. We might have to go to Herb Taylor. We are going to have to draft a quarterback. We have to be the worst team in the NFL next to the Vikings and possibly the Bears when it comes to QB talent. Maybe we can sign Vick when he gets out of the slammer. I think all we need for our defense to go to a dominant level is a Middle Linebacker. But, I think we are going to improve and that we will be somewhat competitive this year. Prediction: 7-9.
by chiefsfan1384 on Sep 8, 2008 4:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All in all
I will take that performance against the Pats. I think we need to use Charles a bit more in the first half, and get teams tired with his speed. Then in the second half we can give more of LJ with his tough running. LJ just seems to want to run into people and bowl them over. The whole game I was pissed about Darling, thinking that guy has not caught anything in a game!! Then he goes and makes me jump out of my chair!! One less twinkie this past week and he could have been in there!! As for the last four plays, we should have run on first down for sure. If we made any yards, and got out of bounds, run again. If we had to use the time out, then finish up with some passes. Or, if they want to pass every down, then on second down when they clearly came out in a run formation, they should have play actioned and rolled out.
by dragon6172 on Sep 8, 2008 5:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
O yeah...
Whats up with running it up the gut time after time. Didn’t someone tell chan gailey about a guy by the name of Vince Wilfork. I want to see more off tackle runs with double TE sets and a lead blocker. We could trick people in that formation too by sending Cottam out on a deep route. I know their all about smash mouth football, but our interior line isn’t exactly made for that. I wish we had Chris Snee from the Giants. He is going to be a free agent, but he is Coughlin’s son in law so I suppose he will be loyal to him. Somebody call Will Shields and get his ass out of retirement.
by chiefsfan1384 on Sep 8, 2008 5:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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