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Martin Mayhew: A Potential GM Candidate For The Chiefs?

[Bumped.  Not to give you UCrawford overload but I think he hits on a few relevant points and offers an interesting solution to what many view as a problem in our front office.  -Primetime]

From his perch at Fox Sports, Kansas City (and Arrowhead Pride) favorite Jason Whitlock tossed out a few of his observations about the 2008 NFL season.  Most of it was standard Whitlock...some politics, lots of sarcasm, and one very interesting and clever observation about what being the head coach of the Oakland Raiders actually means for your career.

But here's the bit that caught my attention:

9. Lions fans won't like this suggestion, but Martin Mayhew should be given a chance to lead the long-suffering franchise.

Last week I was at the same college football game as the best general manager in professional football, Indy's Bill Polian. At halftime of the Kansas State-Louisville game, I picked Polian's brain about young GM prospects. To my great surprise he was extremely high on Mayhew, who was just promoted to assistant GM in Detroit.

Polian is convinced that Mayhew has a deep understanding of personnel and a tremendous work ethic. Mayhew was one of only four guys Polian identified as a future GM.

If you don't know, Polian built the Buffalo Bills Super Bowl teams, the Carolina Panthers team that advanced to the Super Bowl and, of course, the Indianapolis Colts squad that won it all. He knows what it takes to build a winner.

Here's an article with Mayhew's bio as of 2004.

Normally, anything coming out of the Detroit front office should be given a HUGE red flag, as should anything affiliated with the decision-making prowess of Matt Millen...and of course Jason Whitlock offers more than his share of half-baked opinions with any nuggets of good insight he provides (e.g. Ty Law will take us to a Super Bowl).  But when it comes to football, you simply don't get a smarter general manager or football mind than Bill Polian.  The guy built a Buffalo Bills team that went to four consecutive Super Bowls.  He turned the Indianapolis Colts from the laughingstock of the NFL into a playoff mainstay and Super Bowl champions.  So when Bill Polian makes an observation about a smart hire for a team, it's usually a good idea to take notice.  And Mayhew's history demonstrates a knowledge and experience base that extends well beyond his years in Detroit (background in scouting with the Redskins, contract and salary cap work with the league office, law degree from a prestigious law school, and a lengthy career as a player), and unlike many of the big names that have been getting floated around by unhappy Chiefs fans (Marty Schottenheimer, Bill Cowher, Charlie Casserly...all of whom are attractive primarily because we happen to know their names), Mayhew's a young man (unlike Casserly, Marty and Cowher), who isn't going to try to juggle two full-time jobs at once (unlike Cowher), and who's done a lot of work that focused on preparing him for being a general manager (unlike Cowher and Marty).

Currently Mayhew's got to be considered a top candidate for the recently departed Millen in Detroit, so of course there's every likelihood that the Chiefs never get a shot at him (especially since we still have the issue of our current general manager to resolve).  But considering the dysfunction that has surrounded the Detroit Lions' front office for the last 40 years (largely due to the inept management of long-time team owner William Clay Ford) there's also a good chance that Detroit blows the hire and Mayhew gets passed over for the promotion.  And at that point, the Chiefs should be very interested in giving this guy a hell of a look.

[Author's note:  Whitlock's article erroneously claimed that Mayhew was just promoted to assistant GM, which is inaccurate.  He was promoted to assistant GM back in 2004.  He was just promoted to acting GM for the duration of the 2008 season, but the Lions owner is saying that he'll be doing a complete review and overhaul of the front office after the season's over so Mayhew is not assured of a job with the Lions organization once the season ends...thus he is an attractive option for us for the 2008 offseason if the Lions decline to retain him, which is very possible.  Just wanted to clarify.]

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Well,

it’s nice to finally at least have a prospect for GM that doesn’t involve former coaches here…

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Sep 25, 2008 6:07 PM CDT   0 recs

Yeah

I never understood the former coach thing too much. I’m a little uneducated on the topic but how much influence did Cowher or Marty have on personnel at their respective positions?

by primetime 07 on Sep 25, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

From What I Understood

Marty had quite a bit in KC as time went on, but who really knows? Cowher didn’t appear to have all that much…seems like he was just a coach, no real background in scouting or front office work. Kevin Colbert’s been the GM of the Steelers since 2000 and he’s the one who assembled the Super Bowl team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 6:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So

Will this piece get a bump to the front page? Not trying to plug my own stuff too much but I thought it was a pretty good bit of work and would generate some conversation and traffic.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like traffic

Hopefully we’ll get some more with a little mention in a little local paper on Sunday. More to come…

by primetime 07 on Sep 25, 2008 7:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really

A mention in the paper, eh? Intriguing.

Oh, and thanks for the clever intro…jackass :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 7:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha

Two in one day doesn’t happen very often but you are beating me to the punch. Had to get you back somehow :)

Funny…from Carl Peterson’s Wiki: During a broadcast of a Chiefs game, ESPN personality Tony Kornheiser questioned if Carl Peterson was similar to a Supreme Court Justice in the fact that he still maintains his job despite the Chiefs not winning a playoff game since 1993 and repeatedly failing in the NFL Draft.

by primetime 07 on Sep 25, 2008 7:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Although I must say

Kornheiser probably tried about 150 jokes before he nailed that one.

by primetime 07 on Sep 25, 2008 7:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Undoubtedly

He can make a really clever comment every once in awhile but you have to sit through two hours of crap to get to it. I just can’t do it, which is why I don’t watch MNF much.

Funniest moment ever on that show was when Jimmy Kimmel came in and immediately started in on Kornheiser about how he got Joe Theismann fired.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 7:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And how

Hush Hush ESPN was making the Theismann incident. Hahha

by primetime 07 on Sep 25, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For Which

He got banned from ever appearing in the MNF booth again.

Kornheiser sucks.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He Should Go Back To Doing That Then

And get off of Monday Night Football, which he (all by himself) has completely ruined for me.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kornheiser + Madden

Would make my head explode. I’m happy that they aren’t on the same night? Or if they were at least I could watch the other night without a noose around my neck. At least Al Michaels is the man and rocks everybody’s world to offset Madden.

by Shawn on Sep 25, 2008 11:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just wait until Thanksgiving

I remember a few years ago Madden tore a [cooked] turkey apart with his bare hands on TV. It was probably the grossest thing I’ve ever seen.

by primetime 07 on Sep 26, 2008 6:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As For Why People Like Former Coaches As GM Candidates

It’s name recognition more than anything else, which is exacerbated by the fact that pro football’s front offices are such a closed off world in many ways. Seriously…can anyone name four up and coming GM candidates who aren’t former coaches or middle-aged former GMs? Can anyone here list the directors of player personnel or scouting directors (positions that are training grounds for many GMs) for half of the 32 teams off the top of their heads? Can they name four guys with Mayhew’s level of experience who are working in the NFL right now? I certainly can’t and I actually try to pay attention to this stuff.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

GM candidates

Don’t know much about the GM positions without doing a lot of internet research but you would think you would want someone who is being mentored by a successful GM. They don’t really get the clout that the coaches do, but the coach’s are on TV every Sunday. I don’t think Marty would be a good GM, nor do I think Cowher would be. I believe Marty had his shot (albeit very very short) in Washington. Then he had to deal with that jerk – AJ Smith – in San Diego. And the jury is still out on Parcells GM/El Presidente abilities. Although I think Bill was the primary decision maker in Dallas and we all see how that team is performing. As much as I dislike the idea of teh Dolphins doing well, it would be fun if BP would stick around there long enough to give us a good measuring stick on his abilities.
Belicheck calls his own shots in NE and seems to do pretty well.
Sundquist out of Denver is available. His departure was mostly orchestrated by Shanahan. I think Shanahan running that whole show out there is great if you are a Chiefs fan. His arrogance should implode that franchise….. I hope. : )
Kevin Abrams is the Assistant GM in New York and may be a good hire. And of course there is Chris Polian (Bills son) who is the assistant GM in Indy… My suspicions are that he will be groomed for the Indy job although I did see an article where Blank interviewed him for that job in Atlanta.
McKay wasn’t horrible in Atlanta and I believe he was in Tampa before that. He just was handed a team that was dealing with the over-rated Vick and then the criminal Vick and never really got a chance… Not sure if he landed any where. I do know they weren’t fond of him in Atlanta.
The only thing that would be attractive to Cowher was this is really where he got his start, but he didn’t get along very well with upper management in Pittsburgh and had to give on some forced coaching changes. Of course we all know the end result there…

by KCAl on Sep 25, 2008 8:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Atlanta

Hired a guy last year who I think will be a good GM in Thomas Dimitroff. He came out of the Patriots’ scouting department…he was their director of college scouting since 2003. It would probably be an interesting exercise to go through all the teams and rate their scouting departments, since that appears to be where a lot of GM candidates come from.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed...

There are a lot of scouting directors out there who would probably be good GMs depending on how many years have been doing it. That is essentially what you are looking for in a GM. And vetting coaches I assume. I don’t think Carl is the worst personnel guy, but all of his coaches since Marty have been weak. I liken it to a manager not willing to hire someone strong enough to take their job out of fear of the challenge. Peterson’s hiring of Gunther, then Vermeil (who was good, but posed no threat due to his age and friendship with Carl), and now Herman who I think would be a great defensive coordinator if that is all he concentrated on but is clearly NOT a good head coach. I doubt he gets another shot after this, but I always thought that about Wade Phillips and Norv Turner who IMO are both in over their heads.

by KCAl on Sep 25, 2008 9:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Turner Maybe

But Phillips has been a productive coach elsewhere.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 9:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Phillips

Plays with the talent he inherits and does well, but doesn’t do well at maintaining a team… Denver he had success early, but faltered late, Buffalo, he had success early and faltered late, Dallas….TBD, but you can already see this. It has as much to do with his coaching style as anything. He is very laid back and buddy buddy with his teams which lends its way in for lack of discipline and lackadaisical work habits. And as a result, a lot of finger pointing and implosion (seems to be my word of the day) begins. Good guy, understands the game, but loses his teams. Perfect for a guy like TO, but not good for a team (and there is no TO in team) that wants back to back winning campaigns…

by KCAl on Sep 25, 2008 9:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He'll Be Gone After This Season Or Next

He’s a caretaker until the Cowboys are comfortable with Jason Garrett stepping in. Garrett seems to be a more high-strung, Parcells type of coach so it’ll be interesting to see how he co-exists with T.O.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And for that reason

I think he was a perfect hire for the Cowboys. The team is a symphony of talent and just needed the right guy to guide them along.

I respect Wade Phillips because he understands his role.

Interestingly enough, (and I’m not totally sure if this is normal or not) but the ‘Boys job was his first HC job where he wasn’t the DC of the same team in the prior year.

by primetime 07 on Sep 27, 2008 2:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

I didn’t think it was a great hire at first, but Jones made a good choice for a short-term guy while he developed a new head coach.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 27, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He know Garrett was the future

And needed someone who wouldn’t feel threatened by that fact.

Wade’s a good guy (or thats the perception, at least) and after watching Hard Knocks I can totally see why Jones made the hire.

by primetime 07 on Sep 27, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's Been A Decent Head Coach

His dad was too. The Cowboys made a very solid hire. Maybe Jerry Jones has finally gotten his A game back as GM. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 27, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn't it be a steal if we were to get Mayhew and

team with Director of Scouting, Mike Mayock? We would have our own M&M’s! (I’ll blame Kornheiser for that joke)

by Lanier63 on Sep 25, 2008 8:08 PM CDT   0 recs

Definitely a Kornheiser Joke :)

Never been a big Mayock guy.

But Mayhew sounds intriguing. Anyone endorsed by Bill Polian is going in the right direction IMO.

by primetime 07 on Sep 25, 2008 8:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just read Mayhews Bio

What a great read. He has earned a shot at GM in my opinion. I think Clark could possibly earn his own credibility as an owner with a hire like this.

by Lanier63 on Sep 25, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He Wouldn't Be A Retread, Either

Nothing against guys like Casserly or Kuharich or Floyd Reese but you tend to see a lot of the GMs get recycled and hang around forever because owners are afraid to go out on a limb with an unknown. So they go for a big name (like Detroit did with Millen) because they want the hiring to resound with fans even though the big name guy may not be qualified or competent to do the job. It’s tough to get fans to buy into something like this because 99% of football fans have no idea who the promising young candidates for these GM jobs are and owners are concerned about keeping the fan base satisfied.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 8:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well if Clark got anything from his dad

it would be that Lamar was willing to try new unique things. After all, Carl I believe, came not from the NFL as much as he did from the USFL.

by Lanier63 on Sep 25, 2008 8:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mayhew

Came out of the XFL. Dimitroff in Atlanta worked for the WLAF. Plenty of those guys seem to have done time in the non-NFL leagues.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you have an eye for football talent

You don’t have to be born in the NFL… I think you could even look at college recruiting programs for good recruitment directors. As much as I can’t stand Barry Switzer, I think he would be a great NFL GM. Pete Carrol would be tops. Although another coaching job in the NFL for Carrol would not be good for his legacy as I think he has the same style as Wade Phillips I mention in an earlier post on this page…

by KCAl on Sep 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

He definitely loses those teams the longer he’s in charge. Good at first, then the teams just start playing really undisciplined football.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, this isn’t the 1950s where you can get away with treating players like dogs, but there’s got to be some level of discipline and accountability for their performance.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we will all very easily figure out in a year or two

if it was indeed Millen as the bad apple or the owners of the Lions who wouldn’t support him with the cash.

by Lanier63 on Sep 25, 2008 8:24 PM CDT   0 recs

It Was Millen

Just check the draft record. And the history of trades. And the rumor mill has it that most of the other GMs thought the guy was an idiot too…apparently there was some discussion that he might actually be the worst GM in the last 100 years.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's definitely up there

He consistently picked WRs in the 1st round which are about as low impact as you can get in the draft. I thought I read something where he went offense in 8 of his 9 1st round picks.

I don’t necessarily think he’s an idiot. His biggest problem was having 0 background in management. I mean, that’s unbelievable considering the owner is handing the reins of an asset worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

by primetime 07 on Sep 25, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There Are A Lot Of Problems With Detroit

Their first round picks weren’t good, but if you dig into the later picks their drafts were absolutely horrible.

http://www.databasefootball.com/draft/draftteam.htm?tm=DET&lg=NFL

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 8:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As For The Idiot Crack

I’m not calling him of below-average mental capacity. He might be able to flawlessly recite Shakespeare for all I know…it’s meant in the context of how he functioned as general manager. And as GM, if you look at his drafts and his trade history, the guy was an idiot.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Word

And I know it’s Millen’s fault that they were and are terrible but ownership deserves a big finger point as well for hiring a guy whose only managerial experience was over the PAs in the broadcast booth.

by primetime 07 on Sep 25, 2008 9:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yup

Which is why I hope they whiff on Mayhew so we can get him. Unless, of course, we decide to stick with Peterson’s sinking ship, in which case I hope Mayhew gets a nice job somewhere.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 25, 2008 9:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I woke up with the thought this am

that Clark is going to make a move by seasons end to turn over the GM part of the organization to a new individual. Its very possible Carl remains the President/CEO but gives up the day to day football operations. I think its going to be a move similar to what Lamar did with Jack Steadman and let Carl remain with the Chiefs for a few more years, with hands off the football side. This would ensure that the stadium renovations would stay on course, the organization continue to run smoothly and the new GM could concentrate on just football.

by Lanier63 on Sep 26, 2008 8:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Don't Know

If Carl Peterson’s got the kind of personality that will let him step aside. Of course, I don’t know the guy personally so I could be completely wrong, but all I know is that the guy is someone who doesn’t like admitting mistakes and who doesn’t seem to like giving up that GM job. And, from what Bob Gretz wrote awhile ago, if the Chiefs get rid of Peterson as a GM he’ll likely try to go somewhere else (which we should let him do).

Plus, I don’t know how that would affect the hiring of a new guy when he may be worrying about having his predecessor there in a higher capacity…particularly since that predecessor would have been basically fired and reassigned. That just smacks of impending trouble if that were to happen.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 8:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess the upside

is he’s done a lot outside the realm of players.

The stadium, sellouts, player development, community outreach. You guys would know better about that than I, but that’s my impression.

Keeping him around for those things might not be bad.

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 26, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Downside Is Greater

Stadium sellouts end when the team’s in the toilet. I don’t think he’s done a very good job of player development either…outside of the defensive backs most of our draft picks have either stagnated or regressed. Community outreach is nice, but there’s nothing preventing the new guy from doing that stuff either.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me try to clarify

Keeping Peterson in the organization but not as GM. Keep his hand in non-football operations.

He did get the stadium deal, and I meant the “player development program” that helps young players in their new life.

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 26, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Only If He's Willing To Take His Hand Out Of Football Operations

But he’s never really struck me as the kind of person who could go hands off like that.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Peterson

Would fit well in Detroit IMO. He was able to get us jazzed about the Chiefs so many years ago.

by primetime 07 on Sep 26, 2008 9:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If you mean that sincerely

in borrowing from a quote that was used in another post, I wonder if the game talent has bypassed Peterson? In 1989 he helped re-establish an organizations winning ways. But that type of player has changed since then and so goes to talent comparisons and evaluations. Eventually all GM’s and personnel people get past their prime.

“You gotta know when to fold em…”

by Lanier63 on Sep 26, 2008 9:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Think The Game's Passed Him By

Like Matt wrote awhile ago…the league’s not smashmouth football anymore. Carl’s going down the same unproductive path Al Davis did when he brought back Art Shell to install the vertical passing game and the 7 step drop. It’s just not that kind of a league anymore.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey UC

Not to make that “V” hat of yours too small from an expanding head, but nice work on the posts with ideas and facts lately! I’m a little busier recently, so I’m not feeling armed to jump into a back and forth discussion, but am enjoying the info!

by sunny D on Sep 26, 2008 12:13 AM CDT   0 recs

Ditto

It’s been a big help and a great resource. A few of the commenters have had some solid ideas for posts including how spread quarterbacks translate to the NFL. Definitely taking a look at that one to see what we can find out.

by primetime 07 on Sep 26, 2008 6:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That Would Be An Interesting Article

Honestly, I think the idea that spread offenses will destroy QBs is overstated. QBs are always going to be in demand, thus QBs will always be available for the league, at worst it’s just going to be a little more difficult to evaluate them and might take a little longer to play them (which really isn’t a bad thing). Plus, if the spread offense really is wrecking QBs for NFL play then eventually either the spread offense is going to change or the NFL is going to change because schools that wreck QBs’ chances to play in the NFL are eventually going to have a difficult time recruiting the top QB talent…since a lot of those guys will want to go to a school that maximizes their ability to play in the pros.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 7:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Work...

It is a good prospect…

by woodman212 on Sep 26, 2008 2:43 AM CDT   0 recs

Here's to hoping

That the ineptitude within the Lions higher-ups spanned further than Millen and they don’t bring him back as GM.

by primetime 07 on Sep 26, 2008 6:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe we should come up with an "aka" name for Mayhew

so that the Lions do not get wind AP is pushing for him. I still think someone in Carl’s office saw on here the demand to try and get Brady and they actually acted upon it. This site is no doubt a very good source for new information and ideas!

by Lanier63 on Sep 26, 2008 8:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whitlock Already Spilled The Beans

So I think it’s safe to say that people know now who Mayhew is :)

It’s not a big deal anyway…right now Mayhew’s the acting GM for the Detroit Lions until the 2008 season is over, so he’s not going anywhere. We’ve just got to hope that the Lions decide to go in a different direction (assuming Clark is wise enough to dump Carl this offseason).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well good for Mayhew

if there seems to be a demand for his services, he may get paid better!

by Lanier63 on Sep 26, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whitlock Actually Made An Error

Mayhew had been recently promoted to acting GM, not assistant GM. He was made assistant GM back in 2004. I probably should have clarified that in the original article…he’s unlikely to be an option to hire in-season, I’m just hoping that the Lions decide to go with another Millen-like option instead of retaining him after the season’s over.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't have a shrine to Marty believe it or not...

But – Carl needs to count each year after he let Marty go as a bonus year as he has been riding Marty’s success ever since. It was Marty’s teams that filled the stadium and brought the huge fan base back into Arrowhead, as well as brought some pride to the team. Carl has gotten a lot of credit for filling the seats and has taken every bit of it as his own. Without Marty, he doesn’t make it out of the 90’s. To Carl’s credit, and it pains me to say that, he did hire Marty. But when Carl’s ego took the Assistant GM position there wasn’t enough room for Marty. Bring Marty back and we are winning again in two years. It is as simple as that period.

As far as Carls future. He will definitely leave the Chiefs organization on his terms. I have no doubt about that. His last name may as well be Hunt as Lamar loved him. I bet he is pretty tight with Clark as well. I do think he will be moved to another position like Executive Director of Popcorn Sales or something (likely something more prestigious), but even someone like that can’t be beat on forever without it taking some toll.

The absolute best thing for his legacy would be to step aside after this season, bring someone like a Mayhew or a young Polian in to take over his current duties, and it will soon be forgotten that towards the end he was actually burying the Chiefs. KC is starting to turn on the guy and most people there would just assume spit on him than say hi. I can’t imagine that would be a very fun way to live…

by KCAl on Sep 26, 2008 11:00 AM CDT   0 recs

Only Problem With Marty Is

He’s made comments this year about how he’s not really interested in coaching again because he likes doing TV work and doesn’t miss the grind. Like with any coach making those comments, it should probably be taken with a grain of salt, but Marty’s not a young guy anymore and it really wouldn’t surprise me if he was burned out on the game and found the firing by San Diego to be a blessing in disguise. From the clips I saw of him last year on the sidelines in SD, he was really starting to look old and tired.

I don’t say this to run the guy down, because if he came back I’d be happy and I’d support him and I’d think he’d be fine…but I also don’t think he’s a long-term solution, nor do I think he’d be as good here as he was the first time. Coaches who come back to a team for a second go-around rarely are.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

aka Joe Gibbs

I wouldn’t blame Marty for not coming back. He knows and most of us know he was a great coach, regardless of the playoffs. But it has to eventually wear on you when you build a good team and then have to take the criticism for not having good success in the post season.

by Lanier63 on Sep 26, 2008 12:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Marty

Part of that was bad luck, part of that was that Marty just made some really awful decisions in the postseason. But I agree that he was a great coach. He had success everywhere he went.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am not suggesting we bring Marty back...

Although, like you I would support it. I am merely trying to point out the main reason CP has a job and a long career. He gets credit for a lot of things that he doesn’t deserve “direct” credit for. At the most he should get only part of the credit for the Chiefs of the 90’s. He did, afterall, hire Marty. But he gets a larger credit for their recent demise as his horrible coaching decisions and his inability to work with Marty are the biggest reason our seasons are over in 17-18 weeks.

by KCAl on Sep 26, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 26, 2008 2:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So then, is it also fair to say

that he should only get “part of the credit” for this season and the last two years?

by Lanier63 on Sep 26, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs