The QB Who Should Be On Our Wish List: Brian Brohm
From the FanPosts. -Primetime
There's been a lot of buzz around Arrowhead Pride and other Chiefs fan sites the last couple of weeks about how the Chiefs should acquire a young quarterback. Last week it was Brady Quinn...the backup for the Cleveland Browns that many Kansas City fans grit their teeth that we missed in the 2007 draft (although Dwayne Bowe is not a bad consolation prize). Personally I was never behind that since a) I'm not all that convinced that Brady Quinn is going to be a good pro quarterback, because b) he's looked utterly underwhelming in the playing time he has gotten, and c) as Derek Anderson is not looking like he's going to be replicating his 2007 season we would have had to pay through the nose for Quinn even if he was available (which he apparently never was).
But there is a young QB out there that I think we should be seriously considering acquiring...Brian Brohm.
Going into the 2007 season, Brian Brohm was being touted as the "can't miss" prospect for the 2008 draft. He was the son of a former Louisville quarterback (Oscar Brohm) and the brother of another (Jeff, who'd also played in the NFL). He'd averaged 3,000 yards, 17 TDs (and only 5 INTs) per year, with a 66% completion percentage. Under the tutelage of Bobby Petrino, Brohm had turned Louisville into a football powerhouse, with Brohm and Michael Bush leading a potent attack. Basically, Brohm was Peyton Manning with a solid but unspectacular arm and was projected to go in the top 10 of the draft (possibly ending up with his old mentor, Bobby Petrino, in Atlanta). A year later, he was a second round pick, after which he got buried as the 3rd stringer on a depth chart behind a far less touted rookie. So what happened during that time?
The answer appears to be...nothing. Brohm's season in 2007 was almost identical to the two previous seasons, except that in 2007 he was Louisville's primary offensive threat. He passed for over 4,000 yards. He completed 65% of his passes. He threw for a career high 30 TDs (with only 12 interceptions). He played in a solid conference. He stayed healthy. But his team, under new coach Steve Kragthorpe, went 6-6 and the rest of the squad fell apart. His team's leading rusher ran for less than 700 yards. His team's defense wasn't able to hold any opponent to single digits in points (and gave up 20 or more points seven times in 12 games). Basically, he became a great quarterback on a bad team...and even though his performance didn't drop off at all, it appears that scouts and teams started to wonder if maybe he wasn't part of the problem. All of his flaws (non-cannon arm, knee injury his sophomore year, thumb injury that caused him to miss a month his junior year) became magnified. Then he had an underwhelming preseason draft camp. Teams apparently talked their way out of drafting the can't miss prospect...so he ended up falling to the middle of the second round, and now he's currently the 3rd string QB for the Green Bay Packers, largely because he played like a rookie in training camp (which shouldn't have been unexpected, although the Packers coaching staff raved about his ability to absorb the playbook) and because Mike McCarthy took a liking to Matt Flynn.
So the question is, why is this kid worth the risk? Why should he be on our wish list when everybody else soured on him? And the answer is, because he didn't really do anything to hurt his own draft stock. Brohm's performance in college was nothing short of spectacular. Brohm's numbers at Louisville measure up well to Peyton Manning's numbers at Tennessee, and Tom Brady's numbers at Michigan. They were better than Carson Palmer's numbers at USC, and Jay Cutler's numbers at Vanderbilt. And because when it comes down to it preseason draft camps can't be trusted to judge a prospect's potential. Every year some so-so college player rockets up the charts because he's able to jump really high, or bench press a lot of weight, or run a fast sprint (Mike Mamula being the most prominent example of this)...and then when that player gets to the NFL he goes back to being a so-so player because having physical tools is not the same as having football skills. And the reverse is also true, every year some prospect drops down the draft list because they didn't wow anyone in camp, because they were good players on bad teams, or great players in schools that no one pays attention to, or great players who just happened to make the wrong comment or to pick up an injury at an inopportune time, or who just happened to have a bad day when the scouts just happened to be watching. And Brian Brohm was one of the unlucky ones.
And none of this changes the fact that Brian Brohm is one hell of a quarterback prospect, who's demonstrated both the tools and the skills to be able to make it in the NFL. He's quite possibly a better quarterback prospect than anyone who'll be available in the 2009 NFL draft. And there's a chance he could be available right now at a reasonable price. Green Bay right now is a team competing to win the Super Bowl, and they've got two weaknesses...cornerback (now that Al Harris' agent has apparently announced that his client just tore his spleen and is out for the year) and backup quarterback (where the only QBs sitting behind a somewhat injury-prone Aaron Rodgers are two rookies). And we just so happen to have a solid veteran cornerback and a decent backup quarterback available to trade, as well as a very high draft pick in the first round in 2009 (which would actually be a bargain for us because we would be getting a QB who's still a first-round caliber prospect at a second-round player's salary, which means our risk is greatly minimized...and quite possibly we could snag their first rounder out of the deal in return). There's very little not to like about a trade like this...for either the Packers or us.
Now, if we trade for Brohm, will he be able to come in and turn the offense around this year? Realistically, no. He's given no indication he's ready to play this year and there are so many problems with the offense that Peyton Manning could come in and we'd probably still be horrible (mainly because we have a terrible line and a terrible head coach who calls terrible plays). In fact, it's probably not advisable to even make Brohm the starter this season. He's a rookie, rookie QBs usually need time to develop, and we don't want him learning on the job behind this offensive line. He'd get killed (his injury history is nowhere near Croyle's but he's also not Brett Favre) and we'd be out a top five draft pick and a backup QB and cornerback. But he'd possibly be able to start next year and there's a great chance that (if he follows a standard QB progression) he'll be the Chiefs starter in 2009 and hopefully far beyond. And right now, he's about as "buy low" as you're ever going to see in a top QB prospect.
This is a deal worth making. And even if Brohm's not ready to start next season, if the Chiefs grab a stop-gap QB in J.P. Losman and re-sign Croyle to a reasonable deal to be the second or third-stringer, I don't think it's much of a leap to say that the quarterback position will go from our team's biggest weakness to our team's biggest strength in the course of just one year. And that is the way that smart football teams address their problems...looking for creative ways to improve your club in the short-term that build the club for the future based on managed risks that won't cripple your club for years.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Workout Warriors
Mamula really skyrocketed, I remember that. I’ve heard (and haven’t tested it so don’t blame me if it’s wrong), that most of the “combine guys”, or those who shoot up after a great workout, are usually guys of which there isn’t much tape. Like they had to justify the draft pick by touting these numbers instead of pointing to the tape.
I’m still in the belief that the Packers won’t move him just because Rodgers has been impressive so far. It’s true that they’re built to win now, but they’re also one of the youngest teams so they’re going to built to win now for some time.
by primetime 07 on Sep 23, 2008 11:09 AM CDT 0 recs
I Watched Some Boston College Games When Mamula Was There
I remember thinking during the draft “But that guy didn’t look like a star at B.C….why is he going so high based on a workout?”
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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Yup
I did a little post about him and workout warriors way back when I started my own blog. Here.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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I Actually Read That Piece Back When You Wrote It :)
Before I found AP. Didn’t even realize it was yours. Good article.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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Ha!
I still do all the work there myself. Call it an offspring of AP’s inspiration :) Glad you liked it.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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A Top Five Draft Pick
Should make anyone seriously consider a trade offer for any third-string QB, even if that QB has potential. And keep in mind that they’ll probably be in the market for a shutdown corner in the draft next year if Harris’ torn spleen is anything like Simms’.
Ted Thompson’s no fool, but adding a veteran backup, a cornerback who can step in and start (assuming Surtain’s healed up by trade time) and a top five pick in exchange for a backup rookie QB that your coach likes less than another rookie QB and your first round pick is a deal any GM should consider. Green Bay would be moving up 20 spots in the NFL draft…a GM like Thompson should be drooling at that idea.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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On the flip side
I would love to get out of the top 5 and get a QB, as you pointed out, with minimum risk. Solid argument.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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Flipping The First Rounders
That would be key. Normally you won’t see teams do it because trading up into the top five (which we’re going to be, whether we get Brohm or not) costs you other draft picks as well. But this is a bargain by that standard. They trade away a low first-rounder to move up what will likely be 20 spots and get a QB who could probably do a better job for them this year than Flynn or Brohm could if Rodgers goes down and a cornerback who’s not as good as Al Harris, but who could probably fill in capably as a starter or at least add some depth if they decide to start one of their youngsters.
Biggest downside to us is that we’d be picking later and we’d be taking a fairly large cap hit on Surtain’s contract, but it would be worth it to snag Brohm when you consider what we’d be paying a top 5 draft choice (the cost would essentially be a wash) and we’d still have a shot at getting a very good offensive line prospect (who could probably start) in the late first round to protect our investment in Brohm (or Losman, or whoever).
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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Works out very well, actually
We get a QB for a smaller risk AND can address the right side of our line at the appropriate position (late 1st instead of early 1st).
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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Are you kidding?
We have our LT and that is the only line position you address in the first round. RT is second round at the absolute highest, and I’m pretty sure we’re set at RT if we let Herb Taylor start there. Interior lineman are third rounders at best.
There is no way I wanna trade out of the top five for a Brohm. Sorry, not gonna happen. I don’t mind giving up our second rounder, which has at least a 100 points on where the Pack drafted Brohm and send them a Surtain and Huard if they even want those guys. But flipping first rounders for Brohm is not worth it.
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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Draft Pick Point Differential Doesn't Matter On Brohm's Pick
It only matters if you’re swapping those draft picks in a trade. It might have some relevance if you’re operating on the premise that Brohm was only worth the pick at which he was chosen, but my point is that Brohm was highly undervalued and that he deserved to be picked much higher. He was a top five talent going into 2007, who performed like a top five talent in 2007 and the only reason he dropped appears be because his combine workout was underwhelming and because his team in college sucked for reasons that didn’t have anything to do with him. He represents value for the trade, largely because he’s already got a multiyear deal at a bargain price. Of course his agent would probably try to renegotiate that if he were traded, but we’d still have the leverage on him there so we’d still get him cheaper than we would a top five draft pick. And there are plenty of guards (and probably a few tackles) available where the Packers will likely pick in the first round and that’s going to be the area of prime need for us anyway.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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And he's also buried at #3 on their roster for a REASON
So why would we even offer anything NEAR a top five pick for a guy that they have behind the SEVENTH round pick from the same draft on their depth chart? There might be a reason that they have dropped his value in GB even further down from where they acquired him. I never bought into the Brohm talk, but his value didn’t just fall in the draft, it has fallen even since he got into GB. Even if he is QBOTF potential (and I’m not sold on that), what you are proposing we offer for a THIRD STRING QB is ridiculous. He can be had cheap. Let’s not overpay for him. Uggh. I gotta say its times like this that I actually appreciate CP. We know he won’t overpay in a trade like this.
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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Because He's A Rookie
Rookie QBs’ development patterns are unpredictable. Some can step in and play right away, some can’t. And right now Matt Flynn appears to be more ready to play than Brohm. But past performance indicates that Brohm has a much higher ceiling than Flynn as a passer.
Your point about his value dropping with Green Bay is a valid concern, but also let’s consider that the trade I’m discussing isn’t really hurting us for the future. We’d still have a first round pick. We wouldn’t be trading away players who are part of our team’s long-term plans. We’d just be trading down in the draft to get a guy who’s got as good a chance as any prospect ever has of being a franchise QB. And that’s a managed, well-considered risk that I think is worth taking.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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The point isn't that we shouldn't make an offer for him
All I’m saying is that he has done nothing to warrant sacrificing a top five pick and he wasn’t drafted anywhere near high enough where we would need to offer that in value. We can get him for MUCH CHEAPER. There is nothing that would convince me to move out of our high first round pick other than someone wanting to trade up into it and offering us more picks for it. And you said there is nothing in the the draft that we would want that high up. I gotta disagree. There is always someone worth it up there, but even still, we’ll be able to deal with someone when that time comes. Losing the position we have for BROHM (?!?!?!)… you gotta be joking or smoking.
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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JT O'Sullivan
is who I’m seeing might be coming. He’ll be a free agent, he is younger, and barring any injuries, better than anyone we have right now. The only downside is if he does really well, the 49ers might either keep him, or his price will be very high.
I like the Brohm idea, but who knows what will happen. Where’s the Green Bay bloggers when we need them?
have you seen my baseball?
by IISaiNtII on Sep 23, 2008 11:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Wary of Martz QBs
I think JT O’Sullivan is more of a product of Martz’s system than individual talent. I’m very wary of his QBs.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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O'Sullivan
He’s going nowhere, at least not before the trade deadline. Nolan’s got to win this year to keep his job and O’Sullivan’s the only QB there who offers a realistic probability of that.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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I just stirred the pot
at the Packers blog…
let’s see what happens :)
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by IISaiNtII on
Sep 23, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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Good call
Here is a link to the thread so we can follow to see what they have to say.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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Nice Move
The downside about most trades fans dream up is that the fans usually overrate their own players and assume that the other team’s GM is a complete idiot. This trade, though, seems like it would be very attractive to the Packers (or any GM) so I wonder what the Packers fans would think about it. It just felt like a trade that would help both teams.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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No I agree
Which is why I brought it up to them. While it may never happen, it’s an interesting prospect to see what they think about what could happen, or what they want to happen with it.
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by IISaiNtII on
Sep 23, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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I really want to know
Why Brohm is so low. I created a FanPost as well in case others don’t see you in the comments section. If we get some sort of response to our questions then we’ll move from there (this is why I love SBN’s streamlined network..).
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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Yeah,
I thought about creating one, but didn’t feel comfortable doing it :)
Probably the better bet. But I doubt any real talk comes for awhile. It’s lunchtime in the Midwest!
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by IISaiNtII on
Sep 23, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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Don't get in the way
Of a Midwesterner and his/her lunch.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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About to make mine now
SO WATCH THE EFF OUT!
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by IISaiNtII on
Sep 23, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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Shoulda kept Trent Green
He’s not done! He’s replacing Bulger in St. Louis.
It could be worse, folks. We could have signed a QB to a massive deal then benched him. It’s the equivalent of benching LJ right now.
by primetime 07 on Sep 23, 2008 11:41 AM CDT 0 recs
Wait...
Havent they essentially benched LJ for all the 2nd halves so far, lol.
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by IISaiNtII on
Sep 23, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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To negate the Brian Brohm "system QB" claim
He did play under two different coaches at Louisville so that might alleviate some of the concern. H/T UC a few days ago.
by primetime 07 on Sep 23, 2008 11:42 AM CDT 0 recs
Am I missing something here?
Good post, but I just can’t agree with it.
I understand some of your points (agree with getting out of the top 5 spot), but to give up everything you’re proposing for someone who went in the second round, just doesn’t sit well with me. I think we would be giving up way too much in return for an unproven talent and a slot 20 spots lower in the draft. I just think he’s #3 for a reason, and if we were to get him, we could probably do it without having to swap 1st rounders. He went late in the second round for a reason, every team passed on him at least once, most twice, meaning they all saw something that lead them to believe he wasn’t worth it, and now, after not taking a single snap during the regular season, his stock has climbed so much that he’s worth a 1st round pick? I just don’t buy it.
I also think there’s something to be said of veteran leadership, and when you have 2 rookie corners, you need someone like Surtain for his experience and insight, otherwise our corners won’t develop nearly as quick (or possibly as good) as we all are hoping for.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Sep 23, 2008 12:15 PM CDT 0 recs
Surtain And Development Of Corners
Right now Surtain’s actually out with an injury, so he isn’t helping anyone develop. And after this season’s up he’s a prime candidate for the chopping block because his salary will be larger than the cap hit from cutting him, so he’s unlikely to be here to help anyone develop in 2009. And besides, developing rookies what the secondary coach is supposed to be for.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 12:23 PM CDT
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Also
There’s not looking like too much in the first five picks that will help our area of prime need. Maybe a defensive end, but right now I’d say that the ability to make it through a season without losing the quarterback is more important. And the only offensive line position that really merits a top five pick, as Primetime pointed out, is left tackle, which we drafted this year. So trading back to draft other offensive linemen makes sense and there will be linemen available where the Packers are drafting.
As for Brohm, is he a risk? Of course, all young unproven QBs are a risk. But to my mind he represents a higher probability of being a good pro QB than anyone we’ll likely see in the 2009 draft, he’ll have a year under his belt in the NFL with a good coach (which can only help with our development of him) and we wouldn’t be mortgaging the future of the franchise to get him.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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Call me crazy
and this could be the dumbest idea anyone’s thrown out, but what about Michael Oher? I realize we have Albert, and we’d be asking him to move again, but hear me out. This offseason there were rumblings that we might move Waters to center. What if that actually happened, Albert takes over the position he played in college and then you have Oher at LT, wouldn’t that be upgrading all 3 positions?
This is so far-fetched it probably doesn’t warrant a response, but something I’ve been thinking about after realizing how bad we are this year.
by Chiefs n Chopper on
Sep 23, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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It's Not That Far-Fetche
But we’ve already got a lot of money tied up in Albert, he’s looking like the real deal at LT (he’s been surprisingly good considering how much time he’s missed) and our real areas of concern right now are QB and the right side of the offensive line. We can address one of them with the top five pick, but not both. With this trade we address the QBOTF situation (and the QB of the present situation if we sign Losman as a free agent) and there are almost always high quality tackles and guards available in the late first round where the Packers would be picking. Two birds with one stone with this trade.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 12:43 PM CDT
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The only OL position worth a first or even early second round pick
is LT.
C, G, RT are all late second early third rounders AT ABSOLUTE BEST?
Did you do an apprenticeship with Matt Millen?
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 12:52 PM CDT
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Steve Wisniewski
Guard, drafted in the first round…turned in a Hall of Fame caliber career with the Raiders. I wouldn’t argue that he was a bad draft pick. Same with Harris Barton (who played everywhere on the line). Jeff Otah, playing RT for the Panthers was an excellent pickup in the first this year.
Any offensive line position is worth considering in the first round so long as the talent level is high enough. Right tackle is a perfectly acceptable position to draft with a first round pick…in fact, it’s an excellent position to draft with a mid to late first round pick.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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Herb Taylor
We already got a capable RT on the roster. If only Herm would ride Sackintosh out of town.
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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I Wondered Why Sackintosh Was Still Playing
Then I realized that Carl Peterson signed him to a six year contract…not a 2 or 3 year deal like I’d originally thought.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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As For My Matt Millen Apprenticeship
I wouldn’t have even considered QB Mike McMahon with a fourth round choice. Nor would I have taken a USC receiver who’d been out of football for a year (Mike Williams) with the #10 overall. Nor would I have built my receiving corps before my lines and defense.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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Lol
the Matt Millen thing was unfair…. I owe you an apology on that. But it was less about drafting and more about trade value. CP absolutely screwed him on the trade to move up and select Albert IMO.
All I’m saying is we can get Brohm for much cheaper.
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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Apology Accepted :)
If we could get Brohm for our second round pick I’d be ecstatic. But I also recognize that a) Ted Thompson’s one of the savvier GMs out there, b) we’re operating from a position of desperate need at QB, and c) Brohm’s pedigree is better than anyone coming out of college next year and we do need a young QB to develop…no matter who’s in charge next year.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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And When I Say "We're Operating From A Position Of Desperate Need"
What I mean is that it’s blatantly obvious to everyone we desperately need a QB and no GM in the NFL cuts a break on a trade for a team in desperate need. I said I thought we should swap first rounders because I believe that’s actually the best deal we could possibly get out of Ted Thompson (and that Brohm is the best QB prospect we can get, either via trade or from this draft class).
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 1:09 PM CDT
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Maybe so
But Thompson and CP both know that Brohm isn’t ready to start this season. So what good does that do our “desperate need”? We can address a QB for next season with plenty of offseason options (Losman, Cassel, draft, etc.). Brohm will NOT play this season, and if he does, it’s maybe a last two games type. I’d personally rather start Thiggy for the foreseeable future than Brohm. (ok, that might be a stretch). Either way, our “desperate need” would only be addressed by someone NFL ready….
And Brohm simply is not ready.
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 1:17 PM CDT
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It Helps Us For Next Year
Even if we were to trade for Brohm I wouldn’t want him to start this year. Hell, let Croyle, Thigpen, Martin, Bartel, and Hagans get beat up behind the line this year…none of those guys is likely to be a starter for this team next year, it’s not like the offense is ever going to be decent with Herm in charge, and it would be irresponsible to put a rookie behind that line until it’s demonstrated that it can do at least a semi-decent job of pass protection. Let Brohm be the third-stringer this season unless he shows to the team that he’s ready to start (and has at least a minimal ability to avoid the rush). The key is to have a guy you can start playing minutes next year (when, hopefully, we have a real head coach and a real GM who doesn’t try to build an o-line off of waiver rejects) and who can start for years after that.
As for next season, I still think the Chiefs ought to try and sign Losman to come in and start for at least a season. He can be had for a reasonable price I’m sure and he is ready to play and can be the starter until either Brohm’s ready to take over or until we’ve decided that Brohm isn’t the answer.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 1:26 PM CDT
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Wait for it...
When Croyle comes back and plays well (and stays healthy), we’ll be able to keep our mid-round #1 pick.
Not that you could tell, but I kept a straight face as I typed this.
by NJChiefsFan on
Sep 23, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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Heh
Sorry, but even if Croyle stayed healthy for the rest of the year I wouldn’t trust him to stay healthy next year. That guy has made it through one season in the last five where he didn’t pick up a serious injury.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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brohm is 1 for 3
just saying.
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 23, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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and
croyle played through one
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 23, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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Huh?
I’m not sure I catch your meaning.
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by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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nevermind
i was thinking of sophomore year when he played through the shoulder.
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by troy145 on
Sep 23, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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If thats the case
We wouldn’t be so desperate to get him NOW that we’d have to negotiate from such a weak position and give up a top three draft pick for him.
I’m personally not sold on Brohm, but Al Davis could play QB better than our current roster, so he’s worth looking at. But he’s not even the most attractive option for us once the offseason rolls around so why pay through the teeth for a 3rd string QB. He can be had for much cheaper.
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 1:31 PM CDT
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Usually a GM would want a draft pick or multipule picks
for a player. Swapping selections hardly seems to be suitable enough to satisfy this savvy GM as you put it. Plus its so early into the season that nobody knows who will be worth that high a selection, or if it a player in a position of need for the Packers. Then may feel that the player they need might fall into their laps. A draft pick nothing less (probably with a player), I’m convinced of that…
by aPacificChief on
Sep 23, 2008 4:19 PM CDT
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Wasn't G Brian Waters an early round pick?
I don’t remember… maybe I’m wrong.
by Vince D on
Sep 23, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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Undrafted Free Agent
A real diamond in the rough. Don’t find too many of those.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 1:27 PM CDT
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But then
We would have essentially spent the 15th pick on a guard last year, which would be quite the blunder in the front office and you know how they feel about admitting their mistakes..
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 12:45 PM CDT
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Good point
But when it really comes down to it, if 2 years down the line we have an all-pro left side of the line, does it really still look like a blunder?
by Chiefs n Chopper on
Sep 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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If Brohm Turns Out To Be Good And We Still Don't Have A Good Quarterback
Then yes, it is a blunder.
But, that said, if we don’t trade out of the pick then I’d be fine with them picking Oher. Either he or Albert can move to right tackle then. I wouldn’t move Albert to guard though, mainly because guards are a hell of a lot easier to find than tackles.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 2:06 PM CDT
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Biggest Problem With The Oher Scenario, Though
Is that if he plays well enough this year to merit top five consideration, we may not get him because right now the St. Louis Rams are looking like they might be worse than we are. And they need offensive line more than anything else right now, so Oher will probably top their draft list.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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Is the Alex Barron experiment over?
I thought he was supposed to play on the left side after Pace.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 2:22 PM CDT
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He's Been An Above Average Right Tackle
But they weren’t thrilled with him on the left because he’s just too inconsistent. From what the reports said, they were seriously considering Jake Long with their top pick if he was available.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 2:28 PM CDT
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Plus
I don’t know if you’ve been following the Rams this year (I have mainly because I’ve got Steven Jackson on my non-AP fantasy team) but their line is the only one in football that’s possibly worse than ours. They’re beyond terrible. So even if Barron were able to replace Pace, I suspect they’d still be looking at Oher because they need people with talent there.
The state of Missouri’s going to have a historically bad year for pro football, looks like.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 23, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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I'm just thinking that Brohm doesn't merit a first round pick
We passed on him twice in the first round last year, and again in the second. I just have a hard time giving up our top pick to swap spots for him. I think had we thought him worthy, we would have gone after him like what we did with Albert and traded up. (From a personal stance, I think if I’m going to watch this team earn this top 5 pick the rest of the season, I’d rather see it go towards something with more potential, what that is yet, I don’t know cause it’s too early to tell, I just don’t think it’s Brohm IMO).
by Chiefs n Chopper on
Sep 23, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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Good points
I agree, to some point, about waiting it out. Maybe one of the current college QBs will be a legitimate top 5 pick but as of right now it doesn’t seem likely.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 23, 2008 12:38 PM CDT
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Brohm
Doesn’t even merit a third rounder IMO. I’d rather roll the dice on Thiggy developing than take Brohm. And I mean that. Seriously.
by Sudden on
Sep 23, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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