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"He’s an awful evaluator," said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. "First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system."

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Well that was depressing

Good to know that others in the pros feel as I do, that this team should be farther along than we are currently seeing on the field. I thought we were going to be a power running team, if that is the offense you are going to run then everyone knows what you are going to do and you go out there and do it anyway. With Thigpen as our QB we should only be passing about 15-20 times a game.

I don’t know if the above comment is just sour grapes, but I would say that the players drafted under Herm have been ok with one possible star so far (Bowe). Everyone else has been a little too inconsistent. But Herm does seem the type that he would make up his mind on things fairly fast and would be hard to convince to change his mind.

by tevans96 on Sep 22, 2008 10:10 AM CDT   0 recs

MAKE WAY

FOR DJ! INCOMING!

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 22, 2008 10:22 AM CDT   0 recs

Can't Say As That Comment Surprises Me

The Chiefs have gone into far too many games over the last couple of years looking completely unprepared for me to suspect that Herm wasn’t at least part of the problem. More and more he strikes me as the Wayne Fontes type of coach…a guy who half-asses the game prep than tries to talk his way out of it after the game is over (which is why you rarely hear him give a straight answer to a question when people try to pin him down). Just a bullshit artist, basically.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 10:30 AM CDT   0 recs

Bill Cowher 2009

Who’s comin with me?

Go to Wide World of Roto for all your fantasy news!

by JasonM on Sep 22, 2008 10:32 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd Be Happy With Him As A Coach

But not as coach/GM. Not because I think he’s horrible, but how many times has it ever worked out where one guy can do both jobs well? Not too often. I think the last one was Vince Lombardi (and good though Cowher is, he’s no Vince Lombardi).

Biggest problem with arguing about who the new GM should be, though, is that most of us have no clue who the promising new candidates would be.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Love Cowher

I could see him keeping Chan in place see that they worked together in the past. So there would even be some stability for the team, though as I type this I am not sure if that is a good or bad thing.

by tevans96 on Sep 22, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Think Stability Would Be Fine

Honestly, I’m of the opinion that Gailey isn’t the problem with that offense. It’s lack of talent at QB and (I suspect) Herm’s heavy hand. This offense is simply too similar to the one last year for me to think that Herm’s not micromanaging it to some degree.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cowher w/Gailey

Cowher would lend to some consistency if he kept Gailey on as OC, the two worked together before in Pittsburgh. I would go do cartwheels up and down my street if we got Cowher to come here and coach. I would hope that he would find the job appealing as he was once part of our organization – perhaps similar to Edwards – and would want to see us return to glory.

From what I’ve heard though, Cowher doesn’t want to return to coaching until 2010. Won’t Holmgren be back on the market then too? I know he was going to take a sabbatical after this year and return later. I’d be fine with either of them as coach.

by Ochophosphate on Sep 22, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And The Offensive Line

The offensive line is the other problem. And I don’t have much doubt that Herm’s the one saying that Jones and McIntosh are the starters, not Gailey. Gailey was a good enough coordinator in the past that I’m pretty sure he recognizes a stiff when he sees one.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gailey

When they first hired him I was really not impressed. But when I went back and looked at his track record I felt he would turn this offense around. But with what we have seen I am a little bit into the Herm heavy handed idea. Herm seems to only alow the offense to open up when we are down by ten, now granted we don’t really have the horses on offense at this time and at least in this game we saw more variation in plays than we did the first two weeks.

by tevans96 on Sep 22, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Herm did keep one promise.

You have to admit that Herm Edwards did come through on one of promise to the Chief’s organization. At his first press conference he said that the Chiefs problem was that the offense scored too fast. And he would make it a priority to correct that situation. Well I have to say, after watching all last year and the first three games of this year, mission accomplished!

by smockcsz on Sep 22, 2008 10:53 AM CDT   0 recs

This is not the arena league after all

You wouldn’t want to score too many points :)

by tevans96 on Sep 22, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No Point In Being Greedy :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You have to play as a team

The offense has to help the defense. And vice versa. The D must allow enough third down conversions to give our offense some rest. It’s hard work helping your quarterback get up off the ground after every play. You can hurt a QBs shoulder pulling him up so often.

Plus, let’s be sure our special teams help the defense, too! If we only give the opponents an average of 50 yards to drive for a TD instead of 80 or 90, the D won’t be out there nearly as long. And KC Wolf should get his cart out to give our D a ride back from the end zone each time, too. Many paws make light work.

Sunny D doesn’t usually use a lot of sarcasm. But Sunny D is partly cloudy after three games.
Sunshine in the forecast, though. Will try to point out the cloud’s silver lining later.

by sunny D on Sep 22, 2008 5:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if Herm's "accumen" at scouting talent

was that good, he’d still be in New York

by sm7600 on Sep 22, 2008 10:54 AM CDT   0 recs

Yeah me too

Just because someone says it doesn’t make it true

I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.

by KCking on Sep 22, 2008 12:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no, but the results of the team

give it a good deal of credence

by sm7600 on Sep 22, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like it may have come from the Jets

Makes the most sense. If so – seems like at least one person was happy to see him go……

by Cat Stabber on Sep 22, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It was me.

I’m the guy that said that quote. They must have quoted me without my knowledge. I appreciate them calling me a pro evaluator though.

by Vince D on Sep 22, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

You and Herm, huh?

by primetime 07 on Sep 22, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tyler Thigpen is going to be the next Tom Brady

I’m a veteran pro talent evaluator too. Anyone believe me?

by ChiefDJ on Sep 22, 2008 5:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't know

Tom Brady had a thing for skeletons.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 23, 2008 12:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Charley Casserly GM!

And any coach that knows you have to have balance to win in the NFL. There needs to be a emphasis on scoring points though, none of this chew up the clock B.S. and grind it out in the end. I have said all along Herms plan will not work, now there are higher ups saying this team should be further along than it is, something we could all see.

by Eric Allen on Sep 22, 2008 3:38 PM CDT   0 recs

Casserly Would Be Good

If he’s available. He seems pretty happy with his NFL gig, and he’s not exactly young anymore. But I thought he made smart decisions with the Texans. Taking Williams over Bush seems like it was the right move, even though he got blasted for it at the time.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, it is time

For total regime change, keep Chan and see if the new HC, I get excited just typing that lets him run his offense.

by Eric Allen on Sep 22, 2008 3:48 PM CDT   0 recs

Consider the Source

PFW… not an overly reliable source. But to that end, while we’ve had some question about playcalling, are we really arguing about the Chiefs’ ability to evaluate talent? That’s one area that I’m pretty happy with right now. Albert, Flowers, Bowe, Carr, Page, Pollard, Turk, maybe Tank, Mike Cox, Jamaal Charles, these are all players that we brought in the last 2 years that I think have shown outstanding potential.

Part of that is credit to Kuharich, but recall that his drafting track record wasn’t all that great in New Orleans. Herm definitely had a hand in it and It’s interesting to me that so many people are so unwilling to give Herm any credit whatsoever to anything positive that goes in KC. He’s done some things well, and he’s got to prove himself in some areas. But personnel selection, I think, has been a grand slam for the Chiefs the past 2 years.

by chiefzilla on Sep 22, 2008 3:52 PM CDT   0 recs

Herm's Record

I’m willing to agree that Herm’s got a good record with defensive backs so far. Most of them appear to improve under his tutelage. But I think the rest of the record is spotty at best. Tyler and McBride haven’t proven anything yet…they’re second year players on a terrible defense. Maybe they’re good, maybe they’re bad, we just don’t know. Same with Jamaal Charles and Mike Cox (they’re rookies so they haven’t played a season yet, although both have shown promise). Hali and Bowe were both talents when drafted, but we haven’t seen Bowe improve at all from first to second year and Hali appears to have regressed in three seasons.

So it boils down to these two questions. 1) Are Herm and Kuharich good at finding talent? The answer to that appears to be “maybe”. 2) Can Herm develop talent? So far outside of the defensive backs the answer appears to be “not really” because outside of the defensive backs few of the players on the Chiefs appear to be any better than they were when they were drafted.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it makes most sense...

to resign Herm Edwards with a one-year contract for 2009 (since Carl Peterson still has one more year on his contract) so their contracts end at the same time. If the team improves, yay! And if they don’t, then Cowher will be available for coach and we can find a new GM at the same time.

by Vince D on Sep 22, 2008 4:27 PM CDT   0 recs

You Never Want To Go Looking For A New GM And A New Coach At The Same Time

Starting from scratch with your management is a disastrous approach. If you can Peterson and Herm at the same time, you’re basically going to have a GM come in who’s got little to no idea of what he’s got on hand in terms of talent, who’s already going to have his hands full getting his own people up to speed (since he’ll likely be bringing in a lot of staff he’s comfortable with) and who’s basically going to be flying blind when it comes to bringing in a coach who can play to the Chiefs’ strengths. Add to that the rebuilding of the front office that inevitably comes with any regime change and letting your head coach and GM go simultaneously means the entire franchise will be thrown into chaos once their deals are up at the same time. Not to mention that they’ll both be lame ducks for that final year and any work they do on the draft or free agency will essentially be useless because it may be counter to what your new GM will want to do.

Once you’ve made the decision that a GM isn’t helping the situation, you should be immediately looking for (and quickly hiring) the replacement so you can get the new guy situated as soon as possible so he can start prepping for the offseason and the next year. Then you can let the new guy decide whether he wants to keep Herm around for another year or cut Herm loose and go in a different direction. The GM should get to pick the coach, after all, and you want him to have as much time as possible to scout through his selections before making the hire…you don’t want to put him under the gun to get a coach hired right away otherwise he’ll either be forced to rush things and make a bad decision, or he won’t be able to act quickly enough to get the best available coaching prospects.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 4:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What I'm Saying Is

If we’re not sure about retaining Herm (and I seriously doubt Clark Hunt is absolutely sure about keeping him after the way the team’s performed thus far), then what makes the most sense is to hire a new GM to make the decision on whether to keep him or not after this year (or for the course of this year).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 4:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What I'm saying is

Clark Hunt should hire a GM that has his same taste in coaches (aka Cowher I hope). It’s Clark Hunt’s team. It doesn’t make sense for Peterson to give Herm or some other coach a 3 year contract when he’s only gonna be GM for one. I actually prefer keeping Carl… I think he’s a good GM.

by Vince D on Sep 22, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Agree

I was trying to say that rather than extend Herm’s contract to meet Peterson’s it makes more sense to find Peterson’s replacement now and let him decide what to do with Herm this season and beyond. I don’t think we can put everything on hold for a season if Edwards and Peterson aren’t cutting it this year on the hope that Cowher will want to coach for us in 2010. Too many times big-name coaches who’ve “retired” flirt with the idea of coming back but never consummate (Bill Parcells made a career out of it), they end up screwing the team that was courting them and the Chiefs don’t need that kind of uncertainty…they need a coach who can help them progress. If it’s not going to be Herm, they need to get rid of Herm and find somebody who’s going to help in 2009, not maybe in 2010.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 22, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard that

Lane Kiffin will be searching for work soon.

Maybe our Shanahan? Another disgruntled anti-Al Davis, anti-Oakland coach wanting to coach in the AFC West to spite the old corpse.

by Sudden on Sep 23, 2008 1:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Already the Herm apologists

are doing exactly what I said they would do. They are saying the team needs another year to “gel”, that the team needs to acquire a quarterback (no kidding!), that the team needs to acquire other key players. All of this takes “time”, which will require Herm to be around for at least one more year. To that I say, hogwash. This is Herm’s third year. We have no offense. We have had no offense all the time he has been here. There are no prospects for us having an improved offense this year or the next. I think Herm has far outstayed his welcome. We need a coach who understands that we need to score points to actually WIN a football game!

by G.L. on Sep 23, 2008 4:37 PM CDT   0 recs

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