Quinn is better than any QB we could pick in the first round.

I love that line.

I think it is their plan to make us want Brodie back. Kind of a “don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone” thing. A cheap way of garnering appreciation.

My major gripe with this whole thing (other than the constant losing) is the stubbornness of the staff. The desire to keep SackIntosh starting at RT in order to create continuity on the O-line. The need to give Thigpen his shot over and over again, because he may be something someday (maybe in the CFL). The need to let BJ Sams continue to return punts and kicks and leave Savage inactive. It’s like they think there is some righteousness in sticking by their original choice – like someone will show them respect for doing so. Ridonkulous.

One of the commentators was talking in the 1st half today about how “If Thigpen struggles early on, we could see Huard come in to the game”. I think it was right before Thig threw his 2nd INT, and at the time he had maybe 2 completions for less than 10 yards. All I could think of was – he’s already struggling! Could he possibly be struggling more? And then he threw a pick on what was yet another ugly pass. But next drive, out comes Thig. No Huard, no Martin, no hope. Just more cram it down your throat stubbornness.

Minnesota realized that Tarvaris (sp) Jackson wasn’t going to get them anywhere. He was too inconsistent in their opinion. So instead of shoving him out there week after week and watching the team go down in flames, they actually made a move in attempt to win. That is something it just doesn’t seem like we’re getting these days.

The saying goes – if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Well, we’re broke, and nobody is trying to fix it.

First, I’m not so sure that firings are going to be 14 weeks off if we keep getting housed like we’ve been. The entire rationale behind the rebuilding effort was that Herm gets these young guys, we lose some games this year but we get the players up to speed and by the end of the year we’re competing and next year we’re better. Judging from the wealth of stories on the Star, though, that’s not how the locker room is taking it right now…in fact the players seem angry and disillusioned with what Herm is doing and nobody’s really buying in. Not just the old guys, but the younger ones too (those who aren’t completely clueless, that is, like Thigpen seemed to be in Posnanski’s article) they don’t seem hopeful that there’s anything to build on. Even Herm sounded like he was getting frustrated. Now maybe Herm hangs onto his job until the end of the year…maybe, but the more blowout losses we have, the more unlikely that scenario becomes because for the ownership it’s not just about developing the team, it’s about selling tickets and getting advertising revenue from TV for next year and that becomes a problem when all the fans see is suckiness this year, angry players in interviews and a head coach with no answers. Right now it wouldn’t surprise me to see Clark Hunt step up in the next couple of weeks and announce that Peterson’s gone and shortly after that we hire a new GM. And if we’re still getting killed in games four or five weeks down the road, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Herm get the axe from whoever we put in charge and we end up with Gunther or Chan running the team as interim coach for the rest of the year until we can find a permanent solution this offseason.

So based on the team’s performance to this point, I honestly don’t think that the changes are that far off…this team’s on a 12 game losing streak and as far as I know there’s never been a coach in the modern era of the NFL who kept his job for 27 straight losses (John McKay kept his after losing 26 straight, but he was coaching the Buccaneers when they were an expansion team and he had an excellent career as a college coach). Considering Herm’s spotty track record I don’t see him getting a reprieve like McKay’s if he can’t make this team somewhat competitive fairly soon.

They have sucked longer than we have…looks ups longest streaks without playoff win… Ok never mind we do suck worse than them.

I don’t see Palmer as the kind of guy who’s going to force a trade either. But then he did get a bunch of coaches in Cincy fired last year by going to ownership about how inept they were, so maybe he’s finally hit his limit.

And Cincinnati’s been doing an ultra-fast fire sale this season too…they dumped O’Neal, Anderson, Johnson…just about everyone except their receivers. So maybe they would be in the market for trading Palmer for a top pick.

Oh well, it’ll likely never happen but it’s my fantasy so fuck it :)

I have. Now I’m just tossing out least-worst options for somebody who can stop the bleeding and try to keep the games at least respectable.

That’s the biggest recipe for abject failure I’ve ever seen and you think thats a good idea?

I think that it’s a good idea to find a cheap scrub to tide us over right now who can complete at least 50% of his passes (meaning our young receivers can execute at least 50% of their pass plays) instead of ever putting Tyler Thigpen on the field again. Do I think Culpepper and Harrington are long-term solutions? Hell no, they’re rentals for the rest of the season, which is why we shouldn’t give up anything for them. But the team needs to see that management is trying to put a competent offense out there, the fans need to see that and the players need to have a chance to develop…none of which is happening now, especially since the team refuses to play the only real QB on their roster (Damon Huard) and their second best QB (Croyle) can’t stay healthy.

Quinn is not attractive now because we’re desperate. People have been talking about trading for Quinn if Croyle failed since Anderson resigned his contract.

People who don’t pay attention to the fact that we’ve got more holes in the lineup than a QB is going to fix, that we’d be trading a top five pick for him, that Quinn was drafted 22nd a year ago, that Quinn was inconsistent in college and that he’s 1 for 8 in pass attempts in his pro career (and looked utterly underwhelming in this preseason…the only recent playing time he’s gotten). There is nothing about this trade that sounds like a good idea or that sounds like it’s being made for the right reasons. Do I think Quinn would have been a fine draft pick for us in 2007? Sure…he would have been a late first rounder, which was appropriate given the questions surrounding him. Do I think he’s worth a top five pick now? Hell no.

Here’s a scenario for you. Suppose we trade for Quinn and he gets himself seriously injured behind that patchwork offensive line (a very real possibility). Then we’ll be out a QBOTF and our first round draft pick next year. Will you think that it was a good trade then?

He should have been a top 10 pick

Funny how none of the teams drafting before Quinn in 2007 seem to have agreed with you on that. Especially quarterback-needy teams like Tampa (who like quarterbacks), Miami (in desperate need of a QB), St Louis, New York, and Jacksonville all decided that Quinn was not good enough to be selected above other players on their boards. Want to take the bet that Carl Peterson was somehow smarter than five other teams when it comes to evaluating the potential of a college QB? Because I sure as hell don’t.

On the one hand you rip every move the Chiefs make as "No matter what they do they will fail with Herm and Carl" and then you play pretend GM and lay out the most craptacular plan for our QB situation I’ve ever seen involving a washed up Dante Culpepper and a hodge podge of rejects like Joey freaking Harrington, JP Losman and Redman.

Actually you’ll note that Losman is not lumped in with all of the others, since the Losman scenario I presented is a suggested free agent signing, not a trade (which means he can be acquired without coughing up a draft pick)…and because his numbers show that he’s actually a better QB than anyone currently on our roster and he’s ready to play now.

I know that you’d like to believe that if the Chiefs just make a trade, they’ll address the QB situation and the team will be able to move on with the rebuilding effort, but that’s wishful thinking. Brady Quinn for a top five pick is an extremely risky gamble. Teams that are as hopeless as the Chiefs are right now have no reason to be making gambles like that, because the problems run deeper than one QB. This team needs to be rebuilding the foundation of the team, not taking a quick fix approach by tossing out a high draft pick for a player who’s shown nothing to indicate that he’s worth of that pick.

At least with the fact that there never was a competition in the first place. Quinn was beat out as a rookie and then the incumbent was signed to an $8 million/year deal.

Until Quinn’s demonstrated that he’s good enough to start. And it’ll be past the trading deadline (Week 6) by the time that gets sorted out. Anderson’s not leaving Cleveland for anything less than a first day pick and he’s not worth it right now.