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Tiny by primetime 07 on in Campaign 2008

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Stats are here.

Again there's not much to say.  We were dominated in most facets of the game.  LJ got back to 100 yards and Bowe scored again.

Unfortunately, 22 incompletions and 3 interceptions won't win you anything.  Our offense looked pathetic but at least this game helped re-focus the problem on the QB.

I don't know what else to say anymore.  I guess you could say we made some progress from last week so maybe that was rock bottom?

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We were just demoralized

In what should have been our two easiest games.

We are a great candidate to go 0-16 at this point.

by primetime 07 on Sep 21, 2008 3:09 PM CDT   0 recs

Here's a plus

Oakland lost on a last second FG

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Sep 21, 2008 3:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Yeah, but

at least they were in a position to win. Something we can’t say for what should have been the two easiest games on the schedule.

by Seth_C on Sep 21, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not even close

This game was worse than the OAK game in my opinion. 38 frickin’ points!

by primetime 07 on Sep 21, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To a rookie QB!

And another rebuilding franchise!

by Eric Allen on Sep 21, 2008 5:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair

I think this Falcons team is being underrated. I mean, they’re actually really solid. Houston’s a good corner, they have playmakers up front, Turner’s a beast, Ryan’s got a good arm and the receiving corp is improving.

But then, you can’t turn around a team that’s rebuilding and make them competitive in a year. We’re proof of that.

(Atlanta 2-1; Miami DRUBS the Patriots…wait….)

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Falcons Are Not Good

They gave up 2000 yard rushing last season, they dumped their best cornerback (flawed though he was, he was still better than anyone on their roster now) and most of the new guys they brought in to replace departing players on D were rookies and young guys, same as we did, and they still held our offense to 2 TDs. The Falcons played a rookie QB who was one of the worst passers in the NFL at this point and our defense made him look like a star. This team was at the same point we were last year and they destroyed us.

At some point you have to quit making excuses and just admit that while we might have some talented young players on the roster our coaching staff is simply not getting acceptable performances out of most of them. The Chiefs got blown out by the teams that should have been the easiest on their schedule. They looked utterly unprepared and the head coach seems to be in denial that there are serious problems with his gameplan.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 21, 2008 7:55 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Seriously.

It’s hard to defend you from DJ’s accusations that you’re purely negative when you NEVER say anything positive. That’s a rookie quarterback that’s 2-1. He’s got a strong, smart arm and made some great throws today, no matter what the defense was. God, man, I have to ask you. I’ve been with you in the Herm bashing, but do you get anything from football outside of just getting to point out how much we suck?

You make me look like DJ sometimes.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 9:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes!

Im glad OAK lost

by ROC 27 on Sep 21, 2008 3:12 PM CDT   0 recs

Herm sounds like a beaten man

in the post game press conference

by Cat Stabber on Sep 21, 2008 3:13 PM CDT   0 recs

He should

He cant coach

by ROC 27 on Sep 21, 2008 3:13 PM CDT   0 recs

If Denver loses today

We are only 2 games back… that’s really not that bad.

by Vince D on Sep 21, 2008 3:14 PM CDT   0 recs

Haha

But the difference is that Denver has shown they’re capable of beating quality opponents. We just need to win a game.

by primetime 07 on Sep 21, 2008 3:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure

But it WILL be bad when we’r e like 10 games back

by ROC 27 on Sep 21, 2008 3:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Denver

just scored

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Sep 21, 2008 3:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you serious???

Vince, the Chiefs are not even in the same class as the Broncos….and I HATE the Broncos. The Chiefs will be lucky to win ANY GAMES this year. And, by the way, the Broncos come to Arrowhead next Sunday.

by TopGun on Sep 21, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m scared already. I have several friends that are donkey fans – it’s gonna be a tough week. I don’t think I’ll be answering my cell phone or checking emails for a while.

by Cat Stabber on Sep 21, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude...

We cant even beat the Raiders. We cant even beat the Falcons… And these teams (including us) are among the worst in the league!

by ROC 27 on Sep 21, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Falcons

I think the Falcons have really turned it around, but the Raiders, I can agree with.

by Prospero15 on Sep 21, 2008 3:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So what do you think Herm does week 4

Start Thiggie, Start Huard……… or mayble Ingle???……..please no.

by Prospero15 on Sep 21, 2008 3:17 PM CDT   0 recs

I say

We go with the guy that gives us the best chance to win… Huard… And THATS NOT SAYING MUCH.

Shouldnt Brodie be ready to go by then though?

by ROC 27 on Sep 21, 2008 3:18 PM CDT   0 recs

He has every right to be pissed off. He hasn’t gotten a fair shake since he signed his contract extension. But he has been the consumate professional. The man is a saint.

by TopGun on Sep 21, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If wining was the goal

Huard would have started this week. I understand starting Tyler – but the TEAM needs a win !! If he’s healthy – you gotta go w/ Huard.

by Cat Stabber on Sep 21, 2008 3:20 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't understand starting Thiggie

If player progession really is the goal. Then Huard would be in. I bad qb regresses the whole team.

by Prospero15 on Sep 21, 2008 3:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And...

THATS whats pissing ME off… I understand Herm wants to see what he has on the bench, but when the guy you put out there is 12/30-something, with 1 TD and 2 ints DURING the game, WHY KEEP HIM IN THERE? At SOME point you wanna try to win, right

by ROC 27 on Sep 21, 2008 3:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

couldn’t agree more !!

by Cat Stabber on Sep 21, 2008 3:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can we trade for Eli Manning

Watching the Giants OT at the moment, wow.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Sep 21, 2008 3:20 PM CDT   0 recs

This is pathetic....

Oh my gosh. The Chiefs look worse than anticipated. Why are we playing a quarterback that throws into double team coverage? Why are we runnning the ball with 4 minutes left in the game and we’re down 17 points? I have never been a Herm Edwards fan. I feel so sorry for Damon Huard. Here’s a guy who filled in so well when Trent Green got hurt. He won football games that year for us. Then signs a big extension with the Chiefs. Since then, he as NEVER gotten a fair shake from the Chiefs. Herm said this week, “Tyler deserves a shot.” Why???? What has he done to deserve a shot? Tyler Thigpen is not ready to be a starting QB. Herm Edwards and Carl Peterson are ruining this franchise.

by TopGun on Sep 21, 2008 3:28 PM CDT   0 recs

Agreed

You start the best players on your team. If not then move him and let him play SOMEWHERE. He deserves at least that from the Chiefs !!

by Cat Stabber on Sep 21, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Tyler Thigpen

needs to go back to his 3rd String. Cause he could never be a starter ANYWHERE in the NFL. Damon deserves a shot more so than Thigpen, before he gets too old.

by ROC 27 on Sep 21, 2008 3:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BEFORE

he gets too old?

At what point does he get old? 36? He’s already 35. If you want to argue for a trade, for Martin, for anything, that’s fine, but I think arguing for Huard is shortsighted and essentially this:

“He HAS to be better than what we have NOW!”

Which is essentially what we’ve been doing for the last two years.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh and you think that THIGPEN

gives us a better shot than Huard? FINE! Herm wanted to see what we have in the kid… And there… 60 minutes… Happy NOTHIN’!!!

by ROC 27 on Sep 21, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't care about wins

If you’re looking for wins, you need to re-examine priorities. This isn’t about winning. This season is about building to the future. And Thigpen’s not a part of that, but he gives us more opportunity to use the athleticism we have, and he makes plays. A lot of them are bad. But that scramble, the touchdown throw, the mobility?

Damon doesn’t have that.

I honestly want them to start Damon for a half so we can see the difference. We had a few moments where we could have gotten back in this game today, and Thigpen was part of that.

And then we ran draws on 3rd and 5 and tried running on 4th down. Because we’re geniuses.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very true

As absolutely disgustingly horrible as we were in the first half, we still had opportunities to at least be competitive in this game. If Novak had made the field goal and if they had been succesful in scoring a touchdown instead of getting stopped on the 6 inch line, the score is 31 – 23 and a one score game.

But this is what happens when you have a half built team and you’re running your 3rd string QB to see what he’s got. You don’t make plays that you should make and the young guy thats really not talented enough to start in the NFL makes mistakes. What else do we expect?

I agree with Matt that we get nothing out of starting Huard. At least by letting Thigpen play we are confirming that he shouldn’t be a part of the future, just like we need to see Croyle play to confirm that we need a different starting QB, or if he gets things turned around, that he can be.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreeing with you

makes me feel uneasy. It just feels wrong. Like writing with my left hand, or drinking Bud Light.

DJ, as an avid Herm supporter, I gotta get your thoughts. The coaching staff was not great today, would you agree? That 4th down run kills me. Just kills me.

Oh, and I’ll add one more for people to flame me for.

as much as I hate that we ran on that play?

Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Christian Okoye: what do they have in common?

They all would have gotten that touchdown. I’m just sayin.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not going to argue about coaching today

Its a losing battle because whether its the coaches fault or not, until they start winning its just banging your head against the wall.

All I know is that if your players can’t get you a 2 yard gain NO MATTER WHAT THE CALL, its a sign that you have some problems which we already know we do.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 4:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't care

about the win. Again, don’t care about the win. Chris and I actually agreed. If we’d scored on that drive and lost by 10? We’d actually feel pretty good about the game.

But it was like, LJ showed flashes (when wide-open holes were opened), the o-line showed flashes, thigpen actually started to play… (gulp) well. And then the coaching staff shot us in the foot. It was really defeating to beg the players to play better only to have the playcalling ruin us.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What do you think should have been done there?

Seriously, if you’re going to second guess everything, what do you call on 4th and 2 and still blame it on the coaches if that play doesn’t work?

The play they SHOULD be calling is an up the gut dive, but the offensive line has proven they don’t have the ability to block that type of play.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No way.

Play action outlet pass to cox or tony. back of the endzone lob to bowe, cross pattern to darling, quarterback bootleg scramble. Any of these options, had they failed? I would be blaming Thigpen. By denying him that chance, ti just killed me. I’m not being inconsistent. I know you think that everyone that blames the coaches is inconsistent, just hear me out. I really liked what our offense called right up until that 1st and goal. And then we got conservative again. Just broke my heart to see them waste that.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's what we gave them shit about in week one

I liked the call. We had been running ok. They just stopped us, then we couldn’t stop them, again.

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 21, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good point

that is what we gave them shit about. It was just a situation where I was like "surely we won’t run. we’ve run this entire drive. they know we’re running. we CAN’T be that predictable. "

*Stop

*slams head into wall

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah,

I liked our chances, and he damn near got it.

Something about horseshoes?

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 21, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, we ran that whole drive

And that’s what got us there. Why would you switch away from what had been working? If they can’t stop it you run it until they DO stop it.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can

see why you like Herm so much. “It worked all the way, why Stop?”

It’s because eventually the defense will figure out how to stop you because they’ll quit worrying about the pass and send four guys at your running back. LJ beat three of them. Okoye, Marcus, or Priest would have beaten the fourth guy. But we still should have taken a shot.

Also, think about how much throwing that pass would have done for Thigpen? Think about how much it would have done for the team?

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But there is the problem

You DONT blame the players. Everyone blames the playcall or coaching. The PROOF of that is exactly what we are talking about here. 4th and 2 and you DONT want to run the ball?

LJ was one on one on the outside with a guy and couldn’t beat him. Most of the time he will, this time he didn’t.

This is exactly what I’ve been talking about this season. Sometimes its not the playcalling. Sometimes it is just up to the players being able to execute the play. The run with LJ to the outside had a MUCH higher % chance of success than any pass play.

Who you going to trust to get the ball in from 2 yards out? Your Pro Bowl RB that has over 100 yards rushing in the game at that point or your 3rd string 7th round draft pick in his 2nd year that threw for only 38% accuracy and 3 interceptions today?

I would have been throwing a fit if they had had him throw it in that situation.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 4:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought the play calling was far better this week.

Execution was lacking.

A lot of dropped passes. A lot of shitty passes.

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 21, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Playcalling

was better in the 2 minute offense and in the third quarter. In the fourth, we went back to the shortbus offense.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"sometimes"

but as much as you say we always blame the coaches and never the players, you’re the same with coaches. You really think the playcalling was good today?

Players made mistakes. Tyler was HORRIBLE in the first half. Our defense failed in every phase of the game.

I’m just trying to see if you’ll admit that the coaching staff ever makes mistakes, because it really seems like you’re trying so hard to protect them that you’re ignoring it when they make mistakes. Were there other times that were bad playcalls? Like the 3rd an 5 shotgun draw?

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How can you POSSIBLY blame the coaches

When you have a QB throwing for 38% and throwing 3 interceptions?

You want to talk about the 3rd and 5 draw? You mean the one that went for long gains and first downs the other two times they ran it?

Do coaches make bad calls? Sure, every coach does, otherwise teams would be going 16-0 every season.

The problem I have is that EVERYTHING gets blamed on teh coaches. If Bowe drops 4 balls including the game winning touchdown, its bad coaching. If Thigpen throws for 38% and 3 INTs, its bad coaching. If Jarrod Page bites on the playaction and Ryan hits his WR for 68 yards, its the coaching. If they run LJ on 4th and 2 and he’s got one guy to beat and can’t do it, its the coaching.

Tell me when it IS the players fault and not the coaches?

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 4:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

DJ

at some point you just need to be fair.

Yeah, Tyler put us in a hole. I’m not blaming the loss on the coaches exclusively. It was a collective ball of suck. The Patriots game wasn’t bad coaching. They actually coached really well in that game.

But am I going to blame the coaches for being too conservative and failing to creative effective gameplans and more importantly for failing to prepare the players? Yeah. I’m not saying he should be fired. I’m saying he needs to do a better job. Thigpen actually got better as the game went on. I actually credit Dick Curl a lot because I was making fun him for talking to Thigpen, but as the game went on, Bones settled down and started trusting the system and you could tell the coaches’ advice was getting through to him.

But man, your arguments would go a lot further if you didn’t just deflect everything to the players screwing up the awesome gameplan that’s been devised.

It’s funny, I was actually talking to Chris about how good Page is and how much improvement he’s shown, and that really his biggest problem is looking for the big play and getting caught on play action. Then i look up. D’oh!

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 5:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure if you can come up with a gameplan

Our players are capable of executing, they will listen, because thats the problem.

They come out and try to throw deep on the first down of the game and the QB gets sacked.

The reason I’m deflecting is because I think you want them to do things the squad isn’t capable of doing. You can’t throw the ball deep if you have a noodle arm or inaccurate QB and an offensive line that can’t hold long enough to do a 5 step drop.

Right now everything is being SCAPEGOATED onto the coaches but I’m telling you man, I can’t tell whose fault it is with all the mistakes being made by the players right now.

Tell me what gameplan is going to be succesful with a QB that only completes 38% of his passes and your O-line can’t block a simple Guard-Tackle hole for 3 or 4 yards?

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But

we opened up the offense on two drives inside two minutes in the first three games and we have good results from them. We actually do better when we suit the gameplan to the personnel instead of hammering a bad gameplan where it doesn’t fit. Does that make sense? Can you at least try to see where we’re coming from and admit that it’s possible?

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 5:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a cop out DJ

You yourself said Herm had his hand in personnel so he’s the one responsible for bringing them in therefore he’s the one responsible for how they play.

It’s simple accountability.

by primetime 07 on Sep 21, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying the players are bad

The players are making mistakes.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What?

So you’re really saying we have a talented offensive line that’s just having mental “whoopsies?”

You’re saying that all three of our quarterbacks are top level talent that just aren’t trying hard enough?

You’re saying that our defense just doesn’t have its head on straight? Isn’t that Gunther’s responsibility to screw them on?

Players have to execute, but the gameplan has to be sound. If the gameplan is sound and the players don’t execute, it’s coaches’ responsibility to get guys in who will. I’m not saying he’s supposed to magically create a superbowl winner. But we’ve talked about being competitive. We haven’t been competitive. Part of that is players and part of that is coaching. Just try and keep perspective.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 5:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Have I ever said that?

So how do you determine what is the coaches fault and what is the players fault? If the play is succesful its because the players made it happen and if the play fails its the players fault? Because thats what you sound like you’re saying.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 5:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I meant

If the play fails its the coaches fault

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I gotcha.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I get tired of having to defend the coaching

But I pretty much never hear “Oh man, we could have won that if Tyler Thigpen could have thrown for 50% instead of 38%” or “If Pat Thomas, then Brandon Flowers, then Jarrod Page had made their tackles instead of letting Turner break off that 50 yard run, we would have still been in the game” or “If Page hadn’t bit on the short route and covered the deep route like hes supposed to, they wouldn’t have gotten beat on that 68 yard pass”.

No, instead, every thread is about “Playcallings bad and Herm needs to be fired”. Nobody ever gets into specifics except this one play on 4th and 2 that we were talking about which I bet if you polled the site most people would say running it in that situation was the right thing to do.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're probably right

I’m trying to give you as many points as I can to further the conversation but you just won’t budge.

Most people would probably say to run. I don’t agree, but then, I just want Thigpen to throw it, because he’s terrible but amusing.

I mean, I’m just trying to say that it was 50/50. That’s what it’s been this whole year. It’s been a complete fail. Bad players playing badly after being badly prepared and then having bad gameplans.

It’s not players, or coaches. It’s the entire team.

My only problem is that Tyler Thigpen isn’t at the top of the chain, and he did score a touchdown today when we got away from the usual gameplan and started slinging it a little bit.

(did LOVE the screens today. Keep that up Herm/Gailey!)

But you won’t even admit for a second that the coaches have done anything badly. It’s just “they did the same amount badly that any coach did.” And even primetime who usually defends your way of thinking disagrees. Can’t we try and agree on things and see each other’s points instead of holding onto what is, at this point, rhetoric?

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 5:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats because its pointless

I can think of some plays that I would have called differently, sure.

Im sure there are a lot of plays they would call differently if they had better players at QB, O-line, etc. But they are trying to call plays based on the players we’ve got.

I’m not going to join in the bashing bandwagon, I’m trying to be a roadbump to it. To be honest with you, I could care less if Herm is fired tomorrow and the head coach / offensive coordinator of your choice are put in, the team is still going to be bad because the talent we have is inexperienced and most of the experience we have has no talent.

To me, complaining about playcalling with the above problem is just looking for a scapegoat because the team sucks.

I want to see the players get to a reasonable performance expected of NFL players and THEN we can talk about whether the playcalling was bad or not. Until that happens though, it makes absolutely no difference.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it's all tied together

and I think most people would agree. The coaching staff is at the front of the team’s direction.

And we’ve been sliding backwards continually. Today was one of the few times we started to move forward after going down 24-0.

That Thigpen scramble was great, by the way. Also, I really like how Page plays, even with the play fake gaffe. However, our D-Line is just wretched. Tamba got just destroyed today.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bowe had a good game again

He had the bad game against New England, but he’s a solid player.

I don’t know what to think of the D-line. Tank and Dorsey did a good job stuffing the run up the middle for the most part, but we got creamed on the outside. I don’t know what the deal is with Hali. He is pretty much invisible for most of this year, the past couple years even if he wasnt getting sacks he was at least in the backfield causing pressure.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 21, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's really regressing

I think Allen may have been the key to his success. That post you did with his progress seems to have hit a significant bump.

I like our corners. They’re a little off on routes, but that’s all experience stuff. I like their attitude and size. I think we might have something going in the secondary if we can just improve the front seven.

Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 21, 2008 5:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where was DJ today?

I didn’t hear his name called a single time.

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