Friday Morning Update: Need to Know Edition
by Chris Thorman on Sep 19, 2008 8:04 AM CDT
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- One of the unverified rumors circling KC this week has been that Damon Huard asked to be taken out of the Raiders game, or that he had gotten on Herm's bad side and coach got fed up with him. Not sure if either of those is true but I wanted to throw them out there.
- Brodie Croyle and Pat Surtain are the only Kansas City Chiefs not practicing according to the injury report. Looks like Nap Harris and Will Franklin are a go this weekend but I'm unsure of how much they'll play, if at all.
- Harm Edwards? It could stick.
- Within two weeks, Tony Gonzalez should surpass Shannon Sharpe on the all-time receiving yards for a tight end list. He needs 85 yards to do it.That would give TG the most touchdowns by a tight end; the most receptions by a tight end; and the most receiving yards by a tight end. Greatest. Ever.
- Eh, why not? Early Look: NFL Draft Top 100 Prospects from Rivals.com.
- I suppose it's about time to start using this phrase - "The Nextel portion of Sprint Nextel has been losing subscribers even faster than the Kansas City Chiefs have been losing starting quarterbacks lately."
- Jeffrey Flanagan says: "Be patient. It will get better."
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One more item of note from the Comment of the Day on Flanagan's blog - "My family has had season tickets for 35+ years. I would like a partial credit towards next year, please."
No. No you should not get a freakin' partial refund. Do you know how exchanging money for a product works? You paid to see a football season. Not a winning football season. A season. You did not pay for a specific football strategy. No team can guarantee wins. It was your decision to buy the season tickets. The Chiefs did not make you do that. Maybe if you paid an ounce of attention to the team you would know that the expectations for this year were zero. At least for the educated fans they were.
You wouldn't demand a refund on your wedding because you and your wife got in a fight, would you?
The reader comment ends like this: "How great would it be if all the fans boycotted and stayed in the parking lot for a whole game?" Seriously dude? You just lost your Chiefs' fan privileges. Give your tickets to someone who actually wants to watch football and stay the hell away from me.
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Speaking of wives and the Chiefs...
- More Quinn talk: Brady Quinn Will Not Be A Member of the Kansas City Chiefs.
- No TV blackout in Atlanta. Get used to hearing about Chiefs blackouts this year. It's the lazy story to file on Wednesday for reporters because the sell-by date for the NFL is Thursdays at 1 PM for Sunday games.
- I forgot where I read it but someone compared Damon Huard to a few of the guys in the cart in this clip.
- styg50 from MHR picked the Chiefs to win this weekend!
- Finally, and I'm stretching a bit here, does it bother you that Tyler Thigpen's alma mater's football program is only five years old? It has no bearing on his play in the NFL today but I'm just saying. That's a young program.
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Thigpen
I think of how long his school’s had football every time I hear someone pump up his college accomplishments by noting he set all the records. Of course he set all the records, he graduated two years ago and they didn’t even have football before he got there.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
But He Set All The Records!!!
That makes him great!!!
:)
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Seriously
what did Bones do to you?
All he’s ever wanted is to go out there, live his dream, play the game he loves, then go home and have sex with a skeleton. Why do you have to hate him for that, huh?
So he was the first quarterback. All that means is he set a high standard early! And if that’s not good enough for you, then you can go have sex with a LIVE person, okay?
Dear God, the kid hasn’t come out and said he’s going to toss for 300 yards. Give him a break (and a skeleton to have sex with).
by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 19, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
If It Makes You Feel Any Better
I don’t begrudge the kid a living or an attempt to live the dream of being a pro football player. Seems like a nice enough guy, with a sense of humor I’d appreciate. It’s not really his fault that he’s the homeless man’s Mike McMahon…but unfortunately that’s the level he performs at so it’s not really a disservice to him to point that out.
Also, it’s nothing personal towards him and I won’t blame him all that much if he has a rotten game…like you said, it’s not like he’s promising to be Manning or Brady. It’s also not like he’s writing himself into the starting lineup.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
And when
he throws for 250 yards, 2 TDs, then goes home and bags three members of the Army of Darkness, you’ll be singin’ a different tune.
Bones. It's not just a noun it's a verb. Not just a nickname, a movement.
by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 19, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
One of the unverified rumors circling KC this week.....
is this just going about the residents or is there another outlet we should pay attention to?
Interesting discussion
on one of the local sports shows yesterday here in Omaha, NE, the guest was a guy from Yahoo Sports or Fox (can’t remember which) who was asked about Vince Youngs future. He was saying that he needs an offense that will get him outside the pocket. Tennesse runs primarily between the tackles. The host then said he knew a perfect place for VY – with Chan Gailey. The guest then said “Yeah, Vince Young could end up in Kansas City.”
Just thought that was interesting. Could that be a good thing?
With Chan Gailey I guess I see the connection
But I would not want this to happen one bit. Not at all. Him and Vick are in the same category, in my opinion. I just don’t like running backs with a penchant for injury.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed in the sense
that he is very sensitive. However I wouldn’t put him in the Vick Category just yet. He got he feelings hurt and is pouting about it.
From a football strategy standpoint I think it would be good. If there was always the threat of playaction then it could open up the inside run game. If Vince gets out in the open and was asked to only make the easy throws to guys like Gonzalez, Bowe and Cottam then I think he could flourish.
Not trying to stir any pots just heard the idea and thought about it
I hear ya
What I meant in the comparison to Vick is just on the football field. Neither are very accurate and haven’t really helped their teams do a whole lot. The Titans definitely made the playoffs in spite of Young.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
oh definitely -
my thoughts are if Gailey can make the offense simple enough for him to be effective. Highly doubtful though
How Much More Simple Can You Get?
There’s just not a lot of variety in that playbook and they already dumbed it down for Croyle. And it looked like the Raiders defense started figuring out our plays pretty early in the game last Sunday, so how long will it take a good team’s defense to figure things out?
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Croyle didn't even play last week...
So how can Gailey dumb it up any more, I thought the variety of plays was going to be unleashed because Huard got the nod. Then we had that bizarre sequence of QB confusion. Not so much to get Oakland’s Def. confused, but to create further confusion within our own offense.
We cannot bash Croyle anymore for the offense if he’s not in it at the present time. Gailey’s been around the NFL for a long time, and I would think he could easily put in an offense that could cater to strength of the QB’s, OH…..wait it was suppose to be Huard that started against the Raiders, no wonder why Gailey had three different QB’s under center. He realized Huard had a noodle for an arm, and couldn’t do much with him. Sorry………I forgot……
by aPacificChief on Sep 19, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris' Rant
I agree, Chris. I know fans are frustrated but it shouldn’t reach the level of refunding tickets.
And trying to boycott? I’m really, really glad 99% of the commenters here are much, much better than that.
The Ticket-Holders Don't Deserve Refunds
I’m with Chris, when you pay for a season ticket it’s an investment like any other, and you don’t get to back out just because you made an unwise choice because you didn’t pay attention to what you were buying. Everyone knew the Chiefs would be bad this year…so even if they’re worse than we thought that’s just the risk you take.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Not saying they do
But they are the ones who keep the team the Kansas City Chiefs, and not the LA Chiefs. Revenue is the thing that keeps a team in business, and without the people who pay for the team either by buying tickets, merchandise, whatever, there would be no team to support.
Did we know the Chiefs would be bad? Sure. Did we expect to see handicapped offense and defense, that is supposed to help play mistake free football, meltdown completely? Not really. I don’t buy season tickets, but if I did, I would expect something a little more respectable than getting your ass handed to you at home.
have you seen my baseball?
An Analogy On Expectations, Utility And Service
You’re talking about being unhappy with your expectations, but when you buy a season ticket for any team, you’re not buying it with a guarantee of wins or losses…that’s just part of sports. The way the ticketholders make their voices heard is to not renew (same as you don’t go back to a store that gives you crappy service). Going to a football game, you’re not buying a physical good, per se, that you can return…you’re paying for the labor put out by the players and labor is a perishable product that you can’t return, it’s the equivalent of having a sales clerk be rude to you when they’re selling you a hammer. As long as the hammer does what’s promised, your gripe isn’t with the product, just with the manner in which it was sold to you. The “hammer” in this case is the season ticket and it’s only promise is that it guarantees you a seat at Arrowhead (which it provides)…it doesn’t promise that you’ll enjoy what the Chiefs’ employees do while you’re sitting there, even if the service (in this case the on-field performance) is rude and incompetent. So with the Chiefs there’s no entitlement to fan refunds unless the Chiefs set that as a precondition before selling the tickets (which I’m pretty sure they didn’t).
I don’t buy season tickets, but if I did, I would expect something a little more respectable than getting your ass handed to you at home.
And if you had purchased season tickets, and the Chiefs are as bad and as unpromising for next season as I believe they’re going to be, then I’m pretty sure you’d be considering non-renewal. I think a lot of fans are going to do that after this season’s up. And if the Chiefs well and truly stink I’m pretty sure that Clark Hunt’s going to be aware of that as well and he won’t be happy.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
A Slight Revision To My Rambling
When I say that you’re buying the labor, that was inaccurate. When you’re buying the season ticket, all you’re really buying is a reservation for a seat at Arrowhead. As long as you get that, the labor on the field is irrelevant because all the ticket guarantees is the seat.
Sorry, went stream-of-consciousness when writing my last comment, which is always a bad idea before my second dose of caffeine in the morning. :)
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
Well
The people I go with have had their season tickets since Arrowhead was built. So I am pretty sure they will keep renewing. Because when the team does eventually turn around, you want those seats :)
I guess its just the price you pay for being a loyal fan
have you seen my baseball?
Always Is
If you pay for the tickets you do so knowing full well that there is no guarantee that your team will be any good. Of course, that’s why we watch sports in the first place…if we knew who was going to win before the game there would be no point. :)
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
South Florida...
has only had a football program since ‘97, and been I-A since ’01. They’ve managed to do pretty well for themselves in a short amount of time. Then again, they count former starting Chiefs LB Kawika Mitchell amongst their alum, so maybe it isn’t soo impressive.
I was kinda dismayed at the turnout I saw on the TV this weekend. I’d kill for a chance to see 8 games every season at Arrowhead, no matter how much we suck (read: I can drink a lot of beer).
I was at the game.
And the turnout and crowd noise was pretty much nonexistent. You can say you’d kill to see the 8 home games every season, so why don’t you go to one?
You better have a fat wallet if you want to drink alot of their $7 and $9 beers. I know they went down easy for me while the raiders were walking all over the Chiefs. Think I had 8 in the stadium during the game.
have you seen my baseball?
Yeah, me too
Luckily I was brought along with some work people so it was all expensed.
If not, I just can’t justify (read: poor college student) spending $75 inside the stadium 8 times a year.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 19, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Holla at that, +1
Plus, I drive 6 hours round trip to watch them get their asses kicked for 3 hours. Luckily, I get barbecue out of the deal… Sad…
-cw
me three
It may have been the most depressing atmosphere during a regular season game that I attended including the half full game last year. I had to get on a flight after the game (basically follwed the Raiders to the airport) so i was a little more moderated with 5 beers and no one else I was with had even 1.
Bad example on the tix
The difference is that you don’t pay for your wife like a product
/at least you’re not supposed to.
//What do you mean “What am I reading?”, honey?
///grovel.
-cw
Tell that to a lot of
the married folk on here and they may disagree.
by Chris Thorman on Sep 19, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Boycott
Asking for a refund is obviously either a joke or incredibly naive, so I won’t discuss it.
I don’t have a problem with boycotts.
Wait. Just hear me out.
Does it damage the franchise? Absolutely. But if you’re a diehard fan that honestly and truly feels that management has wasted your supportive dollars over the last three years and you want to express yourself, there’s no other way to make an impact. You can go on here and rip apart Carl Peterson for everything and turn every argument into a reason it’s his fault, but in the end, that won’t affect management, because it doesn’t affect the bottom line. This is sad, but true. Boycotting is the only way to make an impact that doesn’t involve a public protest. If you want them to understand you won’t support them if they continue to make moves you feel are foolish, unwise, ill-prepared and otherwise overly conservative to the end of being contrary to the continued growth and prosperity of the franchise you’ve invested yourself in, the best way is to remove your dollars from their revenue stream. I don’t like it, and I wont’ do it, because I’m not there yet. But if I were a Lions fan, suffering through year 100 AM (after Millen)? I would totaly boycott that franchise. And if we’re rebuilding in five years, still the laughing stock of the league? I’ll be tempted to do the same, because they will have abused my trust.
For me the real horror is that scenario, because the end result is not just a bad football team. It means selling the Chiefs and moving them. And that I just couldn’t bear.
by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 19, 2008 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
Two Things
One, I completely agree with your comments regarding boycotts. I can appreciate that you’re not there yet…I, however, have been following this team for 20 years and I simply don’t accept that anything will change until they hire a real GM. I’ve just seen too many five year plans come up short with nothing really changing…and whether Herm or Carl is the real GM is irrelevant because double-duty coach/GMs are just as bad as a GM who hasn’t admitted a mistake in a decade.
Two, the Chiefs aren’t going anywhere even if the fans boycott them. KC is a market that will support them, and there aren’t really more attractive options out there…especially considering the amount of cash the ownership has dumped into improvements at Arrowhead this offseason. They’re here for the long haul, so that threat should be off the table. And like you said, if fans aren’t voicing their protest in ways that affect the bottom line, most of the time the team won’t care and won’t improve. All that keeping quiet because of fear of relocation will do is increase the chances that nothing will change and that you’ll be stuck with a team that doesn’t care what the fans think.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
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