Consider their stats yesterday:
D. Johnson 7-1
T. Tyler 6-2
D. Edwards 5-2
D. Williams 5-0
A. Boone 3-1
G. Dorsey 3-0
T. Hali 3-1
P. Thomas 3-1
T. Jackson 1-1
T. McBride 0-1
This is open for debate.

That this is rock bottom.

It is unfortunate because I don’t see our offense getting any better in the near future (as in this year, or atleast until brodie comes back), but when it finally does I think that we will see an extremely talented defense. Like I said before, if our offense wasn’t so inept to the point where we couldn’t get the ball across midfield, then Oakland would not have scored. Both of Oaklands scoring drives in the first half, which were not only field goals, but when our defense wasn’t exausted, started at mid field. Lets not forget that Sebastion Janikowski kicked a 56 yard field goal as well.

Bottom line is that our defense basically shut down there offense until the second have when they just wore out. Take out that bizarre punt recovery by Oakland (that I still feel should have been ours, even though I don’t know all the rules obviously), and Oakland doesn’t score on a 90+ yard drive. Heck, if fumbly mcfadden wasn’t so lucky then maybe the Chiefs could have recovered his fumble caused by a gorgeous strip by bernard pollard.

We have playmakers on defense that can shut an opposing team down. All we need to do is make sure that the defense isn’t on the field for the majority of the game.

Look on the brightside, both of our safetys caused fumbles today, and if we had brodie in, we might even have gotten a few points off of them.

Look at it this way; In a game where the Chiefs redefined the phrase 3-and-out, the time of possesion was nearly identical. Why? Because before the defense became so tired, they continued to force the Oakland offense off of the field.

The number one product of a good running game is TOP (time of possesion). So, since the Raiders ran all over us, why isn’t the time heavily in there favor, especially with our offense?

I said it to everyone at the game and I TRIED to call in to 610 to say it today…The defense can only take so many 3-and-outs…they just got wore out…

We realize that this would not phase an AMAZING defense, but we are merely average and it got to us…

with that said, the offense is responsible for the loss by all means and it needs ALOOOOOT of work…and competent coaches…

I am not worried at all by Glenn Dorsey’s lack of production so far for a couple reasons:
    1. He is a rookie playing one of the toughest positions for the transition to the pros, look at how much better Tank and Turk are this year, the difference is astounding…Tank is performing great after many labeled him a THIRD ROUND bust last year…
     2. He missed alot of training camp time…he is even further behind…

Sorry, but you didn’t make a coherent point in this entire piece

However, when you look at our run defense with rationality instead of non-hopsitality (sorry, I felt like rhyming, deal with it), this game really is not an indication of how our run defense is.

Actually, when a team with a QB that can’t throw the ball with any accuracy runs for 300 yards on you (and the 3rd string back posts up 90) and none of those backs average under 4 yards per carry, that’s a very good indication that this is exactly how bad our run defense is. It’s not one running back having a great day against your team ala Adrian Peterson against the Chargers, it’s three backs imposing their will. You’ve given no evidence at all to refute this other than contradiction.

Now, this next part will probably only be comprehended by the fans who ever played on the defensive side of the football, so I expect all offensive and non-football players to disagree with this.

I always love when people start out with this kind of comment to try and automatically exclude people from arguing with them, it immediately lets me know that a b.s. assertion is following….usually a poorly-thought out one.

But, after the Chiefs defense spent the majority of the game on the field with no rest between (thanks, Werm Ball), the defense will obviously tire out. So, what do you think will happen when you take a guy who just ran in the low 4.3’s plays against a defense that just spent more that half of the game on the field already? Yikes! Don’t you think that maybe when he hits that hole awith about 90% of his stamina left, our defense will be just a little slow to close in on him?

I think that anyone who’s ever followed football or played football realizes that defenses get more tired the longer they’re on the field. In fact, every time an offense doesn’t do particularly well (which is quite frequently in the NFL) the announcers make that comment…so just about anyone who will comment on this thread understands that too (even “non-defensive players”). The problem is, though, that despite many teams having thoroughly miserable days, very few of those teams ever give up 300 yards rushing against an opponent with a QB as bad as JaMarcus Russell was on Sunday (Minnesota v. San Diego’s the only one I can think of but Bollinger and Jackson were both somewhat decent in that game as QBs). It was also an atypical game for San Diego, who were a very good defensive team last year. The Chiefs, on the other hand, gave up 5 yards per carry to New England’s running backs last week in our other regular season game, so there’s a pretty good indication that this is what we can expect from our run defense this year.

You’re also overstating the fatigue factor…in fact, considering that Bernard Pollard (not noted as a speed demon) ran down McFadden from behind after he broke off a long run, I’d say that he was either as fatigued out there as the defense or the defense wasn’t quite as tired as you think.

You might think that this is just a Chief fan opinion, but McFadden is not that good. He was over rated in college because he can throw the ball half-decent (like most NFL athletes can anyways) and because he is so fast.

Got to agree with sm7600 here, this is a really ridiculous comment to make. What, exactly, do you base that opinion off of? His yards per carry average that never dropped below 5 in his college career, while playing in the toughest conference in college football? His yards per carry average in the NFL where he hasn’t gotten less than 5 in either of his two games? He was overrated because he can “throw the ball half-decent”? What the hell does that even mean? He was drafted 4th overall because he’s a running back who does an outstanding job of getting lots of yards and so far he’s lived up to his hype. Maybe that changes as the season progresses but right now you’re simply talking out of your ass.

The guy fumbled the ball when he hit his fullbacks heel for heavens sake!

Hate to break it to you, but most running backs in the Hall of Fame have dropped a fumble or two in moments where they didn’t have a good reason to do so, so unless McFadden does it on a consistent basis it’s not much of a detraction from his skills. That’s what happens to running backs sometimes. Perhaps it’s your lack of experience paying attention to the offensive side of football that keeps you from understanding that. :)

He runs like a deer, has poor vision, and cannot protect the football. The only thing he has going for him is that he is fast (Al Davis drafted him after all, right?).

His level of performance over his entire college and pro career so far refutes your argument. Guys who are merely fast don’t usually last at running back unless they’ve got other skills as well. And the fact that Al Davis drafted him means nothing…there is nothing preventing Al Davis from occasionally drafting good players. It’s just that he usually doesn’t because he can’t tell the difference. With McFadden, he apparently drafted a pretty good player.

Unfortunatly, the last thing our exhausted defense needed at the end of the game was to face a fast running back, just like McFadden.

Actually, McFadden started busting loose on us on the second Oakland drive of the 3rd quarter, and since the first Oakland drive lasted all of 30 seconds (3 pass incompletions and a punt) you can’t really make the case that the Chiefs’ defense was tired by that point unless you’re also claiming that the Chiefs defense is so out of shape that they’re only capable of playing one half of football. What seems more likely is that Lane Kiffin outcoached Herm Edwards by making adjustments at halftime…which is a common occurence in Kansas City (and it’s largely why our run defense is so bad, not because our team doesn’t have talent on defense).

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=280914012&period=0

Kwame Harris – possibly their best run blocker wasn’t even in there at LT. Hali is way overmatched on that side and needs to get back to his original position.