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The Day After... Chiefs Lose To Raiders

 

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So this is the part where I come in and cheer everyone up and talk about all the good things that came out of yesterdays game....

Well, there was how good our developmental QB is progressing... Oh wait, he went 14/33 with an interception (and about 4 more that SHOULD have been interceptions)

Well you can't deny that our defense has really improved against the run.  Err... yeah, I forgot.  The Raiders ran the ball for 300 yards on us even though JaMarcus Russell couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in the passing game.

Well, to be honest the only thing I can really think of is how much fun we're going to have at the draft in April.

Tighten your chinstraps Chiefs fans.  This is going to be a LONG season.

More tragic comedy after the jump...

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"We knew exactly what these guys were going to do... We knew they were going to come in and try to run the football on us.  That was their mindset and we knew we had to stop the run and try to run the football, try to protect our quarterback. 

We didn't get any of those things accomplished.  They came out and knocked us off the ball and ran the ball down our throat."

That quote by Herm pretty much sums it up.  The philosophy the Chiefs are being built on requires they both be able to stop the run on defense and be a run first team on offense.  The reason the Chiefs have sucked SO BAD during this 11 game losing streak is because they can do neither of those things.

Let's start with the good side of the ball.  And when I say good, I mean the side that gave up 300 yards rushing.  The defense.  I think Carr and Flowers played well, but its tough to tell considering my six year old daughter is a more accurate passer than JaMarcus Russell who only completed 6 passes for 55 yards. 

So WHY was the defense incapable of stopping the run when that was all they had to worry about?  When you look at the stats, the Raiders only rushed for 67 yards in the 1st half (when we went to halftime, the score was 6-0) and then totally exploded in the 2nd half running for over 233 yards.  To find out the biggest reason why this happened, you only have to look at the time of possession.  From the 2nd quarter on, the Raiders had the ball 27:47 to the Chiefs 17:13.  Nearly 10 minutes longer in the 45 minutes of the final 3 quarters. 

The defense was tired.  It was getting pounded, at one point by 8 consecutive runs, and was not getting rest because our offense couldn't sustain a drive longer than 3 minutes in the final 3 quarters of the game except once (one drive was 4 minutes) with 5 drives taking less than 1:34 off the clock.

The irony of this of course, is that this is EXACTLY what Herm wants the Chiefs to be able to do.  Run the ball, keep the oppossing teams defense on the field for a long time so they are tired late in the game so you can run all over them while your own defense is resting.  But we have been completely incapable of doing so.  Why not?

Is the play calling bad?  That's tough to say.  I would imagine its tough for any offensive coordinator to come up with a game plan that doesn't require the services of an offensive line.

The O-line is completely inept to the right of Brian Waters.  There are absolutely no holes being opened for a running back to get through; whether its LJ, Charles or the new "Slash" player Hagan.  All Chiefs running backs combined for only 34 yards rushing the entire game.  The QBs combined for 21 yards rushing in "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!" scrambles.  That friends, is absolutely pathetic.

McIntosh is completely overmatched by speed rushers coming off the end, often not even getting a hand on them.  At the end of last season some joked that the line was so bad we might run out of QBs.  Today that looked like a very real possibility as Damon Huard was knocked out of the game early with dizziness after taking a hit to the head.

The entire strategy for winning the Chiefs are being built around hinges on the offense being able to effectively run the ball and sustain drives.  When you can do that, this philosophy is a time proven way of winning games.  However, if you can't run the ball, the entire strategy collapses, which is what has happened the last two seasons.

There are other problems aside from not being able to run the ball of course. 

I guess one good thing we can take out of this is that we can be pretty confident that Tyler Thigpen is never going to turn out to be Tom Brady coming off the bench.

Who knows how the game might have gone had Huard not got knocked out, but it wasn't looking good the time he was in.  Jamaal Charles had a good 3 steps on his defender until he had to actually stop and try to come back for a pass that was probably a good 15 yards underthrown.  Then of course there was the interception which was again turned into points for the opposing team.

Reports from training camp repeatedly said that both Huard and Thigpen looked horrible, seemingly competing with one another to see who could throw the most interceptions and it seems like they've carried that competition into the regular season.

It's becoming evident that it really doesn't matter WHO the QB is back there, they are going to be "injury prone" behind our offensive line.

I maintain what I have always said.  There really is no sense in writhing in anguish over any of this.  The team has serious holes and is playing like a team with serious holes.  The problem is there is nothing we can do to fill those holes until next offseason.  There are no QB prospects to be had that could perform better.  No offensive linemen or linebackers that we could get at this point that would be an upgrade over who we have.  We're pretty much stuck until the offseason.

Same goes for the coaching situation.  I know there are plenty of people chomping at the bit to rip into Carl, Herm, Gun and Chan; and if the offense looks like this the rest of the season, we no doubt will be looking at major sweeps in the front office and coaching staff; but honestly there is nothing to be done about it until the offseason either.  We simply have to ride out this hurricane with no hope of evacuation or rescue coming until February.

Don't worry that if you don't sound disgruntled enough that Clark Hunt won't get the message.  He'll get it.  He'll have an inkling when he sees the empty seats at the stadium and no money coming in, but he'll understand it completely when the angry mob shows up outside the gates with torches and pitchforks because the game has been blacked out.  Something Chiefs fans haven't known for nearly 20 years.

Who knows.  Maybe by the 2nd half of the season, they'll get this ship turned around.  Maybe Croyle will stay healthy and finally get comfortable in the new system.  Maybe Herb Taylor or Barry Richardson will get shore up the offensive line and allow some running lanes to come through.  Maybe Gailey will get into a groove in his play calling and the Chiefs offense will finally start being able to help the defense out.  Or maybe they won't. 

Regardless, these are the cards we're dealt and we've no choice but to watch the game unfold.  Just make sure you have a good stress relieving activity set up for after the game...

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i think you nailed it

we have a lot to worry about on offense, but until we fix the o-line, the rest of it is irrelevant.

we ought to trade down if we can and draft the best o lineman with our first pick and if we want a QB, snag one out of FA or trade for him. we dont need anything spectacular, just a dude who can stay healthy and not totally suck.

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 15, 2008 10:05 AM CDT   0 recs

I wouldn't want the best o-lineman with our best pick

The only spot on the line that warrants a top 10, or hell even top 20 pick, is left tackle which Albert looks to be the guy there.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i tend to agree

so i figure we trade down. i mean, we could probably snag a lower 1st round pick and another 1st day pick for a number one overall spot that we wouldnt need.

i need to study up more on this year’s oline class too, so im not really sure. im just saying that if the conditions are right, we need to be looking at oline more than anything else in my humble opinion.

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 15, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If we trade down

with the massive drought of top level talent we have on roster, I will scream. Let’s trade our vets for depth, not sacrifice better talent for more B-level talent.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 15, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

my point is that i think we should get an olineman

if the olineman will be there anyways a little further down, then why not snag up that lineman and an extra pick or decent palyer?

i realize this wont happen, but i can dream

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 15, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not necessarily

The #1 overall pick is really devalued now. With the money that comes with it, teams aren’t really looking to get into the top 5.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would take the best lineman even if at LT in the draft

If the best player is another top end left takle then I would select him in a heartbeat. I would then move Albert, who has looked great so far, back to RG. This would give us great linemen on both sides of the line to build around and greatly speed up the progress of our offense.

I would then look for options at QB either in the second round or trade back up into the 1st round to get a QB. This has worked for a couple of teams now in the last couple of years. Right now I do not see ANY QB worth a top 5 pick next year and that is exactly where we will be picking again.

by tevans96 on Sep 15, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

EXACTLY

this QB draft class sucks

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 15, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why do that when you can just draft a great RG in the 3rd or 4th round?

You don’t want to take a $50,000 Persian Rug and use it to wipe your feet on.

There are appropriate skill levels for different positions. We wouldn’t have drafted Branden Albert in the 1st round to play Guard. He will be a great Left Tackle, mark my words.

We need to continue building talent at the skill positions on both offense and defense with the high picks and get good blue collar players in the middle rounds.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

I mentioned this in the other post but I want to say it again. We should really pursue free agent linemen. I’m not saying we overpay for 30 year old cap beasts, but we should go out and get whoever’s available for a high but quality price. I feel like we’re just going to dig a hole we can’t get out of. We draft linemen, some of them work out, some of them don’t. The linemen are taught by the bullfighters (ole!) we have now and build bad habits and attitudes on a losing team. Then they teach that to the next wave. I feel like getting some veteran leaders on the line, 27, 28ish would do us well.

Also, for as much as the top picks are being devalued, first round talent still makes up the majority of playmaking gamechangers. And we need some all-world talent at key positions.

I will say that I’d rather have the best quarterback in a bad QB class than 5th best QB in a loaded QB draft, because sometimes those guys get built up more than they should because of the class.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 15, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats a good plan but...

Its pretty rare that quality young offensive linemen make it to free agency without getting resigned by their teams. Usually the ones you find are the 30 somethings that cost way more than their declining performances are worth.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 6:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We know what we're getting with a lineman

A lineman doesn’t really regress very often. You know what you’re getting so I would be down with this – but definitely no 32 or 33 guard to replace Brian Waters.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 7:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Albert is fine as the LT

But I am basically saying that if we are drafting in the top 5 again next year. I know it is early but a lot of the draft information for next year has 2 of the top 5 players being Left Tackles. So if you are basically in a position to pick between a star left tackle or a QB prospect that is not even a top 5 talent then I would personally go for the Tackle and get the QB later in the round or at the top of the 2nd round.

By doing so you instantly make your line and thus your entire offense better. And you have a nice new rug to wipe your feet on :)

by tevans96 on Sep 16, 2008 2:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or

You could take a MLB. Or move down. There are plenty of options. But yeah, I see what you’re saying.

by primetime 07 on Sep 17, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Um...

Branden Albert never player RG so how could we move him “back to RG”? I could understand taking a top tier RT with a second round pick and letting Barry Richardson find his niche at RG.

How could you say Sam Bradford would not be worth a top 5 pick?

We still need a OL help, a QB, a WR, and a 4th/5th round CB.

by Dono on Sep 16, 2008 2:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In college he was a guard

I was thinking that I read he played on the right side but it may have been on the left. That is why so many scouts were not sure if he would make a good left tackle because he had been a guard.

But he has been an outstanding LT so far, I don’t have any problem with his play only the rest of the linemen on the team.

by tevans96 on Sep 16, 2008 2:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bradford

You mean besides the EPIC FAIL that has been OU quarterbacks in the pros?

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 16, 2008 7:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

super bowls tend to be won by quarterbacks who can

ACTUALLY WIN A GAME FOR YOU. And they tend to be rather rare. If that kind of QB is available (and I don’t trust anyone currently on staff to make that decision one way or the other) then by god they need to take him

by sm7600 on Sep 15, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

steve youngsucked balls in tampa

why?

no supporting cast.

now whoever our QB is whether its that bastard child pussy inaccurate whimp Croyle or the Almighty that is Tebow Most High only has an unmotivated RB, a quick RB who isn’t used, a good tide end, an inconsistent WR with potential for being great, and um…. well thats about it.

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 15, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I want a Franchise QB

I am tired of these, so-so QBs, old-fart used-to-be good guys. We need someone that is young, confident, and can be our future. There is not future in these guys.

by bamakcfan on Sep 15, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But I don't think we should draft one

I agree the QB pool in this year’s draft is pretty empty; so I say do the followaing:
1. Wait until Derek Andrerson has a good game (hopefully soon) and trade Huard and our 2nd or 3rd round pick to the browns for Brady Quinn(I know he hasn’t been spactactular, but he is a leader, has charisma, and will at least bring a little excitement)
2. Trade down on the undoubtedly high pick we will have next year and get a LB(We need it, they are always plentiful, and usually yeild good things in the first round) and a Tackle(RT most likely) with our first 2 picks, then WR(unless franklin develops), QB, G,C.

That does a few things for us. Gives us the QB we should have drafted in 07 that we can build around, gets us down in the draft to not pay the high prices we won’t be able to afford for a top 5 pick; we really don’t have a top 5 kind of need( there are many glaring holes don’t get me wrong, but there isn’t a player there in the top 5 that I think would the worth the money for KC verses moving down). The only monkey wrench in all of this would be in LJ demands a trade.

by bamakcfan on Sep 15, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yet another problem

is that it takes years to develop a “franchise QB”. It is a rare thing for a rookie to come out and be successful. They need at least one to two years under a competent starter and with a competent QB coach.

I’d like us to look at all the holes and draft by #1 quality of player, and #2 team need. MLB, RT, RT, QB, OLB, WR. Great players are in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. We must continue with the youth movement but be VERY AGRESSIVE in the Free Agency next year with trades out and in, then build depth through the draft.

by TXChiefan on Sep 15, 2008 2:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would rather

Give up the #1 overall than our 2nd and 3rd picks. Not that it would ever happen though.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're dreaming

1. Derek Anderson had 2 or 3 good games last year. The rest were extremely mediocre and he has been pretty bad so far this season, and that IS with a great supporting cast around him. Brady Quinn will be the Browns starting QB by midseason and off the market.

You are NEVER going to get a draft pick for Huard. He’s 35 years old and has never been very good. Nobody in their right mind is going to trade for that.

2. Trading down from the top 5 is much easier said than done. Nobody wants to pay that price unless there is a franchise QB up there and there hasn’t been a real one of those for years.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 5:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All great points

Although, Quinn may not see the field this year if the Browns can sniff the playoff hunt.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't look like thats going to happen.

Browns are 0-2 so far and haven’t really been all that competitive.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 5:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We have to dream, when reality sucks

What other options do we have at QB? (now I may be focusing on this position, but I am definately not downplaying our glaring need on the right side of the O-Line) But, even last year everyone was saying that this year the QB draft class would be slim at best, so there really isn’t one worth drafting too high, the FA QB market is slim (Losman, Cassel, and some old guys), so with both markets empty this offseason, the league is going to be tight with their QBs. You won’t see as many teams allowing their pet projects falling to the practice squad. So, who else is out there? Say we do a blockbuster trade. What do we have to trade? Our first round pick, LJ, and Tony. So, which NFL QB is a team willing to part with a quality QB for a most likely top5 pick or either of these two? Well not many again because the QB pool is so empty. A team would only trade their starting QB if they had one in mind to draft. So we sit here, needing an O-Line, but the right side, which can be drafted later in rounds 2-4. We need some Linebacker support, which we can get in the later 1st round. And, we are most likely going to have a high first round pick. What do we do? That’s why I mentioned Quinn. He’s sat for going on 2 years, he’s had time to get used to the NFL game, he’s second behind a guy that brought his team to 10-6(the best record for the Browns since their resurrection), not that I think that Anderson is that good, but I just don’t think the Browns realize that quite yet. And, with Baltimore and Cincy coming up they might not for a while. So, that why I say bring Quinn here (and again I agree, the Browns might not be willing to part with him) don’t play him immediately, maybe by the end of the season if our O-Line gets better. Then trade that high first round pick(there is going to be someone out there looking for a LT or WR (crabtree)) for a lower first, draft a LB in the 1st round, and use or remaining picks to bolster our o-line on the right side and WR corp.

Granted this is all conjecture. Maybe just to help get through another week. Who knows, maybe Brodie will come back and blow us all away. Maybe our RT position will get filled by one of our backups. Maybe the D-Line and LBs will stop the run finally. But, right now with little excitement we have to turn to ideas and scheme’s to make our team better just to pass the time until it does.

PS – Who said someone would give us a draft pick for Huard?

by bamakcfan on Sep 16, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The sad truth is...

though the D gave up the 300 yards on the ground, the Raiders really only needed 3 fieldgoals to beat us.

The offense was awful!

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 15, 2008 10:15 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree

If our offense could have put up a few points it would have forced them to throw the ball ( which so far we seem to be able to control) and they are awful through the air. But, because of our inability to score it allows other teams to just run and run on us. They don’t have to pass to win, because we never get them in a position to have to.

by bamakcfan on Sep 15, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

KICKING PROBLEM

we have a major kicker problem too again!(NO IM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU COLQUITT, ALLPRO), its not FG’s im worried about, its place kicking

Novak linedrive kicks, no hangtime and no power, the wind was pretty strong yesterday and i dont think he got it past the 5-10 yard line (seems like our kick coverage unit is wayyy too many yards away from the returner when he catches it)

by DuctTapeMessiah on Sep 15, 2008 10:23 AM CDT   0 recs

Maybe we do have a kicking problem...

but if that is what you took away from yesterday’s game, then I am jealous of your optimism.

by smg49 on Sep 15, 2008 10:34 AM CDT   1 recs

That is the lamest apology

for Herm Edwards ineptitude I have ever heard. Loss number eleven……. all time franchise record………. no offense…………….. enough said.

by G.L. on Sep 15, 2008 10:37 AM CDT   0 recs

Awful showing-just a sad day at Arrowhead

That was simply a painful, sad and uninspiring day at Arrowhead.

This boils down to a couple of things…………

Bad fundamental football (throwing, catching, running, blocking, tackling)

Bad fundamental coaching (bad game plan, poor play calling, bad defensive schemes, lack of creating a “team” psyche, poor player selection-)

Larry Johnson clearly blew blocks yesterday-and it’s apparent from watching the replay late last night that he either (a) has no desire to block or (b) doesn’t know how to block.

Either instance-it’s embarrassing that he would call out the Chiefs……….not for the pathetic performance, but for “NOT GETTING HIM THE BALL”……(what a chump-trade him for a yo-yo to the Rams).

I don’t blame Larry altogether for being upset, but you must put the team first-and saying “the team comes first” is a crybaby’s way of saying that it doesn’t.

Shame on Herm for putting up with it and for this pathetic display of football coaching.

I’ve been a season ticket holder for a while, and they “begged” me to come back this year-and I’m starting to disappoint myself for caving and by supporting the product that costs us fans alot of money (and isn’t fun entertainment as it should be).

For me…….it was just a sad day at Arrowhead, as I believe we need to find better coaching/mgmt and direction in this organization.

A rebuilding year is supposed to be painful-but it’s not supposed to be uninspirational.

by Chiefs Fan (Herm's conscience) on Sep 15, 2008 1:46 PM CDT   0 recs

Season Ticket Hell

I complete agree; and I too was begged to return as a season ticket holder. I found myself halfway through the game just begging for us to throw to D-Bowe on every down. At least that would have made it watchable and may have instilled a little hope. Now, its about how fast can we fire Carl/Herm and trade for one of the many available QBs (Brady Quinn being my favorite choice).

by Steve.Green on Sep 15, 2008 2:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Many available QBs??

What fanatasy world are you living in?

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 5:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Easy DJ

things are tough and people have to vent. It’s not just hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel, the tunnel has a giant pile of crap in the middle of it and the rats are gnawing our eyes out.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 15, 2008 6:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right

I just get annoyed by people that say “We should do this or that” and have no real idea if this or that is even a possibility.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 6:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We're making big assumptions here

Next season Quinn will be entering his 3rd season in the NFL with 3 years remaining on his contract.

Even Anderson signed a 3 year deal prior to this season that will pay him an average of $8 million per year.

I would love to have Brady Quinn but let’s not start pulling trades like this outta our ass.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 5:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Two words: Daunte Culpepper

Let’s face it…. we need a passer and we need someone right now to put a stop loss on this hemorrhaging offense.

by Phatcat73 on Sep 15, 2008 2:35 PM CDT   0 recs

Retired

And he said he has no interest in coming back to play for a team starting in midseason…he wants to be the QB starting from the offseason. Can’t imagine he’s going to change that so he can get pummeled playing for a horrible offense like the Chiefs’.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 15, 2008 2:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

SB

Man… what’s Steve DeBerg doing now? LOL

by Phatcat73 on Sep 15, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Two other words: Injured Reserve.

As in, that’s where Daunte ‘I can barely drop back to pass my knees are so bad’ Culpepper would be after about four plays behind this line.

Two other words: Andre Woodson. He’s a helluva lot better than Ingles Martin or whoever the scrub is that was cut as a WR before the Chiefs plugged him in at QB, he’s got the potential to be the ‘QB of the Future’ that Herm and Carl keep looking for, and he was projected to be among the top 5 at his position going into the draft last April (before falling to the 11th QB to be taken).

The Chiefs need to make a deal to get him from the Giants, and it shouldn’t take much because he’s sitting on their practice squad right now.

by JacinB on Sep 15, 2008 3:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Projected vs reality

To me, I don’t look at him and think value, I look at him and think what made him drop to the 11th QB taken.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The same places projected Glenn Dorsey as the top DT, and had Brandon Albert in the Top 5 Offensive Linemen. I’d say, projected vs. reality, they didn’t miss on either of those …

I’d be willing to give Woodson a shot over “what’s-his-name?” and “who’s-that?”.

by JacinB on Sep 15, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

And Dorsey was the top DT and Albert was a top 5 lineman.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats a big leap

To compare Dorsey dropping 5 spots to Woodson dropping from a 1st or 2nd rounder to the last pick in the 6th round.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He didn't even say Dorsey dropped

He said Dorsey was the top DT…which he was.

Woodson dropped because of an awkward throwing motion which is pretty key for someone who throws a ball for a living.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 5:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So are we really all in agreement

that we should just go with Huard until Brodie comes back and then back to Huard if Brodie doesn’t play well?

Because if that’s the case I’m really going to need something stronger than whiskey to get through this season.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 15, 2008 6:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Make mine a double

After Thigpens performance, I was begging for Huard.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 6:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Supposedly, Woodson’s got a ‘big wind-up’ and a ‘slow release’.

He also went into his senior year as a Heisman favorite, was considered to be a top QB throughout the season, through 40 touchdowns, was projected as a top 5 QB going into the Draft, was predicted to go in the 2nd round, and is now sitting on a practice squad where we can take him and not have to compensate anyone for it.

Big wind-up and slow release or not, that has to be a better third option than Martin and Hagans.

by JacinB on Sep 16, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

Unfortunately I don’t think Peterson shares our feelings on it.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 16, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Practice Squad

The Chiefs can actually sign Woodson from the Giants’ practice squad without giving compensation if they wanted him.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 15, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Someone needs to do it in Madden, have it project the season, and then send that to Herm and Carl.

I’m only half joking — that’d be just as good as any QB scouting that picks Tyler Thigpen, Ingle Martin, Marques Hagans and Richard Bartel as prospects.

by JacinB on Sep 15, 2008 4:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Daunte Culpepper road the coattails of Randy Moss

The only time he was a good player was when he had Moss catching any lob he threw up and he’s sucked ever since. You’re fooling yourself.

And what good does having “a passer” do if he doesn’t have time to pass? You seem to think the reason we aren’t throwing is because we don’t want to. Thats not true. We aren’t throwing because we CAN’T because the offensive line can’t block.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 5:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep

Even if it wasn’t because of Randy Moss, the guy still hasn’t played more than 8 games in a season since 2004.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 6:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I've always believed in the Herm concept

but after yesterday, I will admit I have been wrong. I haven’t heard him once admit that he as the coach has made mistakes. Yes, the players have to play the game, but the coach prepares them and plans for the scheme they will run. Herm Edwards always says “we”, and “the players”, but never “me”, or “I”, when it comes to responsibility for the problems.

I also believe that he is completely dominating the coaching philosophy negatively. Gun doesn’t seem to be running HIS defense, and I always thought Chan had a much greater mind than that.

Finally, how many QBs on IR will it take for someone to realize the right side of the line must be completely replaced? PLEASE, do as you have said many times Herm, put the best players on the field! I almost screamed when I saw the Inactive Roster, knowing that we had no depth. I told my Raider’s fan co-worker that I saw trouble just as soon as I saw that roster.

by TXChiefan on Sep 15, 2008 2:48 PM CDT   0 recs

I haven't given up.

Maybe I’m an optimist. Maybe I’m just blind. But, I’m not giving up hope, yet.

Yes, there was a whole lot of bad out there on the field yesterday.

But, we’ve also seen a few glimmers of spectacular. That’s what you’ve got when you’ve got a young team: games when everything will work and you’ll look brilliant, and games where nothing will go right and you’ll look like you don’t even belong in the League.

And, it’s been that way since the opening drive of the pre-season. We looked brilliant against the Bears, and horrible against Miami. We earned some respect staring down the Patriots, and then had our asses handed to us by the Raiders.

But, even so, we’ve known all along that this team’s success isn’t going to be measured by whether or not we make the playoffs. Not this year. And, it’s not going to be measured by how many games we win or lose.

It’s going to be measured by whether we get it pulled together into something that looks cohesive and works together well by the end of the year. It’s going to be measured by whether we are better in October than we were in September, and if we’re better in November than we were in October.

I may be singing a different tune if we still look like this come December, but I’m not done hoping, yet, that we’ll continue to improve.

by JacinB on Sep 15, 2008 3:08 PM CDT   1 recs

Dude it's the second game

Dude it’s the second game.

Kansas City isn’t used losing like this. It was like getting punched in the nose; you wince.

But you get over it. I feel bad for Tony Gonzalez

by AngryJesus on Sep 15, 2008 4:01 PM CDT   0 recs

I was going to make a post demanding Dennis Dixon, but you’re right. It doesn’t matter who the heck we have at QB with this line.

by Dan Holmes on Sep 15, 2008 6:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Dennis Dixon would be a luxury

I like how they could use him in Pittsburgh but he is another big, big gamble at quarterback. I’m tired of gambling – It’s an important position so we must devote the best to it.

by primetime 07 on Sep 15, 2008 7:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Out of curiosity

What do you think the right move to make at QB is? This is something I’ve struggled with.

  • If we take a QB with a high draft pick, thats another position that we aren’t filling a need at and the chances of the QB turning into a bust is enormous. JaMarcus Russells performance reminded me of that. Im not saying he’s a bust already, but he certainly didn’t show anything yesterday that made you think he was worth the ridiculous salary they’re paying him.
  • If we go for a more veteran QB, who do we take? The landscape is littered with former 1st round busts and thats about it. I don’t really see any Steve DeBergs out there, much less a younger free agent QB that has a lot of potential just laying around. The changing face of college football has made the NFL a QB wasteland.

by ChiefDJ on Sep 15, 2008 7:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No clue man

They both have huge drawbacks that we haven’t been very successful at in the past.

On an unrelated note, T.O. just caught like an 70 yard TD pass and once he got to the goal line he leaned forward like he was in a race – Usain Bolt style.

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