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Chiefs Demoralized by the Raiders

Arrowhead_pride_tiny by Chris on in 2008 Campaign

Box score is here.

All I was looking for was offensive improvement today and I got none of it. The Tyler Thigpen experiment is hopefully over after today's game. The run defense is still just as questionable as it was last season.

The Raiders ran all over the Chiefs today and it wasn't pretty. This is the post game thread so jump over here from the game thread.

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When you put it like that...

/excited that it’s the 15-year-old Emo girls’ version of a serious subject.
//ROTFLMAO LOL!!!
///But seriously, I hate the Chiefs today.

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 8:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

MORAN

Meant to add this image.

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 9:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what the hell is there to say?

in three short years, Herm’s managed to guarantee that this team won’t see the playoffs for another 5…..at least

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:27 PM CDT   0 recs

Granted

you guys just got a whole lot of pieces from the draft that still need some seasoning

I think it’ll get better for you guys. If you can edwards though, push back this development at least two years

The Raider Nation is the only Nation.

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

who the hell knows if they can play?

just because they were drafted high means nothing here

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They drafted a QB

High, they have no idea what they have.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course there are some hits and some misses in the draft

But I have confidence at least half will pan through to be serviceable. It’s all growing pains for us too.

The Raider Nation is the only Nation.

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same over here

The Raider Nation is the only Nation.

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 14, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No way

It’s the second game of the season.

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris on Sep 14, 2008 3:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

0-16?

What about 0-7? Then it’s 0-for-the-last-16-games…

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

There are two superbowl coaches out there. Bill Cowher who I would love. He started here and this is the type of team he could build with. Also Brian Billick might be a good fit for KC. Both of them bring a hard nosed winning style of football. That is what KC used to be and that is what it needs to be.

by cmpotter on Sep 14, 2008 11:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Apart from making the raiders look good

The big problem was last week’s game. Herm probably came out of that saying “well we held them to within a score, almost took them to overtime, all we have to do is more of the same”.

Whereas it would have been better for the Chiefs to have been blown away 50-0 last week and we might have turned up this week.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Sep 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT   0 recs

Rough rough game today

More so than ever, the Chiefs need to make a major move for a #1 QB.

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by Chris on Sep 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT   0 recs

What exactly

are your gripes with what Herm did this game?

I will blame him for keeping Thigpen in and for actually thinking Thigpen could play in the NFL. But what else warrants him leaving as head coach?

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by Chris on Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LJ

no comment

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Sep 14, 2008 3:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's definitely more on the O line than anything else.

All the holes were plugged full of Raiders ready to sack thigpin

The Raider Nation is the only Nation.

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

a bloated and unjustified reputation

as an “evaluator of talent”

no strategic concept of offense.

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can see that

Definitely.

I was being more specific to this game today.

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by Chris on Sep 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, I can understand your question

but if you fill a box with crap, it doesn’t matter what you wrap it with.

These are problems that go down to the foundation. Its not situational

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wait a second...

are you calling Sarah Palin a box of crap?

by Ochophosphate on Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

only when I'm being complementary

otherwise, she gets the full “herm” treatment too

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Palin and MC

Hey, our “foundation” is fundamentally sound!
 Okay, no more politics.

by primetime 07 on Sep 14, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Chris this team

Was ill prepared, did they even gameplan? It is his job to prepare this team, our high school team could have put on a better showing.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right to a certain degree

I’m not blind to Herm’s limitations. I think that football is a game to be evaluated in seasons, not just week to week.

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by Chris on Sep 14, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right

You are so right.

If they play better next week, would you feel better? I’m trying not to be so dramatic in my opinions from week to week.

Or let my anger build up slowly. One of those two and I haven’t decided which it is just yet.

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris on Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would like to see

improvement, not going backwards. I will admit I never have liked the Hrm hiring, and I never will.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This was going backwards

No excuses for today’s loss. It took me a while to come around to not believing in Croyle and this is another notch against Herm in my mind.

Arrowhead Pride

by Chris on Sep 14, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The opening drive

Of the pre-season, I thought we might have something, where in the hell did that go? Herm must have decided we scored too easy, told Chan to tone it down.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When we push the ball

we look pretty good, even with thigpen, like at the end of today’s game. If we would start games aggressively, maybe we could play from ahead and actually succeed? at hermball.

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, Herm's going to start that

Herm has yet to find an offense that he trusts. Or knows.

Which is a shame, because you only WIN THE GAME by SCORING MORE POINTS THAN THE OTHER GUY

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's be realistic

Our starting QB went down.

We played our 3rd QB. Let’s not act like this was our 100% Chiefs team.

by primetime 07 on Sep 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If we wanted to win, Huard would have played more.

Herm played this as if it were a preseason game.

Not acceptable! Herm forgot why we play the game.

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 14, 2008 4:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed...

This was exactly like watching a preseason game. I would have given Huard the nod just to build confidence with the team and give the fans a much needed rivalry game win. The Raiders have done this twice already!

by Ilamuku on Sep 14, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

who will end up in a body bag

given the oversized spastics who play on the Chiefs O line.

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Quick Inference

After watching that nightmare, I will assume the following.

1. We did not watch any of the tape from the Denver Oakland game, therefore not gaining any knowledge about how to defeat Oakland.

2. We have only ONE run play – it’s called up the gut for 1 yard. We took the playbook and ripped out + burnt all of the tosses, fake toss/counters, and anything other than “up the gut” after the Chigago preseason game when we realized they might actually work. Someone please check the Arrowhead fireplaces for evidence of said burning.

3. Thigpen is not the answer – and he never will be. Sorry Thiggy, I saw this coming after your stellar preseason. Ingle Martin, you’re up to bat, please step up to the plate!!

4. MacIntosh is still terrible at RT.

5. I should go ahead and cancel my NFL Sunday Ticket – I can’t believe I’m paying to watch this crap.

by Ochophosphate on Sep 14, 2008 3:39 PM CDT   0 recs

What about

Marques Hagans? He was 1/1 for 5

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing

Sunday Ticket + Superfan just to watch the chiefs + HD DVR cuz im usually on duty…. fuck!

by Dustin SLO,CA on Sep 14, 2008 5:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There were some good things

though they were hard to find

I though a few defensive players had moments: pat thomas, bernard pollard, and carr did okay considering they were throwing his way all afternoon.

albert played well for most of the game, only let a couple of linemen through.

at least we know about thigpen.

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT   0 recs

"moments" are not enough

pro football doesn’t reward occaisional good plays.

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i like football too much

to only focus on the negatives. We won’t be in the playoffs this year, but these players are young and will still be playing football for the next few years.

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yea we have

young players, but we need a competent coach to bring them along.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In Canada or the arena league.

I’m sorry, but this team has no future for the next 5 years

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not under Herm!

He is proving it all by himself.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

there's nothing positive here?

this was probably the hardest game to watch, ever, but still. . .you don’t think any of these young guys played well?

i’m not necessarily defending herm, but some of our players worked hard out there today and i think we have a few (not many) future stars.

am i way off base?

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yes.

pretty much

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

good to know

why do you watch the games?

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love my team.

Herm is a bad coach period.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

at this point its purely academic

to see if they really ARE that bad, Tampa Bay in 1977 bad.

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think with

Bringing these kids along with the mindset of keeping it close we will win it in the fourth quarter takes away the killer instinct.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Eleven in a row is pretty bad

We lost to a terrible raiders team in Arrowhead. Marty would not have allowed this. That is all.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 14, 2008 3:41 PM CDT   0 recs

BRING MARTY BACK!

And Al Saunders, while you’re at it.

I feel so horrible that I made sir_eccles marry into this train wreck. This was worse than The Playoff Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned. And I never thought it could be that bad again.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 3:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And the commentators

on the game said Marty chose Oak over KC

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We did not play to win!

I have been watching the Chiefs since 1996, and if I see a game plan next week, like I did this week, I’m done.

There was no efffort to win.

The players played, but the coaches failed. I will give them next week, and I will look at Tuesday’s stats, but what a waste.

Thigpin for that long? Who was that other guy? A receiver?

I have supported Herm, but one more like this, and I’m done with him.

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 14, 2008 3:41 PM CDT   0 recs

Rebuilding doesn not = apathy

I can stand losing with effort.

This was not that.

by NJChiefsFan on Sep 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT   0 recs

Let's see...

Special Teams… Should be gutted entirely. (Sole exception of Colquitt)

Thigpen… CUT, waivers, NOW

MacIntosh… Sit him, he’s a backup

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 14, 2008 3:47 PM CDT   0 recs

Word

I don’t know about the first, but you’re absolutely right about Thigy & Mac

by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 15, 2008 2:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bring Back Marty

Even with Marty’s rep for choking in playoff games, he’s still the type of coach KC needs. Herm isn’t terrible, but he’d do WAY better as either A, a D coordinator or at a team like Chicago or Minn. Herm is a defensive smashmouth running football coach. There’s an old saying “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” Our West coast Offense worked great and it opened up the running game for LJ/Holmes. I mean 4-5 years ago we were the #1 offense in the league, but our Defense SUCKED! Defense is better but as a HUGE cost to our offense. I wish they would have let Croyle play all of last season instead of this ping ponging QB’s (like they did today) I guess I’m done venting.

by Jeremie76 on Sep 14, 2008 3:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Maybe it's the beer talking

Or, more specifically, maybe it’s the Boggs talking...

But I was at the game and I’ve never felt more hopeless after the game.

It has to be the worst feeling.

Think about this….if we can’t beat the Raiders, at home, on opening day….what do we do??

by primetime 07 on Sep 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT   0 recs

well, that sort of is the point

0-16 is no longer theoretical

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sell out games...

…and have a blackout the next couple of home games.

Then maybe the front office will wake up and do something.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

problem is, there's nothing to do for this year

Its not like they can call down to the minors and get help

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True

But perhaps we could stop the hemorraging before it gets worse over the next couple of seasons.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably won't black out

TV stations know the advertising implications of that.

by primetime 07 on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I suppose.

Hey, since you were there…was it really as empty as my little brother (who was also there) said it was? He was freaking out, especially since it was opening day.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not totally empty

My last game, the Broncos home game last year, emptied at half. This wasn’t as bad.

by primetime 07 on Sep 14, 2008 4:02 PM CDT