Chiefs Demoralized by the Raiders
Box score is here.
All I was looking for was offensive improvement today and I got none of it. The Tyler Thigpen experiment is hopefully over after today's game. The run defense is still just as questionable as it was last season.
The Raiders ran all over the Chiefs today and it wasn't pretty. This is the post game thread so jump over here from the game thread.
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Herm setting the franchise record
11 in a row!
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on
Sep 14, 2008 3:26 PM CDT
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When you put it like that...

/excited that it’s the 15-year-old Emo girls’ version of a serious subject.
//ROTFLMAO LOL!!!
///But seriously, I hate the Chiefs today.
-cw
by webby37 on
Sep 14, 2008 8:41 PM CDT
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what the hell is there to say?
in three short years, Herm’s managed to guarantee that this team won’t see the playoffs for another 5…..at least
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:27 PM CDT
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Granted
you guys just got a whole lot of pieces from the draft that still need some seasoning
I think it’ll get better for you guys. If you can edwards though, push back this development at least two years
The Raider Nation is the only Nation.
by oaklandSMASH on
Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT
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who the hell knows if they can play?
just because they were drafted high means nothing here
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:35 PM CDT
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They drafted a QB
High, they have no idea what they have.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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Of course there are some hits and some misses in the draft
But I have confidence at least half will pan through to be serviceable. It’s all growing pains for us too.
The Raider Nation is the only Nation.
by oaklandSMASH on
Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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we have far more misses than hits
its how we got here
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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Same over here
The Raider Nation is the only Nation.
by oaklandSMASH on
Sep 14, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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No way
It’s the second game of the season.
by Chris on
Sep 14, 2008 3:30 PM CDT
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Agreed
There are two superbowl coaches out there. Bill Cowher who I would love. He started here and this is the type of team he could build with. Also Brian Billick might be a good fit for KC. Both of them bring a hard nosed winning style of football. That is what KC used to be and that is what it needs to be.
by cmpotter on
Sep 14, 2008 11:26 PM CDT
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Apart from making the raiders look good
The big problem was last week’s game. Herm probably came out of that saying “well we held them to within a score, almost took them to overtime, all we have to do is more of the same”.
Whereas it would have been better for the Chiefs to have been blown away 50-0 last week and we might have turned up this week.
Blame my wife!
by sir eccles on
Sep 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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Rough rough game today
More so than ever, the Chiefs need to make a major move for a #1 QB.
by Chris on
Sep 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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What exactly
are your gripes with what Herm did this game?
I will blame him for keeping Thigpen in and for actually thinking Thigpen could play in the NFL. But what else warrants him leaving as head coach?
by Chris on
Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT
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It's definitely more on the O line than anything else.
All the holes were plugged full of Raiders ready to sack thigpin
The Raider Nation is the only Nation.
by oaklandSMASH on
Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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a bloated and unjustified reputation
as an “evaluator of talent”
no strategic concept of offense.
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:32 PM CDT
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OK, I can understand your question
but if you fill a box with crap, it doesn’t matter what you wrap it with.
These are problems that go down to the foundation. Its not situational
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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wait a second...
are you calling Sarah Palin a box of crap?
by Ochophosphate on
Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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only when I'm being complementary
otherwise, she gets the full “herm” treatment too
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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Palin and MC
Hey, our “foundation” is fundamentally sound!
Okay, no more politics.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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Chris this team
Was ill prepared, did they even gameplan? It is his job to prepare this team, our high school team could have put on a better showing.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT
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You're right to a certain degree
I’m not blind to Herm’s limitations. I think that football is a game to be evaluated in seasons, not just week to week.
by Chris on
Sep 14, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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They are going backwards Chris.
TG did not even look good.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:35 PM CDT
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You're right
You are so right.
If they play better next week, would you feel better? I’m trying not to be so dramatic in my opinions from week to week.
Or let my anger build up slowly. One of those two and I haven’t decided which it is just yet.
by Chris on
Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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I would like to see
improvement, not going backwards. I will admit I never have liked the Hrm hiring, and I never will.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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This was going backwards
No excuses for today’s loss. It took me a while to come around to not believing in Croyle and this is another notch against Herm in my mind.
by Chris on
Sep 14, 2008 3:43 PM CDT
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The opening drive
Of the pre-season, I thought we might have something, where in the hell did that go? Herm must have decided we scored too easy, told Chan to tone it down.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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When we push the ball
we look pretty good, even with thigpen, like at the end of today’s game. If we would start games aggressively, maybe we could play from ahead and actually succeed? at hermball.
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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yeah, Herm's going to start that
Herm has yet to find an offense that he trusts. Or knows.
Which is a shame, because you only WIN THE GAME by SCORING MORE POINTS THAN THE OTHER GUY
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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Let's be realistic
Our starting QB went down.
We played our 3rd QB. Let’s not act like this was our 100% Chiefs team.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT
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If we wanted to win, Huard would have played more.
Herm played this as if it were a preseason game.
Not acceptable! Herm forgot why we play the game.
by NJChiefsFan on
Sep 14, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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who will end up in a body bag
given the oversized spastics who play on the Chiefs O line.
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT
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Quick Inference
After watching that nightmare, I will assume the following.
1. We did not watch any of the tape from the Denver Oakland game, therefore not gaining any knowledge about how to defeat Oakland.
2. We have only ONE run play – it’s called up the gut for 1 yard. We took the playbook and ripped out + burnt all of the tosses, fake toss/counters, and anything other than “up the gut” after the Chigago preseason game when we realized they might actually work. Someone please check the Arrowhead fireplaces for evidence of said burning.
3. Thigpen is not the answer – and he never will be. Sorry Thiggy, I saw this coming after your stellar preseason. Ingle Martin, you’re up to bat, please step up to the plate!!
4. MacIntosh is still terrible at RT.
5. I should go ahead and cancel my NFL Sunday Ticket – I can’t believe I’m paying to watch this crap.
by Ochophosphate on
Sep 14, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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What about
Marques Hagans? He was 1/1 for 5
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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I was thinking the same thing
Sunday Ticket + Superfan just to watch the chiefs + HD DVR cuz im usually on duty…. fuck!
by Dustin SLO,CA on
Sep 14, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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There were some good things
though they were hard to find
I though a few defensive players had moments: pat thomas, bernard pollard, and carr did okay considering they were throwing his way all afternoon.
albert played well for most of the game, only let a couple of linemen through.
at least we know about thigpen.
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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"moments" are not enough
pro football doesn’t reward occaisional good plays.
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT
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i like football too much
to only focus on the negatives. We won’t be in the playoffs this year, but these players are young and will still be playing football for the next few years.
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 3:48 PM CDT
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Yea we have
young players, but we need a competent coach to bring them along.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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In Canada or the arena league.
I’m sorry, but this team has no future for the next 5 years
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:50 PM CDT
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Not under Herm!
He is proving it all by himself.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:51 PM CDT
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there's nothing positive here?
this was probably the hardest game to watch, ever, but still. . .you don’t think any of these young guys played well?
i’m not necessarily defending herm, but some of our players worked hard out there today and i think we have a few (not many) future stars.
am i way off base?
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 3:54 PM CDT
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good to know
why do you watch the games?
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT
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I love my team.
Herm is a bad coach period.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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at this point its purely academic
to see if they really ARE that bad, Tampa Bay in 1977 bad.
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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I think with
Bringing these kids along with the mindset of keeping it close we will win it in the fourth quarter takes away the killer instinct.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT
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Eleven in a row is pretty bad
We lost to a terrible raiders team in Arrowhead. Marty would not have allowed this. That is all.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on
Sep 14, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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BRING MARTY BACK!
And Al Saunders, while you’re at it.
I feel so horrible that I made sir_eccles marry into this train wreck. This was worse than The Playoff Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned. And I never thought it could be that bad again.
by gritsnyc on
Sep 14, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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And the commentators
on the game said Marty chose Oak over KC
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!
by mikesd1981 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM CDT
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We did not play to win!
I have been watching the Chiefs since 1996, and if I see a game plan next week, like I did this week, I’m done.
There was no efffort to win.
The players played, but the coaches failed. I will give them next week, and I will look at Tuesday’s stats, but what a waste.
Thigpin for that long? Who was that other guy? A receiver?
I have supported Herm, but one more like this, and I’m done with him.
by NJChiefsFan on
Sep 14, 2008 3:41 PM CDT
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Rebuilding doesn not = apathy
I can stand losing with effort.
This was not that.
by NJChiefsFan on
Sep 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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I have not written anything since just before the draft, but
I am coming back this week…hard. I am too angry to write coherently at the moment.
by DThomasReigns on
Sep 14, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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Wondering where you are
Mad or happy, you deserve to be heard. Welcome back!
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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Let's see...
Special Teams… Should be gutted entirely. (Sole exception of Colquitt)
Thigpen… CUT, waivers, NOW
MacIntosh… Sit him, he’s a backup
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on
Sep 14, 2008 3:47 PM CDT
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Word
I don’t know about the first, but you’re absolutely right about Thigy & Mac
by KansasCityShuffle on
Sep 15, 2008 2:56 AM CDT
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Bring Back Marty
Even with Marty’s rep for choking in playoff games, he’s still the type of coach KC needs. Herm isn’t terrible, but he’d do WAY better as either A, a D coordinator or at a team like Chicago or Minn. Herm is a defensive smashmouth running football coach. There’s an old saying “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” Our West coast Offense worked great and it opened up the running game for LJ/Holmes. I mean 4-5 years ago we were the #1 offense in the league, but our Defense SUCKED! Defense is better but as a HUGE cost to our offense. I wish they would have let Croyle play all of last season instead of this ping ponging QB’s (like they did today) I guess I’m done venting.
by Jeremie76 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:54 PM CDT
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Easier said than done
Regarding bringing back Marty, I meant.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 15, 2008 4:46 PM CDT
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Maybe it's the beer talking
Or, more specifically, maybe it’s the Boggs talking...
But I was at the game and I’ve never felt more hopeless after the game.
It has to be the worst feeling.
Think about this….if we can’t beat the Raiders, at home, on opening day….what do we do??
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT
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well, that sort of is the point
0-16 is no longer theoretical
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT
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Not sell out games...
…and have a blackout the next couple of home games.
Then maybe the front office will wake up and do something.
by gritsnyc on
Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT
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problem is, there's nothing to do for this year
Its not like they can call down to the minors and get help
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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Probably won't black out
TV stations know the advertising implications of that.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT
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I suppose.
Hey, since you were there…was it really as empty as my little brother (who was also there) said it was? He was freaking out, especially since it was opening day.
by gritsnyc on
Sep 14, 2008 4:00 PM CDT
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Not totally empty
My last game, the Broncos home game last year, emptied at half. This wasn’t as bad.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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Don't call for Herm's head
Yet.
We committed to the rebuilding plan. We gotta give him this year. I’m as pissed as anyone else but let’s not one game control our feelings.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 3:58 PM CDT
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This year
Last year we realized the problem.
Firing a head coach in the middle of the season would be 10X more disastrous than the last game.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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in what way?
we both agree that nothing good is coming out of this year is that it will end in the first week of January.
I don’t think Herm knows nearly as much as he thinks he does with talent evaluation.
Why not accelerate the process?
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:03 PM CDT
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Primetime...
I’m not saying to fire Herm NOW… But geeze.. Enoughs enough. Thats it. We need people in this organization who know how to win. I say we bring back Marty Schottenheimer. Or hey heres an idea… Bill Cowher.
by ROC 27 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:05 PM CDT
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Fire him now!
We can take an 0-16 season, as long as we get the number 1 pick, and Bill Cowher! We would not see anymore of the bullshit we seen on the field today.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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If we could bring back
One of 2 future Hall of Fame coaches I would be down for it.
But let’s be realistic. It sounds good in theory but come on guys.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:09 PM CDT
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Cowher has said
KC would be one of the teams he would like to coach for, does not seem that unrealistic to me.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:11 PM CDT
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He said that?
Do you have a link? I looked around and couldn’t find anything.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 15, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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I know! I know!
It was kind of a joke… I would LOVE Bill Cowher!! And I MISS Marty! But looking at the decisions and moves that our organization has decided to make, shows me that we’re gonna ride this shitty wave the whole season and who knows maybe next.
by ROC 27 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:12 PM CDT
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If I had the time...
I would check to see what you said after our draft.
Don’t let this game change your attitude about the Chiefs.
Last week we were complimenting the draft and excited.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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Yea I said 10-6
Damn I am a dumbass!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:16 PM CDT
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Do you understand the turnover we had?
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not happy with Herm, but let’s be realistic here. We ignored the draft for 5 years let’s not blame someone else for that.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:11 PM CDT
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F Carl!
I’m so tired of this… Well. he’s own his way out though.
by ROC 27 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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He's got one more year after this
I think.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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unless of course "Clark wants him back"
there’s always that nightmare
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:16 PM CDT
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yeah, and the same losers who drop kicked the last 5 drafts
before Vermiel left are still calling a lot of the shots, or are making the evaluations. Their track record (Bill Kuharich, Chuck Cook, etc.) remains unsullied and uninterrupted failure
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:16 PM CDT
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We need some VETS and I dont mean Joe Horn. I mean, players who have proven themselves ABLE to play in the NFL.
by ROC 27 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:19 PM CDT
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there's nobody here
who can make that judgment competently
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:21 PM CDT
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They didn't try to win.
I can stomache losing while rebuilding, but not rotating QBs like we’re a college team, or in preseason.
Up big, or down big then sure, but I think everyone here knows why we play the game.
by NJChiefsFan on
Sep 14, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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One word to describe the game....FIASCO.....
I guess thats the result when we open up our offense?
I guess Brodie kept the offensive woes hidden with his conservative play, last week.
Do not agree with the rotation of QB’s. At first the novelty looked promising, but soon hopes started to fade when the passes fell harmlessly to ground.
Damn, we looked awful today! The Bill Cowher option sounds extemely tempting after today’s loss….But to bring in another coach at this point would do more harm than good. Also, Cowher brings in another philosophy like the 3-4 defense, we will go through another roster purge and lose all that we’ve done these past three years. Cool heads must prevail…..lets wait until after the season to make the adjustments… This is going to be an ugly season…………………………….
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Sep 15, 2008 2:37 AM CDT
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did brodie hide the woes
or ease them?
i know everyone likes to hate Croyle but I mean that was the biggest variable between almost beating the pats last week to getting stomped by the raiders this week.
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 15, 2008 2:41 AM CDT
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PT What
The hell happened out there? After the first preseason game it looked like we had a competent offense, now we just got our asses handed to us by the Raiders, at HOME!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:00 PM CDT
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I know
I’m really pissed.
I guess my feelings are really mixed right now.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:01 PM CDT
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The worse thing that
Happened, was making the playoffs in 06, it made Herm look competent!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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Excellent point
It delayed our rebuilding and masked what condition this team was actually in.
by Chris on
Sep 14, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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Well
We REALLY saw it IN the playoffs against the Colts. I mean, we saw what we were gonna become. A team that cant run, cant take advantages of our turnovers (Ty Law picked off Peyton like 50 times w/ nothing to show for it) and a Defense that was fighting so hard for both sides of the ball. SO much that if got tired out.
by ROC 27 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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Colts game has nothing to do with it
I haven’t checked the roster, but I imagine there is about a 50% turnover.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:13 PM CDT
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No... It really does.
When you see a team like this play… You HAVE to go beyond the players. And look at the core… And in there we see Herm and Carl. I mean, look at what we’ve become!
by ROC 27 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:18 PM CDT
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fortunes change quickly in the nfl
i remember watching some really, really bad chiefs teams over the years. . .isn’t any team only a couple of years away from a superbowl run? isn’t that what’s great about the nfl? We knew this was going to be a tough year a long time ago.
Are we going to do this every terrible loss this year?
It doesn’t get any worse than this, so let’s look ahead. . .
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT
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You've been lurking for a while
Glad to see you commenting! Welcome!
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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maybe it's these pain pills from wisdom teeth removal
but i feel like being optimistic. . .sorry!
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 4:09 PM CDT
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Can I borrow about 50?
Oh hang on I found my rope!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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Somebody has to be...
…usually, it’s me, but I am so disgusted right now that the only thing I could rustle up at the end of the game was, “Well, at least we were on the early game today.”
Sir_eccles’ response was, “That’s all you’ve got?” I shrugged.
Feel free to send some of those drugs over here. Thanks.
by gritsnyc on
Sep 14, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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Who me??
I’m a Arrowhead Addict guy, but I check AP EVERYDAY… I thought it’d be cool to run on both sides. We’re all Chiefs fans here.
by ROC 27 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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too bad
i have a fantasy league with 2 qbs and went out on a limb and started Huard today….time and again I try to have faith.
by Shawn on
Sep 14, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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I will say this...
I extremely admire LJ for not pouting or getting pissed on the field despite the ridiculous and continuous up the gut run calling.
This can’t be Chan, and LJ is being a good soldier despite knowing that everyone knows what play is coming and when.
by DThomasReigns on
Sep 14, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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Herm
This is the same thing as last year. Herm is trying to impose his will on the other team without regard for what the fuck is happening on the field.
It is exactly why his stupid fucking “keep it close” philosophy is a complete load of shit.
“Keeping it close” means playing behind the entire game and then desperately doing what should have been done in the beginning of the game only after it is too late.
When you are ahead, you don’t try to keep it close. You only want to keep it close when you admit defeat before you step on the field. And that is exactly how this team has played the past 2 years.
They assume they are going to trail the entire game, and Herm refuses to realize that repeatedly running failed plays from the same damn formations isn’t going to change the outcome.
But, he’ll at least tell you he put the players in position to make plays.
by DThomasReigns on
Sep 14, 2008 4:22 PM CDT
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Then why splash out for this genius of an offensive coordinator?
It’s a rhetorical question, in a way, but if you bring in this guy…wouldn’t you think the head coach might listen to him?
There I go, being sensible again.
by gritsnyc on
Sep 14, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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There is nothing
Sensible happening at Arrowhead these days!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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21-3 Denver
With a MIX of young guys and vets…hmmm.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:15 PM CDT
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We really need San Diego to win today.
Wooooo AFC West. Remember when we were the toughest division in the League? Good times…
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Sep 14, 2008 4:16 PM CDT
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Sproles kick return for a TD.
Hey I remember what those used to look like!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:20 PM CDT
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so what did Herm say after the game
Or did technical difficulties pre empt the post game press conference
by sm7600 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:24 PM CDT
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He said
Sorry guys I am in way over my head, help!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:27 PM CDT
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Do not know.
Went right to Donkeys/Chargers.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:26 PM CDT
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Basically some same old Herm BS about going out and doing better next time
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on
Sep 14, 2008 4:27 PM CDT
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You do not have a pic
That would simulate the post game press conference?
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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Bernard Pollard
Maybe he could last a whole game under center as Herm’s starting qb?
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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if thiggy starts next week
he’s out by the second quarter
by Walter Camp on
Sep 14, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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Its been said a thousand times
but what an embarrassing game.. by far and i mean BY FAR the worst chiefs game i have ever watched.. just horrible
ugh.
by focs on
Sep 14, 2008 4:36 PM CDT
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how many times will I have to see bad tackling, missed gap assignments, and no pass rush? Sorry, but I think it’s time to flush him too.
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Sep 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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When put so frankly it’s, well…painful. I understand the process is going to have to go through this.
Eleven losses in a row. That has to be a franchise record.
I’m a Herm Edwards fan. I like the guy. I’ve defended him in bars.
Personnel decisions are a problem. Don’t know who to blame for that.
Crushing defeat, really. Division opponent, home game. I wasn’t fortunate to be at the game, but wasn’t it the typical Arrowhead atmosphere? We’ve always strived to have a collegesque atmosphere; didn’t they feel it?
Can we beat the Falcons? Our team will be all about "Who can we beat?" So who CAN we beat?
I do need to realize that we knew this was going to be tough. I was willing to accept.
I still am. Go Chiefs.
Did anyone see KC Wolf banging his head against the goalpost after the last TD?
Go Chiefs!!!!
by AngryJesus on
Sep 14, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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Now what we need...
…Is a post game picture from the PARADE. Can you help us out?
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:50 PM CDT
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I was baiting him
But he did not bite!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:51 PM CDT
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Can we go back to arena football?
Ya know the thirty points a game football.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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what was different
about our team from last week to this week?
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 14, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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last week we were healthy
and played what still looks to be a pretty darn good team better than this.
I have to think if Croyle or Huard played the whole game it wouldve been significantly different.
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 14, 2008 5:15 PM CDT
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Did you see
Something in Damon today that I did not?
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 5:17 PM CDT
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you dont have to see much
to see more in Huard than thiggy
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 14, 2008 6:29 PM CDT
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It truly hurts when the Royals can outscore the Chiefs on any given day.
by DThomasReigns on
Sep 14, 2008 5:01 PM CDT
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What really sucks
is that we are the AFC WEST bottom dwellers, and may stay that way.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 5:04 PM CDT
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Why so much
sudden negativity? Didn’t Chiefs fans pretty much agree that this season would be a 2-4 win year, and that as we found out more about which youngsters could play and which of them couldn’t hack it, there would be games like this?
Look, there’s no defending the offensive ineptitude today. The QB merry-go-round was a disaster, and Thigpen should not still be in this league. Our run defense was just as bad as last year’s, and the O-line still needs a lot of work. The playcalling was horrible for the most part, which I’m sure is mostly due to the idiotic idea to play 3 different QBs – though at least we learned what we needed to about one of them.
Didn’t we all see games like this coming? This is the kind of stuff that happens during rebuilding – we have to find out about these players at some point – at least we’re finding out, good or bad, early in the process.
by Seth_C on
Sep 14, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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Yea,
but there should be signs of moving forward, not steady reverse.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 5:08 PM CDT
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Where's the
steady reverse you speak of? Two games (one of which ended up not being all that bad) is enough to see “steady reverse”?
by Seth_C on
Sep 14, 2008 5:10 PM CDT
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It has been from the first pre-season game
There was some promise of a decent offense, we have seen none of the same play calling, or urgency. Herm is a joke, did you see anything that resembled a game plan today? On either side of the ball. Over 250 yards rushing given up.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 5:13 PM CDT
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We Gave Up Exactly 300 Yards Rushing
To a team that has a disastrous offensive line, a horrible receiving corps, a QB in his second year in the league (so they’re not seriously stretching the field), and that has lost 11 or more games 5 years in a row. That is unacceptable by any standard, young players or not. If Herm Edwards cannot gameplan for a team that got shut down by Denver’s defense, quite frankly he’s not competent to be a coach at the NFL level and there’s no way we should be entrusting him with the rebuilding of this team…particularly considering how badly he’s whiffed on evaluating the quality of our QB situation (Croyle was a horrible gamble considering his injury history, Thigpen showed nothing to demonstrate that he’s capable of playing QB in the NFL in a game that matters).
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
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Sep 14, 2008 5:35 PM CDT
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It Was A Struggle
Not to make every other word in that comment an f-bomb. I have officially given up on Herm Edwards’ ability to develop this team and I believe that he simply needs to be fired…immediately. Let Chan Gailey step in as coach for the rest of the season. He’s a capable enough fill-in for the rest of the year. Herm is simply a shitty head coach.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 14, 2008 5:41 PM CDT
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Two different OC's
Same result, one thing in common..Herm. He must go , or these young guys that we have may never develop.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 5:43 PM CDT
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Maybe they could go to
The Raiders together!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 5:46 PM CDT
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I'm On The Fence About Gunther
But he’s really been here long enough to be accountable for the product that goes on the field…the defense has been a problem with old players and it’s been a problem with young players. I like Gunther, same as most Chiefs fans, but I’m quickly becoming of the mind that it’s time for a full clean-out after the season’s over.
Head coach should be fired now, though.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 14, 2008 5:48 PM CDT
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New coaches
All the way around, Frank Ganz jr., for special teams. Cowher for HC.
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 5:51 PM CDT
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And The GM
That smug fuck should be out on his ass tomorrow.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 14, 2008 5:49 PM CDT
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As long as the interim HC doesn't just
stand on the sidelines, emotionless, with his arms crossed for 3 hours, and demands some accountability, I am fine with anyone.
Enough fucking hand holding, and speaking in circles without ever saying a goddamn thing.
by DThomasReigns on
Sep 14, 2008 5:52 PM CDT
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You noticed that too.
Standing there emotionless, with a blank stare.
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Sep 14, 2008 5:54 PM CDT
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Emotion On The Sidelines Isn't A Huge Deal For Me
Getting your ass kicked in the first half, then coming out and getting your ass kicked in the 2nd half because you didn’t make any adjustments…that pisses me off.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 14, 2008 5:56 PM CDT
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The emotionless part only bothers me to the point
where all the players know “daddy” Herm is going to make all their boo-boos better.
“The other team is just a bunch of meanies.” Herm reminds me of Eric Cartman’s mother.
by DThomasReigns on
Sep 14, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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The team played the way he was
Acting, like he would rather be home napping. Imagine Cowher if his team played this way, it would be a spit-fest. They would come back playing with some fire!
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Sep 14, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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I'm Up For It
He took a lot of heat in 2006 for drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush but now it appears it was the smart move. Casserly would be good at the job.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
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Sep 14, 2008 9:16 PM CDT
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UCrawford
Been loving your posts and can’t agree with you more. Chan’s an ept interim coach and Herm should have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the offensive side of the ball
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Sep 15, 2008 3:06 AM CDT
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Thank you for saying that
I am as mad as anyone about this game but Chiefs fans have a tendency to live in a 5 minute box.
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Sep 14, 2008 7:45 PM CDT
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You'll Note
That I’ve been saying this QB situation is a disaster since the offseason. So have quite a few others. This was not an earth-shattering revelation…it blew up in their faces and now we want the coaching staff to be held accountable before they destroy the rest of the team.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 14, 2008 9:18 PM CDT
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Oh...
also, to those of you complaining about Huard not playing more, I’m absolutely sure that I heard Gannon or Harlan say that he was “dinged,” which was why he wasn’t playing. What injury “dinged” describes, I’m not sure – but I know that it was mentioned.
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Sep 14, 2008 5:09 PM CDT
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Concussion
Although I found it odd that they didn’t disclose that until the third quarter. I’ve got a buddy who’s as die-hard a Chiefs fan as you’re going to find and he’s actually convinced that the Chiefs are lying about that though to cover for their decision to leave Thigpen in there.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Sep 14, 2008 5:37 PM CDT
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With Huard now dinged,
Will we see Daunte Culpepper in red?
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 5:34 PM CDT
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That would make too much sense
If Huard is out next week then we NEED a competent backup QB.
It’s the same with Croyle – we can’t stunt the development of the rest of the offense just because we decided Croyle is “the guy”.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT
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We all knew
how many problems the Chiefs had. They wouldn’t have signed Martin and worked out Bartel if they thought Thigpen was the guy. But if you look past the obvious talent mismatches, we were not mentally prepared for today. The Raiders took it on the chin last week at home and they came ready to play hard. This is the kind of loss that believe it or not should teach these young guys a lot about playing in the NFL and help to galvanize this team. Or… they tank it. I guess we will have to wait and see.
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Sep 14, 2008 5:35 PM CDT
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Martin And Bartel Suck
Sorry…but if Martin and Bartel are the best the Chiefs can come up with as fill in QBs, then every coach and front office person in on that decision should be fired. Martin was a guy who was so talentless that the Tennessee Titans (as passing-challenged a franchise as you’re ever going to find) didn’t bring him up from their practice squad when Vince Young went down. Richard Bartel was a guy who completed 50% of his passes as a part-time QB at a Division II school. He’s not demonstrated enough ability as a football player to merit a practice squad slot.
I hate to even think what happens next week if Huard’s out and Thigpen goes down…it could very well be the worst QB play of all time in the NFL.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
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Sep 14, 2008 6:01 PM CDT
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Gotta wonder
why we didn’t sign someone like Simms who has starting experience? It is very hard to see someone like Thigpen make every quarterback mistake in the book? I hate to say it but I am ready for us to sign Garcia or Culpepper. Because if we don’t, I think we may be staring at 1-15, and I am trying to figure out who the 1 would be?
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Sep 14, 2008 6:07 PM CDT
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I am not scared of that
As long as Herm Edwards does not come with the number 1 pick!
by Eric Allen on
Sep 14, 2008 6:09 PM CDT
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They didn't sign a Simms/Ratay because they don't want Brodie to feel threatened.
Kinda like they didn’t want Medlock to feel threatened, because he “competes within himself.”
by DThomasReigns on
Sep 14, 2008 6:15 PM CDT
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That's too bad
because now they are going to feel threatened to keep their job!
by TheQ on
Sep 14, 2008 6:21 PM CDT
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Competing Within Yourself
Is a load of horseshit.
You know what I think when I see a kicker who misses kicks because he’s putting too much pressure on himself? I think “There’s a kicker who’s got no business playing in the NFL because he’s a choke artist.” You know what I see when I hear a team say that they don’t want to put pressure on the QB to win his job? I think “There’s a QB who’s never going to be a winner because he can’t handle competition.”
Teams that encourage that kind of attitudes are teams that lose and never go anywhere…and that’s what the Chiefs are becoming with Herm and Carl. Only way you get rid of that attitude is to get rid of the people who are pushing that mindset…starting at the top.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
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Sep 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT
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We can't sign everyone
My point is, it takes two sides to make a deal. Maybe Simms didn’t want to come here. Besides, it’s not like he would get any PT. He’s 28 years old and has demonstrated that he’s at best an average to below average QB.
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Sep 14, 2008 7:40 PM CDT
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I, for one
would kill for an average to below average QB right now. Average to below average is Joe Montana compared to the mountain of crap we have.
Let me guess… Huard’s average?
by Ridiculous Matt on
Sep 14, 2008 8:44 PM CDT
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Wow
San Diego is getting screwed on that fumble call.
by Pauli on
Sep 14, 2008 6:28 PM CDT
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yep
but im enjoying this game so im glad
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 14, 2008 6:30 PM CDT
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goin for two????!!!!
good football
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 14, 2008 6:31 PM CDT
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i hate to say it
but cutler is the real deal
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by troy145 on
Sep 14, 2008 6:32 PM CDT
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No doubt!
The boy can sling it! What would we have to give up in trade to get him? Like the whole team?
by TheQ on
Sep 14, 2008 6:35 PM CDT
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the actual town of Kansas City
Naming my son Brodie Damon
by troy145 on
Sep 14, 2008 6:39 PM CDT
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I don't think we have anything
Literally, I don’t think we could put together any # of players that could make that trade.
by primetime 07 on
Sep 14, 2008 7:38 PM CDT
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I haven't watched the Chiefs in years
but the main difference in what I saw today was just pathetic performance from both our O- and D-line. RBs don’t pick up yards when the O-line doesn’t create holes, and opposing RBs look like superstars when your D-line lets itself get pushed apart and create more holes than Swiss cheese.
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Sep 14, 2008 6:32 PM CDT
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Hire Cowher and Trade for Quinn
I reiterate my post from last week: do whatever it takes to sign Brady Quinn and hire Bill Cowher. That’s the only thing that will begin to fix this MESS!
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Sep 14, 2008 7:10 PM CDT
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Man
We can’t just assume any coach would come here. The fact is we have a new owner and a team in a massive transition period – there’s not much drawing coaches here.
Besides, Cowher is retired until we hear otherwise. Let’s not criticize the Chiefs for not bringing Cowher when he’s not even available. That’s just nitpicky, you know what I mean?
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Sep 14, 2008 7:37 PM CDT
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Can we criticize Carl
For binging in a lame duck coach, and trading a 4th round pick for the rights to do it?
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Sep 14, 2008 8:03 PM CDT
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Yes We Can
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
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Sep 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT
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It hurts to say...
…but I vote we trade him. We owe it to him.
-cw
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Sep 14, 2008 8:58 PM CDT
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+1
He deserves better than this.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Sep 14, 2008 9:02 PM CDT
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+1 to you...
for +1-ing me. Seriously.
-cw
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Sep 14, 2008 9:40 PM CDT
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This is my first post...
I can’t imagine watching this all year that was just horrible. Today it didn’t look like we were even trying to win the game.
- Thigpen staring down his recievers and trying to force it into cover. I honestly couldn’t see him going through progressions.
- Larry Johnson only had 12 carries we just gave up on running the second half, now he’s pissed and doesn’t want to be in our future plans.
- Our defense played well the first half but looked so tired the second half because our offense pretty much went 3 and out every time they had the ball.
- We just made the Raiders look like a good team. Enough said.
I could probably go on like this all day and I can’t think of many positives from this game other then the fact that it is over.
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Sep 14, 2008 8:00 PM CDT
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Defeated.
I give.
Huard should start. Thigpen can’t be a starting QB it looks like and Croyle’s an injury issue. Huard’s the only option. UCCrawford’s right. It’s time to start looking to develop the rest of the team, if there’s anything to develop.
I was prepared for a loss. Not really prepared. But kind of. But I wasn’t prepared to be beaten like that. By the Raiders.
This franchise is in ruins right now. The Bono era was better than this. The Grbac era was a dream compared to this. We’re a nightmare. I don’t care if Huard starts because I find it hard to care about anything we do, outside of my emotional attachment to the team.
I can’t criticize the coaching staff without looking like a hypocrite, so I’ll leave it be. Suffice to say that firing Herm does no good at this point in the season anyway, and if you were Bill Cowher, or really ANY coach in America, would you want this job right now?
Again, it’s not the loss, it’s watching DMac, one of my favorite players in college football, who went to my homestate’s University, torch us on top of it. It’s looking like we’re not even a real franchise.
Simms is gone, Culpepper can’t play, all the rest are scrubs. There’s no good option. And it really won’t matter since whoever steps under center is going to get crushed and injured regardless.
I really can’t come up with anything positive for today. I want to. I just can’t.
by Ridiculous Matt on
Sep 14, 2008 8:25 PM CDT
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The bright side
Of firing Herm today, the playcalling might be a little more creative for the rest of the season, we would no longer hear that is what is great about the NFL, without any real substinance behind it, no real action. Herms empty thoughts of building a championship team, when he cannot even develop the young guys we have now. That is the problem he might be able to identify talent, but cannot coach it up. Yes there were young guys out there, but they have played football before. That is his job to prepare the team, and this is not the first time he has not prepared his team.
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Sep 14, 2008 8:55 PM CDT
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There is no one
that we could hire for the rest of this season. What, are you going to make Chan Gailey head coach? The whole staff is Herm’s. Like it or not, even if we were to axe a head coach in a rebuilding year that we knew was a rebuilding year two games in after crucial injuries, we’d still just have cut off the head of a hydra. IF we were to go in a different direction, which we can’t, since Herm has pretty much put himself in an invulnerable position by openly stating it’s a rebuilding year, we’d have to start completely fresh.
That’s the thing, there’s no way to fire Herm, or Carl, because they set the bar low to begin with for this season. So even if the fact that this team may or may not seem to be woefully unprepared to compete professionally in football, they can’t be blamed because they just don’t have the talent. It’s trying to measure degrees of suck, and you can’t.
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Sep 14, 2008 9:01 PM CDT
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I'd Be Fine With Promoting Gailey
He’s been a head coach before in the NFL and didn’t do too badly with it. Granted, you can’t bring anybody in from the outside right now, because that would make things worse, but firing the coach puts everyone else on notice that half-assed efforts won’t be tolerated and there’s accountability, and promoting one of the assistants means that those guys have a chance to correct their problems without yanking the rug out from under them by putting in a whole new strategy mid-season.
I’m sorry, but 300 yards rushing by the Raiders is absolutely a sign that Herm Edwards did a terrible job preparing this team to play. The Raiders got stomped by a weak Denver defense last week and we made them look like All-Pros. That is the head coach’s fault.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
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Sep 14, 2008 9:14 PM CDT
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Do you really think
With Chan Gaileys experience that he likes this crap that we put on the field? I would absolutely love to see him as interim head coach, or Gun for that matter, at least gunis .500 as a head coach.
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Chan Gailey - B
I’m not gonna lie: I feel like most of our problems are offensive (obviously), and moreover, directed at the offensive line. Protection is piss-poor. Huard or Thigpen or whoever’s job should not be to run for their lives and then throw on the run—have any of you ever tried that? It sucks, huh?!
I put my initial blame on an offensive line that couldn’t create holes in the defense for our backs to run through. This forced us to throw the ball (on a windy-ass day where I actually struggled to drive down to KC from I-29 without drifting into the ditch).
Very hesitant to pin a lot of blame onto Chan. He doesn’t have much to work with, and he at least showed a spark by instituting the option to our playbook. Awesome.
However, I believe that Billy Shakespeare (a Chiefsfan at heart) put it best when he uttered those immortal words: "
Now is the winter of our discontent…
-cw
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Sep 14, 2008 8:55 PM CDT
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Next week...
Well, me and my three brothers are traveling to Atlanta next week to cheer on the Chiefs, and I’m wishing I had a way to get the trip refunded at this point. We suck, and it took me two years of mediocre herm-ball to realize it. I can’t understand why the clowns in our front office and Herm himself weren’t fired last year, being that his terrible conservative game plans doom us as much as bad play. Jerry Jones would have fired these clowns after that showing.
I lay the blame ultimately on the Hunts. We won’t see any meaningful changes until the franchise stops making money like it has in the past.
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Sep 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT
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My Problem with Herm...
is that I never once saw him get angry on the sideline. If that performance and play calling didn’t get him mad, what will? He!!, I was screaming at the coaching and play calling loud enough for him to hear me from SC. Some one needs fired, soon (CP)!!!
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