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Chiefs Demoralized by the Raiders

Box score is here.

All I was looking for was offensive improvement today and I got none of it. The Tyler Thigpen experiment is hopefully over after today's game. The run defense is still just as questionable as it was last season.

The Raiders ran all over the Chiefs today and it wasn't pretty. This is the post game thread so jump over here from the game thread.

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When you put it like that...

/excited that it’s the 15-year-old Emo girls’ version of a serious subject.
//ROTFLMAO LOL!!!
///But seriously, I hate the Chiefs today.

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

MORAN

Meant to add this image.

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

what the hell is there to say?

in three short years, Herm’s managed to guarantee that this team won’t see the playoffs for another 5…..at least

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Granted

you guys just got a whole lot of pieces from the draft that still need some seasoning

I think it’ll get better for you guys. If you can edwards though, push back this development at least two years

The Raider Nation is the only Nation.

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

who the hell knows if they can play?

just because they were drafted high means nothing here

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

They drafted a QB

High, they have no idea what they have.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course there are some hits and some misses in the draft

But I have confidence at least half will pan through to be serviceable. It’s all growing pains for us too.

The Raider Nation is the only Nation.

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

There are two superbowl coaches out there. Bill Cowher who I would love. He started here and this is the type of team he could build with. Also Brian Billick might be a good fit for KC. Both of them bring a hard nosed winning style of football. That is what KC used to be and that is what it needs to be.

by cmpotter on Sep 14, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apart from making the raiders look good

The big problem was last week’s game. Herm probably came out of that saying “well we held them to within a score, almost took them to overtime, all we have to do is more of the same”.

Whereas it would have been better for the Chiefs to have been blown away 50-0 last week and we might have turned up this week.

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Sep 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Rough rough game today

More so than ever, the Chiefs need to make a major move for a #1 QB.

by Chris Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

What exactly

are your gripes with what Herm did this game?

I will blame him for keeping Thigpen in and for actually thinking Thigpen could play in the NFL. But what else warrants him leaving as head coach?

by Chris Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

LJ

no comment

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Sep 14, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's definitely more on the O line than anything else.

All the holes were plugged full of Raiders ready to sack thigpin

The Raider Nation is the only Nation.

by oaklandSMASH on Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

a bloated and unjustified reputation

as an “evaluator of talent”

no strategic concept of offense.

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see that

Definitely.

I was being more specific to this game today.

by Chris Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, I can understand your question

but if you fill a box with crap, it doesn’t matter what you wrap it with.

These are problems that go down to the foundation. Its not situational

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait a second...

are you calling Sarah Palin a box of crap?

by Ochophosphate on Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

only when I'm being complementary

otherwise, she gets the full “herm” treatment too

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Palin and MC

Hey, our “foundation” is fundamentally sound!
 Okay, no more politics.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chris this team

Was ill prepared, did they even gameplan? It is his job to prepare this team, our high school team could have put on a better showing.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right to a certain degree

I’m not blind to Herm’s limitations. I think that football is a game to be evaluated in seasons, not just week to week.

by Chris Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

You are so right.

If they play better next week, would you feel better? I’m trying not to be so dramatic in my opinions from week to week.

Or let my anger build up slowly. One of those two and I haven’t decided which it is just yet.

by Chris Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to see

improvement, not going backwards. I will admit I never have liked the Hrm hiring, and I never will.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was going backwards

No excuses for today’s loss. It took me a while to come around to not believing in Croyle and this is another notch against Herm in my mind.

by Chris Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

The opening drive

Of the pre-season, I thought we might have something, where in the hell did that go? Herm must have decided we scored too easy, told Chan to tone it down.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

When we push the ball

we look pretty good, even with thigpen, like at the end of today’s game. If we would start games aggressively, maybe we could play from ahead and actually succeed? at hermball.

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, Herm's going to start that

Herm has yet to find an offense that he trusts. Or knows.

Which is a shame, because you only WIN THE GAME by SCORING MORE POINTS THAN THE OTHER GUY

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's be realistic

Our starting QB went down.

We played our 3rd QB. Let’s not act like this was our 100% Chiefs team.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

who will end up in a body bag

given the oversized spastics who play on the Chiefs O line.

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick Inference

After watching that nightmare, I will assume the following.

1. We did not watch any of the tape from the Denver Oakland game, therefore not gaining any knowledge about how to defeat Oakland.

2. We have only ONE run play – it’s called up the gut for 1 yard. We took the playbook and ripped out + burnt all of the tosses, fake toss/counters, and anything other than “up the gut” after the Chigago preseason game when we realized they might actually work. Someone please check the Arrowhead fireplaces for evidence of said burning.

3. Thigpen is not the answer – and he never will be. Sorry Thiggy, I saw this coming after your stellar preseason. Ingle Martin, you’re up to bat, please step up to the plate!!

4. MacIntosh is still terrible at RT.

5. I should go ahead and cancel my NFL Sunday Ticket – I can’t believe I’m paying to watch this crap.

by Ochophosphate on Sep 14, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

What about

Marques Hagans? He was 1/1 for 5

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

Sunday Ticket + Superfan just to watch the chiefs + HD DVR cuz im usually on duty…. fuck!

by Dustin SLO,CA on Sep 14, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were some good things

though they were hard to find

I though a few defensive players had moments: pat thomas, bernard pollard, and carr did okay considering they were throwing his way all afternoon.

albert played well for most of the game, only let a couple of linemen through.

at least we know about thigpen.

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

"moments" are not enough

pro football doesn’t reward occaisional good plays.

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like football too much

to only focus on the negatives. We won’t be in the playoffs this year, but these players are young and will still be playing football for the next few years.

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea we have

young players, but we need a competent coach to bring them along.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Canada or the arena league.

I’m sorry, but this team has no future for the next 5 years

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not under Herm!

He is proving it all by himself.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's nothing positive here?

this was probably the hardest game to watch, ever, but still. . .you don’t think any of these young guys played well?

i’m not necessarily defending herm, but some of our players worked hard out there today and i think we have a few (not many) future stars.

am i way off base?

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

good to know

why do you watch the games?

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

at this point its purely academic

to see if they really ARE that bad, Tampa Bay in 1977 bad.

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think with

Bringing these kids along with the mindset of keeping it close we will win it in the fourth quarter takes away the killer instinct.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eleven in a row is pretty bad

We lost to a terrible raiders team in Arrowhead. Marty would not have allowed this. That is all.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 14, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

BRING MARTY BACK!

And Al Saunders, while you’re at it.

I feel so horrible that I made sir_eccles marry into this train wreck. This was worse than The Playoff Game That Shall Not Be Mentioned. And I never thought it could be that bad again.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the commentators

on the game said Marty chose Oak over KC

Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders til I die!

by mikesd1981 on Sep 14, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see...

Special Teams… Should be gutted entirely. (Sole exception of Colquitt)

Thigpen… CUT, waivers, NOW

MacIntosh… Sit him, he’s a backup

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Sep 14, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Word

I don’t know about the first, but you’re absolutely right about Thigy & Mac

by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 15, 2008 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bring Back Marty

Even with Marty’s rep for choking in playoff games, he’s still the type of coach KC needs. Herm isn’t terrible, but he’d do WAY better as either A, a D coordinator or at a team like Chicago or Minn. Herm is a defensive smashmouth running football coach. There’s an old saying “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” Our West coast Offense worked great and it opened up the running game for LJ/Holmes. I mean 4-5 years ago we were the #1 offense in the league, but our Defense SUCKED! Defense is better but as a HUGE cost to our offense. I wish they would have let Croyle play all of last season instead of this ping ponging QB’s (like they did today) I guess I’m done venting.

by Jeremie76 on Sep 14, 2008 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe it's the beer talking

Or, more specifically, maybe it’s the Boggs talking...

But I was at the game and I’ve never felt more hopeless after the game.

It has to be the worst feeling.

Think about this….if we can’t beat the Raiders, at home, on opening day….what do we do??

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Not sell out games...

…and have a blackout the next couple of home games.

Then maybe the front office will wake up and do something.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

problem is, there's nothing to do for this year

Its not like they can call down to the minors and get help

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But perhaps we could stop the hemorraging before it gets worse over the next couple of seasons.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably won't black out

TV stations know the advertising implications of that.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose.

Hey, since you were there…was it really as empty as my little brother (who was also there) said it was? He was freaking out, especially since it was opening day.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not totally empty

My last game, the Broncos home game last year, emptied at half. This wasn’t as bad.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

*sigh*

I just can’t fathom half-empty Raiders and Broncos games. It breaks my heart.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't call for Herm's head

Yet.

We committed to the rebuilding plan. We gotta give him this year. I’m as pissed as anyone else but let’s not one game control our feelings.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

This year

Last year we realized the problem.

Firing a head coach in the middle of the season would be 10X more disastrous than the last game.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO DUDE!

sm7600 said it right!

And quite frankly!! If you couldnt see the problem years ago, youre blind. Herm has slowly be surely drained our team down the drain.

by R2J_24 on Sep 14, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

in what way?

we both agree that nothing good is coming out of this year is that it will end in the first week of January.

I don’t think Herm knows nearly as much as he thinks he does with talent evaluation.

Why not accelerate the process?

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Primetime...

I’m not saying to fire Herm NOW… But geeze.. Enoughs enough. Thats it. We need people in this organization who know how to win. I say we bring back Marty Schottenheimer. Or hey heres an idea… Bill Cowher.

by R2J_24 on Sep 14, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fire him now!

We can take an 0-16 season, as long as we get the number 1 pick, and Bill Cowher! We would not see anymore of the bullshit we seen on the field today.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we could bring back

One of 2 future Hall of Fame coaches I would be down for it.

But let’s be realistic. It sounds good in theory but come on guys.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cowher has said

KC would be one of the teams he would like to coach for, does not seem that unrealistic to me.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said that?

Do you have a link? I looked around and couldn’t find anything.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 15, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know! I know!

It was kind of a joke… I would LOVE Bill Cowher!! And I MISS Marty! But looking at the decisions and moves that our organization has decided to make, shows me that we’re gonna ride this shitty wave the whole season and who knows maybe next.

by R2J_24 on Sep 14, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had the time...

I would check to see what you said after our draft.

Don’t let this game change your attitude about the Chiefs.

Last week we were complimenting the draft and excited.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you understand the turnover we had?

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not happy with Herm, but let’s be realistic here. We ignored the draft for 5 years let’s not blame someone else for that.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, and the same losers who drop kicked the last 5 drafts

before Vermiel left are still calling a lot of the shots, or are making the evaluations. Their track record (Bill Kuharich, Chuck Cook, etc.) remains unsullied and uninterrupted failure

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need some VETS and I dont mean Joe Horn. I mean, players who have proven themselves ABLE to play in the NFL.

by R2J_24 on Sep 14, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's nobody here

who can make that judgment competently

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

PT What

The hell happened out there? After the first preseason game it looked like we had a competent offense, now we just got our asses handed to us by the Raiders, at HOME!

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

I’m really pissed.

I guess my feelings are really mixed right now.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The worse thing that

Happened, was making the playoffs in 06, it made Herm look competent!

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Excellent point

It delayed our rebuilding and masked what condition this team was actually in.

by Chris Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

We REALLY saw it IN the playoffs against the Colts. I mean, we saw what we were gonna become. A team that cant run, cant take advantages of our turnovers (Ty Law picked off Peyton like 50 times w/ nothing to show for it) and a Defense that was fighting so hard for both sides of the ball. SO much that if got tired out.

by R2J_24 on Sep 14, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colts game has nothing to do with it

I haven’t checked the roster, but I imagine there is about a 50% turnover.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No... It really does.

When you see a team like this play… You HAVE to go beyond the players. And look at the core… And in there we see Herm and Carl. I mean, look at what we’ve become!

by R2J_24 on Sep 14, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

fortunes change quickly in the nfl

i remember watching some really, really bad chiefs teams over the years. . .isn’t any team only a couple of years away from a superbowl run? isn’t that what’s great about the nfl? We knew this was going to be a tough year a long time ago.

Are we going to do this every terrible loss this year?

It doesn’t get any worse than this, so let’s look ahead. . .

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Somebody has to be...

…usually, it’s me, but I am so disgusted right now that the only thing I could rustle up at the end of the game was, “Well, at least we were on the early game today.”

Sir_eccles’ response was, “That’s all you’ve got?” I shrugged.

Feel free to send some of those drugs over here. Thanks.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who me??

I’m a Arrowhead Addict guy, but I check AP EVERYDAY… I thought it’d be cool to run on both sides. We’re all Chiefs fans here.

by R2J_24 on Sep 14, 2008 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

too bad

i have a fantasy league with 2 qbs and went out on a limb and started Huard today….time and again I try to have faith.

by Shawn on Sep 14, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I will say this...

I extremely admire LJ for not pouting or getting pissed on the field despite the ridiculous and continuous up the gut run calling.

This can’t be Chan, and LJ is being a good soldier despite knowing that everyone knows what play is coming and when.

by DThomasReigns on Sep 14, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Herm

This is the same thing as last year. Herm is trying to impose his will on the other team without regard for what the fuck is happening on the field.

It is exactly why his stupid fucking “keep it close” philosophy is a complete load of shit.

“Keeping it close” means playing behind the entire game and then desperately doing what should have been done in the beginning of the game only after it is too late.

When you are ahead, you don’t try to keep it close. You only want to keep it close when you admit defeat before you step on the field. And that is exactly how this team has played the past 2 years.

They assume they are going to trail the entire game, and Herm refuses to realize that repeatedly running failed plays from the same damn formations isn’t going to change the outcome.

But, he’ll at least tell you he put the players in position to make plays.

by DThomasReigns on Sep 14, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then why splash out for this genius of an offensive coordinator?

It’s a rhetorical question, in a way, but if you bring in this guy…wouldn’t you think the head coach might listen to him?

There I go, being sensible again.

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is nothing

Sensible happening at Arrowhead these days!

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

21-3 Denver

With a MIX of young guys and vets…hmmm.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

We really need San Diego to win today.

Wooooo AFC West. Remember when we were the toughest division in the League? Good times…

by gritsnyc on Sep 14, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sproles kick return for a TD.

Hey I remember what those used to look like!

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

so what did Herm say after the game

Or did technical difficulties pre empt the post game press conference

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

He said

Sorry guys I am in way over my head, help!

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do not know.

Went right to Donkeys/Chargers.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

You do not have a pic

That would simulate the post game press conference?

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

indeed

Although any car wreck photo will do

by sm7600 on Sep 14, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bernard Pollard

Maybe he could last a whole game under center as Herm’s starting qb?

by Walter Camp on Sep 14, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Its been said a thousand times

but what an embarrassing game.. by far and i mean BY FAR the worst chiefs game i have ever watched.. just horrible

ugh.

by focs on Sep 14, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

how many times will I have to see bad tackling, missed gap assignments, and no pass rush? Sorry, but I think it’s time to flush him too.

by kc571 on Sep 14, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

When put so frankly it’s, well…painful. I understand the process is going to have to go through this.

Eleven losses in a row. That has to be a franchise record.

I’m a Herm Edwards fan. I like the guy. I’ve defended him in bars.

Personnel decisions are a problem. Don’t know who to blame for that.

Crushing defeat, really. Division opponent, home game. I wasn’t fortunate to be at the game, but wasn’t it the typical Arrowhead atmosphere? We’ve always strived to have a collegesque atmosphere; didn’t they feel it?

Can we beat the Falcons? Our team will be all about "Who can we beat?" So who CAN we beat?

I do need to realize that we knew this was going to be tough. I was willing to accept.

I still am. Go Chiefs.

Did anyone see KC Wolf banging his head against the goalpost after the last TD?

Go Chiefs!!!!

by AngryJesus on Sep 14, 2008 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

KC Wolf

He bangs his head against the goal post after every opponent TD or field goal…has for awhile. I hate stupid mascots.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now what we need...

…Is a post game picture from the PARADE. Can you help us out?

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Can we go back to arena football?

Ya know the thirty points a game football.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

what was different

about our team from last week to this week?

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 14, 2008 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

last week we were healthy

and played what still looks to be a pretty darn good team better than this.

I have to think if Croyle or Huard played the whole game it wouldve been significantly different.

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 14, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you see

Something in Damon today that I did not?

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

you dont have to see much

to see more in Huard than thiggy

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 14, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

What really sucks

is that we are the AFC WEST bottom dwellers, and may stay that way.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Why so much

sudden negativity? Didn’t Chiefs fans pretty much agree that this season would be a 2-4 win year, and that as we found out more about which youngsters could play and which of them couldn’t hack it, there would be games like this?

Look, there’s no defending the offensive ineptitude today. The QB merry-go-round was a disaster, and Thigpen should not still be in this league. Our run defense was just as bad as last year’s, and the O-line still needs a lot of work. The playcalling was horrible for the most part, which I’m sure is mostly due to the idiotic idea to play 3 different QBs – though at least we learned what we needed to about one of them.

Didn’t we all see games like this coming? This is the kind of stuff that happens during rebuilding – we have to find out about these players at some point – at least we’re finding out, good or bad, early in the process.

by Seth_C on Sep 14, 2008 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Yea,

but there should be signs of moving forward, not steady reverse.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where's the

steady reverse you speak of? Two games (one of which ended up not being all that bad) is enough to see “steady reverse”?

by Seth_C on Sep 14, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It has been from the first pre-season game

There was some promise of a decent offense, we have seen none of the same play calling, or urgency. Herm is a joke, did you see anything that resembled a game plan today? On either side of the ball. Over 250 yards rushing given up.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

We Gave Up Exactly 300 Yards Rushing

To a team that has a disastrous offensive line, a horrible receiving corps, a QB in his second year in the league (so they’re not seriously stretching the field), and that has lost 11 or more games 5 years in a row. That is unacceptable by any standard, young players or not. If Herm Edwards cannot gameplan for a team that got shut down by Denver’s defense, quite frankly he’s not competent to be a coach at the NFL level and there’s no way we should be entrusting him with the rebuilding of this team…particularly considering how badly he’s whiffed on evaluating the quality of our QB situation (Croyle was a horrible gamble considering his injury history, Thigpen showed nothing to demonstrate that he’s capable of playing QB in the NFL in a game that matters).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It Was A Struggle

Not to make every other word in that comment an f-bomb. I have officially given up on Herm Edwards’ ability to develop this team and I believe that he simply needs to be fired…immediately. Let Chan Gailey step in as coach for the rest of the season. He’s a capable enough fill-in for the rest of the year. Herm is simply a shitty head coach.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two different OC's

Same result, one thing in common..Herm. He must go , or these young guys that we have may never develop.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm On The Fence About Gunther

But he’s really been here long enough to be accountable for the product that goes on the field…the defense has been a problem with old players and it’s been a problem with young players. I like Gunther, same as most Chiefs fans, but I’m quickly becoming of the mind that it’s time for a full clean-out after the season’s over.

Head coach should be fired now, though.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

New coaches

All the way around, Frank Ganz jr., for special teams. Cowher for HC.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And The GM

That smug fuck should be out on his ass tomorrow.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as the interim HC doesn't just

stand on the sidelines, emotionless, with his arms crossed for 3 hours, and demands some accountability, I am fine with anyone.

Enough fucking hand holding, and speaking in circles without ever saying a goddamn thing.

by DThomasReigns on Sep 14, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You noticed that too.

Standing there emotionless, with a blank stare.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Emotion On The Sidelines Isn't A Huge Deal For Me

Getting your ass kicked in the first half, then coming out and getting your ass kicked in the 2nd half because you didn’t make any adjustments…that pisses me off.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The emotionless part only bothers me to the point

where all the players know “daddy” Herm is going to make all their boo-boos better.

“The other team is just a bunch of meanies.” Herm reminds me of Eric Cartman’s mother.

by DThomasReigns on Sep 14, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team played the way he was

Acting, like he would rather be home napping. Imagine Cowher if his team played this way, it would be a spit-fest. They would come back playing with some fire!

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Up For It

He took a lot of heat in 2006 for drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush but now it appears it was the smart move. Casserly would be good at the job.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

UCrawford

Been loving your posts and can’t agree with you more. Chan’s an ept interim coach and Herm should have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the offensive side of the ball

by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 15, 2008 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you for saying that

I am as mad as anyone about this game but Chiefs fans have a tendency to live in a 5 minute box.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'll Note

That I’ve been saying this QB situation is a disaster since the offseason. So have quite a few others. This was not an earth-shattering revelation…it blew up in their faces and now we want the coaching staff to be held accountable before they destroy the rest of the team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh...

also, to those of you complaining about Huard not playing more, I’m absolutely sure that I heard Gannon or Harlan say that he was “dinged,” which was why he wasn’t playing. What injury “dinged” describes, I’m not sure – but I know that it was mentioned.

by Seth_C on Sep 14, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Concussion

Although I found it odd that they didn’t disclose that until the third quarter. I’ve got a buddy who’s as die-hard a Chiefs fan as you’re going to find and he’s actually convinced that the Chiefs are lying about that though to cover for their decision to leave Thigpen in there.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

With Huard now dinged,

Will we see Daunte Culpepper in red?

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply actions  

That would make too much sense

If Huard is out next week then we NEED a competent backup QB.

It’s the same with Croyle – we can’t stunt the development of the rest of the offense just because we decided Croyle is “the guy”.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

We all knew

how many problems the Chiefs had. They wouldn’t have signed Martin and worked out Bartel if they thought Thigpen was the guy. But if you look past the obvious talent mismatches, we were not mentally prepared for today. The Raiders took it on the chin last week at home and they came ready to play hard. This is the kind of loss that believe it or not should teach these young guys a lot about playing in the NFL and help to galvanize this team. Or… they tank it. I guess we will have to wait and see.

by TheQ on Sep 14, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Martin And Bartel Suck

Sorry…but if Martin and Bartel are the best the Chiefs can come up with as fill in QBs, then every coach and front office person in on that decision should be fired. Martin was a guy who was so talentless that the Tennessee Titans (as passing-challenged a franchise as you’re ever going to find) didn’t bring him up from their practice squad when Vince Young went down. Richard Bartel was a guy who completed 50% of his passes as a part-time QB at a Division II school. He’s not demonstrated enough ability as a football player to merit a practice squad slot.

I hate to even think what happens next week if Huard’s out and Thigpen goes down…it could very well be the worst QB play of all time in the NFL.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta wonder

why we didn’t sign someone like Simms who has starting experience? It is very hard to see someone like Thigpen make every quarterback mistake in the book? I hate to say it but I am ready for us to sign Garcia or Culpepper. Because if we don’t, I think we may be staring at 1-15, and I am trying to figure out who the 1 would be?

by TheQ on Sep 14, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not scared of that

As long as Herm Edwards does not come with the number 1 pick!

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

They didn't sign a Simms/Ratay because they don't want Brodie to feel threatened.

Kinda like they didn’t want Medlock to feel threatened, because he “competes within himself.”

by DThomasReigns on Sep 14, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's too bad

because now they are going to feel threatened to keep their job!

by TheQ on Sep 14, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Competing Within Yourself

Is a load of horseshit.

You know what I think when I see a kicker who misses kicks because he’s putting too much pressure on himself? I think “There’s a kicker who’s got no business playing in the NFL because he’s a choke artist.” You know what I see when I hear a team say that they don’t want to put pressure on the QB to win his job? I think “There’s a QB who’s never going to be a winner because he can’t handle competition.”

Teams that encourage that kind of attitudes are teams that lose and never go anywhere…and that’s what the Chiefs are becoming with Herm and Carl. Only way you get rid of that attitude is to get rid of the people who are pushing that mindset…starting at the top.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can't sign everyone

My point is, it takes two sides to make a deal. Maybe Simms didn’t want to come here. Besides, it’s not like he would get any PT. He’s 28 years old and has demonstrated that he’s at best an average to below average QB.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I, for one

would kill for an average to below average QB right now. Average to below average is Joe Montana compared to the mountain of crap we have.

Let me guess… Huard’s average?

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 14, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

San Diego is getting screwed on that fumble call.

by Pauli on Sep 14, 2008 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

yep

but im enjoying this game so im glad

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 14, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

goin for two????!!!!

good football

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 14, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hate to say it

but cutler is the real deal

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 14, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt!

The boy can sling it! What would we have to give up in trade to get him? Like the whole team?

by TheQ on Sep 14, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think we have anything

Literally, I don’t think we could put together any # of players that could make that trade.

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't watched the Chiefs in years

but the main difference in what I saw today was just pathetic performance from both our O- and D-line. RBs don’t pick up yards when the O-line doesn’t create holes, and opposing RBs look like superstars when your D-line lets itself get pushed apart and create more holes than Swiss cheese.

by KC Gunner on Sep 14, 2008 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Hire Cowher and Trade for Quinn

I reiterate my post from last week: do whatever it takes to sign Brady Quinn and hire Bill Cowher. That’s the only thing that will begin to fix this MESS!

by Steve.Green on Sep 14, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Man

We can’t just assume any coach would come here. The fact is we have a new owner and a team in a massive transition period – there’s not much drawing coaches here.

Besides, Cowher is retired until we hear otherwise. Let’s not criticize the Chiefs for not bringing Cowher when he’s not even available. That’s just nitpicky, you know what I mean?

by Joel Thorman on Sep 14, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we criticize Carl

For binging in a lame duck coach, and trading a 4th round pick for the rights to do it?

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes We Can

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

its funny how much faith we have in Quinn who has played all of 10 downs as a pro against San Francisco

Naming my son Brodie Damon

by troy145 on Sep 14, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

It hurts to say...

…but I vote we trade him. We owe it to him.

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

He deserves better than this.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 14, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 to you...

for +1-ing me. Seriously.

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is my first post...

I can’t imagine watching this all year that was just horrible. Today it didn’t look like we were even trying to win the game.

- Thigpen staring down his recievers and trying to force it into cover. I honestly couldn’t see him going through progressions.

- Larry Johnson only had 12 carries we just gave up on running the second half, now he’s pissed and doesn’t want to be in our future plans.

- Our defense played well the first half but looked so tired the second half because our offense pretty much went 3 and out every time they had the ball.

- We just made the Raiders look like a good team. Enough said.

I could probably go on like this all day and I can’t think of many positives from this game other then the fact that it is over.

by strain1104 on Sep 14, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Defeated.

I give.

Huard should start. Thigpen can’t be a starting QB it looks like and Croyle’s an injury issue. Huard’s the only option. UCCrawford’s right. It’s time to start looking to develop the rest of the team, if there’s anything to develop.

I was prepared for a loss. Not really prepared. But kind of. But I wasn’t prepared to be beaten like that. By the Raiders.

This franchise is in ruins right now. The Bono era was better than this. The Grbac era was a dream compared to this. We’re a nightmare. I don’t care if Huard starts because I find it hard to care about anything we do, outside of my emotional attachment to the team.

I can’t criticize the coaching staff without looking like a hypocrite, so I’ll leave it be. Suffice to say that firing Herm does no good at this point in the season anyway, and if you were Bill Cowher, or really ANY coach in America, would you want this job right now?

Again, it’s not the loss, it’s watching DMac, one of my favorite players in college football, who went to my homestate’s University, torch us on top of it. It’s looking like we’re not even a real franchise.

Simms is gone, Culpepper can’t play, all the rest are scrubs. There’s no good option. And it really won’t matter since whoever steps under center is going to get crushed and injured regardless.

I really can’t come up with anything positive for today. I want to. I just can’t.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 14, 2008 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

The bright side

Of firing Herm today, the playcalling might be a little more creative for the rest of the season, we would no longer hear that is what is great about the NFL, without any real substinance behind it, no real action. Herms empty thoughts of building a championship team, when he cannot even develop the young guys we have now. That is the problem he might be able to identify talent, but cannot coach it up. Yes there were young guys out there, but they have played football before. That is his job to prepare the team, and this is not the first time he has not prepared his team.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

There is no one

that we could hire for the rest of this season. What, are you going to make Chan Gailey head coach? The whole staff is Herm’s. Like it or not, even if we were to axe a head coach in a rebuilding year that we knew was a rebuilding year two games in after crucial injuries, we’d still just have cut off the head of a hydra. IF we were to go in a different direction, which we can’t, since Herm has pretty much put himself in an invulnerable position by openly stating it’s a rebuilding year, we’d have to start completely fresh.

That’s the thing, there’s no way to fire Herm, or Carl, because they set the bar low to begin with for this season. So even if the fact that this team may or may not seem to be woefully unprepared to compete professionally in football, they can’t be blamed because they just don’t have the talent. It’s trying to measure degrees of suck, and you can’t.

by Ridiculous Matt on Sep 14, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd Be Fine With Promoting Gailey

He’s been a head coach before in the NFL and didn’t do too badly with it. Granted, you can’t bring anybody in from the outside right now, because that would make things worse, but firing the coach puts everyone else on notice that half-assed efforts won’t be tolerated and there’s accountability, and promoting one of the assistants means that those guys have a chance to correct their problems without yanking the rug out from under them by putting in a whole new strategy mid-season.

I’m sorry, but 300 yards rushing by the Raiders is absolutely a sign that Herm Edwards did a terrible job preparing this team to play. The Raiders got stomped by a weak Denver defense last week and we made them look like All-Pros. That is the head coach’s fault.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 14, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you really think

With Chan Gaileys experience that he likes this crap that we put on the field? I would absolutely love to see him as interim head coach, or Gun for that matter, at least gunis .500 as a head coach.

by Eric Allen on Sep 14, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chan Gailey - B

I’m not gonna lie: I feel like most of our problems are offensive (obviously), and moreover, directed at the offensive line. Protection is piss-poor. Huard or Thigpen or whoever’s job should not be to run for their lives and then throw on the run—have any of you ever tried that? It sucks, huh?!

I put my initial blame on an offensive line that couldn’t create holes in the defense for our backs to run through. This forced us to throw the ball (on a windy-ass day where I actually struggled to drive down to KC from I-29 without drifting into the ditch).

Very hesitant to pin a lot of blame onto Chan. He doesn’t have much to work with, and he at least showed a spark by instituting the option to our playbook. Awesome.

However, I believe that Billy Shakespeare (a Chiefsfan at heart) put it best when he uttered those immortal words: "

Now is the winter of our discontent…

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Chiefsfan...

btw, should be two words.

/Directed at self.

-cw

by webby37 on Sep 14, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next week...

Well, me and my three brothers are traveling to Atlanta next week to cheer on the Chiefs, and I’m wishing I had a way to get the trip refunded at this point. We suck, and it took me two years of mediocre herm-ball to realize it. I can’t understand why the clowns in our front office and Herm himself weren’t fired last year, being that his terrible conservative game plans doom us as much as bad play. Jerry Jones would have fired these clowns after that showing.

I lay the blame ultimately on the Hunts. We won’t see any meaningful changes until the franchise stops making money like it has in the past.

by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Sep 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

My Problem with Herm...

is that I never once saw him get angry on the sideline. If that performance and play calling didn’t get him mad, what will? He!!, I was screaming at the coaching and play calling loud enough for him to hear me from SC. Some one needs fired, soon (CP)!!!

by sad, sad, sad!!! on Sep 15, 2008 7:09 AM CDT reply actions  

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