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Richard Bartel speaking with the Cowboys offensive coordinator (Photo by Tom Reel)
Buried way down at the bottom of this article is this:
Former Cowboys quarterback Richard Bartel (Grapevine High, SMU, Tarleton State) will work out with the Kansas City Chiefs today.

Obviously, the Chiefs are unsatisfied with their current stable of quarterbacks behind Brodie Croyle. After Croyle's injury last weekend, this will be at least the second quarterback the Chiefs have looked seriously at, with former Titan's QB Ingle Martin being signed on Tuesday. We know the Chiefs were looking hard at Chris Simms before the Titans snatched him up and I never heard much about Tim Rattay's visit to KC so I'm going to assume it was unventful.

Richard Bartel cleared waivers at the end of the preseason and made it back to the Cowboy's practices squad after a bit of interest from Miami.

It also sounds like Bartel had attained the rank of local hero ala Boomer Grigsby, after skirting other options to stay with his favorite team growing up, the Dallas Cowboys. From the Dallas Morning News (The comments are good too):

Say what you want about this being the preseason and how the games don't count. Against the Vikings, Bartel was the starting quarterback for America's Team. He completed 28 of 41 passes for 233 yards. He got sacked three times and escaped some others. All in all, I'd bet a ton of people would love to walk out of Texas Stadium with those numbers and a ton of memories.

"I had the greatest time," said Bartel, who kept a game ball for himself. "I hadn't had that much fun in football in my life. I mean, c'mon, you're playing a whole game for the Dallas Cowboys. You get to run out of the tunnel. The experience was awesome for me.

Bartel doesn't seem to have any particular skills the Chiefs would need, other than a warm body at the 3rd or 4th QB spot on the depth chart. After Boomer Grigsby and Bobby Sippio, my excitement for endearing stories of guys who are third stringers at best has completely waned.

Read much more about Bartel here and here.

H/T to chiefsfan_roger in the FanPosts.

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WTF!?!

Who? Seriously, who?

You know, I’d like to think I’m fairly well-informed on players in the NFL and generally know most of the prospects out there but I’ve never even heard of this guy. Let’s see, he played for one of the worst teams at the Division I level (SMU, under a terrible coach, Phil Bennett, who wasn’t known for recruiting good talent), or maybe he didn’t play and then apparently switched to a Division II team (Tarleton State). Division II, not 1-AA. Seriously, we’re beyond scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point, if this is what passes for a QB prospect under the Peterson/Edwards regime.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 7:53 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh Goodie

Here are Bartel’s numbers from 2003, when he was SMU’s leading passer (via ESPN).

151 attempts, 68 completions (for a 45% completion percentage), 4 TDs and 9 INTs. Oh yeah, I can definitely see how Carl Peterson thinks he’s a find.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 7:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoops

Only meant to emphasize the 45% completion percentage.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 8:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All I can do

is shake my head at these people anymore. I am sure that he’s the QBoF!

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Sep 12, 2008 8:02 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tarelton State

Ahh…. Really Tarelton state isn’t that bad. They are actually a pretty good DII team. Remember Derrick Ross, he came out of Tarelton State. My in-laws live in Stevephenville, so I’m going to try to get the scoop on this kid. I think the biggest knock on players from Tarelton is that Tarelson is basically the 13th grade in Stephenville. Basically they just benefit from Stephenville H.S. which is routinely a top 5 4a team in Texas. Which says a lot about the competition between DII teams……. Personally, though I’m not too high on him.

by Prospero15 on Sep 12, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Problem Is

He wasn’t a very good QB at Tarleton State. If you’re looking for NFL QB prospects out of Division II, they’d better do a hell of a lot better than a 50% completion percentage and 2 TDs their senior year.

Ick.

(That’s not meant to cast aspersions on Tarleton State in relation to other Division II schools, by the way).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 9:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My pointless Tarleton State comment

I used to manage a guy that was RB at Tarleton when Derrick Ross was there. It was a hoot when he found out I was a Chiefs fan. The first thing he told me was that Derrick was terrible at holding on to the ball – which we found to be true. But he also pointed out that he was a tough runner, and if he ever got his fumbling under control he would be stout.

Anyhoo, this fella was (and maybe still is) trying to break in to the NFL and got invited to a workout at the RCA dome in ‘07 for a handful of teams. He didn’t get snagged, and I don’t know if he’s still trying or not. I still have his highlight DVD and I still google his name from time to time to see if he’s doing anything.

by Ochophosphate on Sep 13, 2008 12:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That Was The Assessment Of The Chiefs Staff

I think it was Ray Farmer who was saying that the kid’s got tons of talent, but he can’t seem to figure it out. Fumbling was one problem, showing up to camp overweight when he’s on the bubble for a job is another. Unfortunately for Ross, the world will ultimately judge you by what you do achieve rather than what you could have achieved.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 13, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we're that desperate ...

Maybe we can see if we can steal a QB from Mizzou or Kansas.

I mean, talk Kerry Meier into dropping out and coming in for a try-out and you’ve got a QB and a WR. He doesn’t really need to graduate first, does he?

by JacinB on Sep 12, 2008 10:24 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh

Too bad they have to declare for the draft first before they’re eligible to be signed by an NFL team. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Herm and Carl just need to talk it over with the NFL. I think Roger Goodell would understand.

by JacinB on Sep 12, 2008 5:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Can See That Conversation

“C’mon Commish…do you realize how rotten our QB situation is right now? Our #2 and #3 QBs didn’t even play in Division I for pete’s sake…and our number three guy was only a part time starter in Division II.”

I wonder if Goodell would suspend Peterson from the league right then for blatant incompetence or if he’d just kick him out of his office. Hmmmm, suspension… (UC gazes off in the distance with a wistful expression on his face).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and just think

some were actually calling for Peterson to replace Tagliabue

by Lanier63 on Sep 12, 2008 7:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Some" Being Whom?

Bob Gretz? Dick Curl? Lynn Stiles?

:)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 11:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What do you expect

They friginn’ run this football team like a Wal-Mart. The cheapiest, shittiest goods at the lowest prices. I too am tired of them scrapping the bottom of the free agent market and trying to pass it off as a " youth movement".

The way its been worded I’m starting to wonder if we actually wanted Simms, Titans beat us to the punch, and we decide to pay em’ back by plucking their project QB of their practice squad

Folks, its hard to remain perpetually optimistic in the face of such incompetence

by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 12, 2008 11:18 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Don't Think It's Exactly That Way

The Chiefs have spent good money on free agents in the past, problem is that they spend it on players who they shouldn’t. Big contract for a Donnie Edwards, who’s getting close to the end of his career. Big contract for Napolean Harris who was never that good and who’s no longer a starter at linebacker for us (but we can’t cut him yet because of the cap hit). Big contract for Kendrell Bell, who was coming off a serious knee injury and played in a different style of defense from what we ran. Big contract for Ty Law, who was already showing signs of serious decline. Big contract for Patrick Surtain that carried him well into his decline years before it became feasible to cut him. Same story with our guys whose contracts get extended…big contract for Larry Johnson (28 and coming off a season in which he was ridiculously abused), big contract for Priest Holmes right before he hit the age when almost all running backs fall off the cliff. It’s not that the Chiefs are unwilling to spend money in free agency, it’s that when they do so they often spend that money on players who aren’t very good bets to be productive for the life of those contracts…and then we end up carrying those terrible contracts because it’s too expensive to cut them. And I think a lot of that goes back to Carl Peterson’s apparent predilection for paying players based more on past performance than on a reasonable projection of future performance, which is the wrong way to run a football team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

You are usually spot on

But I am calling shenanigans on this line

Big contract for Ty Law, who was already showing signs of serious decline

Other than his 2004 season (in which he only played in 7 games due to injury) his INT’s had been increasing each year since 2000…You could argue it was a risky move based on his age and injury history, but I don’t think anybody saw signs of “serious decline” before he came to KC.

by PVChiefsfan on Sep 12, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speed

His speed at corner was in clear decline…as Jason Whitlock noted at the time of the signing, most of his INTs with the Jets were as a result of smarter positioning, not an ability to keep up (probably related in part to the foot injury he suffered in 2004 that cost him 12 games and in part because he was 32).

I should probably have qualified my remark a bit, though…I didn’t actually have a problem with the Chiefs signing Ty Law at the time, but I did have a problem with the Chiefs signing a 32 year old contract with declining speed to a five year contract with a lot of guaranteed money. Peterson screwed up by giving Law too many years considering how old he was…especially since his declining speed ended up being the reason we only got one decent season out of him before we had to eat the remaining $5 million in guarantees on the deal.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And The Law Signing Was Still An Example Of What I Was Trying To Illustrate

The Chiefs’ tendency to commit large dollars to players based on what they have accomplished rather than a reasonable projection of what they will accomplish. You’d be hard pressed to find many cornerbacks whose performance improves after age 32, or who can maintain their performance until 37 unless they were just unbelieveably fast in their prime and have shown little or no dropoff in speed in the course of their career (e.g. Darrell Green). Ty Law was clearly not one of those exceptions when the Chiefs signed him.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 1:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're not shitty clothes b/c they're cheap

Wal-Mart has just mastered the art of shipping/receiving which makes them cheaper. Don’t blame yourself for their efficiency! :)

by primetime 07 on Sep 13, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scraping the Bottom of the QB Pool

I think we should sign every practice squad or waived QB and just make a 53-man roster out of them. Just as long as not a single one of them develops enough to be a starter, or for that matter a 2nd stringer on any other team. Heaven forbid we should go out there and get a good young QB. It’s not about the money; it just doesn’t see like they are putting eny effort into the most important position on the field.

by bamakcfan on Sep 12, 2008 1:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We aren't satisfied with our QB's?

I wish we would have thought about that earlier. Doooh!

Was anyone satisfied with Croyle and Huard? Farve would have looked good in red. We would at least be respectable then.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Sep 12, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Wouldn't Want Favre

He’s old, he plays a rather selfish and undisciplined style of football (has ever since Holmgren left Green Bay, which is why he hasn’t been to another Super Bowl since), he’s apparently not much of a mentor and I don’t think he wanted to be part of a rebuilding project anyway. I’m glad that we’d didn’t bring him here.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Wrong way to run a football team but therein somewhere lies a balance. I think you obviously have to provide incentive and rewards for those who perform every year otherwise players wouldn’t be resigning/returning. For instance, Holmes was not a good resigning but LJ was worth the gamble as he’s younger and showed future capacity to perform. The linebackers were not worth it in my eyes, but the gamble was on the DB’s (Law & Surtain). So I guess you pick and choose, just sad to have such rotten luck ; ^ )

by KansasCityShuffle on Sep 12, 2008 12:11 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re-Signing/Returning Players

I think you’re assuming that loyalty matters more than performance…it doesn’t, and both players and management understand that this is the nature of the business. Players’ value lies in what a player can achieve, not what he has achieved. There is no value in paying a running back a superstar contract because he got 1,700 yards the season before if there’s not a good chance that he’ll be performing at that same level for the life of the contract (meaning either for the length of the contract, or to the point at which it’s financially feasible to trade or cut him). There’s no value in paying a 34 year old linebacker a large contract because he’s averaged 100-150 tackles a year if that linebacker’s not going to get 100-150 tackles when he’s under contract to you. And players who focus on winning aren’t generally going to consider that kind of loyalty more of a draw than playing for a team that will get them a ring, or get them a bigger contract…and playing for a team with a lot of bad contracts will get them neither. In fact, that kind of management will probably do more to dissuade good players from coming to your team than it will to persuade them that you’re a good option…what you’ll usually end up doing is paying top dollar for mediocrity (which is what the Chiefs have often done). Paying based on past performance is one of the worst mistakes a team can make, because there’s no upside to it if you want your team to be successful in the future.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Sep 12, 2008 1:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

QB Coach

You know, some of these QB projects would make more sense to me if we had a QB coach with a history and ability to groom them once we got them. I don’t know much about Dick Curl, but I do not currently have much confidence in his ability to do that.

by sunny D on Sep 12, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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