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Hall of Fame football player and longtime NFL Players Association executive director Gene Upshaw has died, sources have told Clear Channel.

The former offensive lineman had been fighting pancreatic cancer.

He was 63.

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I had no idea he was ill. I wish his family the best of luck getting over this. -Chris

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by Mully on Aug 21, 2008 7:19 AM CDT   0 recs

Apparently

No one knew he was this sick.

by Chris on Aug 21, 2008 7:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Aug. 17,2008

No one knew he was really ill , except his wife and family. They didn’t know about the cancer till this past Sun, the 17th. He was 63 yrs old. ….His jersey number…..63… :>(

Igorash

by Igorash on Aug 21, 2008 3:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if this might be the reason

The supposed “coup” attempt was pulled back to oust him back in April.

“News of unrest at the NFLPA that surfaced yesterday comes in the wake of what multiple sources say was a coup attempt against Exec Dir Gene Upshaw that failed to get off the ground at the union’s meetings in March, as well as a deteriorating relationship between Upshaw and outgoing NFLPA President Troy Vincent. Rumors of a rift between Upshaw and Vincent — who has been dubbed by several media outlets as Upshaw’s likely successor …”

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/119898

by Lanier63 on Aug 21, 2008 8:09 AM CDT   0 recs

The coup is different

Upshaw had gone delusional.

He didn’t want a rookie salary cap because he didn’t want to take money away from the veterans. However, the veterans, a/k/a the people he works for, are losing money by giving big guaranteed contracts to guys who have never stepped foot on the field. And if the owners have to spend 59 cents on the dollar for players, that money that is currently being spent on rookies should be moved towards the vets.

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Upshaw Was Undiplomatic, Not Delusional

First, there are some gripes to be made about how Upshaw conducted himself, but the players themselves have little to gripe about for what he’s earned for them. Veterans in the league now have retirement pensions because of Upshaw’s work…before that they got nothing from the NFL when their career was over. He realized that a lot of the vets who’ve been complaining about their minimal financial pensions are in that situation because they were withdrawing their funds early, so he closed the loophole in the pension program so they’d get maximum value from their pensions. He set up a salary system that guarantees NFL players a set portion of all revenues coming into the league…baseball unions can’t even get the owners to open their books to see what the revenue stream is.

As for the knocks on Upshaw, the biggest gripe the players really have is that he didn’t take up their side sooner on the concussion issue. The NFL was sugarcoating that one for years, running a sham committee that ignored or dismissed clear evidence that the NFL was engaging in practices that created safety and health problems for their employees. Upshaw took the NFL’s side on that one in the interests of maintaining a good relationship with Paul Tagliabue, and Upshaw was very clearly in the wrong. Most of the other gripes about Upshaw, though, are either overblown or patently false. He was not a diplomatic labor head, and he made several regrettable remarks when the retired players were complaining about benefits, but his remarks were still accurate and overall he’s actually done more for retired players than any other head of the NFLPA.

As for the rookies getting guaranteed money, simply put, football is a futures market. Except for star players (who are compensated fairly), veterans get paid less money because their potential is less than that of rookies. The NFL is not a charity and the value of a player is not in how long they’ve been around…it’s in what that player can currently produce and what that player may reasonably be expected to produce in the future. A rookie like Jake Long makes more money than a veteran like Damion McIntosh because the expectations of what Jake Long will produce over the length of his contract are greater than what McIntosh has produced or can reasonably be expected to produce…so Long gets the higher salary. Unless you’re saying that you’d rather be handing a big long-term contract to Damion McIntosh instead of Jake Long, there isn’t much of a case that rookies are being drastically overpaid here.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes he did do a lot of great things

But the complaint is about the future. I respect what he has done for former players but the NFL is fluid environment where things may need to be changed quickly when they get out of control (i.e. rookie contracts).

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Only Reason Rookie Contracts "Take" From Veterans

Is because of the salary cap because it limits the overall pool of available money. With a hard salary cap each year, you have to clearly prioritize who gets the better contracts. The superstars and top starters (proven performers who will likely continue at a high level) represent the top tier and they’ll almost always get paid. Your best rookies (guys who are projected to compete for starting slots, usually based on where they were drafted) and coveted free agents are the second tier because they represent a possible major upgrade to your lineup. 2nd day draft picks (who are longshots, but might still turn out to be great players), journeymen, scrubs, and UDFAs are in the third tier for contracts, pretty much in that order…and when talking about guys who rookies are “taking” money from, this is the group people are generally referring to, because they represent the “low-chance of payoff” end of the talent spectrum so they get the scraps.

In a situation that allows free agency without the salary cap, you’ll probably see the third tier contracts increase a bit because there’s not a hard limit on what each team can spend (although the first and second tier guys’ contracts will probably rise too), so the third tier guys’ will be better off in terms of absolute wealth (what everyone makes). But as far as relative wealth (what you make in relation to someone else) goes they’re still not going to earn as much as the rookies because they’re simply not as valuable to their teams as the rookies are. The veterans in this group are usually just old guys and hangers-on who aren’t superstars and who probably never will be and they’re easily replaceable, so there’s no reason to give them big contracts.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No salary cap in the NFL?

Is that what you’re saying? Why would it be any different than MLB?

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Salary Cap

Currently, with the owners opting out of the collective bargaining agreement, there’s not going to be a salary cap after the 2009 season. However, this is allayed a bit by the fact that at that point players won’t be able to get unrestricted free agency until they’ve reached 6 years of service (instead of the current four) so there will be a bit of a delay before the full effects are readily apparent.

As for the NFL becoming like MLB, it would be different because salaries still wouldn’t be guaranteed like MLB’s are (baseball players’ guaranteed salaries are part of their labor agreement, and I doubt the NFL owners would ever agree to do fully guaranteed contracts because of the frequency of injuries in football) so you’re not talking about tons players getting overpaid. It would allow teams to recover more quickly from bad free agent signings because there’d be no cap hits for the guaranteed money in long-term contracts, so teams aren’t going to be forced to burn a roster spot on a player like Kendrell Bell just because they’re afraid of ending up in salary cap hell the next year. The longer wait to free agency is going to hurt for the top young talent, but you’ll still see talented older veterans show up on the market and you’ll probably see a few more UDFA-type players get a shot at the pros because a few more roster spots will open up now that teams don’t have to hang onto dead contracts.

I’m also not particularly worried about the competitive balance in the league without a salary cap. Baseball’s got the closest thing to full free agency and their competitive balance is pretty good. Teams like Oakland, Minnesota, Florida and Milwaukee have been able to field playoff-caliber teams with some of baseball’s lowest payrolls. Big market teams will have advantages in being able to bid for players, but there’s still a limit to the number of quality players those teams can sign (since only so many guys can start and good players want to start) and as the Dodgers and Yankees have proven in baseball recently a huge payroll is no guarantee of championship success…teams with good management who use their resources wisely will still win football games.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 11:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As For Rookie Contracts

I don’t agree that they’re out of control at all. The rookies get paid a lot because they’re worth a lot to the teams. Plus, if Goodell actually feels that the rookies are being paid too much based on their unproven performance the first thing he should be discussing is abolishing the draft (which gives the players artificial value based on draft position), not trying to cap rookie salaries. The draft restricts how new talent coming into the league can be acquired and creates scarcity…cutting your supply usually leads to higher prices. The most promising rookies, of course, will always be paid a lot, simply because they have the most potential and NFL careers are short, but I suspect the mega-contracts for rookies would become a little more rare.

Actually, if a new CBA isn’t agreed to, the draft disappears in 2011 anyway, so we may get a chance to see if I’m right. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And you're right

Delusional was the wrong word.

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He Was An Asshole, Though

No disputing that. And I’ll admit that I wrote some harsh things about him on my old blog a couple of years ago when the concussion story was just starting to break. But I also found after awhile that many of my criticisms of him were unfounded and that if you dig into the details of the work he did, he was probably the best head the NFLPA ever had. Before Upshaw the NFLPA was run by people who were more interested in either just having a job or getting into screaming matches with the NFL than with getting things accomplished, and the players weren’t very well represented. Upshaw got a lot done for the players and he did so without needing to strike continuously (which is an often pointless and counterproductive endeavor) or to demonize the NFL in the press to make himself look good (which usually insures continued problems). You could make the argument that sometimes he was too cozy with the NFL, but much of that’s just a factor of the NFLPA’s inherent conflict of interest (the NFLPA isn’t a union and Upshaw’s paid by the league) and when it came to most of the important issues (although certainly not all) Upshaw stood up to the league and represented the players competently.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unless you’re saying that you’d rather be handing a big long-term contract to Damion McIntosh instead of Jake Long, there isn’t much of a case that rookies are being drastically overpaid here.

Replace McIntosh with Jason Peters (or any young tackle, really) and I’d make that bet. Maybe I’m more conservative but I’ll take the “sure thing” (if there is such a thing).

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 8:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There's No Such Thing

The key question to ask is this…if I’m handing out a six year contract with a lot of guaranteed money in it and I have a 30 year old player and a 22 year old player of comparable skill sets to choose between, who should I reasonably assume is going to be the better player 3-4 years years into that contract?

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 11:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Guaranteed Contract

And rookies operate under the same contracts as anyone else. Their contracts aren’t guaranteed, a portion of the money in their contracts is guaranteed…same as with the veterans.

The only reason that Goodell is complaining about rookies being overpaid is because he’s trying to create divisions within the NFLPA to get better leverage for negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement. The rookies and the vets aren’t in conflict with each other…the NFLPA and the NFL are in conflict. And so long as free agency stays around many of the veterans’ complaints about their salaries are going to be addressed anyway with the removal of the salary cap (which was the biggest reason journeymen’s salaries got limited), which Upshaw stated clearly he wasn’t going to sign off on again while he was union head. Upshaw actually left the NFLPA in a pretty good position before he died, so long as the players don’t screw it up by sniping at each other.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The veterans want a rookie pay structure

The people for whom Upshaw worked for, the players, wanted a rookie pay scale.

If there is $100 million at play, NFL teams must use at least $60 million on the players. Wouldn’t the veterans want to cap the amount the rookies can get so they can get more?

The only people for whom a non-rookie pay scale works is the rookies – who don’t even have a vote in the matter.

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Veterans Want To Cap Rookie Salaries

Because the third-tier guys want to be overpaid for what they produce, the free agents continue to want the lion’s share of the revenue, and the superstars worry about what they’ll earn if they become third-tier guys. Their complaints aren’t about earning money on merit, it’s about gouging the next generation for themselves, and in the long-run it’s a bad strategy for the players because it will allow the NFL to downward adjust all salaries.

There’s a reason that so many pro athletes end up broke after their careers are over…a lot of them are economically ignorant, short-sighted, and think their skills are worth more to their employers than they are.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Downward Adjustment
The only people for whom a non-rookie pay scale works is the rookies – who don’t even have a vote in the matter.

Rookies take the same risks as any other player and most players don’t even make it to their second contract before their careers are over. Every time I hear a five or six year veteran complain that he should be paid more because he’s been around longer, I just remember that most of the rookies will be incredibly fortunate if they’re able to make it to six years, and that the vet who’s complaining didn’t have those salary restrictions he was demanding when he was a rookie, and probably isn’t willing to give back the money he was “overpaid” to the veterans he “took” it from.

I should probably mention that I have a pet peeve about hypocrites :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

Shocking in so many ways. Upshaw was a strong person to the end. And something like that has to affect a person’s mood, if he seemed particularly cranky the past year or so it would explain a lot. Praise to God for his life and comfort to his family.

And it will put contract talks and a successor in the news for a while. I’ll wait a while to comment about that stuff.

by sunny D on Aug 21, 2008 9:31 AM CDT   0 recs

Apparently

He didn’t even know he was ill until August 17th.

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I Saw A Quick Blurb About It

Where they mentioned health problems and possibly cancer, but I didn’t see any follow-up stories so I assumed that it was either initially overblown or the media had gotten it wrong. Sorry to hear it.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So who do you think the next Union Chief will be??

This is certainly going to stir things up a bit, especially with the owners recently opting out of the current CBA.

by Ochophosphate on Aug 21, 2008 11:24 AM CDT   0 recs

Troy Vincent, Probably

He seems to have the most experience and the respect of the players. There was speculation about Matt Stover, but he’s probably got a little too much baggage right now because of the letters (even though he didn’t really do anything wrong and he took the high road afterwards).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jeffrey Kessler

NFLPA’s outside counsel. Heard his name pop up too.

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not Familiar With Him

Whoever takes the job, the NFLPA will be well-served so long as the new guy doesn’t agree to any salary caps, finds a way to keep free agency around, and doesn’t let Goodell split his constituency by spreading dissent about the next generation is “stealing” from the old guys.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They selected an interim
After news of Gene Upshaw’s death Thursday morning, the NFL Players Association’s executive committee met by conference call at noon and unanimously decided to appoint general counsel Richard Berthelsen as acting executive director, the union announced in a statement. Berthelsen has been the longtime general counsel of the NFLPA and served as an active member of the union’s negotiating committee for the past 37 years.

Source: Sporting News

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 2:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN Reported

That Upshaw never really left a succession plan in place because he expected to be around for awhile. Probably not the wisest move on his part.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

People wanted him out

I thought he had made a point not to start a succession plan because he wanted to stay in power.

by primetime 07 on Aug 21, 2008 3:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably

It might have weakened his position. I think Upshaw probably would have done fine in negotiations for the CBA, but he also probably hung on a bit too long. When it gets to the point where you’re willing to cut corners on the long-term health of your office just so you can squeeze out a few more years, you’re not really being a leader anymore. Good leaders recognize that they’re eventually going to be replaced and should always have a plan ready to make sure their organization is taken care of if that change should come quicker than expected…at my office we call it the “hit by a bus” scenario. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 21, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I cant really comment on the business side of who he was

But on the field he was a hell of a player. I feel very blessed I was able to watch guys like him play our old Chiefs. Some of the down to earth best football ever played.

by Lanier63 on Aug 21, 2008 6:45 PM CDT   0 recs

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