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This is what happens when Croyle plays well.

Columnists start chiming in that he could make it.

Wow! What a notion.

Prepare yourselves for this, Chiefs nation. The better Croyle plays, the more we'll hear from analysts about how they suspected Croyle would play well "all along," when we all know the grim reality.

In the meantime, enjoy an optimistic piece of puff.

New offense, new start for determined QB Croyle
Aug. 13, 2008
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

RIVER FALLS, Wis. -- Don't ask me why, but I think Brodie Croyle can make it as quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs.

I'm not talking about the next Len Dawson, but I am talking about someone who can help get this doormat turned around. He's tough. He's smart. He's accurate. He's confident. And he can rifle the football.

But that's not what I like most about Brodie Croyle. He has been through the pressure cooker before and conquered it while at Alabama. Now, he's not only determined to persevere again, he might finally have found an offense that allows him to succeed.

Let's start first with Alabama. Croyle was heavily recruited by the school where his father was a star defensive end and his sister a homecoming queen. In fact, he was so heavily recruited that when he made his official visit there the athletic director lined up some distinguished alums to meet him.

"There was Joe Namath, Kenny Stabler and Lee Roy Jordan," said Croyle. "I grew up there, so I knew exactly who it was when I walked in. I just sat there for an hour and listened to them."

Croyle stayed at Alabama and, like his father, starred there. It wasn't easy. He suffered through coaching changes but wound up setting a passel of school records nevertheless, including most career passing yards, completions and touchdowns.

"There's a lot of pressure that comes with playing at Alabama," he said. "You can either make your career and live there happily ever after, or, if you go in and struggle, you better find another state to live in. That's how it was there, and that's how it is in the NFL -- especially in Kansas City. But I accept it, and I wouldn't expect it to be any different."

I like that. So do the Chiefs' coaches. They admire Croyle's resolve to make it in the NFL -- just as he made it at Alabama -- and they're convinced it won't let him fail.

"He got his chance last year," said coach Herman Edwards, "but, really, it was tough. He was put in a hard situation and he put his chin out there, got hit and never tried to put it on someone else. That told me a lot."

Edwards believes in Croyle so much he didn't have the team draft a quarterback, and he didn't have management go looking for a veteran backup to serve as a safety net. He wants Croyle to play and play now -- believing the more experience he gains the better he ... and the Chiefs ... become.

"He's going to make mistakes," said tight end Tony Gonzalez. "He's young, and the growing pains will be there. But the quicker he gets through that the better off we'll be.

"It's no secret that a lot of our season's success is riding on that position, and he's got to come out and perform. But he's tough and accurate, and he's always calm and cool. I don't know if he doesn't feel the pressure or he doesn't show it, but he's just going to go out there and do his thing."

Of course, he will. That's what happened at Alabama, and the results speak for themselves.

"It's just like anything else," said Croyle. "You have to learn. And the only way to learn is to get out there and do it. You can learn as much as you want in practice, but, until you get out there, every play is going to give you something different."

What is different about Brodie Croyle and this year's Chiefs is their offense. There is a new coordinator in Chan Gailey and a new approach to football. Gone are the voluminous playbooks, the constant motion and the myriad formations. Now it's football the old-fashioned way, with the Chiefs relying more on their running game and less on their quarterback.

That's OK by Croyle, especially because Gailey allows him the freedom to check out of plays with audibles. A year ago that wouldn't have happened. In fact, it couldn't.

"Wait a minute," I said to him. "If you saw something you don't like -- say, an eight-man front and only seven blockers -- you'd call a timeout, right?"

"No," Croyle said. "You would have to run the play."

Worse, there was no quarterback sneak in the playbook. You heard me. Zilch. Now there will be.

"I started feeling really good about this offense about the second day of OTAs," said Croyle, "because it's a lot of the same things I ran in college. It's a different terminology, but my coach (at Alabama, Mike Shula) coached under Chan at Miami. So it's a lot of the same things.

"(At OTAs) is when I started believing that we're going to be pretty good. Then when training camp got here, by the fourth or fifth day it was like (he snaps his fingers) there it is! The running game started popping open, and (Dwayne) Bowe and I started getting the feel for each other again.

"No offense to the other (coordinators and their approaches), but that was more a '1-2-3-4-5, this guy; 1-2-3-4-5, that guy.' And with this (offense) it's more like you're reading a concept as opposed to going 1-2-3-4.

"It's more like: Just go out there and play football. You're a football player; you have football instincts; we're a young team. So just go out there and play."

Croyle will do that. And, just a hunch, but I think he plays well enough to get this team back on track. Not this season, but in the seasons to come.

As Edwards said, what's going on this year is all about "doing something for the long haul." Look for Croyle to do most of the hauling.

"Nobody has expectations for us," he said. "You look anywhere, and everybody's like, 'Aw, they'll be lucky to win four games this year.' That's not a bad spot to be in."

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Ehhhhhhhh

(First of all, I am a longtime reader, first-time post…er…plan to do it more often)

I don’t like everyone getting high on Croyle, makes me uncomfortable. They are setting it up for us to be a sexy team in a year or two and they can say they have been on board all along. Also, it is pretty evident that despite his quote gatherings and whatnot that he has not followed Croyle for long. Calling an injury-prone (ish) QB “tough” is kind of an indication.

Lastly, something I have noticed about Croyle’s history with us is that he plays much better against the defense he is most familiar with, Tampa Two (See: Indy, Chicago), but not so great against more exotic and complex defensive schemes.

I guess we will see…New England will tell us alot I imagine….

by woodman212 on Aug 14, 2008 12:55 AM CDT   0 recs

Interesting note regarding type of defense

That would be cool to track.
Welcome. Look forward to your other thoughts.

by sunny D on Aug 14, 2008 1:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hard to say

that the guy is joining the bandwagon this late in the game. I don’t know Clark Judge’s work at all…I’m guessing nobody around here has really followed Clark Judge throughout his writing career. As Judge says, Croyle is Alabama’s all time passing leader in “career passing yards, completions and touchdowns.” We’re talking about one of the most heralded programs in all of College Sports. ‘Bama Football. Now, they have always predominantly been a running team, so passing records aren’t gold there, like they would be at USC, Hawaii, Texas Tech, or a myriad other schools, but the kid is good when he has time to throw and can work full-time with his receivers.

About his “tough”ness…here’s what I’ll say: I like Croyle’s chances, if he stays healthy. :)

Let’s hope that we’re all jumping on Judge’s bandwagon this year…because he’s trying to start one now.

by stlfan on Aug 14, 2008 7:03 AM CDT   0 recs

I still don't buy

the “injury-prone” stuff – Croyle had crappy luck in college…ACL injuries don’t occur because you are weak or have some problem with your physical makeup or conditioning – they are freak accidents, and accidents which QB’s have a higher than normal chance of suffering due to the giant DE’s who are usually diving at the QB from the side…one hit to the side of the knee and pow! there goes an ACL. It is a serious case of bad luck to have an ACL blown out, and an even more ridiculous case to have TWO ACL’s blown out. But Croyle came back from both of those injuries. Last year, he was injured twice. The first injury came on a hit on the 3rd play from scrimmage – Croyle finished the game, playing with bruised ribs. The second injury happened because Croyle tried to act like Trent Green and take a defensive lineman. That is the only one of Croyle’s 4 major injuries I can fault him for in any way.

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 14, 2008 8:36 AM CDT   0 recs

It Wasn't Just One Thing

He’s blown out both of his ACLs. He also broke ribs and had shoulder injuries in college. Last year he was hurt again. Taken individually, sure you could make a case that those were freak injuries. When you look at the overall picture, regardless of what you think of Croyle’s ability, he has clearly demonstrated that he’s a guy who’s had problems staying healthy.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 14, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I never said it was one thing

and I pointed out both ACL injuries…put ANY human being in the exact position Croyle was, have someone hit the side of their knee with the same force, and you’ll end up with the exact same result. If you accept that “he has clearly demonstrated that he’s a guy who’s had problems staying healthy”, you also at least have to admit he has demonstrated an ability to recover. I knew guys in high school and college who had immense trouble coming back from just one ACL injury. Sometimes, ACL injuries end careers, sometimes they don’t, but anyone who recovers from one enough to play again has impressed me.

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 14, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Most Pro Athletes Have An Ability To Recover From Serious Injuries

The problem is that a) when they get serious injuries they’re not on the field, so b) they’re not helping the team, and c) if they keep picking up those injuries, eventually they stop being able to recover and it destroys their ability.

Two ACLs, rib injuries, shoulder injuries…that’s a lot of mileage on Brodie Croyle, and frankly there’s only so much damage a human body can take before it starts to decline.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 14, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Injury prone"

Seems like there are at least a couple of points regarding “injury prone.”

1. To your point, PV — how tough is the person? Does a hangnail knock him out of a game? Or does he work hard at rehab, play with pain and play in spite of injuries that would sideline other people? It seems like Croyle can make the case that he’s relatively tough when it comes to playing through bruises.

2. How strong is the body? Is a person just not built to take it? Not big or strong enough? I believe I’ve read that Croyle has added some bulk and muscle this year. Not that he gets confused with DJ, but perhaps he has trained in a way that improves his likelihood of staying healthy.

3. My final category is one that I don’t think gets enough attention, especially for QBs. Does the person know how to keep himself out of harm’s way? Chasing down a large defender to attempt a tackle after a turnover might be brave, but foolish in the big picture. That’s a tough one for me, though, because I’d hate to go into the huddle after the team watches video of me pulling up because the coaches think I’m precious and don’t want me to get injured.

More importantly, though, as part of staying out of harm’s way is the footwork and the ability to drift away from harm after releasing a pass, for example. I think some players keep their feet moving and don’t plant their cleats so firmly. It helps them stay away from 300 pound bodies that roll into you at the end of a play. It keeps your body moving with the flow of humaity coming at you so that those legs aren’t at a complete stand still when you get hit from the side or the back.

I can’t prove this last hypothesis. And I don’t believe a player can avoid all injuries. There’s some luck. But it also strikes me that Favre, Marino, Elway, Brady and others who play a high percentage of time without getting knocked out must have some sense of how to move and stand among the jungle of bodies. Without that sense, I believe a player will succumb to the injury prone label. Let’s hope Croyle has that sense and that the two ACLs were both situations that were impossible to avoid.

by sunny D on Aug 14, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent Points All

Especially regarding your third point. I’m less optimistic about Croyle’s ability to stay out of situations where he’s getting clobbered because it seems, looking at his injury history, that he’s had trouble doing that going all the way back to high school. “Elusiveness” is probably more of an intangible quality than a measureable (except in Madden), but I think it factors into how effective a player, particularly a QB, is…and I’m not so sure that Croyle is one of those players who is elusive enough to survive in the NFL (since it would appear he’s struggled to do so at every other level).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 14, 2008 11:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep

There’s a balance for NFL QBs in being tough and being smart about living to take another snap. I think Brodie is fairly courageous and willing to “hang tough — hold on to the ball — wait til the last second.” Qualities praised by people in the safe, comfortable announcers’ booth. With this new roll-out stuff, we have to hope that Croyle will get down faster than Trent Green on those few occassions he is bound to attempt to run 5 for the first down. Here’s hoping for a sense of elusiveness and intelligence that you don’t get to practice very much when you’re wearing the yellow jersey the rest of the week. And that his teammates will understand and let him know it’s okay for him to slide.

by sunny D on Aug 14, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He already one upped Trent

in the “scramble for the first down but slide you fool!” department – I really like the bootleg and the naked bootleg in our offense…every time we ran it either the fullback or TE was WIDE open

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 14, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes!

This offense (Chan’s) will be sooooooooooo much more effective, even if the talent level on the line has remained similar. And with time and a healthy Albert, the line will get better. I also am a fan of Niswanger so far.

by sunny D on Aug 14, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would expect

that by the end of the season, Waters will be the only older guy left on the starting line. Also, I can already tell our current line is better than the wet toilet paper of 2007…

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 14, 2008 3:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Trick play concern

As much as I like the direct snap play, I am a little concerned about the liability of having Croyle out there where Champ Bailey or an OLB thinks it’s open season on the slot receiver with a 12 on his jersey. I guess I’m not exactly sure what the limits of bumping in the first five yards are, but it make Croyle fair game, it seems to me, until the whistle blows.

by sunny D on Aug 14, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm wondering

if we aren’t running that direct snap to set one team [insert Asshat Brady -led jerkoff’s here] up for a play where the RB takes the direct snap, fakes the run, but tosses it back across the field to Croyle who throws a bomb to a wide open WR.

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 14, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a little college

but I have seen crazier stuff in the NFL occasionally

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 14, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know what you mean

That they must have variations of things the whole world sees them do in practice. Chan’s no dummy.

by sunny D on Aug 14, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Marino

I think he was a bit of a special case, though, because of that ultra-quick release of his (I swear it’s still the fastest I’ve ever seen) and not so much his elusiveness. He got hammered by defenders a lot in his career…a lot. Frankly, I think that his offensive linemen should have been tithing him 10% of their paychecks because based on how horrific Miami’s run game was and how often their QB took serious shots because if it hadn’t been for Marino’s quick release I suspect that few of those guys would ever have had a career worth mentioning.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Aug 14, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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