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In the latest twist, the Packers have filed tampering charges with the league office against the Minnesota Vikings for alleged communication with Favre, still technically a member of Green Bay, FOXSports.com has learned.

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And we thought . . .

the Trent Green situation was ugly. Sheeesh!

by Halfbreed5050 on Jul 16, 2008 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

No Sympathy For Favre Whatsoever

The dude’s held the Packers franchise hostage for three or four years now with his annual retirement musings. He can’t commit to football, he doesn’t want to work as hard on preparation every week, he whines about the team not giving him enough to work with when his team went 13-3 off of a good running game and solid defense (and he was the one primarily responsible for losing the NFC Championship game last year with an incredibly stupid throw), he says he doesn’t trust the GM because the GM won’t go out and sign the exact players he wants, and he gripes that the Packers created this situation when it was entirely Favre’s decision to retire.

I’ll say it now, the Packers are better off without him. I suspect the only reason he threw such a hissy fit about Moss is that he was pissed that he had to be more of a game mananger last season in McCarthy’s offense and he hated doing it. Moss, in his mind, would allow him to play the kind of football he wants. He wants to be a gunslinger who throws the ball into triple coverage for the big play because at some point it became more important for Brett Favre to look like the hero rather than doing what it takes for his team to win. That’s why he goes off the reservation in big games like the NFC Championship. That’s why he does stuff like throw 6 INTs in a playoff game. That’s a large part of the reason Green Bay doesn’t win…because he tries to play hero and costs his team big games and for years nobody called him on it because he’s Brett Favre.

Heck, check out his career stats in the playoffs to see what I’m saying. He hasn’t been Brett Favre since Mike Holmgren left in 1998. He’s just been a gunslinging QB who’s as likely to put his team out of a game as to help them advance.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00_playoffs.htm

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Jul 17, 2008 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

At least he gets there

Save 00-01 and 06-07, he gets into the playoffs.

He probably would have had another Super Bowl appearance if it weren’t for those Cowboys/49ers teams of the early to mid 90s.

by Joel Thorman on Jul 17, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah but lately

his TD to INT ratio is taking a dive.

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 17, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Agree That Favre Had An Excellent Season

Problem is, I think it was a dead cat bounce (a temporary resurgence before hitting bottom). At his retirement press conference he said he didn’t like working as hard at game prep, which McCarthy had him do a lot of last year. Even though McCarthy’s system is obviously a good fit for his skills, I think Favre actually disliked being a game manager despite the success created by doing so. He’s always given me the impression of someone who hates having to tailor his game to circumstances. Which may make him a flashy QB and fun to watch but, as history has shown, it’s not going to win you a lot of Super Bowls. Favre was a more successful QB when he didn’t fling the ball with abandon and create turnovers…back when Holmgren was running the show. That’s largely why I think that the Packers will be better off without him, because he’ s more interested in playing his game than he is with the success of the team. I think he’s definitely showed this offseason that helping a team to win is not as high of a priority as him getting his way. Which doesn’t necessarily make him a bad person (because most of us like when things turn out our way), but it does make him a rather crappy leader.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Jul 18, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Post-Season Stats Post-Holmgren

The 1998 playoffs (where they lost to the Broncos in the Super Bowl) was the last year that Favre had Holmgren as his coach. He had one playoff series after that (2004) where he was good all the way through. In all of the others any good performances he had were followed by really horrible ones. Before 1998 his TD/INT ratio in the playoffs was 23/10. Since 1998, his TD/INT ratio has been 16/18. If you check his good to bad game ration pre-Holmgren’s departure you’ll see that the splits definitely favored the good games and that it flipped once Holmgren left.

Simply put, Favre was a far better QB with Holmgren than without (likely because Holmgren was the last coach who could challenge the foolish things Favre did and get away with it) and the biggest problem with his performance is a drastic increase in interceptions (which also increased to a less dramatic degree in the regular seasons). Favre’s become a markedly less-disciplined QB as his career’s progressed, which leads me to believe that some time ago he started becoming the part of the problem in Green Bay rather than part of the solution.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Jul 17, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Shows you far

a Super Bowl victory will get you.

by Joel Thorman on Jul 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Proven Veteran Syndrome

Guys who have one or two good seasons in pro sports often coast for years on reputation created by those good years (see: Darin Erstad) even though the seasons were atypical of what they’re able to produce. For Brett Favre, he’s been living off a Super Bowl win from 11 years ago and enjoying the reputation of a clutch QB, even though in the last decade he’s been more of a choker or a non-factor than a pressure performer who carries his team to victory. Heck, he could have milked another 4 or 5 years out of it if he hadn’t been such a choad this offseason.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Jul 18, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

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