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Community Projections: Tamba Hali


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In 2008, Tamba Hali will finally have the chance to emerge from the spotlight and attention of Jared Allen and be one of the featured Kansas City Chief defensive players. Entering his third season, Hali needs to show he can play at a much more effective level. If he doesn't, he runs a real risk of losing the faith of the coaching staff and the fan base. In my opinion, he's performed at about expectations in his first two seasons for the first round investment the Kansas City Chiefs made in him. I feel like I'm still waiting for Tamba Hali to arrive, if you will. He hasn't dominated a game in his career in my not-so-good recent memory.

I feel like, sure, the guy is pretty good. But great? Nah, not yet anyway. Honestly, Hali would be so lucky to even to even conceive of a season like Jared Allen had last year. I don't know. I'm rambling here but I feel like you can find my point in there somewhere.

YEARTEAM G TOT SOLO PD SACK FF
2006KAN166345486
2007KAN16594627.52
Career 3212291615.58

There are a few things in Hali's favor this year, or they could just as easily not be in his favor if you so choose to view it like that.

First, the absence of Jared Allen allows Hali to take over that right defensive end spot, which rushes at the blind side of the quarterback. Naturally, the quarterback's inability to see the pass rush plays into the hands of the defensive end.

Defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham said, "It’s easier when you come from the right side to do that like Derrick Thomas did it and Jared Allen did it. They were coming from the quarterback’s blind side. When you come from the other side like Tamba’s been doing it, you’re right in the quarterback’s vision. That’s going to help him."

Also, you could just as easily argue that the extra attention Jared Allen inevitably drew last year led to fewer blockers to tend to Hali. Now, Hali becomes the #1 defensive end. Glenn Dorsey's presence in the middle of the defensive line should help balance out that attention though.


Can someone please explain to me why there are like a dozen pictures of Tamba Hali with fans on either side of him, just like this one? He must be out and about quite a bit.

And, Tank Tyler and Turk McBride will be entering their second seasons, so you'd assume even a marginal improvement from the two of them. On the whole line, Hali will benefit just like everyone else from the addition of experience and talent. How much that benefit will translate into play on the field, that is to be seen.

Next, and this is an assumption, Hali should be completely healthy for the start of the season. Hopefully, he can end 2008 without any significant injuries. During his first two years in the league, he had a few vagues injuries. A hip injury in 2006 and a supposed foot problem in 2007. Both injuries could be described as nagging, seeing how Hali played through them. I imagine playing defense end, having to rely on your agility and quickness, would be much more difficult with a sore hip or a sore foot. Much more difficult.

So, there's a couple of things to discuss in there. I think Tamba Hali ends up with a double-digit sack count for the first time in his career. Ten, maybe eleven sacks feels about right.

Also, did we ever settle on a nickname for the guy? Liberian Nightmare? Did that catch on anywhere?

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I thought Tamba's biggest injury this past year

was his abdomen. I cant for the life of me imagine playing through that type of injury, yet he did.

by Lanier63 on May 27, 2008 12:51 PM CDT   0 recs

Thanks

I knew he had some “unreported” injuries.

by Chris on May 27, 2008 1:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did anyone ever make Tamba custom shoes?

I remember watching a game where the commentators where talking about Tamba’s foot problems and how they stemmed from the fact that his feet were too wide for his shoes. The cameras zoomed in on Tamba’s feet you could see how his feet awkwardly stretched over the sides of his nikes. It looked pretty bad.
In Liberia, Tamba always walked barefoot. He never even owned a pair of shoes until he came to the states as a teenager. Consequently, his feet are really flat and wide. I wouldn’t be able to walk with those shoes, let alone play football. The foot issue is legitimate problem, though a fixable one. Does anybody know if the chiefs ordered him a pair of custom cleats? It might be a bright idea since we just traded the best player on the team.

On the nickname, Tamba would probably know better than anyone that the real Liberian Nightmare is to be unfortunate enough to be living in that country. I’m sure you can rhyme something catchy with Tamba’s name without dredging up images of his bloody nation.

by mchief on May 27, 2008 1:11 PM CDT   0 recs

I think it was a play

on Christian Okoye’s old nickname, the Nigerian Nightmare.

by primetime 07 on May 27, 2008 2:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve also been looking at around an 11 sack year for Tamba. I think he’s going to look a lot better on the right side, and seem more dominant than he was on the left. He’ll get to the QB a lot more, but I don’t think he quite as good at finishing as JA was, so he’s not going to be anywhere close to leading the league in sacks.

by JayrodT on May 27, 2008 2:14 PM CDT   0 recs

Hali tends to go for the forced fumble

and swats at the QB’s arm…one reason he was not “quite as good at finishing as JA was”...it is hard to knock the ball out of a guy’s hands when he is looking at you…but when Hali is coming from the blindside, now that could be a totally different story (we hope :) )

by PVChiefsfan on May 27, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The PARADE is a big Hali fan...

Now the PARADE’s support has backfired before (the mistaken Trent Green playoff return hype). But, the PARADE feels this is a little more justified. I recall some sort of nagging shoulder injury, this could be a misconception based on some Hard Knocks footage of a massive taped up and iced down Hali, but I want to say I read shoulder somewhere else. Double teams aside, playing through shoulder pain as DE has to be pretty impressive.

Second, I can’t back this up with any statistics on “hurrys” (kind of a BS stat as far as how they’re counted IMO), but I seem to recall a lot of JA’s sacks were preceded by Hali passing behind or forcing the QB from the pocket. Hali was definitely instrumental in JA’s “contract year.” That said, there are some rushers who can get back there but never seem to get to the QB. This may have to do with the left v. right distinction, but regardless, I don’t think Hali will be to blame if our D “under produces.” If our defensive production as a whole is working, then I’m confident Hali will be above average to an elite.

It, like everything else next season, ALL TURNS ON THE CHAN.

Also, for nicknames the PARADE likes “HAL-I BOMAYE, HAL-I BOMAYE,” which is what they chanted in Zaire before the Rumble in the Jungle. Of course bomaye means “kill him” so I don’t know how comfortable America is with that either.

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on May 27, 2008 2:53 PM CDT   0 recs

One disagreement

“Also, you could just as easily argue that the extra attention Jared Allen inevitably drew last year led to fewer blockers to tend to Hali.”

I am not sure about this claim…I think whether or not Hali was double-teamed had much more to do with what the TE’s assignment was, and how sucky our DT’s were. If the Center could handle the left DT, then the guard could help the RT with Hali…if the TE didn’t run a route, he could help the tackle with Hali…Allen drawing the double or triple team should have only benefited one player, the right DT (I say should have, because even 1-on-1, our DT’s did jack squat for the most part last year)

by PVChiefsfan on May 27, 2008 2:56 PM CDT   0 recs

Sack or Forced Fumble...

Which is better? Which one is more likely to make you jump out of your seat during a game? While the other team can still recover the fumble, I’d say one FF equals about three sacks, wouldn’t you? Which stat is more impressive: 15 sacks or 8 FFs?

Eight FFs in two years jumps out at me. To go along with that, I keep reading that Hali has missed a sack or two because he went for the arm/FF.

Why do sacks get so many more headlines than FFs? Is it just because the word “sack” is easier and more fun to say? Are FFs considered too few or too lucky to make headlines? Kind of like blocked punts? And sorry I’m too lazy to look it up while I’m typing this, but how many FFs did Jared have in his career here? I know he had some, and I’m thinking it was three last year.

Where’s the love for the FF and the ball hawks that cause them?

by sunny D on May 27, 2008 4:06 PM CDT   0 recs

I completely agree.

I’ve been saying that for a long time! Forced fumbles are way more important than sacks. Yeah Jared Allen had a lot of sacks, but Hali was a lot better at forcing fumbles… and that makes me excited for next year with Hali coming from the blind side. One thing though I loved about JA was that he blocked and tipped a lot of passes too, and hopefully Hali can do the same.

by Vince D on May 27, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

You could also point out that sacks are likely drive killers too. They might as well be a turnover in a lot of cases.

by Chris on May 27, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True

I’m sure somebody keeps a stat about the percentage of times that no first down is achieved after a sack. Like o-holding calls, they can kill a drive. So sacks are good, and close to a turnover.

One of the other things that’s a little better about FF is that a sack would probably still allow a punt, and the loss of about 35 yards in field position. Vince, you also point out other important aspects D lineman bring to the game, such as tips and hurries and even things like keeping containment and drawing double teams. Sacks are just the sexy stat, I s’pose. :)

by sunny D on May 28, 2008 1:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not against our D

:) How many freakin’ times did we stop the run on 1st down, sack the QB on 2nd and 10, and then give up a 16 yard pass on 3rd and 15? Made me want to shoot myself in the face…

by PVChiefsfan on May 28, 2008 7:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think its unfair to compare Tamba Hali with the Jared Allen of today

Alot of people are comparing a young DE in his first two seasons to Jared Allen in his fourth season. I think thats an unfair comparison.

Lets compare both their stats in their first two years:

Jared Allen
2004 9 Sacks 24 Tackles
2005 11 Sacks 50 Tackles

Tamba Hali
2006 8 Sacks 45 Tackles
2007 7.5 Sacks 46 Tackles

Jared has played his entire career at RDE on the QBs blind side which netted him 4.5 more sacks than Hali coming from LDE in his first two years. Hali however was clearly the more consistant tackler with 17 more tackles between the two years.

How much better would Hali’s numbers have been had he been coming from the Right Side those two years? Should be good for another sack or two a year I would think. And lets not forget that although Allen was the sack leader last year with an impressive 15.5 sacks, the year before he only had 7.5.

Jared is a good DE no question. But I think it is unfair comparing a guy that has a couple years less experience and is fighting through TEs and in the middle of the QBs field of vision to a more experienced guy coming in on the blind side, usually on an island by himself with the LT.

Allen was good, but lets not fool ourselves. He was not the best DE ever. He actually was only the best DE for one season. It won’t be impossible to replace him. I think Hali can have comparable and consistant success without Allens ups and downs.

by ChiefDJ on May 27, 2008 6:30 PM CDT   0 recs

"He actually was only the best DE for one season"

Which is exactly why we were not willing to pay him 74 million dollars.

by PVChiefsfan on May 28, 2008 7:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

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