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The Jared Allen Trade Redux

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When the talk of Jared Allen being traded really heated up in the ten days or so leading up to the draft, my reactions went from "Oh hell no!" to "Let's maximize the value of a guy who obviously wants out of KC" to "Maybe Herm is right, you don't need superstar players".

That last statement is gaining credence in my head. Well-paid star players often eat up a disproportionate amount of salary cap space, often don't pan out because of injury and I would assume invoke jealously/contempt in lesser paid players. I can't qualify that last statement but I don't think its a stretch to consider it to be true.

The more I thought about it, the more I was convinced that the trading of Jared Allen painted a much, much bigger picture.

Herm Edwards, not unlike the New England Patriots and their rather brilliant GM and head coach, is willing to let superstar talent leave Kansas City in exchange for guys that fit his system.

In exchange for a team. Teams win playoff games. Teams win championships. Solid players at as many positions as possible will win you football games.

Herm doesn't want the contract drama, the diva attitudes and insane expectations. No head coach wants those but the difference between Herm and others - he'll let those problems walk right out of town.

He wants, as the man himself would say, "football" players. Players that are hard workers, know their role and do their job. He doesn't want a player to expect a starting spot. He wants them to earn it.

Herm doesn't believe in a team that has dips and valleys in the talent level. He wants guys that play to the best of their ability and if that ability is at a superstar level, so be it. But he won't think twice about letting an ego, a contract or an agent negatively affect his football team. He has little tolerance for bullshit in a sport filled with it.

Don't take this lightly. After this off-season and this past weekend's draft, this is no longer Carl Peterson's team.

It's officially Herm Edwards' team.

Carl Peterson may still be the GM but don't mistake 2008 and the future for the franchise of the past. We're different now. Clark Hunt knows it, Herm knows it and Carl Peterson knows it. The Chiefs are focused on the draft as the building strategy of this team.

We'll look back at this year not because of the historical draft but for the shift in the attitude and values of the franchise.

It's an exciting and proud time to be a Kansas City Chiefs fan.

Get on board. It's going to be a fun ride.

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Thanks, Chris, great post.

I’ve noticed I feel differently about this team than others in the past. Maybe it’s because we’re coming off the worst year in 2 decades or maybe because it’s truly a new era with the head coach leading the way.

by primetime 07 on Apr 30, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I had mentioned those 70's and 80 years in a post awhile back.

Had any of you been around to “appreciate” our underachievers, we all knew that the franchise would turn back around to where we once were in the 60’s and early 70’s. I feel fortunate now to have lived long enough to have witnessed the thing full circle. I was old enough to watch the very first Super Bowl and hopefully the good Lord will allow me to see the Chiefs in their next one, hopefully sooner than later.

Believe in this team guys, thats what make this sport and this team so interesting every year now. I would argue with anyone, that there is no fair weather fans on this post, because of regardless of everyones opinion we are all passionate about one thing. Our Chiefs!

by Lanier63 on Apr 30, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Absolutely.

While I may not always like all the moves the Chiefs make (ie-this draft and not taking at least ONE more OL, lol), I do have faith that they are doing what they think is best for the team. Since I came to Kansas City I have found a passion for sports, and don’t see that fading anytime soon. I have the Mrs. and her family to thank for that… and their season tickets to Arrowhead probably didn’t hurt.

The first time I went to Arrowhead (2003) was an almost religious experience.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 30, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Great Analysis

Hopefully the GM who replaces Carl for the 2010 season will still allow it to be Clark and Herm’s team…Speaking of the future GM, I know Peterson has said many times that he will not extend his contract again, but if we make it into the playoffs in 2009 and win one or two games, would he really call it quits? I have to believe he would want to stay around to see if we make it any deeper into the playoffs in 2010

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 30, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

So far so good

I like Kuharich as the heir to Peterson. If Herm stays on (meaning the team shows improvment from year to year), I think he and Kuharich are a good team.

Kuharich has a terrible history as a GM for New Orleans, primarily because of the Ricky Williams draft trade, but I think he was a victim of circumstances and had no control of the situation. Mike Ditka was clearly the one in charge and the owner demanded Kuharich give him whatever he demanded.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 30, 2008 5:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Jealousy Thing Is B.S.

Unless you’re getting up into the top ten players in the NFL, or unless the highest-paid player is putting out zero effort, other players generally aren’t jealous of big contracts. They may use another player’s contract to improve their own, but that’s just negotiating strategy…not personal feelings. It’s a business.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 10:57 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Maybe not jealousy

But do you think a huge contract creates a rift between members of the team?

Like I said, I can’ t qualify it. I’m more just guessing about the locker room affect big contracts have.

by Chris on Apr 30, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rifts

A contract may exacerbate pre-existing problems between teammates, but they aren’t generally the cause of problems. Most of the time when you hear players pouting, it’s because the market for them has changed and they’re trying to renegotiate their own deal…which is understandable. It’s often more an agent thing than anything else.

There are a few players who probably get jealous over contracts like that, but they’re generally either insanely talented and may be worth renegotiation or they’re just insane and have personal problems (in which case, they should be dumped the minute their performance doesn’t merit it). Barry Bonds and Gary Sheffield are probably good examples of the first group, Dick Allen (form baseball player for Phillies and White Sox) is the poster child for the second group. Terrell Owens probably fits into both categories.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

A lot has to do with the agents

Rosenhaus…perfect example.

The current Chad Johnson situation is shaping up exactly like the TO situation.

Ken Harris, Jared Allen’s agent, has one client and was looking to win the lottery with Allen.

CAA represents a ton of top players, including several at the top of the draft. How can an agent push for one player he represents while it’s hurting another player he represents?

Guys get screwed because of stuff like this.

by primetime 07 on Apr 30, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You're Right

There are occasionally conflicts of interest in there. Although I’m not sure where the Chad Johnson or Jared Allen situations hurt other players those agents represent. They do hurt the teams, those players play for, but that’s not really the agent’s concern. The agent’s responsibility is to look after his client’s best interests and that includes financial stability for after his playing career is over…his job isn’t to do anything to help the team, even if some of his other clients play for that team.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

But...

...I think it was the smart move to trade Jared Allen. He didn’t want to be here, he represented a fairly high level of risk for us given the contract he’d be taking on, and we got decent value for him in trade. No hard feelings towards him on that front…hope he enjoys his time in Minnesota and hope that the players we got for him turn out to be better.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Disagree with that

It’s not BS, current players hate it. Chris Cooley spoke out on it, specifically rookie pay.

The players hate it so much because they want a bigger piece of the pie. If Jake Long only gets $25 million instead of $57 million then where do you think that $32 million is going? The veterans.

They hate the system and it does create jealousy. Does it affect how they play on Sundays? Well, I have no idea, but I would rather have a locker room with good chemistry from head to toe.

by primetime 07 on Apr 30, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Chris Cooley Is Talking About Slotted Money For The Draft, Not Jealousy

And I agree with him on much of that, actually. The draft is the worst of all possible worlds for stocking your team and I think it ought to be abolished in all sports. It gives the player superficial value based on draft position, not necessarily ability. It deprives more proven assets of revenue. It also deprives players of the ability to go to teams and situations that are best suited for their skills (which also hurts the teams). It also increases the cost for teams by restricting the pool of labor and preventing talent gluts (which could occasionally make salaries drop). The draft is a perfect example of why socialism and sports shouldn’t be mixed.

Cooley is wrong, however, in that players should be paid for what they’ve produced. Players are paid on what a projection of their abilities are, not on what they’ve already done. That’s how you end up with a lot of crappy contracts like the Chiefs had last year (Ty Law, LJ, Surtain, Edwards, Waters). When you pay players based on past and not future performance all you end up with is a lot of guys who are eating up your cap space while underachieving for the salary they make.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And Don't Even Get Me Started On The Salary Cap

It basically destroyed the middle/journeyman class of football players and hurt the overall product on the field.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I don' think the draft is the problem

the HUGE rookie contracts are the problem…Jake Long will make more guaranteed money than LJ and hasn’t played a single snap…why don’t they just come up with a reasonable way to pay rookies? (not that I have any good ideas :) )

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 30, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

NFLPA ED Gene Upshaw said this
Every spring, the buzz from general managers is, ‘We need to fix rookie compensation.’ We addressed this issue by limiting rookie pool growth and fixing the maximum number of years a rookie could sign. The length of contracts severely limits players’ ability to move money into future years. What the media doesn’t report is that the rookie pool is part of the overall salary cap, and a player is only a rookie for one season. Clubs want the players to pay for mistakes teams make in drafting. We’ll never agree to a rookie wage scale in such a short-career sport.

If that helps your perspective.

by Chris on Apr 30, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah, I guess i agree

especially since I want to see the look on Al Davis’ face when Russell busts because he looks like a bigger version of Tank Tyler :) fatty…

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 30, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Upshaw's Absolutely Right

And if he survives long enough in his job, I think he’s going to be far from passive in the next round of negotiations in the CBA. He’s already said that the player’s association will not sign off on another salary cap in 2010.

Fact of the matter is, though, that Jake Long deserves more money than LJ because Long has got his entire career ahead of him and LJ (if he’s lucky) has likely only got a couple of years playing at a star level. After that, he’ll be just another aging, broken vet with a huge salary while Long will likely still be worth what he’s getting paid. You give a player a contract based on what you think he can do, not what he has done, because 1,700 yards two years ago isn’t worth a $6 million contract today unless the player can still perform at that level. That’s just life in the NFL (and pretty much every other pro sport).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It was reported by NFLN's none other than Mike Mayock,

that Mr. Goodell was very interested in looking at the NBA rookie salary cap and from what he’s done so far, he’s just the man to make something happen.

by Lanier63 on Apr 30, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wouldn't a lack of salary cap

hurt small market teams? Would you want to play the Redskins if they could spend 4 times more on players than we can?

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 30, 2008 6:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Getting Rid Of Salary Cap Wouldn't Hurt That Much

So long as the NFL hangs onto revenue sharing. Baseball was often cited as a sport in major need of a salary cap because “big-market” teams kill “small market” teams. And yet baseball has had a remarkable diversity of teams who’ve made the playoffs during the free agency era (and the biggest spending team hasn’t been to a World Series in five years). Most of the teams, like the Royals and Brewers, that were “small market” and didn’t do well failed not because of their market size but because of thoroughly inept management. But, once Selig sold the Brewers and Glass hired a real GM to run things, those teams started turning their fortunes around. Oakland consistently has one of the lowest payrolls in the majors, but they field winning teams all the time, because they put competent staff in charge.

The teams that people seem to think would be most hurt by the lack of a salary cap are teams like Buffalo or Green Bay. But from 1989-1994 (when free agency was around without a salary cap) Green Bay was able to sign Reggie White, which helped revitalize football in that town (they were horrible during the non-free agency period) and Buffalo went to four straight Super Bowls. Even without revenue sharing, small market teams can compete. They may be at a disadvantage in resources, but as the examples I noted earlier demonstrate they can overcome that by being smarter with how they spend their resources (don’t take on bad contracts, build through the draft, improve scouting and coaching) and exploiting things that their opponents missed. That’s what the book “Moneyball” was all about.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 6:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My wife

My wife accidentally found the paystub of a fellow worker that recently quit while cleaning out his desk that was in her exact same position with the exact same duties, but had been there half the time. She found that he made $0.30 an hour more than she did. She worked twice as hard and frequently had to cover for this co-workers mistakes, and yet, she made less.

If any of us would be jealous over .30 an hour, how much worse would it be if someone was making several million more and doing marginally more or less than yourself? I think jealously can most definately be a problem.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 30, 2008 5:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Situations Aren't The Same

First of all, from your example your wife appears to work in an environment where the employer keeps salaries confidential to prevent people using co-workers as leverage to bargain up (which is usually what causes the jealousy, not the actual salary, because it keeps pay from reflecting merit and causes resentment when it’s found out). This doesn’t exist in the NFL, since all salaries must be declared and therefore everyone knows what everybody else makes going in so they can use it for leverage if there’s a pay disparity (something that your wife should probably do now that she’s got proof of what they paid the other guy…or she should shop around for a better employer). Your wife isn’t upset because she’s jealous that the other guy made more. She’s upset because she found out her employer was undervaluing what she did and underpaying her for what she produced. Secondly, it sounds as if your wife also works for a company that does a poor job of evaluating its personnel or offering feedback if they’re paying somebody who screws up more than the person who fixes the screw-ups. This exists less frequently in the NFL because player performance is evident for all to see and when someone shirks, it’s very evident to not only management but also the customer base. Professional sports are, in fact, probably the best example of meritocracy that you could find.

My point is, the reason most players complain about how much they make usually has more to do with the disparity between their paycheck and the market price they could demand for their skills…not personal jealousy. The players who are that wrapped up in personal jealousy and not their market value are usually that way because they’re screwed up in the head…which isn’t the fault of the player making the bigger salary or the GM who gave him that contract. It’s a problem with the player who’s being a malcontent because he wraps up his personal self-worth in the size of his paycheck.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And Just To Be Clear...

...I wasn’t bagging on your wife or trying to belittle her situation when I discussed that example. I was serious that she should take up that pay disparity with her employer because it sounds like she was getting screwed. She should be able to get a raise out of it at the very least.

And that’ll teach her boss not to delegate cleaning out ex-employees’ desks. :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

In Fact...

...sane players should generally like it when a player gets a huge contract. It sets the bar so much higher for everyone else when it’s their turn to negotiate a contract.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 7:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Typo

meant “former baseball player for Phillies and White Sox”.

Too bad you guys don’t have a way for us to edit our comments so we can remove typos or grammatical errors. I hate leaving comments with errors…although this type of discussion format kind of invites them when you’re trying to respond in a timely fashion. Oh well.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 11:11 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I know what you mean

Editing comments would be nice, as long as people didn’t abuse it and change the content.

by primetime 07 on Apr 30, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Don't really want people editing comments

We definitely want that “in moment” feel here, correct or not.

by Chris on Apr 30, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That's Cool

It was more a minor annoyance on my part anyway. :) I just hate sending something off and then I see an error that might change the meaning of what I said. But I think most people realize that’s just how it goes sometimes.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 30, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Great post

I’ll always take a team full of average to above average talent over one with a couple of stars and their below average supporting casts.

by REMWHEN on Apr 30, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

In case anyone made a connection

I did not read this Gretz article before I wrote this.

Odd bit of timing for sure.

by Chris on Apr 30, 2008 3:30 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I really like this part of the article

Players with contracts currently occupy 58 of the 80 spots; the 12 draft choices have not yet signed deals. The Chiefs have signed but not announced a number of rookie free agents. They could ink as many as 22 of them, which would push the roster of signed players to 80, the new league limit.

So they are working with these numbers throughout this off-season 58+12+22=92 players.

Now here’s the first remarkable number: more than half of those players – 50 – will have been added to the team since January 1st.

Say this about the head coach: when he speaks, you can take it to the bank. He told everyone that cared to listen that there would be a great alteration to the roster after the disastrous 2007 season.

by Lanier63 on Apr 30, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Then I saw this

And just to re-establish that this is now Herm Edwards’ team, here is another remarkable number: 84 of the 92 players have joined the team since Edwards took over in January of 2006. There are only eight holdovers from the Vermeil Era or beyond: Dustin Colquitt, Derrick Johnson and Pat Surtain (joined team in 2005), Damon Huard (2004), Larry Johnson (2003), Brian Waters and Greg Wesley (2000) and Tony Gonzalez (1997).

A final round of roster makeover numbers: of those 92 players, 60 will be 25 years or younger in 2008. Only nine will be 30 years or older in this year.

by Lanier63 on Apr 30, 2008 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fantastic article

It took me a while to warm up to Herm, but once I understood what he was doing and how different it was from what the Chiefs had done in the past, I bought into it. I think we are slowly seeing alot of people that had already made up their mind about Herm when he arrived starting to change.

The pattern that the Chiefs have had for the last 18 years made us a good team, but it only took us so far, never took us all the way. But for Chiefs fans, seeing us do something different than what we have in the past is hard. But I think that as the changes being made become more and more evident that they give us a better chance to succeed than what we’ve done before, more people are buying into it.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 30, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Hell yeah! Right on man!

Great post! I loved the last paragraph. So many times in reading blogs all you get is negativity, especially about the Chiefs! Ever since Saturday I totally agree that there is a new day dawning in Chiefs football! Lets get ready to watch this plan unfold!

by jono of saintkarla on May 1, 2008 2:53 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs


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