Kansas City Chiefs Draft Day 2 Open Thread
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Sorry again for the late start everyone. It's been a whirlwind of activity here in Austin, TX. Getting ready for the flight back to KC now. Here are the Chiefs' picks so far.
Round 3, Pick #73 Texas RB Jamaal Charles
Round 3, Pick #76 Tennessee TE Brad Cottam
Round 3, Pick #82 NC State S DaJuan Morgan
Round 4, Pick #105 Missouri WR Will Franklin
Expect a definitive write up later tonight.
GO CHIEFS!!!!
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Wait...what?
RB,TE? wtf? and i don’t understand burning a third rounder on Morgan at all… i figured that guy to be a fourth or fifth round talent
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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:15 AM CDT 0 recs
RB, TE, etc
Jamaal Charles is a kick returner as well as a 3rd RB. If he can have success on special teams with the Chiefs, I think he’ll be worth it.
Cottam at TE is an ok pick. He’s a huge dude, 6’8. Big target. Herm had said they wanted another TE. Personally I was hoping they’d get Rucker and develop him at Tony Gs future replacment, but oh well.
Morgan I dont know much about. He’s either going to be a 3rd Safety or a Nickel CB. He played CB alot in college.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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and it may just be the Mizzou fan coming out in me, but I don’t understand the Cottam pick when Rucker was still available. Cottam was injured alot and only started 10 games…Rucker started all 50; and broke kellen winslow’s records in the process.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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Yeah I kind of liked Rucker too
Only thing I can think of is they may want a TE that can both block and catch and Rucker isn’t the best blocker.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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Rucker unproven as a blocker
Rucker pretty much only blocked from the WR stance… he almost never played on the line… maybe 1% of his plays, seriously. It doesn’t mean he can’t block, but he is basically unproven as a blocker on the line where he would take on linemen and linebackers instead of safeties, corners and occasional LB’s when spread out.
The Chiefs were looking for someone to replace Jason Dunn. He won’t be a starter because of Tony G, but when we run some twin TE formations and run, it is good to have a big physycal TE that can tear it up blocking.
by Ochophosphate on
Apr 27, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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yea, i know.
my comments aren’t posting 1/2 the time. but taking a player who didn’t play a whole lot, and has been oft-injured vs. taking a player who started all 50 games… that’s the main thing i was looking at.
having said that, i still don’t buy into cottam. but i will reserve judement until i see something more out of him. chiefs did so well on the first day, i will just let them do what they’re doing.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:23 PM CDT
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holy crap
just saw how tall this guy is…
that’s FREAKIN’ HUGE!
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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i can't imagine
shaq trying to cover him. (silly, i know).
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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seriously, i'm confused...
Why in the hell did they take ar RB over a WR with the first pick? it makes no sense to me. i’m also pretty surprised to see anthony collins fall this far. he’s undrafted yet, as well as booty.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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Guy from WI said Anthony was no longer on Chiefs radar
Don’t know what possible reason there could be, but apparently they have no interest in him.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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and neither does any other team apparently.
wierd.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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bengals picked him up…
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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Franklin?
I know there are some Missouri homer here that think it is great. I dont mind having him, but I think he could have been had later…..not sure about this one.
by mikeumkc on Apr 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT 0 recs
I like Franklin in the 4th
We need a fast receiver to stretch the field and Franklin ran a 4.37 40. Good slot receiver in my opinion.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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i think they could have had better talent in the 3rd, but whatever. the morgan pick is really puzzling…. the guy is touted as a project that could turn into something special.
seems really risky as a 3rd rounder.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Morgan
What Im reading about morgan on NFL.com is that he is raw, but has a ton of potential with good coaching (and you know how Herm likes coaching his DBs). But that he is also a very good special teams player. As bad as Special Teams were for the Chiefs last year, if they can get a good ST player that will also develop into a good player in the future, it might end up being worth it.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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true.
i guess this is why i don’t work for the chiefs… but i’m going to hope these are their BPA picks.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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it just seems like
the chiefs big impact was really going to made in the third round. they wanted to get 5 starters in this draft, but i still only see three. we basically drafted 3 special-teamers in the third at this point. it could work out fine, but i like the 4th round pick.
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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT 0 recs
Depends on what they do at TE
Herm said they are going to do alot more 2 TE stuff with Gaileys new offense. If that is the case, Cottam may end up being a starter too.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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Jamaal Charles
is the change of pace speed back that neither Johnson nor Smith are. I thinks he’s a decent pick. Still I would have loved to see Collins or Nicks come off the board in the 3rd for the Chiefs though.
by stram#1 on Apr 27, 2008 11:51 AM CDT 0 recs
Nicks
Nicks is actually still up there. I dont think we take him though. He’s already 25 and has had off the field issues
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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If thats the case
they’re still a lineman short in my view.
by stram#1 on Apr 27, 2008 12:00 PM CDT 0 recs
Where's The O-Line Help?
Chiefs passed on a lot of guys who could have been plugged into the line to take Cottam and Franklin. Franklin’s not a horrible pick, but I have no clue why they passed on Zuttah or some of the other lineman that everyone made a run on after we got Franklin. Just adding Albert (a guard converting to tackle) to our line is not going to be much of an upgrade over last year, and that doesn’t bode well for either the running game or the development of Brodie Croyle (who deserves a chance, even if he’s probably not going to be all that great). I gave the Chiefs an “A” for their first-day drafting, but 2nd day drafting is definitely a “C”.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Apr 27, 2008 12:04 PM CDT 0 recs
Jamaal Charles
I do like the Chiefs drafting him, though…he’ll be a good complement to Larry Johnson. I think he was a steal this low.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Apr 27, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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Some of us have been over on the recap thread all morning
Hi.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:11 PM CDT 0 recs
We all were happier with the picks we have made so far
than those over here.
All three were really good value, including Morgan who probably would have been a first rounder had he gone back to school and came out in 2009…
by rockchalk on
Apr 27, 2008 12:17 PM CDT
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with all the other needs
i think there could have been better picks made. we still need oline help in my opinion. the 3rd round picks are kinda suspect. while i like morgan and charles, i don’t think morgan was going to get taken before the 4th. could be very wrong about that though.
most likely i’ll warm up to these picks in time, but right now seems pretty strange.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:27 PM CDT
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O-line
The way its going, there are going to be a LOT of qualtiy Guards and Centers available in the 6-7th rounds when we have more picks. Plus we have a ton of guys on the roster now that could still do something.
Herb Taylor could play Guard. McIntosh will probably go to RT. Niswanger could do center or Guard. Smith could do Center or Guard. Svitek may yet improve enough to play RT. Alibi could do Guard or RT.
So we may not be as bad off as we think we are on the O-line.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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WR going to the Raiders
Interesting. Though as I said to Eccles, “I don’t know of anyone who can fathom the inner workings of Al Davis’ mind…best not to speculate too much.”
by gritsnyc on Apr 27, 2008 12:13 PM CDT 0 recs
It's interesting to the sentiments on this thread
We were pretty pleased by the value we got at each pick on the Recap thread.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:15 PM CDT 0 recs
+1.
Not as awesome as yesterday, but still really good value at positions we could use some help out.
Still a really solid day, I’d give Day 2 alone a B+ so far.
by rockchalk on
Apr 27, 2008 12:17 PM CDT
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I think we've had the best draft in recent memory thus far...
...but I agree that we have much work to do on the o-line. That said, I don’t think it’s a problem that can be wholly fixed by the draft. We have other positions that need help and such great opportunities falling into our lap at just the right moments that I’m not disappointed with the choices we’ve made so far, except taking YET ANOTHER TE. sigh
Post-draft trades and acquisitions can help build the o-line and fill some other holes, but this will be an ongoing process. Not rebuilding because we all know I HATE that excuse, but a process.
by gritsnyc on
Apr 27, 2008 12:22 PM CDT
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i agree
this draft is awesome. i don’t hate or love the third round, but as long as they were following their board, then ok. i guess time will tell with cotam and morgan… charles seems like he has good value where we snagged him. i just really feel like there were more pressing needs that could have been addressed in the third round… a’la:
picking early doucet, anthony collins, and pehaps cottam in the third.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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Hey guys!
Crazy, hectic morning weekend in Austin. Got an impromptu job prospect that may have me moving there in three weeks.
Many thanks to Chiefs n Chopper, who was able to get this thread started for me.
I’ve only gotten to glance at the picks today and they seem to be a little curious but pretty solid picks.
I’ll have a major write up later tonight.
by Chris on Apr 27, 2008 12:23 PM CDT 0 recs
Congrats.
This job had better not interfere with AP. Or we’ll hunt you down in Texas.
by DThomasReigns on
Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
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exactly
congrats. three weeks is pretty quick to expect someone to come in and start, let alone relocate if you’re living in KC. hope they’re making it worth your while!
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT
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It looks like ...
we can still upgrade the OL in the fifth and sixth rounds, yet. There are still a handful of good OG and C prospects on the board. Some that have good talent, but maybe questionable character. I’ll take the character risk in the fifth and sixth rounds.
by etp_stl on Apr 27, 2008 12:28 PM CDT 0 recs
Ike gone...
I don’t think we go Carl Nicks, even though we probably should, and instead go Owen Schmitt.
I would like it, but I would probably rather have Nicks or Scheunning.
by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT 0 recs
What scares me the most right now is
when do we reach for a kicker?
by DThomasReigns on
Apr 27, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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I thought
we picked up a couple of kickers in the off season already?
Blame my wife!
by sir eccles on
Apr 27, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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wait
medlock is gone? when did this happen? lmao… what a douchey-doucherton that medlock guy is. go back to cali and flip burgers kid.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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Best kicker on the board is left footed
that was the same problem we had with medlock where we couldn’t let him compete with anyone because the holder would have to switch back and forth.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 12:37 PM CDT
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Wow, Derek Fine just got picked up by the Bills...
Did NOT see that coming. I figured that he had a chance to be taken in the 6th or 7th round, maybe, but instead the Bills take him in the 4th.
Wow.
by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Derek Fine...Greatest Receiver EVER At KU!!!
Just kidding :) He was a pretty decent tight end, though. Kind of surprises me that he went that high…he’s a bit slow for the NFL level I think and his hands aren’t spectacular (although he’s a decent receiver).
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Apr 27, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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Jamaal Charles highlight reel
Man this dudes fast. He’ll be doing kickoff returns I bet.
by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT 0 recs
Who in the hell is Harry Douglass in the header of this thread?
by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT 0 recs
Good move by the Vikes selecting Booty in the 5th
T. Jackson is not their answer at QB
by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:46 PM CDT 0 recs
Not a big fan of JD Booty
but he is pretty solid value in the 5th.
by rockchalk on
Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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yeah.
i’m surprised booty lasted this long actually.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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So who is the consensus on who we should take?
Schmitt?
Nicks?
Scheunning?
Wildcard?
by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT 0 recs
Schmitt, Nicks or Justice
Our line needs more help than we need an FB, since we haven’t really addressed the OL since Albert
by DThomasReigns on
Apr 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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5th Round
Almost time for KC in the 5th. What do you think we get? I think we’ll pick some limp wristed QB if there are any left?
Blame my wife!
by sir eccles on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT 0 recs
if they take a QB this draft at all
it will be eric ainge or andre woodsen.
hahaha, i just heard someone on ESPN talking about john booty… greatest quote EVER:
“There’s no downside to with Booty, you only get upside with Booty.”
dude, i totally agree, lol.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM CDT
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I almost wrote in my post above "Vikes grabbing Booty"
but I had to change it.
by DThomasReigns on
Apr 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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yeah
someone told me he was rocking everywhere
by The DBowe Show on
Apr 27, 2008 12:51 PM CDT
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his name just allows so many great quotes to be out there. kind of wished he would have came to KC, would have definitely got me some booty… in teh form of a jersey.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT
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Id love to see Schmitt
Hes a wrecking ball of a run blocker, but hes not much of a pass catcher, so they may wait for Cox in the 7th round
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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Who?
We needed another corner, but a guy from GVSU?
I’m full of trust right now, so I’ll trust the pick, but we do, at some point, have to address the offensive line beyond Branden Albert.
Seriously.
We have 4 picks left, two of them better be O-Linemen.
by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs
yea.
albert isn’t going to change the line by himself.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT
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im glad
that we’re at least in some regard addressing the secondary. besides o-line, it was definitely our biggest weakness last year. i’m interested to see how our new CBs and safety work out
by The DBowe Show on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs
so
how many brandons are left on the draft board? or, for that matter, people whose names begin with “bra”?
by The DBowe Show on Apr 27, 2008 12:56 PM CDT 0 recs
more importantly
how many are offensive lineman? because we’re having a brandon attack this draft for sure.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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NFL.com
Indicates Carr is an athletic specimen, but has limited football skills. They say he is not physical, and his technique will get him beat by smaller, quicker WR. Don’t expect him to be a big contributor this year. The brain trust must believe the remaining OL options can be had in the 6th and 7th rounds.
by etp_stl on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT 0 recs
it's really looking like
the chiefs are taking BPA on thier board, which is fine with me at this point. but they have to come back to the Oline at some point.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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The team has a lot of holes, so ...
I agree with you. It looks like it has definitely been a BPA second day. I prefer to build line out on both sides of the ball, so I would have expected to see a little more OL help before now. That said, quality interior OL can definitely be found in the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds. I still am more or less ok with things, so far.
by etp_stl on
Apr 27, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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Carr
Not much scouting info on him, scary for a 5th.
But Herm was a CB, so I trust he looked at the kid in some way.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT 0 recs
Hello Guys
Sorry I’m late, God first then the Draft on Sundays for me.. Anyway i have been catching up on all that has been said, and I am good with the picks so far.
by Lanier63 on Apr 27, 2008 12:58 PM CDT 0 recs
what is this
“god” fellow you speak of? is that something on youtube?
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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i'm kidding
probably have to repent for that one, but seriously… early service.
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by IISaiNtII on
Apr 27, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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Hey, Lanier
We have kind of painted ourselves in a corner as far as the O Line now. We need 2 more OL and a FB. Unfortunately, we might use one of our 6ths on a kicker.
by DThomasReigns on
Apr 27, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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I think we can still pull it off
I really like Adam Speiker, Center and he may end up as an undrafted FA
by Lanier63 on
Apr 27, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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I dont think we'll draft a kicker
The only kicker worth having is left footed and that was the same problem we had with Medlock.
by ChiefDJ on
Apr 27, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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Here is a YouTube video on Brandon Carr...
Not a real big fan of this pick, seems to be a pick that will be cut when the final 53 is announced…
by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 1:02 PM CDT 0 recs
seems like
decent enough guy. he speaks pretty intelligently compared to some of the college players i’ve heard interviews of…
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