Kansas City Chiefs Draft Day 2 Open Thread

Wait...what?

RB,TE? wtf? and i don’t understand burning a third rounder on Morgan at all… i figured that guy to be a fourth or fifth round talent

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:15 AM CDT 0 recs

RB, TE, etc

Jamaal Charles is a kick returner as well as a 3rd RB. If he can have success on special teams with the Chiefs, I think he’ll be worth it.

Cottam at TE is an ok pick. He’s a huge dude, 6’8. Big target. Herm had said they wanted another TE. Personally I was hoping they’d get Rucker and develop him at Tony Gs future replacment, but oh well.

Morgan I dont know much about. He’s either going to be a 3rd Safety or a Nickel CB. He played CB alot in college.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up 0 recs

and it may just be the Mizzou fan coming out in me, but I don’t understand the Cottam pick when Rucker was still available. Cottam was injured alot and only started 10 games…Rucker started all 50; and broke kellen winslow’s records in the process.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up 0 recs

Yeah I kind of liked Rucker too

Only thing I can think of is they may want a TE that can both block and catch and Rucker isn’t the best blocker.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up 0 recs

Rucker unproven as a blocker

Rucker pretty much only blocked from the WR stance… he almost never played on the line… maybe 1% of his plays, seriously. It doesn’t mean he can’t block, but he is basically unproven as a blocker on the line where he would take on linemen and linebackers instead of safeties, corners and occasional LB’s when spread out.

The Chiefs were looking for someone to replace Jason Dunn. He won’t be a starter because of Tony G, but when we run some twin TE formations and run, it is good to have a big physycal TE that can tear it up blocking.

by Ochophosphate on Apr 27, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

yea, i know.

my comments aren’t posting 1/2 the time. but taking a player who didn’t play a whole lot, and has been oft-injured vs. taking a player who started all 50 games… that’s the main thing i was looking at.

having said that, i still don’t buy into cottam. but i will reserve judement until i see something more out of him. chiefs did so well on the first day, i will just let them do what they’re doing.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

holy crap

just saw how tall this guy is…

that’s FREAKIN’ HUGE!

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

Can you imagine a Safety trying to cover him?

by etp_stl on Apr 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up 0 recs

i can't imagine

shaq trying to cover him. (silly, i know).

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

seriously, i'm confused...

Why in the hell did they take ar RB over a WR with the first pick? it makes no sense to me. i’m also pretty surprised to see anthony collins fall this far. he’s undrafted yet, as well as booty.

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up 0 recs

Guy from WI said Anthony was no longer on Chiefs radar

Don’t know what possible reason there could be, but apparently they have no interest in him.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up 0 recs

and neither does any other team apparently.

wierd.

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up 0 recs

He must be a terrible interview.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up 0 recs

bengals picked him up…

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up 0 recs

Franklin?

I know there are some Missouri homer here that think it is great. I dont mind having him, but I think he could have been had later…..not sure about this one.

by mikeumkc on Apr 27, 2008 11:17 AM CDT 0 recs

I like Franklin in the 4th

We need a fast receiver to stretch the field and Franklin ran a 4.37 40. Good slot receiver in my opinion.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up 0 recs

i think they could have had better talent in the 3rd, but whatever. the morgan pick is really puzzling…. the guy is touted as a project that could turn into something special.

seems really risky as a 3rd rounder.

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up 0 recs

Morgan

What Im reading about morgan on NFL.com is that he is raw, but has a ton of potential with good coaching (and you know how Herm likes coaching his DBs). But that he is also a very good special teams player. As bad as Special Teams were for the Chiefs last year, if they can get a good ST player that will also develop into a good player in the future, it might end up being worth it.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up 0 recs

true.

i guess this is why i don’t work for the chiefs… but i’m going to hope these are their BPA picks.

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up 0 recs

it just seems like

the chiefs big impact was really going to made in the third round. they wanted to get 5 starters in this draft, but i still only see three. we basically drafted 3 special-teamers in the third at this point. it could work out fine, but i like the 4th round pick.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT 0 recs

Depends on what they do at TE

Herm said they are going to do alot more 2 TE stuff with Gaileys new offense. If that is the case, Cottam may end up being a starter too.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up 0 recs

Jamaal Charles

is the change of pace speed back that neither Johnson nor Smith are. I thinks he’s a decent pick. Still I would have loved to see Collins or Nicks come off the board in the 3rd for the Chiefs though.

by stram#1 on Apr 27, 2008 11:51 AM CDT 0 recs

Nicks

Nicks is actually still up there. I dont think we take him though. He’s already 25 and has had off the field issues

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up 0 recs

If thats the case

they’re still a lineman short in my view.

by stram#1 on Apr 27, 2008 12:00 PM CDT 0 recs

Where's The O-Line Help?

Chiefs passed on a lot of guys who could have been plugged into the line to take Cottam and Franklin. Franklin’s not a horrible pick, but I have no clue why they passed on Zuttah or some of the other lineman that everyone made a run on after we got Franklin. Just adding Albert (a guard converting to tackle) to our line is not going to be much of an upgrade over last year, and that doesn’t bode well for either the running game or the development of Brodie Croyle (who deserves a chance, even if he’s probably not going to be all that great). I gave the Chiefs an “A” for their first-day drafting, but 2nd day drafting is definitely a “C”.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 27, 2008 12:04 PM CDT 0 recs

Jamaal Charles

I do like the Chiefs drafting him, though…he’ll be a good complement to Larry Johnson. I think he was a steal this low.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 27, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up 0 recs

Some of us have been over on the recap thread all morning

Hi.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:11 PM CDT 0 recs

We all were happier with the picks we have made so far

than those over here.

All three were really good value, including Morgan who probably would have been a first rounder had he gone back to school and came out in 2009…

by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

with all the other needs

i think there could have been better picks made. we still need oline help in my opinion. the 3rd round picks are kinda suspect. while i like morgan and charles, i don’t think morgan was going to get taken before the 4th. could be very wrong about that though.

most likely i’ll warm up to these picks in time, but right now seems pretty strange.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

O-line

The way its going, there are going to be a LOT of qualtiy Guards and Centers available in the 6-7th rounds when we have more picks. Plus we have a ton of guys on the roster now that could still do something.

Herb Taylor could play Guard. McIntosh will probably go to RT. Niswanger could do center or Guard. Smith could do Center or Guard. Svitek may yet improve enough to play RT. Alibi could do Guard or RT.

So we may not be as bad off as we think we are on the O-line.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

WR going to the Raiders

Interesting. Though as I said to Eccles, “I don’t know of anyone who can fathom the inner workings of Al Davis’ mind…best not to speculate too much.”

by gritsnyc on Apr 27, 2008 12:13 PM CDT 0 recs

It's interesting to the sentiments on this thread

We were pretty pleased by the value we got at each pick on the Recap thread.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:15 PM CDT 0 recs

+1.

Not as awesome as yesterday, but still really good value at positions we could use some help out.

Still a really solid day, I’d give Day 2 alone a B+ so far.

by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

I think we've had the best draft in recent memory thus far...

...but I agree that we have much work to do on the o-line. That said, I don’t think it’s a problem that can be wholly fixed by the draft. We have other positions that need help and such great opportunities falling into our lap at just the right moments that I’m not disappointed with the choices we’ve made so far, except taking YET ANOTHER TE. sigh

Post-draft trades and acquisitions can help build the o-line and fill some other holes, but this will be an ongoing process. Not rebuilding because we all know I HATE that excuse, but a process.

by gritsnyc on Apr 27, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

i agree

this draft is awesome. i don’t hate or love the third round, but as long as they were following their board, then ok. i guess time will tell with cotam and morgan… charles seems like he has good value where we snagged him. i just really feel like there were more pressing needs that could have been addressed in the third round… a’la:

picking early doucet, anthony collins, and pehaps cottam in the third.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

Hey guys!

Crazy, hectic morning weekend in Austin. Got an impromptu job prospect that may have me moving there in three weeks.

Many thanks to Chiefs n Chopper, who was able to get this thread started for me.

I’ve only gotten to glance at the picks today and they seem to be a little curious but pretty solid picks.

I’ll have a major write up later tonight.

by Chris on Apr 27, 2008 12:23 PM CDT 0 recs

Congrats.

This job had better not interfere with AP. Or we’ll hunt you down in Texas.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

exactly

congrats. three weeks is pretty quick to expect someone to come in and start, let alone relocate if you’re living in KC. hope they’re making it worth your while!

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

ikegwuonu is gone

by The DBowe Show on Apr 27, 2008 12:26 PM CDT 0 recs

damn, I really want to snake him in the 5th

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

It looks like ...

we can still upgrade the OL in the fifth and sixth rounds, yet. There are still a handful of good OG and C prospects on the board. Some that have good talent, but maybe questionable character. I’ll take the character risk in the fifth and sixth rounds.

by etp_stl on Apr 27, 2008 12:28 PM CDT 0 recs

Ike gone...

I don’t think we go Carl Nicks, even though we probably should, and instead go Owen Schmitt.

I would like it, but I would probably rather have Nicks or Scheunning.

by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:31 PM CDT 0 recs

What scares me the most right now is

when do we reach for a kicker?

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up 0 recs

I thought

we picked up a couple of kickers in the off season already?

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Apr 27, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

wait

medlock is gone? when did this happen? lmao… what a douchey-doucherton that medlock guy is. go back to cali and flip burgers kid.

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

Best kicker on the board is left footed

that was the same problem we had with medlock where we couldn’t let him compete with anyone because the holder would have to switch back and forth.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

Wow, Derek Fine just got picked up by the Bills...

Did NOT see that coming. I figured that he had a chance to be taken in the 6th or 7th round, maybe, but instead the Bills take him in the 4th.

Wow.

by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM CDT 0 recs

Derek Fine...Greatest Receiver EVER At KU!!!

Just kidding :) He was a pretty decent tight end, though. Kind of surprises me that he went that high…he’s a bit slow for the NFL level I think and his hands aren’t spectacular (although he’s a decent receiver).

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 27, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

Jamaal Charles highlight reel

Man this dudes fast. He’ll be doing kickoff returns I bet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgOdDkjUo1s

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT 0 recs

Who in the hell is Harry Douglass in the header of this thread?

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:36 PM CDT 0 recs

Think somone looked at the wrong line

lol

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

Indeed

Just took it out.

by Chris on Apr 27, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Thought I missed some strange trade there for a minute

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Good move by the Vikes selecting Booty in the 5th

T. Jackson is not their answer at QB

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:46 PM CDT 0 recs

Not a big fan of JD Booty

but he is pretty solid value in the 5th.

by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

yeah.

i’m surprised booty lasted this long actually.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up 0 recs

So who is the consensus on who we should take?

Schmitt?
Nicks?
Scheunning?
Wildcard?

by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT 0 recs

wildcard

is my guess

by The DBowe Show on Apr 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

Schmitt, Nicks or Justice

Our line needs more help than we need an FB, since we haven’t really addressed the OL since Albert

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up 0 recs

5th Round

Almost time for KC in the 5th. What do you think we get? I think we’ll pick some limp wristed QB if there are any left?

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT 0 recs

if they take a QB this draft at all

it will be eric ainge or andre woodsen.

hahaha, i just heard someone on ESPN talking about john booty… greatest quote EVER:

“There’s no downside to with Booty, you only get upside with Booty.”
dude, i totally agree, lol.

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

I almost wrote in my post above "Vikes grabbing Booty"

but I had to change it.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

yeah

someone told me he was rocking everywhere

by The DBowe Show on Apr 27, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

his name just allows so many great quotes to be out there. kind of wished he would have came to KC, would have definitely got me some booty… in teh form of a jersey.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

Id love to see Schmitt

Hes a wrecking ball of a run blocker, but hes not much of a pass catcher, so they may wait for Cox in the 7th round

by ChiefDJ on Apr 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

CB Brandon Carr

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT 0 recs

grand valley state cb

by The DBowe Show on Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT 0 recs

CB

Brandon Carr

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT 0 recs

Brandon Carr?

by etp_stl on Apr 27, 2008 12:52 PM CDT 0 recs

Jinx

Blame my wife!

by sir eccles on Apr 27, 2008 12:53 PM CDT 0 recs

Who?

We needed another corner, but a guy from GVSU?

I’m full of trust right now, so I’ll trust the pick, but we do, at some point, have to address the offensive line beyond Branden Albert.

Seriously.

We have 4 picks left, two of them better be O-Linemen.

by rockchalk on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs

yea.

albert isn’t going to change the line by himself.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up 0 recs

im glad

that we’re at least in some regard addressing the secondary. besides o-line, it was definitely our biggest weakness last year. i’m interested to see how our new CBs and safety work out

by The DBowe Show on Apr 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT 0 recs

so

how many brandons are left on the draft board? or, for that matter, people whose names begin with “bra”?

by The DBowe Show on Apr 27, 2008 12:56 PM CDT 0 recs

more importantly

how many are offensive lineman? because we’re having a brandon attack this draft for sure.

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by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

NFL.com

Indicates Carr is an athletic specimen, but has limited football skills. They say he is not physical, and his technique will get him beat by smaller, quicker WR. Don’t expect him to be a big contributor this year. The brain trust must believe the remaining OL options can be had in the 6th and 7th rounds.

by etp_stl on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT 0 recs

it's really looking like

the chiefs are taking BPA on thier board, which is fine with me at this point. but they have to come back to the Oline at some point.

have you seen my baseball?

by IISaiNtII on Apr 27, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

The team has a lot of holes, so ...

I agree with you. It looks like it has definitely been a BPA second day. I prefer to build line out on both sides of the ball, so I would have expected to see a little more OL help before now. That said, quality interior OL can definitely be found in the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds. I still am more or less ok with things, so far.

by etp_stl on Apr 27, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

Carr

Not much scouting info on him, scary for a 5th.

But Herm was a CB, so I trust he looked at the kid in some way.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 27, 2008 12:57 PM CDT 0 recs

Hello Guys

Sorry I’m late, God first then the Draft on Sundays for me.. Anyway i have been catching up on all that has been said, and I am good with the picks so far.

by Lanier63 on Apr 27, 2008 12:58 PM CDT 0 recs