Wonderlic Scores
Since the Combine there have been Wonderlic scores released. The Wonderlic Test is a tool for employers. They use it for recruitment and retention of employees. It is a 12-minute, 50 question test that tests one's knowledge in a multitude of arenas. A score of 20 is considered average.
Here are the average scores for each position:
- Offensive Tackle - 26
- Center - 25
- Quarterback - 24
- Guard - 23
- Tight End - 22
- Safety - 19
- Linebacker - 19
- Cornerback - 18
- Wide Receiver - 17
- Fullback - 17
- Halfback - 16
This seems about right. Linemen and QBs are higher. Let's see how some of the guys AP considers "draftable" did on the Wonderlic.
John David Booty - 14
Jacob Hester - 23
Owen Schmitt - 15
Mario Manningham - 6
Jordy Nelson - 28
Vernon Gholston - 21
Sedrick Ellis - 15
Trevor Laws - 30
Matt Ryan - 32
Brian Brohm - 32
Jeff Otah - 28
Chris Williams - 32
Gosder Cherilus - 25
It seems as if all the linemen did pretty well. Manningham's 6 is strange, but his stock is plummeting anyway, maybe even to the 2nd day. Look at Laws v. Ellis. Do any of you think these scores are an indication of how well a player actually does in the NFL? If so, there's validity in choosing Laws in the later rounds.
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Dan Marino..
...posted a 14. Drew Henson posted a 42. Who would you rather have leading your team at QB?
Whatever it is that Wonderlic measures, its relationship to the ability to play quarterback is largely coincidental.
http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic/Wonderlic.htm
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on Apr 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT 0 recs
A small factor to consider
out of many, many more important ones.
by Chris on
Apr 25, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Agreed
All things considered, it’s nice if your QB is smart. But I’d rather that he was able to complete passes, avoid interceptions, and generally run an offense.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Apr 25, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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Agreed, kind of
I don’t think it’s a deciding factor at all. But it certainly raises questions when a guy who is already sliding like Manningham gets a 6.
QBs have to be able to retain information and draw on it very quickly and confidently. That’s the key.
by primetime 07 on
Apr 25, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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Hmm
Can intelligence overcome a lack of natural instinct and talent?
Do you want someone who thinks too much or someone who follows orders?
Blame my wife!
by sir eccles on Apr 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT 0 recs
Thinks too much v. Follows orders
A quarterback’s job is so much different. It requires the ability to analyze situations and make decisions extremely quickly. I think intelligence is required.
There is more thought to the game…..DEs and LBs in a 3-4, on the other hand, I don’t want them to think I want them to kill the quarterback.
by primetime 07 on
Apr 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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Drew Henson...
...scored high on Wonderlic, and he had all the tools of a “prototype QB”. He still wasn’t good enough to run a team in the NFL (and he had several opportunities to do so). I just don’t think Wonderlic matters much at all (unless, as primetime noted, it’s somebody who has a lot of other concerns). If the guy can perform, the guy can perform.
I see people who tout Wonderlic kind of like people who tout baseball players based solely on their physical ability. A baseball player may be able to jump 40 inches and bench press a car, but if he can’t make consistent contact with the ball, work a count, or perform any number of crucial baseball skills, it doesn’t really matter how good he looks in the uniform or how well he speaks. Same with NFL players (although obviously the skill sets you’re looking for are different than in baseball players). It doesn’t matter if the guy’s really smart if he can’t make blocks or complete passes or run routes because his footwork sucks or because he’s not a very good athlete or because he can’t maintain his mechanics. There are “skills” and there are “physical talents” and to be a good player in the NFL you need both.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Apr 25, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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I'm happy to see Trevor Laws do well
I really hope we’re able to get him in the 3rd.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 25, 2008 10:24 AM CDT 0 recs
Can you imagine our rotation in a few years?
If Tank develops into an immovable ball of fat like Williams in Minnesota and we have Ellis or Dorsey next to him, with Laws and Turk backing them up? That line would be Young, relentless, and probably damn good
by PVChiefsfan on
Apr 25, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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It could be sweet
I just hope we are able to re-sign everyone in a few years after we have rebuilt.
We’re in a tricky position: If we hit on a lot of these players, we will have to pay them all within 2 years of each other. We may also need to throw big money at Hali, Bowe, Croyle, Page, Pollard, and get a replacement for LJ, on top of paying the possibly 5 starters we get this year.
That’s the good scenario, that all of these young guys become good starters. In the span of 3 years, we may have to shell out a lot of money for possibly 11 good NFL players. I have a feeling this may be the undoing of the “Plan.” Getting all of these “possibly” good players in the same time frame will be a blessing and a curse.
The only hope is that Carl is not around at the time of their re-negotiations.
by DThomasReigns on
Apr 25, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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What did Albert score?
Plus, this is just another reason why we should draft my man Jordy.
by JasonM on Apr 25, 2008 10:35 AM CDT 0 recs
I don't know about you guys...
but on my team the better guys tended to be the dumber guys. Except for me, of course ; ) Although my center did score 1600 on his SAT and got a full academic ride to Stanford AND he was 1st team CIF/ County. But then again, he did lose it all for showing up to prom drunk…
I think the only effect it may have is determining how well they can pick up schemes, audibles, the playbook, adjusting their assignments and things like that. QB’s you could add quite a few other things to that list. But, if they really had a problem with things like that, they probably wouldn’t be top NFL prospects.
by Dustin SLO,CA on Apr 25, 2008 12:20 PM CDT 0 recs
Another Baseball Comparison
Dustin,
But, if they really had a problem with things like that, they probably wouldn’t be top NFL prospects.
I think you said it. It’s like Bill James mentioned in his 2002 Baseball Abstract when talking about Kirby Puckett. He noted that GMs often fell in love with players who filled out the uniform well, like Glenn Bragg (who had a really chiseled physique), and tended to dislike short, fairly squat players like Kirby Puckett (who was far better than Bragg could ever hope to be). Then he asked if anyone could put together a list of 20 guys who looked like Puckett who didn’t turn out to be pretty good ballplayers (as you could quite easily do with players who looked like Bragg). His point was that there weren’t a lot of players who looked like Puckett that turned out to be busts because they were usually extremely talented to even get to that point because most people weren’t interested in giving them the benefit of the doubt. The same could probably be said of the Wonderlic test with the NFL…Dan Marino (score of 14) may not be an exceptionally bright guy, but he produced in college and was able to compensate for his supposed weakness with everything else that he did (and he carved out a Hall of Fame career in the process).
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Apr 25, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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I wonder what the Wonderlic score would be for Carl and Company?
Maybe owners shouldn’t just evaluate athletes…
by Lanier63 on Apr 25, 2008 12:38 PM CDT 0 recs
A 6?
I mean that’s wow, just wow.
I’m not saying D. Bowe does his own taxes, or at least what the vacuum cleaned doesn’t pick up, but man, the guy went to Michigan, as if that counts for something.
Carl’s a lot of things, but I wouldn’t call him dumb.
Carl is like the Xiang Kai-sheck of the NFL, sure he might have landed us in Taiwan, but after Montana, the Vermeil era, Marcus Allen, you gotta give the guy credit for just surviving an pulling all that crazy stuff off.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 25, 2008 12:43 PM CDT 0 recs
Nah...
I don’t give Carl credit for surviving. He owes more to the loyal-to-a-fault personality of Lamar Hunt than he does to any admirable personal traits of his own. He had a nice little run at the beginning of his tenure and he’s been living off that like a camel in the desert for the last 12-13 years.
In fact, I’d argue that getting Joe Montana and Marcus Allen were the last big coups of his tenure because they were pretty savvy trades (even though the Montana deal cost us a pick that turned into Dana Stubblefield) that led to the most successful postseason of his regime. Priest Holmes was obviously a good find, but by that point Peterson was constructing teams that didn’t have a real shot at winning the Super Bowl so I think he just got lucky on somebody that nobody else wanted. Throw enough darts at a dartboard, you’ll probably hit a bullseye eventually.
Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.
by UCrawford on
Apr 25, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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