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There is news being circulated via several media outlets that the Vikings have upped their offer for Jared Allen to a 1st & 3rd rounder THIS YEAR and the Vikings 2nd round selection in 2009.

In my opinion, if we are trading Jared, this is a good deal.  We get 3 players which could all end up being big contributors but also helps to spread out the bust-potential out amongst three players rather than two.

Apparently this is the Vikings financial offer to Jared according to the Tampa Tribune:

The Vikings' contract proposal to Chiefs franchise player Jared Allen is believed to be worth $50-60 million over six seasons.

Roughly $25 million would be guaranteed. The K.C. Star reported late Sunday that the sides were close to an agreement, but this offer seems low. Dwight Freeney got $72 million over six years with $30 million guaranteed. Allen is more of an off-field risk, but has much better size and is younger.

This is pretty puzzling because that is actually a very reasonable contract.  Makes me wonder if Jared was holding the Chiefs up for ridiculously more money because he was pissed at the Chiefs or if Peterson really is just a giant idiot.

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If Jared wants out

I’d take it. If we still have a shot at signing him, we try as hard as possible to do that.

by Chris Thorman on Apr 21, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i would love that deal...

maybe im just being ultra-negative, but i highly doubt JA will be playing in a chiefs uniform longer than this season, no matter what happens from here on out.

so, why not pick up three solid picks for him and move on with our rebuild?

by rockchalk on Apr 21, 2008 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It seems that way

I think Allen just hates Carl Peterson that much.

by Chris Thorman on Apr 21, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn...

...still feels low. I’d rather have the 1st & 2nd rounders this year, but then this is probably a reasonable deal if I’m a little unhappy with it as opposed to adamantly opposed. The only downside to this is that I really don’t trust Carl Peterson to make smart selections with mid-round picks.

I wonder if we could package the picks the Vikings give us along with our first rounder from next year to get a top four pick this year? That would be one that even King Carl couldn’t screw up.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And...

...I suspect that Jared Allen is giving the Vikings an out-of-town discount. As in “he wants out of KC really, really bad”. He was probably asking a lot more from the Chiefs to stay…partly because he hates Carl Peterson, partly because the Vikings are a better team right now.

I think Carl Peterson’s made some definite errors in how he’s handled Allen over the last couple of years, but honestly Allen hasn’t exactly impressed me with his grace or maturity either. The more I hear him whine about how Peterson treats him, the more it makes me think that living the clean life for the last year has been misery for him, that he was only on his best behavior during a contract year and he’ll be back to his old partying ways as soon as the ink’s dry on a new contract. He’s a year removed from a suspension for two DUIs and he’s acting like the Chiefs have never had any reason to hesitate on paying him. That Posnanski column I think put the lie to his earlier comments that he’d give the Chiefs until July to send him to a long-term deal, so it makes me question just how truthful he’s been about being happy with his new, reformed lifestyle.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am worried about Jared too

I was initially furious about this, but since Thursday I found this about his new “bar.”

I mean, really, he has a drink called “Jared Juice” – Everclear and Fruit Punch, not to mention the rest of the themes. I just don’t think he can resist his own bar after getting huge guaranteed money.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 21, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft

Personally I have alot of confidence in the Chiefs drafting of late.

Everyone talks about not trusting Peterson in the draft, but if you look at the Chiefs history, how good or bad the draft was was clearly defined by who the Head Coach at the time was. When Schottenheimer was here, we had great drafts. During the Cunningham/Vermeil eras, they were bad. Now with Herm, at least in the short run, they seem to be pretty decent.

Peterson has said many times that he pretty much gives the coaches what they want unless he sees something that is a deal the Chiefs cant pass up long term (like Larry Johnson that Vermeil was very unhappy about).

So if you’re unhappy with the draft, I think it is more a reflection on the coach than on Peterson. His main job is pissing people off once they are on the team.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 21, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say it, but

I would take it too. We may be able to package next year’s 2nd from the Vikes and a later round pick to get another 2nd this year, if there is a player available in the 2nd we want.

We could even use our own 2nd next year, instead of the Vikes 2nd, since we should have a high 2nd next year too.

This just sucks.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 21, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It Doesn't Exactly Suck...

...but it’s not exactly ideal either,.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally...

Any trade that involves three picks I would be pretty much good with. Another rumor going around was the Vikes 1st rounder and both 3rd rounders this year.

Personally I think the more selections we get, the better our chances of getting some really good players that will help the team out.

I love Jared, but he is one man and a man that often disappeared in the second half of games when we needed him most. If we can hit on 2 out of 3 and those players be difference makers, I think this will end up being a good deal.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 21, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three Picks...

...but the jury’s still out on how well the Chiefs are going to do with them. So far none of the players the Chiefs have drafted in the Herm Edwards era have become stars. Bowe might develop into one or he might not. Same with Tamba Hali (who didn’t seem to improve in his second year). If the trade goes through, I wonder if we’re going to use our number five pick on a DE to replace Allen, a DT or if we’re going to reach for an offensive lineman?

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bowe

I think his chances of him becoming a star are better than 50/50 – give our QB some average protection this year and Bowe might be his favorite target. Other than TD’s, Bowe’s performance last season was almost identical to Plaxico Burress’...and he was in his 9th year

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 21, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowe Will Probably Be Good

but you just can’t tell with the overall team being in the shape it’s in. Particularly since our “QB of the future” hasn’t done much of anything to demonstrate he’ll be more than mediocre.

If we’re able to snag a good OT by the 17th pick, I wouldn’t be unhappy if we got Brian Brohm in the 2nd round if he’s available (and he might very well be). I’d rather have him than Ryan all things considered.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bowe

will probably be good? come on now.

by The DBowe Show on Apr 21, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Can't Tell With WRs

Lake Dawson looked good in his first season, until his knee turned into spaghetti. Sylvester Morris looked like a find, until he broke down. Based on his first season, do I think Bowe will be good? Sure, probably…but you can’t tell for a couple of years with WRs, as they don’t generally hit their stride until their third year.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just Saying...

...he had a good season, but not anything close to an All-Pro season, and he was the primary receiver. We need to see more of him before we can say that he’s great or not. Personally, I hope he turns out to be great…thought enough of him to put him on my fantasy team last year and will probably make him a bit of a reach pick this year.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Clark Hunt took over the JA negotiations yesterday, something to think about…

by Shawn on Apr 21, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This might be a rumor

Chris posted that earlier and the Chiefs Planet guy, or whatever site it was, came on here and said that’s not what they meant.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 22, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If The Chiefs Take Matt Ryan At #5...

...I will be tempted to throw something heavy through my TV set. Honestly, I think that kid’s going to be a major bust. He was interception-prone and had a mediocre completion percentage in college…doesn’t bode well for him to end up as a franchise QB.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If I were the Chiefs...

...and really thought we needed another QB, I would take Brian Brohm with our #17 pick ahead of Miami, Atlanta in the second round. Less money at that position and not as much pressure to start him right away. Can still give Croyle time to develop and if he does, we can ship Brohm off for picks later on. If Croyle busts, we have a decent backup.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 21, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd Rather The Chiefs Build The Line In The First Round

Brohm’s got questionable arm strength and was a bit injury-prone and once you get out of the first round the offensive and defensive line talent gets a bit shakier in quality. If he’s there in the 2nd round I’d say go for it because he’ll be a bargain. If he’s there in the first, I think we go for Derrick Harvey, Jeff Otah, Chris Williams, or even Gosider Cherilus if they’re available. Lines take time to develop too and none of the QBs in this class are can’t-miss enough for the Chiefs to burn a first-rounder on them.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think most of you guys know I like Kevin O’Connell at QB in the 6th round as a development prospect. Im just saying if the Chiefs really feel they need a top prospect QB, I’d rather take one later in the 1st than with #5.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 21, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1.

I want absolutely no part of Matt Ryan.

I also aren’t a big fan of taking a DE on the first day (and maybe not even the 3rd round) unless J. Long is off the board at #5 and C. Long is sitting there. I think C. Long is going to be a real stud, but other than that I would just stick with BPA and fill in a DE later.

Honestly, we should not be drafting exclusively on need right now. We ‘need’ someone at a helluva lot of positions, and even without JA, DE is pretty far down the list IMO.

But as long as there is no Matt Ryan, I’m good, really…

by rockchalk on Apr 21, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And If The Chiefs Really Want To Take A Gamble...

Colt Brennan is probably going to be available in the late rounds since he had hip surgery. He might be worth a gamble, I suppose, even though he looks more than a little like a system QB.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 10:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BLECH

I wouldn’t take Brennan if he were paying US 3 million a year. I watched him at their Bowl game against Georgia and in the Senior Bowl. His mechanics are horrible and he has a noodle for an arm.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 21, 2008 10:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

On top of everything else, he was charged with sexual assault at Colorado and removed. He also comes across in some interviews as Phillip Rivers but twice the jack ass factor.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 21, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

gotta love that hair though. it just screams “class” and “maturity”. and most of all “coooooool”

by The DBowe Show on Apr 21, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Noodle Arm

Not to be a complete contrarian, but I would like to point out that Fran Tarkenton (former top NFL passer) had a rag arm too, but his exceptional accuracy more than made up for it (and Brad Johnson’s had a very good career with a very weak arm). Having a cannon is not required for success at the QB position.

Brennan hit 70% of his throws for the last two years…very few system QBs have ever been able to pull that off. Timmy Chang only hit 57% of his throws playing in the same system. He’s at least worth a look if he falls to the fifth or sixth round.

Besides, it would be funny to watch Rivers and Brennan going at it…it’d be the Douchebag Olympics. And if Brennan’s that insufferable then you guys won’t be bothered when you see LJ refusing to pass block :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brennan

Brennan was also in the WAC when he was completing 70% of his throws. When he got up against real competition, he fell to pieces.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 22, 2008 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Colt Brennan It Is, Then.

:)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 21, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we do take a QB in this Draft...

I hope it is either Brohm in the second (surprisingly, I actually like that idea) or someone in the 6th or 7th round.

I would prefer us to use one of our 6th or 7th round picks on a project that allows Croyle another season of development without much pressure and allows us to develop a replacement if he sucks. And if both turn out well, we can make a trade. And if both suck, well, we can take Stafford at the top of the 09 Draft.

by rockchalk on Apr 21, 2008 11:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, That's Because You're Apparently Also A Jayhawks Fan...

Great minds think alike :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 22, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My last comment aimed at rockchalk...

Sorry if I offended you on that JasonM (assuming you root for another school)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 22, 2008 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Fair enough :)

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 22, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brohm won't be there

Brohm will definitely be gone by our 2nd round pick. I think someone will snap him up in the 1st round, but if not, the Falcons will get him with their 2nd. They said they’re def going to get a QB this draft.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 22, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the picks rotate

My bad, the picks rotate. I forgot about that.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 22, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's okay

the Falcons still go ahead of us in Round 2…in fact they go ahead of us twice, thanks to the Faders.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 22, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets not forget

Colt Brennan played for hawaii, which is in one of the worst divisions in football. This guy screams system qb and it showed not only at his bowl game against georgie (he did absolutely nothing) but also at the senior bowl he looked innaccurate, which is why he has been falling so hard. I would much rather someone like joe flacco instead of brennan he is asking to bust.

by Ben S on Apr 22, 2008 3:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's Also Not Forget

That his poor performance at the Senior Bowl probably had something to do with him tearing a hip flexor muscle in warmups…an injury which required surgery.

Besides, I’m not suggesting that we take him with a first-day pick. But if we haven’t grabbed a QB and Brennan’s sitting there in the 6th or 7th round and there aren’t any linemen projected to be that good, I wouldn’t be unhappy if we snagged him.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 22, 2008 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jump on this offer

We’re approaching Herschel Walker territory, and we know how that one worked out for Dallas.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 22, 2008 7:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This Isn't Close To The Walker Deal

In the Herschel Walker trade, the Cowboys got five players, three first rounders, three 2nd rounders, a third rounder and a sixth rounder in exchange for Walker, two third rounders, a fifth rounder, and a tenth rounder. The potential Jared Allen trade is probably a fair deal…the Herschel Walker trade was, hands down, the worst deal in the history of all of professional sports.

http://min.scout.com/2/11653.html

And the funniest thing about the Walker trade, the Vikings then proceeded to give him about 10 carries a game and bitched about how he couldn’t get 100 yards every week, even though he was pretty decent in his limited playing time for them. Mike Lynn had to be the most incompetent GM ever to work in the NFL. I mean, even the Cardinals and the Patriots of the bad old days didn’t make trades that insane.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 22, 2008 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walker trade

that was pretty bad, but I think the Saints’ strategy to draft ricky williams is tied with that one, or at least deserves honorable mention. (Actually, I think that the fact that Williams had his contract negotiated by a rapper may put him past the Walker trade :) )

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 22, 2008 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just a rapper

an aspiring NBA prospect.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 22, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Williams Trade

PV Chiefsfan,

Trading up for Williams killed the Saints draft for one year (and most second-day picks don’t yield starters anyway). The Walker trade screwed the team out of their top two picks for three straight years (where you usually get starters) not to mention the five players they also threw in.

The Williams trade was terrible (especially considering Ricky’s personal problems and mediocre production) but it wasn’t anywhere near as catastrophic as the Walker trade. And after the trade, Ricky Williams was at least given a full complement of carries every year (253, 248, 313). Herschel Walker never got 200 carries in Minnesota. The Vikings basically traded away their top picks for three years for a complementary back.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 22, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In All Fairness, Though...

I think the Walker trade was so bad that it transcended football. I follow most major sports, and honestly I can’t think of any trade ever that was as bad as the Walker deal. Not Heathcliff Slocumb for Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe. Not Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen. Not Kobe Bryant for Vlade Divac. Not Babe Ruth to the Yankees for $100,000. I can’t think of any trade where a good team has completely gutted themselves for so long to get a complementary player.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 22, 2008 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Williams

The saints also threw in their 1st and 3rd rounder from the next year…and I think they were only moving up a few spots. So thats 9 picks, two of which are 1st rounders, to move up and grab a guy in the top 5. That also screwed the Saints for awhile (losing back to back 1st rounders is tough, that’s why the whole Allen shenanigans are happening :) )

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 22, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Complementary Back

I agree that it was a horrible, horrible trade and Ditka was an idiot for doing it. But keep in mind that Ricky was still a full-time back for them and the focus of their offense. The Vikings gave away three number one picks, and three number twos (which eventually translated into Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, and Darren Woodson) and five players for a guy who they only gave the ball to 10-12 times a game.

That’s what makes the Walker trade worse than any other…it reeked from every possible angle for Minnesota. Aside from getting lucky on Jake Reed with the 3rd rounder they got from the Cowboys, there wasn’t a single thing to like about this trade from the Vikings’ point of view.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting something evil.

by UCrawford on Apr 22, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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