TD Pack Band not invited back
by xthreatx on Dec 9, 2008 8:59 AM CST
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PrintSad day in Chiefs history, the TD Pack Band will not be apart of the new Arrowhead Stadium. I guess the prime real estate they take up behind the goal post is more valuable to Carl if they are seat he can sell. I know I will miss the band, they were way better than the piped in music that is played at other stadiums. Here is the link to the story in the Star.
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Funny how things work out
Carl can call this young woman and tell her they can’t play anymore but he can’t call Gunther, Casey etc.. and tell them they no longer have a job?
She got her confirmation a few weeks ago, she said, when Chiefs President and General Manager Carl Peterson called her. He told her this year would be the band’s last, she said. "I said, ‘OK, it’s been a great ride.’ "
I guess he is cordial to boobs.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Now it makes me wonder what other traditions Clark will let him get rid of?
Is this slowly becoming the Chiefs the old timers no longer know?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
He already let him get rid of the winning part of it!
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
First they put Warpaint to pasture
…now Dipardo and his band. So much for tradition. Anyone that can support this mgmt. needs to really take a good look at what this organization has become.
What next? Let’s cut the cheerleaders as well. The $20 per cheerleader per game will hit the KC Chiefs budget,and they need to tighten their belts to make up the revenue.
OUR TEAM has become a sad state of affairs…and there’s more to come.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
They Take Away The Things That Make The Chiefs Unique
And in exchange they give you the worst team in franchise history.
I’m glad KU-MU is being played at Arrowhead from now on because frankly those are likely to be the best football games played there each season.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
My prayers have been answered
Although Tony is a fixture in this city, if I had to endure one more year of listening to his daughter CROAK out songs before the game I might have given away my season tickets. I like the band but that woman’s voice is like nails on a chalkboard.
Sorry to see the band go but good riddance to her.
I agree...
the band was crap. I do like the idea of having a pep band at the games but the TD Pack Band was straight garbage. I would like to see more marching bands perform at halftime, and more of the Marching Cobras.
Just a give and take
With the upgrades for the fans in the stadium, Arrowhead is alreading losing seating capacity. This just lets them gain back a little bit and they are in a prime location. I personally never cared much for the band so I can’t say this bothers me that much.
And this one is on ownership anyway, if Clark wanted the band to stay they would be staying. We have a new owner who just recently took over the team so it is no wonder that we are seeing some changes.
Losing seating capacity
…and making a killing on the suites. Or at least they thought they would.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Don't really mind about it
Dipardo himself is quite old and not really involved. The Chiefs are a business- sometimes tough cuts have to be made.
I think it's crap.
Perhaps I’m just one for tradition, but since the Chiefs moved from Municipal, The Pack band has been a part of Arrowhead. Not only are they shopping around name rights, they’re taking probably the one thing that makes Arrowhead unique. Whether it’s the TD Pack, or another band perhaps, I think there should be one. Every stadium seems to have their own little things to celebrate, NE has the minute-men, TB has the pirate ship with blasting cannons… The Chiefs had the Pack.
I guess tailgating is the next thing to go. That, or they will start charging people for tailgating on top of the parking fee.
have you seen my baseball?
kinda like Clevelands Dogpound being put to sleep?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
pretty much
…yeah, tradition is going away.
BTW there is going to be an upcharge for tailgating. If you park before 10 a.m. it’s an extra $20 fee. You will not be able to bring your own briquettes into the facility either. 2lb bags will be $10 tyvm. Also, there will now be a mobile beer vendor with “Carl Pale Ale” available at $5 a can. Vehicles will be subject to search and destroy for any adult beverage..same goes for soft drinks.
Any bottles containing breast milk will need to be taste-tested by an Arrowhead employee named Bubba. He has no problems going to the source of the milk to taste test.
Bringing blankets into Arowhead is strictly forbidden. Blankets are available for purchase at $50 per linear foot.
“Start Me Up” will not be the song during kickoff’s, this will be changed to “Money (That’s what I want)” in order to encourage a more College atmosphere ala the movie “Animal House”. “Hey it’s Carl, he loves us”…will be heard throughout the stadium by fans as he dresses up like Bluto.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
did I tell ya'll my name is Bubba?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Bill Simmons Wrote An Article Talking About The Patriots After They Upgraded Their Stadium
They drove all the tailgaters out so it wouldn’t take business away from their in-stadium restaurants.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
New Arrowhead Pros and Cons
I love the fact that the stadium is being updated, it was beginning to look like a ’70’s relic. All the structural changes are Pro’s…
HOWEVER,
I am really scared that the “New” arrowhead will not embody all the things that make Arrowhead great….
The thing that scares me is this new “cocktail lounge” in the sky box….are you kidding me?? This is inviting the mass of stuck up snobs that would rather sip a chocolate-tini that tell Philip Rivers or Cutler to go have intercourse with themselves. Has anybody here been to a Ram’s game??? Shudder, its terrible…a bunch of idiots wearing polos and dock shoes sipping bottled wine who don’t know that you’re supposed to be loud on 3rd down. The thing that makes our stadium great is the blue-collar types (even if they work white collar jobs) that truly love football. they get out there a couple of hours early and pound some beers while they cook some brauts. I feel like this cocktail lounge and what have you is getting away form the more college like atmosphere that made this place so hard to play in for years.
The in stadium restaurants REALLY scare me, thats not what the chiefs are about. They are about tailgating and a bunch of beer drinking midwesterns screaming bloody murder (especially on 3rd down) and talking sh*t to the other team.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Hold up, playboy...
There are plenty of us who work white collar jobs and have even whiter collar attitudes who know how to get down. Those of us who only drink the finest Andre Champagne, eat only the finest heavily processed pig, and smoke only the finest nuggets. Despite my taste for life’s finer things, I still manage to talk plenty of shit on the undead Darrent Williams and remind Culter that he’s nothing more than a diabetic asshole.
LOL
Thats why i put that part in there about guys with white collar jobs that have blue collar attitude cause what you just said describes me to a t. Hell, i grew up in Johnson County and i work for a financial institution. I was just joking around about the type of people i saw at the Ram’s game.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Agreed
The new stuff will only make it better. Some people just don’t like change, but the fact of the matter is the fans make Arrowhead, and we will continue to make it either a great place to go watch a football game, or we can make it the opposite. It is up to us.
Maybe not Arrowhead?
Weren’t thinking of selling the naming right? I guess then it could be Arrowhead Field at Sprint Stadium. :)
Indecision is the key to flexibility
Seemed Like A College Thing To Me
I understand those who say they will miss the band because of tradition. There is something positive to be said for tradition. But such a small band in such a huge stadium always seemed a little irrelevant to me. It never really worked. I remember thinking sitting at games, yeah, this sure isn’t like hearing a college fight song.
Anyway, they had a nice run. I do wish that they would have made this announcement at the beginning of the year so that if people who do really really like the Pack band and don’t have season tickets could of had an opportunity to go to the game—-not that there aren’t plenty of tickets right now—however, it is the holiday season. Wow, that was a huge sentence.
It's not necessarily about losing the band
as much as it is about the organization showing more and more that what matters to them is the bottom line and how much in the black they can get their books. When you let go of the traditions and the things that make you great, what do you have left?
Look at Invesco… it is nothing compared to what the old Mile High was. Granted, that is a new stadium, but still. I feel like the life is getting sucked out of the team, the stadium, and the fans. And the sad part is it’s all for billionaires to line their pockets with more of daddies hand-me-downs than they already have.
have you seen my baseball?
You nailed it Saint....that's exactly what it's about
And once the stadium gets rebuilt…it might take a few years, but (whatever Arrowhead will be called after the name gets sold) will begin to take on the same feel that Invesco and other stadiums have taken on.
It won’t be as loud. Many seats will be replaced with suites with glass enclosures and they’re going to be catering more to the buisiness folk.
Little things will being to change and it’ll be a progression.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
They're a business, too
Even the NFL announced yesterday they’re laying off 150 people from their NY offices. The Chiefs are feeling the pinch too and need to be creative with ways to create revenue. We can speculate, but really the economy sucks, people are spending less money….let’s not ignore the facts here. They’re still a business and have to operate.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
And considering that NFL tickets (or tickets to any kind of entertainment) are considered luxury items basic logic tells us that the American people will stop spending those dollars first. ESPECIALLY on a terrible team like the Chiefs have lately.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
If we're winning
basic logic tells us that the American people will stop spending those dollars first.
Then that wouldn’t be true. Nearly all NFL stadiums sell out every Sunday.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
This is the NFL trend.
They are considered the richest sports league. Things like tradition are slowly taking a back seat to what brings in more revenue to the team and the league. I have noticed a lot of this type of change since Goodell has taken over as commissioner.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
Well when you dont even show up for games as the owner
what else should we expect…
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
That's Not Fair IMO
He’s got a million other obligations. We have no idea the reasoning behind letting the TD Pack Band leave. I would imagine it’s financial….anyone else notice that EVERYONE is making less money??
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
So let's cut the $20 per cheerleader per game as well
I don’t think the band depended on this as an income. Matter of fact I think that it probably cost them more time vs. the amount of money they got paid…like the cheerleaders.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
And just to reiterate primetime
…they were let go because that section will have seats installed…for more revenue. THAT’s the reason.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Yeah
Isn’t that what I said? The Chiefs aren’t in a magic room where they aren’t affected by the economy. This isn’t unusual. I’ll be happy to blame management when something goes wrong but this is too obvious IMO to blame them.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
We have no idea the reasoning behind letting the TD Pack Band leave
That’s what I was replying about. The reasoning was for installing seats for additional revenue…but if I were to use the economy argument, it (economy) also affects the fans ergo those seats would be empty.
The main argument is in regards to tradition. Although I wasn’t a particular fan of the Pack Band I recognize that it did give a bit of a college atmosphere to the stadium. I have to agree with Saint above that with the changes.
Here’s another important fact that was brought to my attention a couple of weeks ago listening to 810:
“Even if the Chiefs did sell a SINGLE ticket with all the expenses and salaries they would still turn a profit.”
Think about that. They make SOOOO much off of tv time and merchandising that according to 810 ticket sales are just icing on the cake. You don’t believe me?, call Kietzman and ask him to reiterate it….they checked the numbers. That made me understand the thinking about keeping the “sold out” games televised with half empty seats….gotta have those Price Chopper commercials to make the real money.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
sorry...mean't to say"
Even if the Chiefs didn’t sell a SINGLE ticket with all the expenses and salaries they would still turn a profit."
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
LOL - Cherry picked argument
The NFL has a rule that basically says if the game isn’t sold out by (I think it’s Thursday at noon or something) a certain time then the game can’t be aired on TV which would mean losing all the TV revenue and that would be a huge deal. So, Keitzmann’s statements are false.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
That rule is obscure
And it was brought up by Kietzman. It is a VERY flexible rule and Detroit proved it this year by televizing a number of games that weren’t sold out…as did the Chiefs.
You could still go to the ticket office and buy tickets (right before the gametoo) for this weekends game and it’ll be televized. Soooo, the argument of “sold out” is not every seat otherwise you couldn’t buy them at the walk up window.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
No
It’s not obscure. What you are talking about is getting an extension from Thursday afternoon to Friday afternoon which the Lions did (I think) once and then didn’t sell out their last 4 games so they haven’t been televised.
The rule isn’t obscure. It’s talked about weekly. I’m pretty sure what you’re talking about is the extension.
As far as going up to the game on gameday and getting a ticket…yes, you can. And the remaining 500-1,000 tickets that aren’t bought by folks on gameday are eaten by the station broadcasting the game because the advertising far outweighs the price of the remaining tickets.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
Extension
It’s a 48 hour extension.
Also, Congress passed legislation that requires the NFL to impose the deadline that “all” tickets must be sold 72 hours prior to gametime.
I say “all” because many times club level tickets are excluded.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Last one, I swear
Many times the visiting team will return tickets they didn’t sell and the NFL doesn’t necessarily count those towards the sell out.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Actually it is obscure
…since all tickets are not sold. Thers is an old saying and it applies to this topic:
“Everything is negotiable, there are no obsolutes”
The revenue that televized games generate outweigh the few thousand “sold” (supposedly) seats. They are actually unsold. The rule is sooooo generalized that it can be interpreted many different ways. We can argue this till the Chiefs have a winning season and it won’t make a difference. The NFL revenue has changed dramatically since that rule was imposed and everyone realizes it’s outdated and obscure.
The MAIN reason Detroit was blacked out was because Ford was asking for a bailout and couldn’t save face by “buying” the rest of the tickets. It was all politics. Watch Arrowhead on Sunday and look at the upper deck….you’ll see 3/4’s empty. Are those the 500-1000 seats or maybe season ticket holders not showing up? I really doubt it’s that many.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Its season ticket holders not showing...
I have a friend (who has like 12 season tickets) who just doesn’t go this year. Our section, which is all season ticket holders, has been pretty sparce some games.
by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 10, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
OK
So what about the other thousands upon thousands of seats that are empty? I suppose that you’re saying (aside from the 500-1000 for the opponent) are season ticket holders?
Not true.
http://www.ticketmaster.com/Kansas-City-Chiefs-tickets/artist/805955?list_view=1&brand=chiefs
Check this out on Saturday evening or Sunday morning and see if you can get tickets. If you can, then it’s not sold out now is it?
I jsut checked and they offered pretty nice seats and it’s Wednesday. You want Club…you can get it. You want upper level 10 rows up?….you can get that too.
Again, the proof is in the pudding…go on Sunday am and you’ll get seats….AFTER the deadline.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
For blackouts
It doesn’t need to be 100% sold out. I’m sure this has been said already in the post. Just some percentage needs to be sold to avoid a blackout. That said, there are a lot of season ticket holders staying at home. God damned, fair weathered fans.
by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 10, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
My band would play for free...
I don’t think paying the band was the issue as much as they were in primetime real-estate.
aha...there ya go
but IF you use the economy argument…“who’s going to fill those seats?”
Now, if they waited a couple of years until the economy turned around I could see the logic in trying to fill the seats and letting the band go. Again, maybe they felt the potential for revenue outweighed the Bands worth…dunno.
But, again, if their looking at the economic perspective (which I understand)…what are they going to cut back next?
Just playing devils advocate here guys from both sides.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
I hear ya
If it came down to my team making more revenue so we felt comfortable giving guys decent signing bonuses (straight cash up front) versus the band….Well, I guess I don’t see the argument.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 10, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
When we're
35 million under the salary cap, that’s not an argument.
I will give you that the bands section probably holds back somewhere around 80 seats, which given ticket prices is probably about $6400/game. That’s $64,000 per season. You’re going to tell me that’s going to give ANY player a decent signing bonus cushion when they’re getting a multi-million dollar contract? Yea, don’t think so.
For me tradition > money.
have you seen my baseball?
Even if there were 100 seats
at $100 / ticket, that’s $100,000 a season they would make. Still a drop in the preverbial hat of the Chiefs annual income. A little less than half of Thigpen’s salary, actually.
have you seen my baseball?
Fine with me
I could care less about our cheerleaders. I go to the games to watch the football game, not the cheerleaders, not the band.
Let me make this clear about my reasoning...
…that’s fine that you feel that way. But let’s take the seats out and make them smaller to cram in more people into the stadium (like the airlines).
How would you feel about that? How about standing room to cram an extra 2K people into a secion?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
They have sold
standing room only tickets before. In fact, they may every game. The only time I know for sure was the Thanksgiving game vs. Denver a couple years ago.
have you seen my baseball?
I am only making less because of our Mayor
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
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