Will you admit that Chiefs management was completely wrong for making that pick?

Flat out lie.

The Chiefs when Marty was here were contenders every year and there were several years they were one of the best teams in the league.

Oh really?. We got to the AFC Championship game one year and got blown out. Beyond that this team never got beyond the second round of the playoffs. In fact, we only won a playoff game in one other season under Schottenheimer. So while you may like to believe Carl’s line about how we were “contending” we weren’t contending…unless you’re using some definition of contending that means “did not advance beyond the second round of the playoffs”. When the team makes it to one AFC Championship game and loses by a large margin and only wins one other playoff game in the next 15 years they are not Super Bowl caliber team. They’re a team that went nowhere.

I’m not even an optimist. I’m a realist.

Says the man who blames everyone but the GM and head coach who built a team that’s won 6 games in two years. You’re a realist like a “truther” is a realist.

I know that my place as a fan is as an observer and a cheerleader.

Great, then leave the other fans who want to be unhappy with the direction of the team alone. If you want to be a cheerleader be like TXChiefsfan…he’s an optimist and we often disagree but he somehow manages to refrain from screaming “Carl Hater” when people voice discontent with the team and yet he’s still able to get his point across quite clearly while not insulting other people. Frankly, if AP needs an optimistic voice among the front-page contributors he’d be a better choice than you…he certainly represents the site better than you do.

You want to play GM and second guess everyones decisions armed with hindsight and a grudge and only condescend to reply to those with a differing opinion to tell them how wrong they are.

Gosh, I must have missed the terms and conditions that stated “Posters to Arrowhead Pride may not express any opinion on the team contrary to the GMs and may not disagree with any other poster if DJ doesn’t agree with you.”

Seriously, where do you get off lecturing anyone about the quality of their opinions? If Chris or Primetime feel a need to correct me, I’ll heed their request and change my tack…it’s their blog and I respect their opinions. You’re just a contributor like me with a couple of extra privileges so if you don’t like what I have to say feel free to ignore it or not respond like I do with most of what you write.

News flash Crawford. You don’t know everything and you can’t tell the future.

This is the fourth time in the last week you’ve made this accusation. Point out any instance where I have actually claimed to have ESP. Otherwise quit whining like a little child because other people are confident enough of their judgment to make predictions and stand by them. This is a fan site, that’s what fans do.

Thats your problem Crawford. I have stated my positions numerous times and they have not changed in two years.

I’ve never seen you state any concrete positions on what you expect from this team other than some vague hope that they’ll be good in a couple of years, and I’ve asked you before on this.

What quantifiable results this season would constitute progress? No answer. How many wins is a reasonable expectation from this team this season? No answer. What progress should we be seeing from individual players to judge whether or not they’re developing on schedule? No answer.

Now, it wouldn’t be a problem for you to give no specific answers, except that you rail on people who do set specific standards for being unrealistic or irrational by dismissing them as “Carl Haters”. Which basically makes you a rather annoying hypocrite because from what I’ve seen you put out you’re not willing to put any specifics on your own arguments out there for analysis and criticism, you just toss out vague terms that you can easily walk away from if whatever it is you believe turns out to be wrong. Easy to take shots at others’ positions when you don’t have any of your own…but it also doesn’t make your positions any more solid.

You made up your mind a long time ago that no matter what is done by the Chiefs organization it will be the wrong ones purely because you don’t like the ones doing it and thats the most arrogant, asinine position I’ve ever encountered.

And you base this opinion on what? The less than one year I’ve commented at this site? You don’t know me so you’ve got no basis to be questioning my “true” motivations…I’ve stated exactly when I gave up on Herm and Carl’s plan (this offseason, after they anointed Brodie Croyle as the unquestioned starter) and you’ve got no grounds to question that or my integrity.

You simply dismiss any opinion that you disagree with as irrelevant and shallow.

You’ve made this accusation before as well, and what you actually seem to be saying is “You dismiss my opinion as irrelevant and shallow” and that’s mainly a factor of your tendency to not provide specifics on your opinions, as noted above. Want to reverse that? Then take Truth’s advice and post specifics of what you expected from this team this year and what you expect next year in your signature block like others have. Then you’ll find me less likely to dismiss your opinions.

The reason we always end up arguing is not because I can’t defend my position, it is that you totally refuse to see what that position is. I can only beat my head against the wall for so long and you aren’t worth the pain.

The reason we argue is that when you get frustrated you tend to start accusing people of being “Herm/Carl Haters” to shut down debate then you start telling them to “calm down”. Nobody likes to be treated as if they’re irrational (a position you should have plenty of sympathy with, judging from your comments) so if you want the fights to come to an end, drop the “Herm Hater” crap and don’t tell anyone to calm down. Just argue with them on their points and if you find it too annoying, drop out of the conversation until you’re in a better mood. That’s what I do when I get tired of you.

Now, addressing your only football-related remark in that entire post.

I would much rather the guys we have now succeed than kick them out and bring in another bunch of guys that will want to do things completely different and extend the rebuilding process out for years to come or even guys that could be worse than what we have.

That’s a valid concern and I understand it. But where I’m coming from is that if you look at Herm’s and Carl’s records in their positions, there’s no indication that they’ll ever rebuild this team into a championship contender (which should be the point) and every indication that the best we can hope for is a few 10-6 teams. Now if you’re happy with 10-6 teams, fine…Herm and Carl might work out. But if you’re not and you want more (which is my position), then you’ve got to ask whether bringing in another management team would actually be throwing anything off track. A rebuilding effort that isn’t likely to achieve the goal you want it to achieve isn’t a rebuilding effort…it’s just a bunch of bad teams and a long waste of time. And for my position I’d much rather get a real rebuilding effort started sooner than later because I don’t see what Herm and Carl are doing as rebuilding in any meaningful sense…they’re just gutting a team and refilling it with lower salaried players in the hopes the fans won’t notice.