The blockbuster of the coaching season just came in: The Denver Broncos fired Mike Shanahan.
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What this means for the Chiefs?
Competition. It appears the Broncos may be looking for a new head coach and a new GM.
Ahh….I can’t believe the first week of the offseason is this exciting!
I Will Miss His Lipless Sideline Grin
… and I agree wholeheartedly. Is the Broncos job more attractive? They have a lot of the same defensive problems as the Chiefs, but the offense is pretty solid. They seem to be less of a project.
I opened the door to see my 18-month old and, in a trembling voice said, "You will never remember what it was like to have to root for the Chiefs under Carl Peterson."
Hallelujah. Our long nightmare is over.
by chiefstatnut on Dec 30, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Oh my....
I think I like the Broncos a little bit more after the firing……..nah…still the donkeys!
Oh wait let me call a last minute TIMEOUT! WIDE RIGHT.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
And this begs the question: Will Shanahan be the next Chiefs HC?
I’ve hated him for so long I don’t know that I could be ok with it lol….
I'll admit the thought also crossed my mind
and then I recoiled in horror.
Give Clark time and don't panic. His deliberate approach is best-suited to the long-term interests of the team.
by chiefstatnut on Dec 30, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
DO IT
Like, now. Seriously, Marty’s not coming back, Bill Cowher is going elsewhere, Pioli is going to the Browns. Who else is a better candidate? We’ve had the nice guy coach for too long. Time to hire the asshole who actually knows how to coach. If he can get over the whole Broncos/Chiefs thing, I can too.
its called 'da benjamins
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
This is as big as news as Herm Edwards being fired
Oh wait…that hasn’t happen.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Makes you think though
Herm still has a job.
Marty by all means seams to be listning for one
Cowher would coach under his conditions – daughter is a senior, will graduate in May
Shanahan needs a job
Mangini needs a job
Marinelli needs a job
Romeo “whereforartthoujob” Crennel is looking
Is it just me or…?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
if shanahan becomes our coach then
larry johnson wont be going anywhere for the simple fact that shanahan loves the power running game.
Shanny for GM
He knows the Chiefs as well as anyone not to mention the division …but Larry still needs to go before he smacks up his next female.
He makes terrible personnel decisions
they should have pulled his personnel rights at Denver years ago. He has made countless bad decisions on players… think Travis Henry and Maurice Clarett. Shanny has no business making those decisions. He’s a good head coach but a terrible personnel guy.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 31, 2008 3:17 AM CST up reply actions
agreed. im just saying
if larry knows hes gonna cet the touches, then his feelings about this organization will change really quick.
Broncos
God I hate them deeply, please bring Shanny in in some capacity or other please.
Be interesting to see
if Norv Turner hangs on to his job if the Chargers get walloped by the Colts this weekend. I see Turner, Herm, and…(who the hell is coaching the Raiders?)… Cable all getting canned and all of the AFC West fighting to get Shanahan. Wouldn’t that be a dagger in the Donkeys ass.
Shanny in Oakland again?
I doubt there’s enough Benjamins in the world, even if Al would consider it (and he won’t).
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 30, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
On NFLN, Terrell Davis thinks Shanny will land in KC (it was just an off the cuff remark). How awesome would the Donkey rivalry be then?
Besides, he loved KC players anyway e.g. Neil Smith, Keith Traylor, etc.
On 810
(I think it was) the host and Teicher were discussing it, and host-boi was speculating that an intangible for Shanahan would be that he gets to play Denver and Oakland twice a year.
My big question is will he be willing to cut loose of sole control of personnel? How that ends up getting answered will tell the tale of which is bigger, his brain or his ego…
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 30, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
There's no question about it. His ego.
Shannahan would become 2nd only to Cowher on the list of desirable coaches I would think. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him take a year or two off though. Most guys don’t get kicked out of a 20 year job and just go sign up with someone else a week later.
Biggest Problem With Shanahan
Was always his need to be the GM. As a coach he was excellent, as a GM he flat-out sucked. He needs to be in a situation where he’s got someone he answers to who’s scouting and picking players for him.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
correction: as a Coach-GM he sucked.
does tend to indicate he’d suck as a GM, though.
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 31, 2008 3:48 AM CST up reply actions
AFC West returns to a powerhouse division
Shanahan – KC
Cowher – San Diego
Marty – Denver
Herm – Oakland
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
I would think Denver would look very good to Cowher
One thing those close to him say is that he wants to have a lot of power and he wants an established franchise QB. Shannahan had the type of power Cowher is seeking so its not a stretch to believe they would let Cowher step in with the same and they have Jay Cutler who is an up and comer.
Cowher will come to Denver, Shanny to Norte Dame or Dallas
I can’t see Bowlen making this move without the ace of Cohwer in his sleeve.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
They can't afford him
They owe Shanahan like $7 million per year over the next 3 years and it will reportedly take $10+ million to get Cowher.
They’ll be bargain hunting IMO.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 31, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
How in the heck is
Herm still employed? Two coaches with at least a .500 record this season get fired, and Herm is still here. Hell in 06 Shanahan was in the AFC championship game. The Broncos are a fairly young team also aren’t they? Hell we would no what we had in him, talk about wanting to stick it to the Donkeys, and Raiders! Could he be worse than the coaches we have had here in the last ten years?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
I think Clark is just waiting to see what the new GM wants to do
There is no question Herm will be out if the GM wants him out. I guess Clark is just keeping him around JUST IN CASE the new GM wants to keep him. If they’re going to fire him they can fire him at any time.
Yeah, but hope he does not wait to long.
As Frank says below Herm thinks he should still be here. When he says he lets his work speak for itself, man what an indictment against himself.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Herm wants to stay because the work just got started
I don’t blame him. I’m sure he had Clarks blessings to rip the team up and play a bunch of young guys and Im sure at the time he was assured that Clark would stick with him. However, things went much worse than expected and key areas where progress NEEDED to be made wasn’t made, which is why the change needs to be made.
But in the end, Herm is the employee and what he wants and hopes for doesn’t really matter. I like Herm, but I will like an involved and competitive owner much more and if Clark is going to be aggressive about making the Chiefs a winner, I’m all for that.
Just not a Jerry Jones, please!
Let Clark be involved and competitive, but let him leave football decisions to guys who know football.
I don't think we have to worry about that
From what we are seeing now, I think we are seeing Clark being very careful about making sure he has the RIGHT people in place to run the team so he doesn’t have to be involved all the time. I’m sure he’d much rather get back to watching Soccar. :)
Clark
He likes him. And the crazy thing is Herm talks like he believes he should still be here. Clark will not step better hope the new GM will. Honestly I can’t see how he won’t.
Herm is doing what every dead man walking does
Trying to pretend its not happening because he has no control.
I think Clark likes Herm and knows he needs to let him go but just hates to do it. Bringing in the new GM to confirm what he already knows needs done will empower the new GM by giving a kind of “New Sherriff in Town” image to him coming in and cleaning house that he wouldn’t get if Clark just went through and fired everyone.
I know what you mean
Trying to pretend its not happening because he has no control.
He’s not pretending. I mean…what else is he supposed to do? Cry? Whine to the media?
by Joel Thorman on Dec 30, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
At least acknowledge his faults.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Every coach has their critics
And acknowledging them isn’t going to save his job.
I still don’t get why people aren’t satisfied that he’s going to be fired but want to see him on his knees begging.
yup
some folks, it would take Herm commiting hara-kiri on ESPN in primetime before they would be happy… ;-)
Speaking figuratively, stepping up to the mike, and saying: “Now, these are the ways I’ve sucked this year, and those are the ways I’ve always sucked (aka acknowledging his faults)” would be career suicide. Herm won’t (and shouldn’t!) do that just to make the people who want him fired, no matter what, “happy”.
Him getting gone should be enough. Demanding he undergo the auto de fé is overkill. (For me, Carl’s gone, and that’s enough with him. If he catches on elsewhere, I wish him a similar run (AFC) or even a good run (NFC). Maybe the Lions will be interested. They could do worse…)
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 30, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
I am not gona lie, I will be happy when he is gone.
I have been talking about this for two years now, my only fear is that he can b.s. the new gm that he is the right guy.(Then we have more serious problems)
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
That would be good entertainment
The problem though is that we need to give this a chance to play out. Who ever ends up being the GM will get to decide what is best. Herm hasn’t been fired and better coaches are getting fired during all of this. Clark doesn’t seem to be a guy who makes quick decisions and that may actually be a good thing.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
Better coaches...
weren’t gutting the team down to the foundations, and rebuilding from close to square one.
Look, I ain’t (and never have) said that Herm’s the second coming, just that he might still be able to bring value to the Chiefs in 09 – if nothing else, to continue the rebuild, while providing a scapegoat to various fans in the meantime, while the next GM makes the arrangements for the /right/ HC for long-term dynasty-building, be that Herm or whoever.
One interesting tidbit that was pointed out on 810 today, was that Herm and his Jets /beat/ Marty and his Chargers in the post-season. Make of that what you will (for the Herm-haters, they will probably brush it off as dumb luck)…
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 31, 2008 3:56 AM CST up reply actions
Additionally
jesus christ on a minibike, people – we endured Carl for 19 friggen’ /years/. If (and I mean IF) Herm’s back for one more, is that really so bad, especially if the GM-Herm team moves things along, and our Chiefs make progress?
I know one thing: going from bad to worse is a hell of a lot easier than from going from bad to good. Maybe, MAYBE Miami’s done more than lucked out for a season – time will tell. Until then, they are only a model for luck, and people who hold them up as the example for what KC should do are just kidding themselves. Matt Millen and Art Shell (in different skins): think about it. Is that what you really want here?
Of course not. What we want is God as HC, Moses as DC, and Peter as OC, with Jesus playing QB, and Gideon’s band filling out the roster, and consecutive undefeated seasons and SB wins until we get bored with the whole idea.. For that, dream on.
There are no guarantees, in life or the NFL. Clark’s gotten rid of a major roadblock this year – one who weighed down Herm and set his program back, like it or not. I’m not against an upgrade at /any/ position in the club, but I’m not averse to waiting a year, if Clark and GM-boi decide that is needed to bring in the /right/ talent. I don’t just want a S win, I want a shining powerhouse, one that teams will emulate for the next ten years or more, and is an annual threat at the post-season, and possibly a SB, every year.
If the price of that is getting Herm for another year, I’ll pay it. If the price of getting rid of him now is another 19 years of futility and empty promises, then screw you, Herm-haters, I /won’t/ pay that price.
Alas, the results will likely be somewhere in-between. Oh bloody well.
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 31, 2008 4:18 AM CST up reply actions
Yep we are just haters.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
if you say so.
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 31, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Or, to re-phrase:
If you want Herm gone /even if it makes the situation in KC “worse”/, then yeah, I’ll call you that.
In this case, I define “worse” as a team that can’t be relied on to make playoff appearances and win those, as well.
The Marty years are not the Promised Land, for me. I want more. Sure, it’s a crap shoot, but if keeping Herm around one more year allows the new GM to load the dice, I’ll take it.
OTOH, if the new GM has Coach Perfect in his pocket, then bye-bye, Herm, been nice knowing you, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out..
In short, I want our team to be a top-tier franchise much, much more than I want to get rid of Herm.
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 31, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm ok with dreaming for now! :)
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
It is going to take getting rid
of Herm to make it a top tier franchise. Calling me a Herm hater, for one I have never liked the hire. His delusional thinking that he just has to let his work speak for itself, yep that is tough to do. He has had four losing seasons out of six, what makes you think he is going to change to this great coach all of a sudden? Next year will be his ninth as a hc, and cannot manage a clock to save his life. Call me a hater all you want, but I cannot stand behind a bad hc.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
point being
you’d prefer to replace Herm with a slightly-better HC, say, another can’t-win-a-postseason-game Marty-type, just to get rid of Herm /now/?
I say again: If the right fit is available now, great: Herm’s gone. If not, I’d rather not commit to Herm+ for 3-5 years right now.
Still sounds to me like you’d prefer to get rid of Herm, and embrace middle-of-the-road mediocrity for the next few years, just to get rid of him.
When Herm’s the topic, it’s firefirefire, and no regard for the overall success of the Chiefs. That’s the difference, here. As far as I can tell, firing Herm is more important to you than a great Chiefs franchise. Improving just a little is enough justification, from what you’bve said. Ain’t good enough, for me. It ain’[t about “killing” Herm, it’s about building a great franchise.
Jesus, don’t crucify the next GM for not firing Herm before he’s been hired. Let him find a next-level HC, first, hey?
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 1, 2009 1:36 AM CST up reply actions
Have you seen Detroit?
Another 3-5 years of Herm, and that is what we will be. Look at all the first round picks over there that they are not able to do anything with. That franchise has developed a losing mentality that has carried on for years, you want that here?
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Fear
I’m terrified he just might NOT be fired.
I like Herm
But with a new GM coming in, he has zero chance.
If Clark wanted to keep Herm around, he would have signed Kuharich for a year. The fact he isn’t and is hiring a GM outside the organization tells you the Herm experiment is done unless the new GM just happens to like him.
I do not wish him any Harm:)
He is just not a good HC. He should stick with the db thing, he has a knack for that.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
You all sooo missed the pun!
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Regardless of how I feel about Herm,
It makes no sense to bring him back for one more year under a new GM.
Barring a miraculous year next season under Herm, he won’t be getting an extension and would be a lame duck head coach, which would undermine his most well promoted attribute of being a good motivator.
Even if we did have a good season next year with Herm, more than likely the new GM would get the credit.
A lame duck coach isn’t the answer, no matter how you feel about Herm.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 30, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't agree with you more
There is an obvious need to upgrade some of the assistant coaches, but no coach that is worth anything is going to sign up for a one year deal and get fired with the head coach the next.
Can’t have a lame duck coach and sad to say we haven’t seen anything to give him an extension.
Firing Herm and bringing in a new head coach is really the only option.
long-term, I agree Herm's probably gone.
But I can still see possible scenarios where Herm is HC for the ‘09 season that don’t depend on the next GM liking Herm. I’ve laid out a few in the past. Primarily, on who the new GM wants as HC, versus who he can get “right now”.
I have feeling that Clark doesn’t just want a SB (yes, I expect he wants that, too), but that he wants a team in place that produces contenders reliably, and not just a flash in the pan, even if that flash produces a SB win.
I don’t believe in instant karma, instant coffee, or instant dynasties…
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 30, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Know what we had in him.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Bill Willimson from espn
just mentioned kansas city as a place for shanahan to land
I think he would have to be considered a top candidate
for any NFL job. I really thought he had a “job for life” there in Denver. Quite shocking news to me. Would be a little strange if he ended up in KC, but I remember how many times he outcoached our coaching staff, and I don’t even think it is close.
Shanahan has to be a top candidate behind only Cowher
He will benefit getting out of his comfort zone in Denver. But I suspect he’ll take a year off before coaching again. I can’t imagine he would go from being fired from his “job for life” to just hooking up with another team a week later.
That, and he can spend the next 3 years doing nothing while
collecting approx $20 Million for his contract buyout.
by DThomasReigns on Dec 30, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, I think Cowher has had more recent success in most people's minds
He might also want to take off some time, but depending on who gets the GM position, I am skeptical that they would want Shanahan because he would want too much control. I think he would be hard to work with, and a first time GM doesn’t need that. They are going to want someone to fall in line somewhat with their vision.
some anylist on espn
said that they dont espect him to ake a year off and that he will have a new job soon
Mark Schlereth
just said on espn, Mike will be a coach somewhere this season, for a team that has a GM with the infrastructure already in place.
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Will excuse you for that!:)
Lets hope Clark lets the new GM start fresh, with his guys. Who would want a coach, who has lost twice as many as he has won in KC?
Hey, I'll admit that when Herm first got here I was excited
Our D was so bad, and I thought that he could change all that. I think his plan was to build the defense so it could shoulder the load until they could build the rest of the team, but they didn’t plan on it falling apart so badly. Herm has just not lived up to my expectations at all. Love the guy, but…
Let's pay attention
If Herm is fired, anyone who comes in, GM and HC included, if we do well next season, the new guys get the credit for the team that Herm and Carl built. Dungy left Tampa, Gruden came in the next year and won the Super Bowl – is that all Gruden, or mostly what Dungy built?
Don't worry... there won't be much to take credit for
Look at all the immediate needs on the team (starters only): RDE, LDT, WLB, SLB, C, RG, and RT. Depending on who you ask, there may also be need for a QB, SS, FS, and FL. Oh, and the TB wants out of town.
This is more of a project than we realize. Yes, the Chiefs have a good owner and a solid franchise, but compared to the Jets or Denver, this is more of a rebuilding job. If San Diego gets whomped by the Lucky Charms and lets go of Norv Turner, that has to be considered a premium spot as well.
The Chiefs’ situation is, however, better than Detroit, where the cupboard is bare; Cleveland, where the cupboard is mostly bare and otherwise filled with malcontents; and Oakland, where the cupboard is mostly bare and the owner is a certifiable nutbag.
Give Clark time and don't panic. His deliberate approach is best-suited to the long-term interests of the team.
by chiefstatnut on Dec 31, 2008 7:00 AM CST up reply actions
146-91 ain't sounding so bad right now
kinda interesting- the poll over at mile high is 2:1 against the firing. I must admit I don’t like the way he uses running backs though (but maybe I’m just looking through fantasy colored glasses)
Shanahan is old and busted
He had his time but it has since passed. He’s a has-been and I hope whomever the new GM is he has the sense enough not to pick up Denver’s stinkin’ trash. If we want a coach with predictable play calling we might as well stick with Herm.
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
Running out of options
The big issue, for me, is that Shanahan’s firing now means there’s even more competition for the GM job. At this point (hate to say it), I actually hope that Herm stays. I think it might almost be too much to switch GMs and Coaches in one off-season,especially with all the hiring competition we’re facing [Cleveland, NY, Denver, San Fran (prolly gonna retain Singletary), Oakland (prolly gonna retain Cable), Philly, Detroit]. I say to let the new GM get the feel for the job and then search for a coach next season.
Also, it’s all over the ESPN that Shanahan’s taking his fake-bake face to Dallas.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
Exactly.
I hate to break it to everyone, but there’s a reason why all of the coaches — except for Cowher (who isn’t coming here) and Marty (who shouldn’t be coming back here) — are unemployed.
Oakland is interviewing Head Coaches, which indicates that Al Davis doesn’t want to retain Cable.
Denver is now looking for a new Head Coach.
San Diego will likely bag Norv Turner if they get embarrassed by the Colts this weekend.
And, that’s just the AFC West.
The New York Jets are looking for a Coach.
The Detroit Lions are looking for a Coach.
The Cleveland Browns are looking for a Coach.
The Seattle Seahawks are looking for a Coach. (Though they supposedly had a succession plan in place.)
The Dallas Cowboys are probably looking for a Coach and just not being obvious about it.
The San Francisco 49ers are probably at least considering other Coaches.
The Philadelphia Eagles were talking about firing Andy Reid before he made the playoffs.
That’s up to 10 teams, out of 32, that are either looking for a new Head Coach or who are probably contemplating a change at Head Coach.
How in the blue hell does anyone figure that the Chiefs are the prime job out of all of those or that, if we fire Herm, we’re going to wind up hiring someone better when there’s that much competition out there for what amounts to three or four real Head Coaching candidates (Cowher, Marty, Dallas’ OC, and … well, whoever) … ?!
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
Only 4 of those teams are looking and add Denver.
And out of the four the Chiefs are a prime job based on ownership alone. When is the last time Detroit had anything to offer? Barry Sanders maybe. Cleveland is full of in fighters but could be a turn around team next season. Seattle wasn’t anything decent until Holmgren and they are full of aging veterans with a ton of questions. Wow the window slammed shut on them. The Jets are going to have to deal with the Brett Favre drama. He is the best they have and he may retire. Oh wait he is coming back….errrr have fun dealing with that BS. It is NY so it may be attractive but Cowher said he doesn’t want it. Denver is in the same boat as Kansas City. It is probably a little more attractive but what went down there. Supposedly nobody on the team expected it and they are all pissed. It will be hard to fix the attitiude there, but it can be done.
Philly, San Francisco, and Dallas already have there coach. Sounds as though Mangini is being looked at for the Cleveland job which is a little weird since they don’t have a GM yet. It may end up making since though. If they get Pioli, Mangini and him worked together in NE. Then they retain Crennel. One job out of the way. The Jets are interviewing a ton of guys already in the organization. Marty may end up there as well. The Raiders who I didn’t even mention because no good coach will take that train wreck. They are interviewing Jim Harbaugh, Kevin Gilbride and freaking Paul Hackett.
Denver need a GM as well as KC and Cleveland. Denver is really no more attractive than KC. They do have a QB that we don’t and a couple of good young players and so do we. Denver has a farely new stadium and KC will have a newly renovated stadium and a brand new office building. KC has the third pick and Denver has a middle of the round pick.
So yes, if we fire Herm we will find someone better. People around the league have already been talking about our young players and the fact that we are way under the cap.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
Who?
So yes, if we fire Herm we will find someone better.
Easy to say. Put a name with it.
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
Brian Billick
Ron Rivera. Steve Spagnuolo. Rex Ryan. Jason Garrett. Jim Fassel.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Can honestly say ...
I’d prefer ‘continuity’ with Herm to almost any of those guys. I’ve never been a fan of Brian Billick, and I’d rather see him remaining on the beer commercials than roaming our sidelines.
Ron Rivera lost out to Norv freakin’ Turner for the San Diego job and now works for Turner. That doesn’t seem like a real ‘high quality’ prospect.
Spagnuolo’s been mentioned for the Lions, the Browns, and the Jets’ jobs. I like him, and I think he’s a quality guy, but I don’t see him coming here.
By the time we’d even be able to talk to Rex Ryan, all of the other decent prospects would’ve been taken (ie: I think the Ravens are going deep into the playoffs) — meaning he’d be our last, best hope if we fired Herm before Ryan was locked down.
Jason Garrett is set to be the Cowboys’ head coach in a year (actually, likely mid-season next year after they realize Wade Phillips isn’t going to ’change’). Ain’t no way he’s giving up that gig to come here.
Fassel wants the Oakland job. Any coach that would want to coach in Oakland is not a coach I’d want in Kansas City.
Herm Edwards is Clark Hunt's guy. Herm and Carl forced Clark to choose between their differing visions on how to rebuild the Chiefs, and we all see who got their walking papers. Herm's going to be walking the sidelines at Arrowhead in 2009, and possibly even beyond, no matter who the new General Manager is.
Better?
I think each of those guys could have won more than 15 games in 3 years for the Chiefs.
Herm’s set the bar pretty low.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 31, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
The rumor mill is starting up
Shanny may end up with the Dallas job. If that happens Garret isn’t going to be next because if he sticks around it isn’t going to work out very well because Shanny likes to meddle in the offense.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
No offense dude, but you sound like a total...
I dunno if the KC job is THAT appealing.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
didnt see it commin
one thing i did not forsee in the future. shanahan getting the boot at denver. unbelieveable.
Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.
Me neither!
I guess it really is “What have you done for me lately?”.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
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