Chiefs' New Middle Linebacker...Derrick Johnson
by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 3:27 PM CST
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From the FanPosts. I'm taking my DJ FanShot off the front page. -Chris
The Kansas City Chiefs decided to try and fix the gaping black hole that is our linebacking corps this week by moving Derrick Johnson from his weak-side linebacker spot and putting him at middle linebacker for the remainder of the season.
Johnson will move from the outside to middle linebacker for Sunday’s game at Denver and the other three remaining games.
This appears to be as much an admission that Derrick Johnson's been a major disappointment on the weakside as it is the Chiefs admitting that they've got nobody on the roster who can play in the middle.
The Chiefs are not only hopeful of getting more from their underachieving linebacker, who’s had a disappointing season. They would also like to get more from their middle linebacker spot, which has been shared this season by Pat Thomas and Rocky Boiman.
Funny, but I seem to recall us signing a middle linebacker just last year to a long-term deal, after which he led the team in tackles. I wonder what happened that that guy? Oh that's right...our genius defensive coordinator insisted on micromanaging the linebacking corps and decided that the guy with the most tackles on the team last year wasn't good enough to play for him this year. Which goes a long way towards explaining why our defense (ranked 13th last year) has plunged to the bottom of the NFL.
DeMorrio Williams, Boiman, Thomas, and whoever else are expected to compete for Johnson's old weakside spot. Hopefully Williams will step up. It would be nice to get something positive out of our big free agent signing this year.
And here's a couple of interesting questions...does this move mean that Johnson is projected to be our MLB next season and if so does that effectively remove Rey Maualuga and James Laurinitis from our draft boards?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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What's wrong with this move?
Yeah, we never should have been here in the first place but we are. It is what it is. So, why not switch some things up and see what happens?
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 3:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will they try some blitzes
From the middle with him or will he mainly be there for pass coverage? What does this say for his future?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As of now
It appears to be an experimental move. Hey, if it works, great. If not, then we’re back to where we were earlier today – in need of a MLB.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We are definately in a position to try anything.
At this point DJ is the best and most talented linebacker on the roster…….Why not. At least Gun is finished with playing safeties at corner.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are wanting a look
So they know how to draft.
There are a couple of good MLB prospects this year but they have a lot of other needs as well. If DJ can handle the MLB spot, it would free up a high pick for another position (pass rush DE, QB, etc).
by ChiefDJ on Dec 3, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I seen that the
Pats picked up Roosevelt Colvin today, was he out there when we needed linebacker help, and not even look at him?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 4:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Colvin has been out there a long while...
Lame, I know… but oh well. Maybe a move like this will help D.J. become the leader that everyone expected him to. Now he’ll be a lot more vocal on and off the field.
I also hope for D.Will- to step up. And take D.J.‘s spot. Boiman should do fine on the outside. Anyone know Donnie’s situation??
(BART SCOTT 2009!)
by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Colvin used to play with the Pats
So he knows their system. The MLB, a lot of times, is the guy with the radio in his helmet calling the plays. I’m no expert, but I imagine it would be extremely difficult to replace someone like that mid-season.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if everybody missed this but Colvin was signed by the Pats today.
by Shawn on Dec 3, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw that Eric Allen posted this before me whoops.
by Shawn on Dec 3, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No biggie
I am easily ignored!:)
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Napoleon Harris
was a bad fit for us. On paper he looked like he would fit perfectly in our system, and on paper he played pretty well for us. But he doesn’t have any instincts and couldn’t maintain his gaps. The only time you ever noticed Harris was when the ball carrier was already 8 yards from the line of scrimmage.
by JayrodT on Dec 3, 2008 4:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I read an article from Mike Lombardi (who was against drafting Harris while he was with the Raiders) that questioned where he was making all those tackles. The answer was downfield.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But He Still Made Tackles
The Chiefs front seven can’t even do that these days.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm Not Claiming Harris Was A Good Linebacker
But getting rid of him without having a replacement in mind was stupidity.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When did we get rid of him?
Do you remember? I want to know if it was around training camp when we got the idea in our heads that Pat Thomas was a starting MLB.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
During The Regular Season
Like Week 2 or so as I recall…I don’t think we ever activated him but he was on the roster after training camp.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Released him October 14.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw it too
That’s right…right before the trading deadline.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
That doesn’t seem right at all. I could have swore we cut Nap Harris after the trade deadline which would had been after Week 6. I remember because I thought it originally was a stupid idea when it happened being as that he didn’t even step on the field this year.
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 3, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can say whatever you want about him last year
but saying he wasn’t a right fit remains to be seen being as that he didn’t even get a single minute this year
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 3, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The trading deadline is October 16th
And he was released on the 14th. That probably means no one was interested in giving anything up for him. Then he went to the waiver wire where a team in the middle of the pack picked him up which means a cluster of teams passed on him (for free this time) again.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So when we released him
We did so thinking there was someone there to replace him which obviously isn’t the case…
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And After
We’d gotten manhandled several times so we could see Thomas’ deficiencies. Harris wasn’t that good, but the Chiefs really bungled that entire deal with him this year.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also dont think...
Nap was too great… But I DO think that he was a lot better than freakin’ Pat Thomas.
by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about this year
People keep forgetting that this year was less about trying to win as many games as possible as it was about trying to get things sorted out.
Crawford will tell you it was an enormous bungle to cut Harris because he was maybe slightly better than Pat Thomas. That doesn’t matter.
They apparently decided early in training camp combined with what they saw last year that Harris wasn’t part of the future so they wanted to see what Pat Thomas could do.
The fact that Thomas wasn’t an upgrade does not mean that it was total failure. They eliminated another candidate rather than sticking with a guy that they had already decided wasn’t going to be part of the future just because he would be slightly better. They now are moving on to trying DJ at that position.
Moving guys around and experimenting in a rebuilding year is not a sign of failure or incompetence. It is trying to sort through limited talent and trying to find guys that can get the job done even if that was not their original position rather than sticking with guys that you already know can’t
by ChiefDJ on Dec 3, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
I just didnt get why they played Pat for so long when it was obvious to SO MANY that he wasnt working.
by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some guys take time to develop
MLB is a position of a lot of responsibility in our defense.
We are looking at this season under the prism of each and every game and are suffering with each loss, but there is no reason for snap decisions when you are looking at the big picture long term.
If they had said that after the Atlanta game Thigpen didn’t deserve another chance this year because he had played so horribly, we would have never found out that he’s much better than he played in that game.
by ChiefDJ on Dec 3, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying we need more time to evaluate Thomas
I think we saw enough of him to know he’s not the answer at starting MLB.
Just meant that playing him for half a season to see how he would develop when we didn’t really have any better options behind him was not a horrible thing.
by ChiefDJ on Dec 3, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Kinda…
Its hard for me to compare Thigpen’s situation with the Pat Thomas experiment.
Tyler Thigpen showed inability to play 1 and a 1/2 games.
Pat Thomas showed he couldnt tackle for 8 games. It was pretty pretty clear after a FEW games..
But I see what youre saying.
by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to maintain a gap with our d-line not creating any.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Urlacher
I thought of him instantly when I read this story. He was drafted to be an outside linebacker but was so bad that he lost his starting position to,ironically, Roosevelt Colvin (i think). Then the bears middle linebacker got hurt and the rest is history.
I’m not saying that DJ is Urlacher, but it can’t hurt any to move him around. Middle linebacker should force him to make more plays because he will be involved in more plays, in theory anyway.
by schraggyj on Dec 3, 2008 4:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who knows...
Maybe D.J. will excel taking up this kinda role.
by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that this...
removes our need for Maualuga or Laurinitis.
by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Really. First Kawika Mitchell, then Nap Harris, then Pat Thomas, then Boiman, and now DJ. All OLB’s (except Nap) we’re trying to convert to MLB’s. Why not Edwards? Oh thats right….we gave a huge contract to someone who’s so old he can’t even remain healthy enough to play. Pathetic……just pathetic
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 3, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you recall back in when Gunther was here the first time.
He wanted to draft college safeties and turn them into corners because of there size. Didn’t work then just like taking outside linebackers and putting them in the middle. Speed is nice, but you still need some size there. Hopefully it will work……We still need a true backer in the middle.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love this move
I’ve been a huge D.J. fan ever since he came to the Chiefs and have wanted him moved to the middle ever since he got here. On the issue of Harris, it was the right move to drop him even if we didn’t have a replacement. Remember, we are REBUILDING. If you have old, decrepit players who can’t cut it in a rebuilding organization, you drop them and plug in anyone else that you have in hopes that they can be the answer.
by ArrowheadRed5658 on Dec 3, 2008 5:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I still do not get
The first year of rebuilding, this defense has been worked on for years. Look at all the first day picks on it. Now that the offense is finally getting some attention, we are rebuilding?
At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.
by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 6:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No....we were officially rebuilding when we decide to trade Jared Allen.
Also when we cut a shit ton of veterans. I think Herm is going to get to stay……Gunther on the other hand……Fired!!!!
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think Eric's Point Is
That the Chiefs can’t claim this is year one of rebuilding their defense because they’ve been drafting to rebuild their defense ever since Gunther got back here in 2004. And none of those first day draft picks they’ve dedicated to defensive players have turned into impact players. So I believe he’s wondering why Herm gets a pass for having a crappy defense when it’s been in rebuild mode for five seasons and he’s been in charge for three of those.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It improved the first two years he was here.
This year it tanked due to going young and injuries. Not to mention Crazy taking over the linebackers.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We've Been "Going Young" On Defense For Five Years
Excluding the rookies (whose improvement can’t be judged because this is only their first year), since Gunther returned as defensive coordinator we have drafted Junior Siavii, Keyaron Fox, Jared Allen, Derrick Johnson, Boomer Grigsby, Alphonso Hodge, Khari Long, Tamba Hali, Bernard Pollard, Marcus Maxey, Jarrard Page, Turk McBride, and Tank Tyler.
Now, if you were coaching the New York Giants, how many of those players would make it into your starting lineup?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats kinda funny
That is an just about an entire defense, minus one CB I think.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maxey And Hodge Were Both Cornerbacks
Did they even take the field for this team?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maxey was actually promising until he was injured.
Not sure if you remembered that through all your pessimism. I wonder if you like anyone at all. :)
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Liked Allen
Too bad Carl ran him off.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And "Promising"
Means nothing. If he was that promising he wouldn’t have been a fifth round pick.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a troubled player out of Miami
That caused him to drop. Draft position means nothing. We could go all day about second day picks who are success. He blew his knee and was never the same. After an injury like that you don’t play corner in the league to often.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But The Point Is
He didn’t turn into anything special as a player. And neither did most of the other defensive guys the Chiefs drafted.
When one guy doesn’t make it, that’s bad luck. When many guys (most of them first day picks) don’t make it, that means the team’s doing something wrong.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken.
There aren’t a lot of “special” players on any team. I still maintain Gunther is gone and who ever is brought in should do better. I see some good players on the defense. Poorly coached defense is the problem…..not to mention the plague has hit the team.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also losing one of the best Defensive ends in the league sucked
Hopefully we got a franchise LT and DT in the deal.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Skeptical About Gunther Will Be Fired
But I agree with you he should be gone and that it shouldn’t be too tough to replace him with someone who can do a better job.
not to mention the plague has hit the team
Are you saying that Arrowhead Stadium is infected with lice-carrying rodents? :)
Seriously, though, if you’re talking about the injuries I question how much of that has to do with the strength and conditioning program Herm’s running. The injuries combined with their tendency to fade in the second half of games makes me think that this is not a team that’s well-prepared physically to succeed in the NFL.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did have this problem with the Jets as well.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which?
Conditioning or hanging onto bad assistants too long?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will answer in the form of a question Alex
What is Herm’s historical problem?
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could honestly see Gunther being demoted
Demoted to Linebacker coach. I don’t see them firing him either (although I think his time here should be done). There is something about the Chiefs front office that does not like firing coaches who have served them for long periods of time. And even if they are fired or let go, they keep coming back.
by Shawn on Dec 4, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"just when I thought I was out
you keep pulling me back in"
Did I sound Italian?
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what exactly has he done to
deserve being kept as a LB coach?
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 4, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You tell me
Just a gut feeling considering the way our organization works.
by Shawn on Dec 4, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shawn's Not Saying He Deserves To Be Kept Around
He just thinks he will.
That’s why I’m skeptical that Gunther will get fired or demoted at all. I’m not saying it won’t happen, just that I don’t expect it.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know
just asking a question?
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 4, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My Answer Would Be
Nothing. He’s done nothing to merit keeping his job next year, either as defensive coordinator or linebackers coach. Gunther should be fired.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or Gunterh will fire the linebackers coach himself
then where does that leave us? And then the NFLPA will step in and say wait, a coach cant fire himself.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll Never Fire Himself
If you read the interviews with him the guy’s in complete denial about what a terrible job he’s doing. He goes on and on about his long hours and how he’s having so much fun teaching all these young players while conveniently ignoring the fact that the areas he’s responsible for (linebackers and overall defense) are the worst parts of this team.
The guy may have been good once, but he’s a fraud now. I suspect he keeps going on about his superhuman working hours because he’s hoping that’ll make people overlook how utterly unproductive the quality of his work has been. I’d hate to think how bad this defense would be if he wasn’t putting in 25 hours a day on his job and going without food or sleep for five straight years.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes me wonder
if he talks in third person when complimenting the linebackers coach?
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IMHO
our offense was terrible last year, we failed the OC and got a new and allowed him to change the playcalling to suit the personnel. I say we fired everyone on the defensive side except the secondary coach and start fresh. And let the new DC run a scheme more suited to the players we have.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 4, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Works For Me
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of those are from the Vermeil era.
Page and Pollard are good enough they could start on most teams.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Didn't Ask About Most Teams
I asked about championship caliber teams. That’s the stated goal here, after all…to win a championship. Only one of those players that I see on that list would be a definite starter on a championship caliber team, and he’s not here anymore because the GM couldn’t get along with him.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who were there safeties again?
Better yet who are they now? Craig Dahl 0 tackles, Michael Johnson 54 and 2 int, SAMMY KNIGHT?12 tackles, Kenny Phillips53 and a pick, and James Butler 50 tackles and 2 pics. They play on a good defense and those aren’t pro bowl numbers.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Argument
I agree, Pollard and Page might be able to start for a championship caliber defense. That makes 3 players out of 13 drafted over a four year period that would be able to do so.
Asking a serious question and not trying to rip on you, do you think that’s a record that should inspire any confidence in the direction the defense is going?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the only LB
that has more tackles than DJ on the Giants is Antonio Pierce with 10 more.
I’d argue even with DJ’s crappy year he’d be starting for them
I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.
by KCking on Dec 4, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's One I Won't Concede
Antonio Pierce is having a down year…but since he took over as the starter in 2004 he’s been more productive than DJ. DJ has a slight edge in sacks but Pierce has a slight edge in interceptions and a significant edge in tackles. I think it’s doubtful that DJ would start over Pierce…especially since even the Chiefs aren’t happy with his performance at outside linebacker.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is that they are loaded on the d-line
The Giants lose a great one to retirement another to injury and they have replacements. We are so thin on talent and injuries it is killing our linebackers and d-backs.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which Is A Factor Of The Drafting, Free Agent Evaluation And Coaching
The Giants are participating in the same drafts and signing out of the same free agent pools we are…the difference is that they find players who fit what they’re trying to do and utilize them in a fashion that helps their team win. The Chiefs don’t.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True....but they already had a foundation to build upon.
Hopefully we can do the same……eventually
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Did We
Because we’ve had the same GM in place for 19 years. That’s why the Chiefs shouldn’t get a clean slate for rebuilding…because as long as the guy who made the team bad in the first place is still running things, they’re not really rebuilding. They’re just continuing his mistakes.
Teams build solid foundations by not leaving the same people who wrecked the team in charge of rebuilding it. That sets a tone for accountability in the organization.
Of course this assumes that Chiefs ownership measures success by winning and not just by how healthy their bottom line looks. Because if it’s just about the bottom line then it’s probably fair to speculate that the reason Carl Peterson is still in charge is because the Hunts are content with having a terrible team as long as it’s a profitable one.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Winning isn't everything its the only thing....Scratch that
Its whatever puts money in the Hunt’s pocket
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
I’ve said the aforementioned for quite some time.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 4, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You really think THAT is why they're moving him to MLB?
This is the first season since we drafted DJ that he has played Will (the position he played in college)…he has also not played all 12 games. I think they’re trying to figure out who to draft in 2009.
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 4, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Think They're Moving Him
Because they’re not happy with his performance at outside linebacker, because they think he lacks concentration, because their middle linebacker position has no talent and he might be able to play it, and because they’re trying to figure out if he’s worth a new contract after 2009.
When your first round pick has got that many question marks surrounding him in the fourth year of his career, I think it’s fair to say that he’s been a disappointment.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DJ was successful in college because he was freed up
DJ, I guarantee would be a probowler in the 3-4. If we had a halfway decent line in front of him things would be differnt also.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about the players around him
Any great linebacker has good players around him, DJ is putting up stats but they aren’t great because he isn’t freed up. I agree with cmpotter. I don’t want to bring madden into this but remember DJ was the #2 ranked OLB and he was there because everybody thought that the Chiefs D would improve AGAIN this year. Which it obviously hasn’t. The thing im wondering is is this years D a fluke? Are we going to improve significatly next year even if we dont get rid of Gun and draft maybe 1 or 2 starters? I also thing we aren’t going to ignore free agency this year. FO SHO
by Shawn on Dec 4, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold on DJ being a bust by any means.
He is still productive and I do think he would be a great LB on a pretty good defense. But that’s the problem. He’s not on a good defense and really never has been. Not sure if he is a factor in that or not, but I honestly dont think so. WE NEED A JAMES/REY.
by Shawn on Dec 4, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would also disagree with you on why they are moving him.
DJ is the best linebacker and most experienced of what we have left at the position. Therefore they probably feel that since he knows the defense he should be calling the signals. MLB is one of the most important spots on the defense. I highly doubt you put someone you are unhappy with there.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 5, 2008 2:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If He Succeeds
I’ll like the move. I’m just not giving this coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on anything involving the defense anymore though. Remember how the last player they moved to another position (Hali) worked out.
And if it blows up in their faces and DJ isn’t a very good MLB, that should be considered another nail in this coaching staff’s coffin. Come to think of it, how many players on this defense during Herm’s or Gunther’s tenure have switched positions and had it work out for the better?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 8:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
The way that this team is beat up peoples hands are tied on this decision. The Hali one was decided before the injuries, I’ll give you that.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 5, 2008 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget Alphonso Boone Either
They tried to make him a DE and he was terrible.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At pass rushing
I thought the Boone experiment worked out okay against the run (when he was LDE…NOT the times we saw him at RDE…those were horrible)
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 5, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we need a pass rusher.....no doubt.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 5, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Antonio Pierce is a MLB
DJ would definitely start as an OLB for the Giants. DEFINITELY! I’d put money on it
I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.
by KCking on Dec 4, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DJ would start for any team in the league
He would be one of the biggest names if he were a free agent. I would bet his contract would be pretty nice too.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 5, 2008 2:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like one of our other X-LBs?
I remember how some were ragging on Kawika Mitchell’s abilities when he was a Chief. Hmmmmm.
by TXChiefan on Dec 5, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We used him at middle
The other two teams have him playing the will.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 5, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Refresh My Memory
Who was the general manager who was responsible for the drafts while Vermeil was the coach?
And who is he working for now?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point so what the FFFFF does that have to do with Herm?
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Connected Because
The GM who says that Herm Edwards is the coach to lead us to the Super Bowl is the same GM who said that the much-maligned Dick Vermeil was the coach to lead us to a Super Bowl. And Gunther Cunningham before that. And Marty Schottenheimer before that.
When the GM hasn’t been able to build a team or put together a coaching staff that can reach a Super Bowl in 19 years of trying, what are the odds he’s right about a coach who has a losing record over seven years of coaching and has never won a division title?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point
but I’m not going to say that everyone Carl hires is a piece of crap.
Those awful hot dog vendors can’t do their jobs cause Carl hired.:)
I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.
by KCking on Dec 4, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Wouldn't Say That Either
I like Chan Gailey a lot. And I thought Marty was a great coach, even if he didn’t win a championship.
But my point is that Carl Peterson’s judgment on who can and can’t lead this team to an NFL championship simply can’t be trusted.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And
The guy I went with to the KU/MU game ended up acting like a complete jackass and got himself thrown out (so I had to leave with him since he was my ride) and after dealing with the Arrowhead security people I’ve got to say that I was extremely impressed with how they handled the situation. Very level-headed, very fair and extremely courteous (they were very apologetic to me when they found out I had to go to, but I told them it was cool and thanked them for their work).
I don’t think Carl Peterson is wrong in absolutely everything he ever does. I just think he’s a terrible GM who has no clue how to build a championship club and who refuses to take responsibility for his screw-ups.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....pretty sure he has nothing to do with hiring those people :)
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Was Agreeing With You
By agreeing that not everyone Carl Peterson hires is terrible. Just most of the ones who run the football team. :)
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that wasn't me but I will take it :)
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Sorry about that King. :)
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's okay
forgiven
I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.
by KCking on Dec 4, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Several of us have said
there would be nothing wrong with Carl remaining as Team CEO and/or President, just let go of the football operations.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Close to the same thing Steadman eventually did
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The only thing I am worried about is Denny Thumm taking over. He is another one of Carl’s boys.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and I say the same thing with Gunther
if he is the only one relieved of his duties and the other coaches (defense) stay, we have accomplished very little. I think Hali could have gotten better with a better position coach.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True.....Crumrie however you spell it needs to follow Gun out the door
Maybe they can ride together in Gunther’s Porche
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 4, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I think he’s terrible too. All I’ve ever seen the guy do is scream and yell like a jackass which has inspired his players to produce nothing. He’s been a d-line coach for 13 years and only three of the defenses he worked on could be considered good. Most of them were terrible.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except
What has Carl done to justify staying with the organization in a position where he’s going to end up hiring his replacement.
His most likely replacement would be Bill Kuharich…he of the fairly disappointing drafting record since arriving here. Why should that guy get a promotion? He helped build one of the worst teams in Chiefs history?
If the Chiefs were serious about winning, they’d remove Peterson from the organization entirely. He’s had his shot at building it into a championship team. He didn’t have what it took. Why not put someone in charge who might?
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except when it can
like with Gailey and Marty, right? =)
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 4, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How Many Titles Did Marty Win Us?
That was the goal behind hiring him after all. How many Super Bowls did he get to? How many playoff games did he win with the teams Carl built?
I liked Marty as a coach and think he’s great, but the fact remains that Peterson hired him to win a championship and he never even made it to a Super Bowl (and only came somewhat close to doing so in one year).
So while we can debate about whether it was Marty’s fault for mismanaging the talent he had or Carl’s fault for not providing enough talent to begin with, Carl Peterson was still the one responsible for the team falling short because he was the one responsible for the player acquisitions and because Marty was his hire. And Peterson demonstrated that despite his stated goals the closest the teams and coaching staffs he’s built could get to a Super Bowl was getting blown out in the AFC Championship game, 15 years ago.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 4, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have made it to one AFC Championship since 1970........
Pretty good. Chalk that up to great leadership.
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 5, 2008 2:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are You Being Sarcastic?
If so you should include a little smiley face after comments like that or people will think you mean it seriously.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were serious then I should be working for the current Chiefs :)
Indecision is the key to flexibility
by cmpotter on Dec 5, 2008 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good One :)
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the parking lot restripping looks good
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're experimenting...
can we try Pollard at LB? Dude can’t cover but can lay hits, put him in a position where he can do that more.
by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 3, 2008 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Cover 2/Tampa 2
Requires hard-hitting safeties. I don’t think Pollard is going anywhere as long as Herm is around.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1.
He is our own version of John Lynch of the old, original Tampa 2 D, just that he can’t cover quite as well. The hard-hitter that scares the bejeezes out of the receivers heading down the middle of the field, in the main gap in the Tampa 2.
The real killer is Page, IMO, because he takes too many poor angles to be the centerfielder we need out there to pick up all of the trash that the front 7 + Pollard can’t tackle.
Oh, well. Page is good, still, just not as good as we need. But we have plenty of more pressing needs, so no sense trying to solve it or nothing.
by rockchalk on Dec 3, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I think Pollard could make a good LB. And have Dejaun Morgan start saftey, while we experiment with Pollard.
by Wildcats23 on Dec 4, 2008 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds like a good idea
But…
As rock-chalk brought out, receivers are scared straight of Pollard and that hit. And believe it or not, that fear affects some guys and their ability to catch the ball.
by ROC 27 on Dec 4, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AJ Hawk moved to MLB...
…and Packers fans are diggin’ it.
-cw
"If there’s a god he’s laughing at us and our football team." - Ben Folds
by webby37 on Dec 3, 2008 10:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a broke down truck that needs a new transmission
I called Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards and they suggested this: Take the transmission out of my three year old truck and put it into the old decrepit truck so it will run. And don’t worry about the three year old truck, it wasn’t being used much anyway.
This decision, other than a way to stop the leak (defense) for the remainder few games, is abysmal at best in my opinion. We have an opportunity to get a true middle linebacker in the draft this year and we should take it. It’s not about a year or two fix, we want a team that has a chance to become a dynasty at winning, not losing.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 8:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
jumping into this late
If in the event you get the wish of Gun getting fired is there someone in house that you would like to get his position or someone brought in from the outside and if so who??? B/c to me the problem resides in the fact that Herm wants Cover2 defense ran and we obviously do have the personnel to run it.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 4, 2008 12:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the ole bump-n-run
is the way to go. My two cents on in house people: Start completely over.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 4, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Carr and Flowers seem to be able to handle their our on the corners and have played ok in run support why not just switch to Man to man on the corners and just blitz almost every down.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 4, 2008 12:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Regarding your signature
Hell, 8-8 would probably be competing for the Division Title =)
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 4, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and an offseason replete with commercial reminders
that the Chiefs are only one or two games away from the Super Bowl
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
by sm7600 on Dec 4, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
by madtheory on Dec 4, 2008 1:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This all brings up an interesting question
Why is it that Herm allows Gunther to move players around to new positions (Hali, Boone and now Johnson) but he has been unwilling , as far as I know, to let Chan move Taylor to Right Tackle or even stick Richardson in there?
Seems to favor Defense over Offense
From yesterdays post from Herm:
On moving Derrick Johnson to middle linebacker…
Just to look at it as we move on down the road next year. We’ve got some decisions we have to make. We want to see if he can play ‘Mike.’ He played it in college and was a very good player. I think he wants to do it, but it puts a little more burden on him too. You have to be more focused because you have to get the team lined up and call the plays and makes the checks. That might help him too.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 5, 2008 8:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
My Suspicion Would Be
Because Richardson isn’t close to being ready to play and Gailey doesn’t like what he sees from Taylor enough to make it an issue with Herm (or to even want to make a change). I’ve come to the conclusion over the season that Herm’s not as dictatorial as many people seem to think he is. He let Gailey scrap the loser ball offense and go with a spread. That’s a much more drastic step than a simple lineup change. So if Herm was willing to sign off on the spread I seriously doubt he’s being that much of a jerk about benching Sackintosh if Gailey really wanted him gone.
And I suspect the reason they’re switching so many players around on defense is because it’s at Gunther’s request and because they’re completely desperate to find something that might work. And, no, even if it’s Gunther’s request (which we have no way of knowing for certain) I don’t believe it should let Herm off the hook if moving DJ fails like moving Hali failed. Herm’s the head coach and he’s the one with the final say-so. Even if his coordinator comes up with a stupid idea, it’s his job to quash stupid ideas so it’s his fault if they get implemented.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could the differences between left and right tackle be big enough
that Taylor is not as good on the right as he was filling in on the left?
Or could we just be wanting to keep working him as a Left tackle so that if Albert ever goes down for a time, we won’t immediately revert to the Sackintosh years on the left side =)
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 5, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
refer to the Morning Update today
and see the section on whom Kuharich a has personally been watching for the draft. Makes me wonder what is going to happen with Albert next year?
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 5, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Saw That Too
Monroe is projected as a top five pick. I wonder if this means that Albert will be shifting over to right tackle if we draft him? I seriously doubt he’ll go back to being a guard…mainly because of what we’re paying him and because guards are the most replaceable position on the o-line.
Just please don’t draft the tight end. Nothing against him, because he looks like a real player, but we need line more than anything.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly
I wondered about that too and it would make sense. Whatever the case, it appears that Taylor’s future is not at right tackle.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And While He Was Decent Filling In For Albert
Taylor wasn’t dominant, so he may be better suited as a reserve. And if Sackintosh wasn’t so gawdawful I probably wouldn’t question that.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is it
I think we can all see the value in having a solid, though perhaps not dominant, backup left tackle who just focuses on not sucking on the left island. If Albert ever goes down, it will be nice for Thigpen not to need to run for his freakin’ life every snap.
by PVChiefsfan on Dec 5, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can it be harder to play RT than LT?
LT is the position where you’re opposing premiere pass rushing RE’s. RT’s always had it easier in my book, so how could Taylor be better at playing a tougher position? Doesn’t make sense to me
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 5, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think It's Harder
It just requires slightly different skill sets. If you’re an Orlando Pace-type left tackle with strength, speed, and technique you can play pretty much wherever you want on the line and shifting to the right side isn’t an issue. If you’re a finesse tackle who isn’t a particularly dominating physical specimen who plays a decent job at left tackle you might struggle a bit more on the right because that’s where run plays more often go and it requires more physicality. Herb Taylor appears to be more of a finesse tackle.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Preifer on Hard Knocks:
Herman why are we bringing competition into camp for Medlock?
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 5, 2008 10:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
oopps that was a reply to UC's post
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 5, 2008 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which Would Seem To Back The Position That Herm's Not A Dictatorial Micromanager
He actually strike me as a guy who’s often hands-off to the point of being negligent. A guy that has all these grand ideas but never follows through on the necessary detail work to bring it to fruition.
But of course none of us have any real idea of how far down in the weeds he really is with his subordinates. He may be micromanaging every decision, he may be delegating all the work off. And I suspect that most of the time when we try to attribute specific blame for a problem (e.g. using the Cover-2, playing McIntosh, switching Hali) to a certain individual on the coaching staff most of the time we’re just projecting blame onto the people we like the least or deflecting it away from the people we like more.
That’s why it’s probably best not to get too caught up in what the coaches are telling each other internally (because we really don’t know) but instead focus on holding the head coach accountable because he’s the one responsible for making sure his coaching staff is able to work together effectively and produce the results on the field. Gunther or Chan or Krumrie may be the ones making the stupid decisions, but it’s still Herm’s job to figure out which are the stupid decisions and quash them.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the deal
Gunther has proven himself successful as both a defensive coordinator and a linebackers coach. Maybe he’s not a good fit on a Herm Edwards team. But check Tennessee’s stats while Gun was there. Pretty good stuff. Pretty good HC there too. Hmmm…
by ChiefsDude on Dec 5, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Titans Had The Number One Ranked Defense Before Gunther Arrived
So I don’t think that a lot of credit can be given to Gunther for their achievements since they’ve been good without him as well and he was only the linebackers coach (he wasn’t defensive coordinator).
His two years running Vermeil’s defense weren’t good and his defenses were pretty so-so when he was the Chiefs’ head coach.
The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.
by UCrawford on Dec 5, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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