Can The Kansas City Chiefs Stay Out Of The Cellar In The AFC West?

by primetime 07 on Dec 3, 2008 11:33 AM CST in 2008 Campaign Comment 50 comments

The Kansas City Chiefs are sitting in the basement of the AFC West with two wins. But with Oakland just one game ahead of us and San Diego two games ahead, will we finish the season in the cellar?

Let's take a look at the schedules and see what we can come up with.

Kansas City (2-10)	Oakland (3-8)	San Diego (4-8)
@ Denver	@ San Diego	Oakland
San Diego	New England	@ Kansas City
Miami	Houston	@ Tampa Bay
@ Cincinnati	@ Tampa Bay	Denver

Adam Teicher makes the case that winning two more games would do wonders for the team. He argues that just because we have a high draft pick doesn't mean the player we select will be an All-Pro:

The draft is not a science. It's an art. Good artists can get as good a player with the seventh pick as they can with the second. The Chiefs just need to be better artists. The Steelers are always good artists. Pittsburgh will have a lousy draft spot next year and I can't tell you who it will pick. But I can tell you he will be a productive player.

The Chargers and Raiders both are losers of five of their last six. Oakland has been eliminated from playoff contention (duh!) while San Diego needs a victory this weekend to stave off elimination. The Chiefs, on the other hand, are just fighting to stay out of last place.

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Staying out of last place is important because....

It's not important. Keep our top 3 draft pick in sight!

61 votes

The momentum will carry into next year. We need to finish in 3rd place (or better).

146 votes

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i think

we need to finish strong and with momentum/something to build on next year and have our young players end on a good note. And let know that you can turn things around no matter how hard they got, plus it will give them some adversity for having to fight hard.(most of these rooks come from big winning programs in college) Plus it would be nice to save a couple of million in a signing bonus by getting out of the top five. Honestly I would like us to win our remaining games. And I dont think that is too much to ask of these guys, we had two kinda slow weeks with the Bills game and the Raiders. But we can use the win for momentum and finish the season strong. GO CHIEFS!

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

You should change your icon...

Haha! Jared Allen & L.J. Those were the days.

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

haha

yea good point! its a good pick though, kinda captures the goodtimes. They should prob. go out and drink together

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldnt encourage that...

Hahaha! Jared would probably drive drunk, with L.J. in the passenger seat spitting his drink at innocent women walking by.

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thats a tough question

I would like both

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 11:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

That's an EASY question to answer IMHO Lanier

Considering the Chiefs historical poor choices in the draft which we’ve seen here and discussed…..we need momentum. The draft choices will probably be poor to mediocre at best.

And before anyone starts flaming here…we’ve statistically discussed how poorly the Chiefs have signed Defensive players…which we desperately need this offseason.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

It's not even that for me

It’s partially money as well…I’d rather pay the 7th pick than the 2nd. The quality dropoff isn’t much IMO.

by primetime 07 on Dec 3, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That is why I am supportive of finding our MLB in the first

I think the money issue with signing a top rated MLB vs. a top rated DE is huge. DE’s seem to command more money.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've said it before, I'll say it again...

Ray Maualuga!

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I think even if we win out, we’ll still be in position for him or Laurinitis (probably spelled that wrong)

by KCScuba on Dec 3, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maualuga attracts me...

for a few reasons..

A. He is a complete LB.
B. We NEED a LB.
C. He’s from USC. They’re program has developed some great football players. And you look at a guy like Troy Palamalu, who Maualuga seems to have the same work ethic as and potential, I’d hate to miss out on a guy like that.
D. I’ve heard people talk about a “freak of nature”. Maualuga is a machine.

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like him a lot

But I think DE is a higher need.

by primetime 07 on Dec 3, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good thing for ROC 27

we’re not drafting based on need yet ; )

by PVChiefsfan on Dec 3, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha!

No, we definitely are….

We need a DE and LB (everyone knows that). I think that we need to consider a lot of different things.

-Where we land in the draft. (Who knows how many more wins we got in us this season).
-What we do in Free Agency (Peppers/ Suggs- Scott/ Vilma/ Dansby) -This wave of FAs is a good one. We’d have to idiots to pass up on one.
-Money. We have plenty of it, but how much does Carl wanna spend?

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dansby And Maybe Peppers Are The Only Two FA LBs To Go After

Age is a concern with all of the others. It’s a concern with Peppers too but he’s good enough that he may be worth it. Vilma would be worth it but I doubt he’s leaving New Orleans…I think he’ll see the franchise tag.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

Dansby will probably get franchised too.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, so then that leaves...

Peppers and Scott… I don’t see any reason why we SHOULDNT sign Scott. Peppers will be 29 and Scott JUST turned 28. Both STILL have a good 4-5 more years in this league.
You said Peppers may be worth it. And I believe that that’s true.
As you brought out, Vilma may extend his stay in New Orleans and Dansby may get tagged, BUT…
But Scott is a hell of a LB and our best bet to re-build our LB corp. With the combination of speed, strength, quickness, and intensity. Bart Scott is a guy that would help this defense so much (play/leadership).

And I don’t think we need to worry about Scott staying in Baltimore. They’ve got bigger fish to catch (Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs). And though Scott is a valuable piece to their D, the Ravens still have Jameel McClain, Tavares Gooden, and Antwaan Barnes. They have depth as Baltimore has a knack for bringing up good solid Linebackers.

My Bart Scott campaign has begun.

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Carl....get off the board

j/k primetime ;)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we HAVE

to be picking a defensive player in the 1st round dont we? I dont want a QB, or any OL( i dont think RT should be drafted in the 1st round, atleast not a top 10 pick) I would say it has to be a LB or DE right?

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I Think So

But many others have made the case for picking up a tackle with our first pick.

by primetime 07 on Dec 3, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am going to campaign strongly against that in the off season.

I may end up the older male version of Sarah Palin though. :)

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're a milf?

by NJChiefsFan on Dec 3, 2008 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would also be against this...

I mean, they gave Brodie all the time in the world to develop.
Why wouldnt we give Dorsey and Tank some time. I honestly think that Glenn and Tank will be a lot more productive next year. They’ve shown flashes of what they can bring to the table, but by next season, they’d better start heading up the hill as becoming 2 of the best DT tandems in the league.

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Momentum is huge

and Primetime is right, the dropoff between 2 and 7 isn’t huge…if we had picked 2nd last year, we would probably still have picked Dorsey.

Also, if we were to find a willing partner, trading down from 6-10 is much easier than trading down from 1-5…

by PVChiefsfan on Dec 3, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think the problem with trading down is one word

CARL – with the latest snafu, TG wanting to be traded, we hear it over and over that other GM’s don’t care to deal with Carl and thats what worries me most. I don’t necessarily disagree with trading down, as long as we get Laurinaitis.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Insane

we definitely need to go defense in the 1st round, although our recent draft record doesn’t bode well in drafting defenseive players in the 1st round it’s our biggest need. I also think that winning or at least 2 of 3 would be great for a young team’s confidence showing them even though we started badly we still didnt end up @ the bottom of the division. The problem with dropping from the top 3 is will the players we want/need still be there ie, Orapko Maualuga or Laurintis Johnson etc i mean one still has to be available so i guess it isnt that big a deal and the contract should be considerably less

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.

I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

at this point all three you mentioned will go after the 5th pick

according to most boards.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

4

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you mentioned

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

2 of the 4

sorry.

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.

I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

but

we have to get our 1st round draft pick right no matter what he is!!! WE cant afford another bust or role player! We need a freak of nature! someone that can make teams not know who to double team. Or a play making LB who can make DJ better

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 12:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yes yes and yes

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

then great

I haven’t really been following the draft boards even though i should’ve been by like week 3 but if all are available who do you think we should pick? Of course any of them could be busts but still who would you pick and sack machine DE or a run stopping LB.

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.

I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

someone mentioned

they didn’t want a RT in the First, if we draft an OL in the first he will be playing LT guaranteed, Andre Smith would take the LT and Branden Albert would take the LG or RT spot which would instantly upgrade our line, but if we are picking say 7th MLB would be a perfect position to pick up, and defense should be what we pick in the 1st if the that side of the ball has the best player available,

by IamtheGreatest on Dec 3, 2008 12:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yes, it would upgrade our line

But then we just spent a first round pick on a RT (which, at #15 is high IMO but acceptable) and put him at LT all year only to move him to RT the next? That’s 3 positions in 3 years. I’m done with moving guys around (Hi, Adrian Jones..).

by primetime 07 on Dec 3, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i was just

about to make the same point. If I didnt like Brian Waters so much I would say trade him for a draft pick/picks whatever and move BA inside back to guard then a LT and pick up a RG and/or RG/C in FA and were looking pretty good. on our OL but I still think this teams biggest weakness is D, hell we can put points on the board. weve proven that.

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 12:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We've proven that?

What about the first 7 games of the season?

by primetime 07 on Dec 3, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what about the last 7?

: )

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No consensus

My point being that our offense has been sub-par in more than half its games.

by primetime 07 on Dec 3, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

but since weve made the change to the spread we actually have improved

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Point taken

by primetime 07 on Dec 3, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oops

not 7 i think i meant 5

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 12:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

actually 6 games

in 07 we averaged 14.1 ppg 31st in NFL
in 08 we average 18.0 ppg 26th in NFL
last 6 games average 23.5 ppg would put us at 15 in the NFL

by DT58forever on Dec 3, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Improvement

the first 7 games our offense was terrible and the last five ok to good @ best. If we continue to get better as we should our offense should be fine next year that of course will be impacted on if we lose TG. But i would think that a FA or two on defense and at least one on the OL would do wonders for the team and could affect who we draft.

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.

I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree!

Thats what I’m saying… But the thing about that is, they gotta be playmakers. Julius Peppers is a dream. But the thing about him is that he doesnt seem too happy in Carolina. So, maybe he’ll pass on the team. The addition of Peppers would make our line so much better. I mean, it will definitely help Glenn Dorsey and Tank Tyler become better pass rushers and help stop the run so much better, as offenses look to stop Peppers.

I think people here know that I’m campaigning for Bart Scott to come to Kansas City. Some ask “why?”, I think the signing of Scott will be the best thing we can get to Ray Lewis, without signing Ray Lewis, if you catch my drift. I think that Bart has learned from Ray. I think Bart can become a great leader to this team. He’s a great tackler and he’s pretty quick. Some say that he’s, “a little long in tooth” (he’s old).. But he’s 27 and still has a lot of good football left in him.

The addition of these 2 FA’s will sure as hell “do wonders” for our football team, let alone our defense. As well as a couple good picks in the draft, things would start to look up for us.

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And imagine...

Scott, Maualuga (or Laurintis), and D.J. Now, THATS a formidable LB corp.

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wow

that would be a dream come thru but would we be using Scott to blitz b/c we still wouldnt have a push rusher. If we address LB in the FA wouldn’t it be better to get a DE in the draft or vice versa killing two birds with one stone so to speak.

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.

I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but...

I’m not sure that we would draft a DE in the 1st round. Our Linebacking corp is in shambles and I would take a LB in FA and in the draft… But it also depends what pick we have.

If we don’t make a move for Julius Peppers, we MAY go DE in the 1st round and take Johnson or Orakpo. But then we just might be giving a reach.

If we were to draft Rey Maualuga, I would play him at MLB. He flies to the ball, he’s very physical, and can make all the tackles. Maualuga has given every indication of becoming the ideal middle linebacker in the NFL.
So with such physcality on the outside with Scott and D.J., We can scheme so that we have BOTH guys rotate blitz packages.

by ROC 27 on Dec 3, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs