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Chiefs: Worst to First?

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You hear about parity a lot in the NFL. The way the league is designed, teams at the lower end do have a genuine shot over a couple of years to get good players and rebuild their team.

You think about teams like the '08 Miami Dolphins, who last year nearly became the first NFL team to go 0-16.

You remember those things and wonder if the Chiefs, currently 2-10, have that same potential to surpass or even double their win count in 2009.

Tony Moss from the Sports Network chimes in on this topic:

Kansas City, which snapped a seven-game losing streak with a 20-13 win at Oakland this past Sunday, is 2-10 and might not win again in 2008. The defense has been historically horrific in a number of categories (an aside: which of the Chiefs' six sacks on the year has been your favorite?), and four different quarterbacks have thrown passes for a team nearly certain to come away with another top-five pick in next April's Draft.

Still, there are several promising developments that could lead an observer to make a case for Kansas City's possible quick ascendancy to competitive status.

Moss then goes on to list his reasons why the Kansas City Chiefs could compete for a playoff spot in 2009.

Tyler Thigpen- Of course, the hard core Chiefs fans know that Thigpen's assured role as the 2009 starter is far from concrete. Moss points out Thigpen's consistency, especially at, you know, retaining the physical ability to play football, as a big reason for success.

High draft pick- If you're a Chiefs fan, you better be skeptical about the current leadership's ability to draft well over the long term. The numbers simply aren't there. Even if the Chiefs get a high draft pick, no matter what the position, there is a real possibility of picking a bust.

Maturing roster- This one's pretty easy to handle. Guys are naturally going to get smarter and better as they continue in this league. Our 18 rookies currently on the roster, even though lots won't be on the team next year, will be markedly improved with this season under their belt.

The terrible AFC West- Sure, the Chiefs could make a run next year if the competition in our division remains as weak as it currently is. But what good is that if your team gets destroyed by a much more capable, "real" playoff team in the first round? This rebuilding isn't about playoffs. This is about actually competing at a high level on a long term basis. It's nice to have low level competition but it's also not an automatic Super Bowl win either.

Coaching staff continuity- Herm and his crew are around until at least 2010 so get used to it. Because of the Chiefs record, all of the cable sports shows and traditional media top 10 lists of coaches on the hot seat will include Herm Edwards. Don't believe them. Clark Hunt is not about to pull the rug out from underneath this organization. Herm is safe for a while.

I do think that continuity in the coaching staff and the scheme especially are big factors in a team's success. At the same time, there seems to be anecdotal evidence that a coaching regime change can do some quick good for a team.

Obviously, even going by the title of this post, I don't think the Chiefs are anywhere near a first place team talent wise. The AFC West's dissolution of competition would help a first place team but it would be 2006 all over again; a break in the clouds that we took for lasting sunshine.

Lots of people emphasize playoffs as the ultimate goal when we know better. We fell for the "nearly there" playoff trap for too many years. I don't care about the playoffs if our team is not prepared to compete once they get there.

So, the question is not when will the Chiefs make the playoffs again but when will the Chiefs create a team that will be competitive for years down the line, which may also coincide with playoffs in your mind.

Is that next year? 2010? 2011? Let us know in the poll and why in the comment section.

Poll
When will the Chiefs be competitive again?
2009
82 votes
2010
119 votes
2011
29 votes
2012
4 votes
Never with our current leadership
40 votes

274 votes | Poll has closed

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Just do not see it

With Herm and company. Expectations were for us to be better this year, and one could argue we are worse off than last year. Master evaluator Herm has only got a few picks in his drafts that look to be solid starters for years to come. Factor in his injury history with his teams, how can we be competitive for years to come?

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 7:30 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Expectations were for us to be better this year"

not for me…I went in to this season thinking 5-11 probably be the best we could do.

by PVChiefsfan on Dec 3, 2008 7:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

And that's not better then 4-12 from the previous year?

Again, not to keep yanking everyones chain, but the problem with soooo many comments is that they can be interpreted so many different ways.

To Eric - what does this mean? “Expectations were for us to be better this year” —how so, specific expectation?

To PVC --what does this mean? “not for me…I went in to this season thinking 5-11 probably be the best we could do” —-yet that was better then 4-12 from last year so in essence your expectation was that they WERE going to be better.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 8:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As Truth Said Earlier

This would probably go a lot easier if people just wrote their specific expectations for this team in their signature block. It would keep us from having to reanswer the same questions over and over.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you put

that in your signature block?

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Eric...click on your name up at the top of the page...then go to Edit Profile

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Got see expectations below.

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No...I thought our schedule this year was going to be easier than last year.

so even though we weren’t “better” we might eek out another win. Alas, I was wrong, as The NFC South and the AFC East suddenly became competitive this season.

by PVChiefsfan on Dec 3, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2010

I think we’ll be playoff competitive but with our current management I just don’t see us becoming an “elite” team.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 8:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Truth with two number 1 picks

Both are expected to make an immediate impact, we should have been at least 6-10 this year. I actually thought 10-6 this season, due to having a competent o-coordinator, scheme change, and us sneaking up on some teams. Who knew we would carryover the r2-p2, with a new coordinator. I was optimistic at the beginning of the season, actually giving Herm the benefit of doubt.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 8:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You really thought we were going to be 10-6?

Man, I want some of your ganja.
I think, while the record may not show it, we’re a better team this year than last. Yeah the D has stepped back but the Offense has improved from the slow it down, slop it up bullshit we had last year. I think we’d be close to .500 this year if we had gone with Thiggy all offseason over pussy Brodie.

by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 3, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought maybe Harm

Would have taken the reigns off considering Chan has more coaching experience than himself. PT had it right, possibly playoff competitive, but never elite.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You do not think

the change in offense has anything to do with the team having more success? Even with Bones, the old offense was not going to do anything.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I definatly think chaning the offense has been the key...

I hate the slow it down, slop it up Herm approach to offense.

by HIV 2 Elway on Dec 3, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As I believe not attacking

More on defense, does not keep other teams on their toes. Just sitting back letting teams pick us apart.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For Those Who Think This Team Is Just In Need Of A Few Tweaks On Defense

How many of those defensive players the current regime has drafted on the first day have turned out to be impact players?

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And By "Impact" I Mean Pro Bowl Caliber Starters

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Can’t wait to head to Vegas. I’m thinking about booking a trip shortly and am looking at my schedule for next season as well ;)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Page, Pollard?

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Solid Starters

But would you call them impact players? At this point, I wouldn’t.

The corners are good calls, I think, although it’s impossible to rate them after one season. But if they pan out and become impact players, that will be two. Any others?

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I Should Qualify That Remark On The Corners

By saying that I think that Carr and Flowers have played like impact players at times. So before anyone says Dorsey I’d ask, has he at any point this season played like he’s more than a solid starter?

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless Dorsey turns

out to be what he is expected to be, nope.

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cricket's chirping

MAYBE Dorsey…but I’ll make that call next year. Hali is horrible and Tank has tanked thus far. Can they turn it around? Yep. But they need to prove me wrong.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say Hali is horrible

I think he’s a serviceable LDE. He played well when he had a superstar in Jared Allen next to him. I think he’ll be fine as long as we put someone next to him.

But, on the flip side, he was drafted in the 1st round so he should be that guy who is the superstar.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That Could Be Said Of Most Players In The League

Getting a grand total of one sack on the season isn’t a serviceable performance, even if you don’t have an All-Pro on the other side. Especially when you’re not doing so hot against the run either.

And I think that’s right…Hali was our first round pick and he should have been an impact player. Especially when you consider that three impact players (Nick Mangold, Davin Joseph, and DeMeco Ryans) were taken right after him. Hali’s a bust.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dont forget

Mathias Kiwanuka

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.

I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

I noticed him, but he hasn’t been a full-time starter since he was drafted. Strahan and Omeniyura have been more productive. But he’s been solid…I just stopped short of call him an impact player.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

i agree more closely with the 6-10 moreso than the 10-6 but just because we won a game or two more doesn’t necessarily mean we were better

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 8:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone seen the opponents for next year???

Our ability to be successful next year is greatly in doubt due to the teams that we will be playing. Besides the normal AFC West opponent games, our schedule is….

Home:
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Dallas
N.Y. Giants

—-Cleveland is the only game we will be competitive in.

Away:
Baltimore
Cincinnati
Philly
Washington

— Maybe we can win at Cincy?

Not to mention we have two, as of yet, undetermined opponents from the AFC East and South. Both of these divisions are much stronger than the West and I don’t think we can compete with the marginal improvement we can expect to see in the off season.

My prediction is a realistic 4-12 next season; optimistically I can see us at 8-8 but I cannot honestly see the CHIEFS winning more than 8.

by chai1836 on Dec 3, 2008 9:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

good points

I haven’t even looked at the schedule for next year

I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am.

by KCking on Dec 3, 2008 9:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As I've said before...

…I saw this almost 2 months ago. NOW you know why I chose the goal that I did in other posts for measurement of improvement(see sig.). Some argued that those teams don’t necessarily mean losses since teams change…but considering their acquisitions and historical play they are going to be difficult wins for the Chiefs with our current trends in acquiring players.

Think about it….the other team that MIGHT be the AFC East opponent will be the one last in their division…which could be the Pats.

Soooo….’09 coming to Arrowhead: Rothlisberger, Romo, Manning, Quinn (maybe if he starts) and possibly Brady (If NE finishes last in their div.).

You think I made a bet on pure “feeling” or “gut instinct” when I said the Chiefs aren’t going to improve next season under this management? If our Defense doesn’t do a complete 180, we’re going to get lit up.

Good luck in splitting the wins against the AFC for a 4 win record.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good points,

So if we are not at least .500 next year does that mean this rebuild is a failure? That would make 4 years that Herm would have had to at least be .500. I think so, maybe not the players, but the people in charge.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My sig. says what my expectations for success are for '09

If Herm pulls out a playoff with that schedule he deserves to stick around. I never make an uneducated bet.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If He Can Go 9-7 With That Schedule

He deserves to stick around, even if he doesn’t make the playoffs. But I agree with chai…the Chiefs will be lucky to get to .500. My realistic prediction is that they’ll go 5-11, because I think Oakland is in horrible shape and San Diego is aging fast so I suspect they’ll pick up at least three division wins and beat Cleveland and Cincinnati (if Cowher pulls double duty as coach/GM in Cleveland…if he’s just the coach I think we lose that game and go 4-12. I don’t see us beating any teams out of the South or East so I don’t think it matters who final two opponents are.

And no, I will not accept 5-11 or 4-12 as a legitimate sign of progress, even if it’s better than this year’s record. That’ll be the second full year of the team rebuild and the sixth year of the defensive rebuild, which started with hiring Cunningham and if the Chiefs can’t win 9 games after that much time rebuilding then management just doesn’t have a clue what it’s doing.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.

I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So are the Chiefs

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Herm survives this year

and we start out 0-4 next season, do we see an in season firing?

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:47 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No

Because I’m jaded enough right now to believe that Clark Hunt doesn’t care. As long as Peterson’s around, I think Herm sticks around.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say he doesn't care

But he believes in Herm and his plan. A lot of us, obviously, think that’s a flawed plan but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t care.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 3, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Won't happen

The Hunt’s won’t let a HC coach go mid season. It’s not in their $$$ DNA

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Next year with that schedule 0-16?

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 9:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I Doubt It

If only because it’s very tough to go 0-16 and our division is a joke.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

1st rounder top of the heap. The only people watching will be the custodians. I hope not. Sports is strange…anything can happen. Pats went 16-0 and lost the game that mattered the most.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Point is that it's easier for me to pick single games then entire seasons

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking to Jack Harry last year

and I predicted 4-12…I lucked out. They didn’t win or lose all the games I predicted, but it was close. It’s easier to pick wins and losses with strong teams vs. obviously weaker teams. It’s much harder to pick games like Oakland and Cincy since the teams are so close in poor play.
Now the point spread….that is a different beast all it’s own. But I’ve been close.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Coughlin vs. Herm Edwards?

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 10:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Coughlin

…they hated him in NY, but he produced, that’s the difference.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me be more specific

Produced = SB

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And on their way to a SB two years in a row.

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And

He had a winning record even before his Super Bowl year…he also won 5 division titles (Herm has yet to win one).

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wade Phillips?

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 10:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Now if we have a new coach next season..

does that change anyones expectations?

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 10:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Depending on the person, yes

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Two different questions, "but I'm not trying to break your balls" - Gordon Ramsey quote

Your first question was:

So, the question is not when will the Chiefs make the playoffs again but when will the Chiefs create a team that will be competitive for years down the line

I think that team is being "created"at this time and will continue.
The poll question was:

When will the Chiefs be competitive again?

I would hope for 2009 but I am more realistic to think 2010 at the earliest.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 10:06 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

2010 the year of "no more salary cap"

Think about that for a while and then we’ll be talkinga bout who’s going to spend the msot money to buy the players. Hunt’s won’t hunt.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jones in Dallas, or dude from Washington.

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you beat me to it

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

my thoughts EXACTLY to both Eric and Lanier….but it’ll be Dan Snyder (Washington owner). The dude grew up a Redskins fan…he’s in his mid thirties, a self made billionaire (off the internet) and bought the team for cash and was still richer then most team owners.

He’ll buy it…you becha.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 3, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But one man will be "Jonesin" to jump at anyone and everyone

trying to use the hip words again :)

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 3, 2008 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Get um dawg!

At least 10-6 next year taking our division, or Herm goes.

by Eric Allen on Dec 3, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Non-Capped Year

I agree with that. If Clark Hunt is being a cheap bastard right now, when his payroll is capped, we’re absolutely screwed once the collective bargaining agreement expires in 2010. Teams with low payrolls can win. Teams with low payrolls run by GMs who can’t evaluate talent always suck.

If Hunt decides to keep Peterson around past his current contract, Chiefs fans can take that to mean that the Chiefs will never win a Super Bowl as long as Hunt owns the team.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's why this year and next were important

in the rebuilding process b/c CP and Herm or even the Hnts should’ve brought in the FAs this year signed them to at least three to four year deals so that hopefully a new CBA will be signed and we dont get completely hosed in ‘10 in free agancy but who knows they would’ve probably have picked duds anyway ie BJ Sams or SackIntosh 2.0 or someone equally as bad.

When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.

I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title

by madtheory on Dec 3, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Or Napoleon Harris Or DeMorrio Williams

Both of them were given long-term free agent deals and neither was good for us. Harris might have been if Gunther knew what the hell he was doing with the linebackers and if the Chiefs hadn’t dumped him. Williams seems to be exactly what I said he was before the season…a guy who wasn’t that great of a linebacker who played on a really terrible defense last year. Basically, a bust.

The Chiefs should win 5 to 6 games this year and no less than 4 for this season to be considered progress in any way. If he can't win at least 9 games next season, Herm's a joke.

by UCrawford on Dec 3, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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