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He was out of bounds but that didn't stop Herm from challenging.

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Adam Teicher speculates on Herm Edwards' future with the organization:

There’s also a business aspect to the decision. The firing of Edwards could energize a fan base that is rapidly becoming apathetic. Season tickets, once stopped at about 70,000, topped out at about 60,000 this year.

The Kansas City Star says we better get a move on if we want Pioli:

If they are interested in New England vice president Scott Pioli, they might need to move quickly after the Patriots failed to make the playoffs. That’s because the Cleveland Browns might have an interest in hiring Pioli.

Bob Gretz has audio of his interview with Larry 'I want out' Johnson.

Joe Posnanski says the Chiefs' season can be summed up in about 4 plays:

It’s pretty clear: You are telling your own team that you do not believe they can score a touchdown from the 1-yard line. You are telling your own team that you would rather risk a precious timeout late in the game than trust them to punch the football in. You are telling the opposing defense to rest up because you have absolutely no confidence in your own team’s ability to pick up one bleeping yard with four bleeping plays.

Bob Gretz is talking sacks:

So how did it happen?  Well start with the trade of Jared Allen to Minnesota.  That took 17 sacks away from the Chiefs defense and they were unable to replace them.  They didn’t even get close.  In 16 games, they were shutout from taking down the passer 10 times.  In three other games, they were able to get one sack.  The best sack game they had was three against San Diego two weeks ago.

Tyler Thigpen states his case to be the starter in 2009:

"Look at the way I’ve played," said Thigpen, in his second year with the team. "Look at the way the offense has moved. Look at the way, you know, guys are so much more energetic when they’re out there with me. It’s like those guys got a second wind in the second half of the season, when I became the starter."

Kent Babb is blaming the defense (and rightfully so):

Players such as Babin and linebacker Rocky Boiman were acquired because of numerous injuries that plagued the Chiefs. Kansas City has blamed those injuries for its horrific defense, but the fact was that the Chiefs started eight of the same players Sunday against the Bengals as they did in their opener at New England.

Tony Gonzalez on playing down (or up) to the competition:

"I feel like we always play to the level of our competition, and that’s no disrespect to the Bengals," Gonzalez said. "We’ve gone out there against teams that are going to the playoffs and we’ve played them really well and we’ve put up points. For some reason we couldn’t put up points against a defense that didn’t have a lot of their starters out there.

"It doesn’t make sense to me."

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Posnanski Always Says It Best
Last year, Baltimore, Miami and Atlanta were all hopeless — this year all three are in the playoffs. There’s no time to waste in the NFL. You can turn things around quick in the NFL. More to the point, you have to turn things around quick in the NFL. A long rebuilding project is just one that isn’t working.

Even Pos doesn’t buy into the long “rebuilds”.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 29, 2008 8:43 AM CST reply actions  

And I've been saying this all year to the pundints

Football has changed as a game and a business. There are so many facets and people involved in the business process that a player can’t take a dump without it being evaluated.
There’s nothing wrong with “rebuilding”. What’s wrong or right is HOW you go about rebuilding and with what type of staff.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 29, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

this reminds me of a nightmare epiode of "Flip This House"

you hire a contractor (head coach) to rebuild your home (team) and he thinks as long as he is having material delivered to the site (fielding a team each week) he can nail up a few boards each week (pick people off of other teams practice squads) and throw some paint on the house (score a touchdown or two) and keep his job with no explanation on why its taking so long (Herm press conference).

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 29, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

That’s why it’s important to set goals for the team, not just frame things in vague terms of “progress” that doesn’t measure anything.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 29, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

You mean measurable goals?

It always seems to go back to that doesn’t it? :)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 29, 2008 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

It Does

I suppose that one of the reasons Herm got on my nerves so much was that his evaluation of this team was identical to Bush’s evaluation of Iraq over his time in office (and I absolutely hate Bush). It could basically be boiled down to “Success means whatever I say success means, no matter how badly I screw things up I’ll never admit a mistake, and if you don’t like it you can go fuck yourself.” And I always found that sort of willful stupidity and arrogance unforgiveable in a leader. With Herm it was more of an annoyance thing than it was with Bush because in the end it’s just football with Herm (whereas Bush’s stupidity had real-life consequences that got a lot of people needlessly killed) but that mentality and unwillingness to critically self-evaluate is an abhorrent characteristic in someone in a leadership position and should never be tolerated.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 29, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Leaders Should Always Be Willing To Hold Themselves Accountable

Whether that means admitting mistakes or simply correcting them quietly, they should never tolerate the status quo when the status quo isn’t producing tangible, measurable results.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 29, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't it funny how that works out?

We are a very forgiving society and I think we always give people a second and sometimes 3rd chance. All we ask for in return is to accept responsibility and perform better.
Herm has yet to take any responsibility for his actions/decisions and what absolutely astounds me is that there are some that defend that type of behavior. He has an arrogant attitude and refuses to accept responsibility, even after his drafting (YES, his drafting and roster decisions). Making comments such as: we’re 90-95% there with the players.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 29, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

thats the truth!

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 29, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends

Offering their still-beating hearts up to a hostile crowd isn’t “accountability”, in my book.

This season sucked. OTOH, anyone with a clue knew that this season would suck from the get-go, if not this bad. The top 2 QBs, plus a host of others going down to injury made things worse. So did an under-performing O-line and D-line (and LB corps, come to that).

So, instead of going 6-10, we went 2-14. I don’t really find that terribly surprising, in retrospect. Ain’t no way we were going to make a playoff apperance this year.

Hmmm…

If “you are what your record says you are”, as another poster has quoted, then KC was a legitimate playoff contender under Herm, because they made it in, and that’s all their record says. (Me, I say they were /less/ than their record said, that year…)

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 30, 2008 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely agree

What’s worse is that the rebuilding mantra masks a poor job. My problem has never been Herm’s approach, it’s been the job he’s done with implementing that approach. At some point you’re not rebuilding, you’re just sucking at your job.

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by Ridiculous Matt on Dec 29, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I Don't Think Anyone Really Had A Problem With Rebuilding

In fact, teams should always be looking to rebuild/reload/go younger/etc. The point of contention was mainly over whether Herm and Carl were capable of doing that effectively. Based on what happened with the Chiefs this season, I’d say that clearly they weren’t.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 29, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Clark needs to step up

Fire Herm’s corny-ass and end our long nightmare. Teams make quick turn arounds in the NFL and Herm can’t hide behind this “we’re young” crap. He’s not a good coach. Thigpen is not a good QB. An offense that has to go shotgun on the first down at the one is a joke. Listening to what players on a 2-14 team want is lunacy. Herm is a steady progression backwards the year before he got here the team was 10-6. Under 9-7,4-12,2-14, I guess next year it will be 1-15. What else is there to say?

by FrankPitts on Dec 29, 2008 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

As long as I'm in a bad mood...

Yeah, fire Herm.

Then, we can bring in Matt Millen as GM, and Art Shell as HC, and next year we’ll have a SB contender next year…

(Yes, that’s sarcasm – that’s all someone who’s forgotten that the Chiefs had no running game before the spread was implemented, and blaming it on Thigpen, deserves.)

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 30, 2008 2:07 AM CST up reply actions  

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