Clark Hunt Talking with Marty Schottenheimer

by Chris Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 3:50 PM CST in GM Search Comment 56 comments

Jay Glazer reported this afternoon on FOX that Kansas City Chiefs owner Clark Hunt recently interviewed/talked with Marty Schottenheimer for a "Bill Parcells type" position in the organization. No official word on this quite yet but Jay Glazer is as solid a source as you can find.

Possibly related is the recent report from Bob Gretz that Hunt did interview at least one candidate last week. However, Glazer said the chances of Marty returning to the Chiefs in such a role is a "long shot."

That's really all the news we have to go on right now. I figured this was worthy of a front page mention and we'll update this with any more relevant information that comes up.

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The Truth

I think Chris is listening to you closely for his subject matter. Ask for a huge royalty check!

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

lol....When my friends kids ask "What, no tip?" when I ask them to bring me a drink..... I usually tell them:

“Don’t play with matches”

The only “royalty” Chris probably thinks I am is that I’m a “Royal pain in the ass” :)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was dissapointed to a degree to first hear this

thinking that he couldn’t be talking with anyone who currently works for another team. But now that I know who it was, I am more excited to know we aren’t looking only at has beens.

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 4:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Not crazy about Schottenheimer as a GM type

Marty is a great coach and motivator, but him setting up as GM is kind of scary to me. For one thing it would almost guarantee conversion to the 3-4 defense for which we don’t have the personnel.

Also with the type of offenses Marty has had over the years, I would be very concerned about how aggressive he would be going after a franchise type QB and the type of offensive schemes we would end up with.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 28, 2008 4:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He wouldn't be the GM

If it’s similar to the Miami set-up, then Schottenheimer would be the President or something and would then hire a GM who would report to him. The GM would then get the coach.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

rim shot

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well same as

He would be calling the shots. Essentially he controls the team and someone else does the paperwork.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 28, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm cool with Schotty as GM

but whats this say for “fresh eyes”? I don’t like the 3-4 and if Schotty comes I think our “rebuild” hasn’t even begun yet. Which means, essentially, this last 3 years was a waste. I want someone to pick up where Herm left off. I don’t dog on Herm for the talent he’s drafted, I dog on Herm for simply being unable to coach them…

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 28, 2008 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

did Marty rebuild the Chargers when he went there?

or was the team set up for him?

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Marty didn't have a lot of peronnel control in San Diego

The GM took care of pretty much all of that, going as far as demanding Schottenheimer play Rivers over Brees.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 28, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that was a big problem between them

Between Marty and A.J. Smith.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I could be wrong but,

Marty has had 4-3 and 3-4 teams over the years. It just depended on his Def. coordinator.

by TheQ on Dec 28, 2008 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

What did they play in San Diego?

Thanks Q for pointing that out. Didn’t know that..

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 28, 2008 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

3-4 in SD

by Joel Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wade Phillips was a big part of that.

by TheQ on Dec 28, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd like marty as GM.

Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.

by nfamous209 on Dec 28, 2008 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sentimentally

the move would have value. I think a lot of Chefs fans in general are loyal and good hearted people that long for the “glory” days. I, personally, fell in love with Chiefs football as a youth with my Dad when Marty first came to KC. I think the general public would like embrace move whereas pundits would criticize the move. Why I would like is because our team needs a return to Marty’s type of practices.

Hypothetically speaking, if Marty got the job, what does everyone think would happen to Cunningham?

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 28, 2008 4:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That would be on the GM/Coaching Staff

Glazer’s report isn’t saying Marty would be the GM. He would be the top man in charge, like a President or something, and then hire a GM who would then hire a coach.

But, yes, sentimentally I would like the move. Marty had a lot of good years here.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It won't take fans long to turn on him

That’s the bad thing about bringing Marty back. Fans already got sick of him once and while yes many regretted his leaving once things got worse after he left, if things don’t improve in a hurry or the fans perceive the offense as being too conservative it will be a short trip for the fans to go back to being disgruntled and turning on him.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 28, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Marty knows football

I think he would bring a lot of value to a President like position. Who would want to work in a GM role under Marty? That might shorten the list quite a bit?

I still think Cunningham is gone on principal alone. Really hard to say much positive about the D.

by TheQ on Dec 28, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gExeX1lPtI

We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.

"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Player Talent

If anyone reads my comments they know I’m a Hali fan, but I have to say Babin is a better player. Regardless of todays sack, by the means I measure Hali’s talent by consistently getting into the backfield and disrupting the line – Babin is even better. Hali uses moves and his agility whereas Babin seems to use his power and its very effective. He played on the left side on a 3-4 scheme in Houston (if I remember correctly) and if we draft a DE in R1 we should look at him on the LE. He has two sacks and if you remember last week techinically had one but just didnt bring Pennington down. That would have been 3 sacks in close to half the playing time Hali’s received…

Thigpen’s performance may have been a good thing today in that it answers some of our questions about if he’s possibly the future. He is what he is (Hermism) and thats a second/third string QB. I like him in KC as depth to the team but not starter material. We clerarly (as we suspected at the beginning of the season) need to address our QB situation in the offseason. Losman does not appear to be the answer either as I once believed and I don’t buy Cassel will be also without an improved line. To me Cassel is to Belichick what Thigpen is Gailey. He doesn’t appear to be able to run anything but the spread offense and his success I equally contribute to Chan as much as I do to Tyler.

by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 28, 2008 4:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

+1 on Babin

He has good pressure UP THE FIELD with Tamba rarely gets, oh and he also has a COUNTER move…which is crazy because i’m pretty sure that i have never seen Tamba counter to the inside. He is also big and strong enough to just bull rush and he plays the run with the best of them. Give him a year in an offseason program and with his teammates (also some conditioning) and we could ahve a diamond in the rough, just like i said several weeks ago. Glad somebody else has noticed.

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

by bigbe on Dec 28, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm Still Not That High On Him

But he seems to have done well enough to get himself a reserve spot on next year’s team. I doubt he’d ever be that good of a starter.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 28, 2008 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who's on this year's team that you really like?

Coaches, too, if you have any.

I’m curious…

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 28, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What, On Our Team This Year You Mean?

I like Chan Gailey on the coaching staff. That’s about it. But I won’t exactly be devastated if he’s not here next year because his offense wasn’t all that…it was just better than Herm’s usual.

Players: I like Dorsey, Derrick Johnson (who I don’t think is a superstar-in-waiting, but who I think will benefit from some better coaching), Albert, Carr, Flowers, Page, Pollard, Bowe, Bradley, Gonzalez, Waters (although if we can trade him for a good pick it wouldn’t be a bad thing because he’s getting older), Charles, and Thigpen (although I still want another QB brought in). I think Babin might be okay as a reserve, same with Boiman. Taylor might be an okay reserve LT, but if the new coach decides to go elsewhere I won’t complain.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 28, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I Might Be Missing A Couple Of Players' Names

But those are the ones I think show the most promise. The rest are filler or scrubs.

I am a bit curious to see what Tyler and McBride could accomplish with a better line coach tutoring them. Hali I’ve soured on a lot…he was solid with Jared Allen taking pressure off him but horrible without Allen.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 28, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I tend to agree

regarding sub-coordinator coaches. The ST coach might look worse than he really is, what with the revolving-door of players, and the youth in general.

Hali might do well enough as a “Neil Smith” to someone else in a DT (high-end pass rusher) role, but I agree he’s not a premier pass-rusher.

Maybe Tony G would be worth a trade, but I can’t see dealing O-line talent away, given how bad they were this year.

Agreed on competition for Bones, but I suspect we may differ on how high we go for that new guy (or two). I do think we need a new QB coach, and to settle on next year’s OC pretty quick. Competition’s good, but newer QBs take some grooming, IMO. Unless we bring in a stallar FA QB, I think we do better in the position that it’s his job to lose, rather than an open competition, if you follow me.

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 28, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm Okay With Thigpen For Now

I like the kid and he’s shown some promise. But under no circumstances should the Chiefs pull the same crap they did last year with Croyle and hand him the job by default. And to be honest, I question how good Thigpen’s going to be in an offense besides the spread. Basically, if we’ve got a shot at Matt Cassel or Sam Bradford and they fit what the new coach wants to do, I think we should go for those options instead of banking on Thigpen to get much better.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 28, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to say it

I don’t think he can play anything but the spread otherwise we wouldn’t have changed to the spread in the first place when he became our QB. He had time in preseason to adjust and Chan saw what he was.
I’ll give the kid a chance to compete. He deserves as much. It still bothers me that he couldn’t adapt to our scheme during training camp and pre-season and all the practices. That just sticks in my craw and is the reason I have a problem believing he’s the solution.
If we get some “position fillers” to take up space in the offseason instead of really making an effort, I’m goign to be pissed.

Miami had 29 new players this year and made the biggest turnaround in NFL history. Put that in your “rebuild” pipe and smoke it Herm. They (Parcell’s) got a OC from Dallas and put him as the HC to lead the way. They’re in the playoffs and Dallas is staying home after 4 dismal performances.
For next year, I expect being close to what Miami is this year. They’ve proven the ability to make a turnaround so we have no more excuses for rebuilding. It’s an overused excuse that’s proven it’s bullshit qualities.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're dead wrong

“I don’t think he can play anything but the spread otherwise we wouldn’t have changed to the spread in the first place when he became our QB. He had time in preseason to adjust and Chan saw what he was.”

It take a /running game/ to run something beyond the spread. Who plans on having a plan for their 3rd-stringer to run exclusively? For your premise to be valid, Bones would have been running the spread in his /first/ start. He didn’t. He failed, because there /wasn’t/ a conventional offense to run.

That wasn’t “the truth”, it was just your opinion.

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 29, 2008 1:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

To expand:

Huard couldn’t win with the O, nor could Croyle. Hell, I doubt Peyton Manning could have mustered it, either. Not back when they were pretending that it was a “power running” O (when it wasn’t).

Nope, even after further consideration, you didn’t post “the truth”. Just another opinion, and less relevant than, say, Ucraw’s.

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 29, 2008 1:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You can blame it on the O-line

But I blame it on his decisions in the pocket as well. You don’t throw to 2 players the majority of the games and expect the Defense “not to catch on”. Furthermore, he threw into quadruple coverage this last game and his long balls are statistically rated last in the league.

He can compete for the position during the off-season and if he wins it, so be it.

Huard couldn’t win with the O,

And you’re wrong about Huard not winning with the “O”. He was the QB for week 4 against the Broncos’ where we won 33-19. The NON-SPREAD offense. That’s the truth.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.

Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.

by THE_TRUTH on Dec 29, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cassel?

Well, maybe. Bradford? I don’t follow the college game, so I can’t say about his skills.

What I /can/ say is that high draft picks do /not/ get to camp early, or often. They wait until the money’s set. Look at Russell, among others. Draft a QB at #3, and you might as well commit to starting Bones, ‘cause ain’t no way the FNG will be ready to lead the Chiefs next season. Believing otherwise is a pipe dream, or plain hoping for a fluke. Just my NSHO.

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 29, 2008 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And Cottam Might Be Good

We didn’t see a lot of him this year but he appeared to be promising enough to keep around. Oh, and of course Colquitt and Barth. Out of all of the problems with this team I think we’re set with our kicking/punting game.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 28, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you on almost every single player...except DJ

I’m a patient fan, i’ve played the game and i know how hard it is to be a good (read: consistent) player in competitive football especially the NFL. I have watched DJ since DV drafted him and i have to say i’m completely unimpressed with him as a 4th year starter and former 1st rnd pick. He SHOULD be the man, he SHOULD be terrorizing offenses off the edge as well as in coverage. The dude is a freak, plain and simple, there is not too many guys with his combo of strength/size/speed. But he was a non-factor in almost every game except our 1st denver game. That inconsistency (which has been his problem almost every year) is what keeps him out of my good graces, i think he looks lazy on the field, and he doesn’t seem to hustle. He also has a tendency to not show up until the 4th quarter, like he was sleep walking the first 3.

Now in his defense, it is not all HIS fault, coaching is a huge part of the game in general and also the maturation process of a young player. His coaches have obviously sucked, as the output of the entire LB corps has shown us, so I’m willing to cut him some slack in some areas. However i really think he should be making more plays just based off of his athleticism.

I agree that he is a superstar in terms of potential and ability but until he finds a way to motivate himself to be the best he is going to wallow in mediocrity. (and it would help if we got a mentor/coach for him as well.) I’m not saying i don’t like him or i don’t want him to be here (i wouldn’t be mad if we traded him for some picks) but i think he has some serious work to do before he will be the type of player that offenses gameplan around (the type of player he should be).

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

by bigbe on Dec 29, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson

I agree that he’s underachieved. And I think his ceiling has been misjudged a bit based on his tools as opposed to his skills. I see him as more Broderick Thomas than Derrick Thomas…but he can still be an asset to the team as a Broderick Thomas, or even as a poor man’s Broderick Thomas.

Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.

by UCrawford on Dec 29, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

GM

I want a real GM, somebody that has actually worked in the personnel department. I like Marty and respect Marty but that page has turned.

by FrankPitts on Dec 28, 2008 5:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Also remember

From all accounts Clark is going to look at an extensive list of people many of which can’t be interviewed until their teams exit the playoffs. Marty is one of the few available for conversation.

by FrankPitts on Dec 28, 2008 5:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Please Not Marty Again!!!!

Let’s stop hiring losing coaches. Marty hasn’t won a meaningful game in his entire career. If we don’t go after Bill Cowher all out then we are just stupid, stupid, stupid!!!!

by Dr Chuck_ChiefsFan on Dec 28, 2008 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Bill Cowher and Marty

are about on par with each other. Cowher just got more chances to stick with it until he got the right group to go all the way.

by dragon6172 on Dec 28, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good point dragon, I've always said that. The continuity certainly paid-off in PIT, even in spite of a few bad seasons. Cowher eventually got his Bowl...I think Marty could have either in KC or SD if given more time. Ink Cowher if possible.

by dsouth on Dec 28, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not in KC

Marty lost control of his team – that’s a death sentence for a HC. No amount of time will let him recover enough to win a SB.

Maybe in SD, but as noted, Marty tended to go over-conservative in playoff games.

Ink Cowher if practical, sure. Just don’t bet the farm on it.

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 28, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously.

Look at Wade Phillips.

Talk about losing control of a team. I don’t know if anyone else saw the Dal/PHI game, but I swear, early on in the 3rd quarter, it was 4th-and-inches and Wade called for a punt, but Romo told them to get off the field and they ended up going for it.

by rockchalk on Dec 28, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I saw it

Romo totally overrode Phillips. It worked but still…

by FrankPitts on Dec 28, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Possible options...

Marty did lose control of the team which can be attributed to many factors that were in and out of his control. If marty were to be a “consultant” for the team then I think this could be extremely beneficial for us. Not only does he have sway with Cowher, (who is still probably the best coach on the market) he also brings a different demeanor to the orgainzation and will effectively weed out players such as LJ’s pathetic ass and many others who are not dedicated to the organization.

However, I am still open with bringing in ANYBODY outside of the organization to take over the reigns and turn this thing around. Maybe Parcells after he opts out of his contract….

by never say die on Dec 29, 2008 12:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

different question.

I was addressing the silliness of Marty “being able to win a SB in KC, given enough time”.

Maybe he could swing it as a consultant, I dunno.

If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.

by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 29, 2008 1:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Marty and Cowher

Please let’s get real here. How many chances does Marty get. Remember,He was the coach for the Browns during “the Drive” I think Marty has had too many chances. Unless we hire two coaches, Marty for the regular season and someone else for the playoffs we should pass on Marty.
Cowher has won playoff games. Marty not many.

by Dr Chuck_ChiefsFan on Dec 28, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cowher doubtful

He is the crown jewel but from most accounts he is a win now guy. He’s Phil Jackson ready to take over a contender but not willing to go thru some sort of rebuild. Not at this stage of his career.

by FrankPitts on Dec 28, 2008 7:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

Cowher isn’t going to rebuild a team. He is going to take over a team already largely put together with an already established QB and take them the rest of the way.

Cowher is a good coach, but anyone should win with 14 years under the most stable franchise in the NFL.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 28, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This point in his career

He’s only 51 years old which is still pretty young for a head coach.

by Joel Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This point in his career

Being that he is the most sought after head coach because of his success in Pittsburg. He goes to Cleveland or KC and doesn’t win in a couple years he loses the reputation he has now.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 28, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Then why come back ever?

The risk of losing your reputation is there with any team (more so with a team that’s already built IMO).

by Joel Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Because he loves football and can make more money

Its not saying Cowher is a bad coach. He is a good one. He has enough wealth and reputation that at this point he can afford for a nice cushy job to come up with some organization that has an established QB and a nice veteran team together that he can just take over and take them to the next level.

Parcells likes to take teams that are bad and build them up into contenders, then he gets bored with them. The building seems to be the part he enjoys. I’m not sure Cowher is the same way. From the rumors we hear supposedly from friends and family around him, Cowhers not looking for a challenge, he’s looking for a nice softball job that he can continue building success with.

by ChiefDJ on Dec 28, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs