Same Old Chiefs In Season Finale Loss To Bengals
by Joel Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 3:10 PM CST
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Where shall we start?
- Larry Johnson and Jamaal Charles combine for 27 yards rushing
- Tyler Thigpen's 191 yards on 19/36 passing was underwhelming
- Cedric Benson dropped 111 rushing yards on 25 carries. Yes, that Cedric Benson.
We lost the toilet bowl. In fact, we were dominated.
Yes, there were some positives as well:
- Dwayne Bowe tops 1,000 yards for the season
- Jason Babin recorded a sack
- The secondary held the Bengals to 129 yards passing (but they were missing their top 2 receivers and their quarterback)
Oh, and we're the worst pass rush defense. Ever. 10 sacks for the year, 3 short of the previous record.
Interesting statistic for the day is Tyler Thigpen's passer rating by quarter for the season as follows:
1st quarter: 100.9
2nd quarter: 82.3
3rd quarter: 68.3
4th quarter: 55.8
The Chiefs season is over but with a GM search looming along with another high 1st round draft pick in April, the exciting part of the Chiefs season is just starting.
To cheer some of you up, however, think about the Chiefs season this way: Effective immediately, King Carl's reign is over.
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Proposals for the Off-season
We don’t know how the draft is going to shake out, or who is going to declare. But assuming the Lions take Bradford #1 overall…
1) Sign Cassel and get a pass rusher or a RB.
or
2) Go with Thigpen, spend the money somewhere else, and go with a pass rusher or a RB.
Banny being Banny.
by JobDDT on Dec 28, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No Running Backs In The First Round
If we get Cassel we need a defensive lineman, offensive lineman or linebacker. We’re fine at running back (not to mention we’re already blowing a ton of cash on that position).
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 28, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ill add it
PERIOD
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL...agree PERIOD
‘nuff said. Don’t need to add anymore to it.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO RUNNING BACK!
If we have learned anything the past few years it would be that running backs are a dime a dozen…it is all on the LINE…Offensive Line is needed, badly…
by woodman212 on Dec 28, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
No running backs in the first round ever again, unless it’s someone like Adrian Peterson, which probably isn’t happening anytime soon.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Dec 28, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was here to say the same!
I say if we really want a QB (funny how many people are whining now after 1 bad game since ATL) then go BUY Matt Cassel. We would actually save money because you KNOW a first round pick will cost more! Look at Matt Ryan vs Tom Brady money. Get a LB or DE (I like Tank and Dorsey) with our 1st round pick. And then fill the other (LB/DE) spot w/ our next pick. I truly feel we are 1 LB (middle) and a Pass Rushing DE from being a great Defense (by the way, I think fire Gunther and move Herm to DC). 3rd round and after get the best OL available.
That’s my arm-chair QBing
by Dustin SLO,CA on Dec 28, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can never move a head coach to coordinator in the NFL.
Generally it is believed doing that would undermine the new head coach and ruin any authority the DC/OC would have.
Banny being Banny.
by JobDDT on Dec 28, 2008 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't think it would happen
I just think it would be a good thing. I like havimg herm around. Everyone seems to like playing for him. I just don’t like him at head coach obviously. He’s a defensive guy anyway. It’s not like he’s gonna get any HC offers if he’s fired…
by Dustin SLO,CA on Dec 28, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Gunther from HC to DC?
Although there were a few years in between there.
by Joel Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thigpen's performance this season
looked like a f-ing bell-curve
Awful start
peaked in the middle
awful finish
by Ochophosphate on Dec 28, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I almost renegged him to certain 3rd string material
…the last TD saved him from my sig. line.
I don’t think I can handle anymore passing into double and triple coverage next year.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was pulling for him this year
but today he defiantly solidified my opinion that he is nothing better than a #2, he’s been throwing a lot of ducks and balloons lately and even keeps trying to force his passes in to nothing less than quadruple coverage at times.
by oldchiefsfan on Dec 28, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there really any scenario that the Lions don't take Bradford?
I know it’s way too early without the combine but as of now.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on Dec 28, 2008 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stafford maybe
Some people like him better, more experienced, better arm and size. Plus a lot of teams don’t believe in taking a QB first. Miami took Jake Long…
by FrankPitts on Dec 28, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...6 pts.
against the 25th rated Defense in the league
and 16pts. given up to the 32nd (league worst) Offense in the league
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
it took damn near 8 tries from inside the 3 to score
by Ochophosphate on Dec 28, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta have a Line to run
or to stop the run, for that matter.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 28, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just got in from the airport
It doesn’t look good…
by Chris Thorman on Dec 28, 2008 3:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it smells even worse
like feces
by Ochophosphate on Dec 28, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It didn't look good from the start
We didn’t get past the 50 from 12 minutes into the first quarter until the 3rd quarter…..and that was due to a penalty against Cincy.
Horrible, Horrible….Cincy won the stink bowl..
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting statistic for the day is Tyler Thigpen’s passer rating by quarter for the season as follows:
1st quarter: 100.9
2nd quarter: 82.3
3rd quarter: 68.3
4th quarter: 55.8
Sooooo, jsut as in previous games we regress in the second half. DJ was right, this isn’t the Offensive coaching’s fault.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The is something to that statistic
and it is not good.
by TheQ on Dec 28, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In other news,
Derek Johnson… what do we do with that guy?
Banny being Banny.
by JobDDT on Dec 28, 2008 3:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
FIRE HIM TOO!
I’m going to do a post specifically on him this week. I’m sorry guys, but I don’t agree with the overall assessment on DJ. He is either not that good or just doesn’t play that good on game day. You dont need a great position coach or Def Coord to learn to play with passion and DJ has none.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
How many times has he had an easy pick (possibly a pick six) that he just dropped? At least 2 (today and the Jets), both of those drops are game changing plays and definitely result in the loss.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Dec 28, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
Gunther and Krumrie are gone by week’s end. Herm will be gone within the next two weeks.
Herm Edwards will not be the Chiefs' head coach next season.
by UCrawford on Dec 28, 2008 3:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So, you're saying Clark will make the decision even without a GM?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW...Fox confirmed during the pre-game that Marty interviewed with Clark
for a “Bill Parcell’s type position” within the organization
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lanier...I only speak "The Truth"
I saw and heard it.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
:)
I hear ya
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got your back...I'm your Bell :)
If he’s lying then I’m lying, but Glazer said it. You got a right to rub your ears :) I did a double-take too so I absolutely understand you questioning it. It was speculation before on this board, but why would Glazer state it on national TV if he wasn’t sure?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was more kinda "happy to hear it"
than questioning the validity
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I gotcha...I didn't take it in a bad way at all.
It was a “Great Googly Moogly” moment..in a good way.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And NO, we're not going anywhere for a while...hopefully next season :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSAXLayoMKI
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wasnt it Chris Mortenson
that used to call us the “Chefs” until we had a winning season years ago?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you are correct sir!!!!!!
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Marty could get his Super Bowl
from the front office? He would definitely bring back the Pride in this organization. He is probably not my first choice, but he is an interesting candidate.
by TheQ on Dec 28, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...in all his "Bald" glory
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see him hiding across the street from Marty's house
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Still, Glazer describes such an arrangement as a "long shot."
by woodman212 on Dec 28, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get you point.
But, I don’t think Clark would waste his time interviewing him if it wasn’t a good possibility in his mind. I wouldn’t use “long shot”….I’d use “in the running” or “short list” because I think Clark’s that type of owner.
Who knows, we’ll see.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2nd or 3rd pick?
I’m seeing conflicting reports?
by ashleylat on Dec 28, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2nd...St. Louis had an easier schedule barely. They showed the strength of schedule stats on TV
BTW…it was very close
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If St Louis had an easier schedule they get the 2nd picks
Easier schedule and the same record so they are worse on paper.
by ashleylat on Dec 28, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Primetime?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Dec 28, 2008 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He must be eating one of the Parade's guilt free bacon cheese roll-ups!
Call 9-1-1.
by TheQ on Dec 28, 2008 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A SUICIDE ROLL!?!?!?!?
….we need an intervention!
by woodman212 on Dec 28, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the new name of it!
I vote for “Suicidie Roll” to be the name of Parade’s abomination for future references….
by KansasCityShuffle on Dec 28, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look what I found!
This bastard is called the Bacon Explosion
It’s a lot like the Suicide Roll… but more meat… and no cheese.
I think both should be consumed at or near a hospital, just in case.
by Ochophosphate on Dec 29, 2008 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Jay Glazer's Sunday Scoops
CHIEFS — FOXSports.com has learned that team owner Clark Hunt met this past week with their former head coach Marty Schottenheimer to discuss the possibility of a VP, Bill Parcells-type of position with the team. It’s unclear whether they decide to go that route, but it’s likely a long shot.
by oldchiefsfan on Dec 28, 2008 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love the NFL....
We are out…but there are great games today…
Dallas/Philly…a playoff game….
Chargers/Broncs….a playoff game…
gotta love it, no matter how much you hate the teams…
by woodman212 on Dec 28, 2008 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
keep thiggy, get work on O and D line,
keep thiggy, get some Offensive line help to open up running lanes for LJ and CHarles, and get some D line, to stop running attacks and get pass rush going. sign a quality free agents to fill positions we really strugling at. DE is one that needs a vet, and Oline needs a vette, dont put rookies there. then sign some rooks to Dline and Line backers. for depth. our secondary is fine, recieving core is fine. our qb, we need a 3rd. thiggy is fine once we get a good qb coach to guide him.
Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.
by nfamous209 on Dec 28, 2008 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hothus just said that Thigpen should be “penciled” into the spot. Get a veteran and a high to low first round pick and let them compete for the job (Holthus). I’ve been saying that for a while. According to Holthus, he’ll be a good backup either 2nd or 3rd string.
He’ll compete, and if he wins it, he’ll earn it. Hothus made a good point that Thigpen regressed during this game and shouldn’t be guaranteed the spot.
We’ll keep Thigpen, but I don’t see him 1st string, especially if we get rid of the spread.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't /nobody/ gonna look like a 1st-stringer
until the O-line gets fixed. Especially a guy in his 1st season at starting QB, be it Thiggy this year, or Target-boi next year. Maybe a vet could swing it – but you won’t find a quality vet QB who’d be willing to come here unless he’s confident of a solidly upgraded O-line.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 28, 2008 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But, let the QB's compete for the job
I don’t see Thigpen being the 1st stringer when they compete side by side. We’re not talking about O-line, we’re talking about capability of the QB position. We’ll see when the new HC calls out the list of QB’s for the 1-3 spot after training camp and pre-season (if it takes that long to decide). If I’m wrong and he makes it, so be it….but I don’t see it happening. Thigpen is what he is and proved it against the 25th rated Defense.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
The Chiefs need to be playoff contenders in 2009 for me to consider improvement. Clark wanted it in 2008...I'll give them an additional year.
Thigpen WILL NOT be the Chiefs starting QB next year IMO. He can compete for the job and should be 2nd or 3rd string.
by THE_TRUTH on Dec 28, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the running game was what it was
incapable. 1st-season QBs with no running game, and little line help seldom look good. A good HC will understand that fact.
Face it: Bones /had/ to throw fades into the end zone for INCs. Why? Because the running game was incapable of punching it in from the one. Period.
But, for the sake of being sure I’m understood: Yes, bring in another QB, maybe two. Let them compete against Thigpen as the guy who earned the job. If they can beat TT out, so be it. No job is safe in the NFL, nor should it be. Any clear upgrade is good for the team.
OTOH, anyone who thinks that Thigpen has “proven that he’s not a starting-caliber QB” hasn’t been paying attention to the makeshift scheme, makeshift line, makeshift receiving corps, and incapable running game. Or perhaps they are just harboring some fantasy that we’ll come up with an elite vet like Peyton Manning (maybe by drafting him, or something). But I doubt they are taking full consideration of the Offense before they throw Tyler under the bus as a “bust” at starter.
Is Bones proven, either way? No. But as someone else noted, as far as personal stats go, he’s been about as good as JaMarcus Russell this season, and with less to work with, and Russell was groomed for this season, to boot.
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 28, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Russell's stats
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/36751619.html?page=2&c=y
"While Russell falls short in comparisons to rookies like Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, who immediately turned their teams into winners, his numbers compare very favorably to the other quarterbacks selected first overall.
In his first 15 NFL starts, Russell has completed 54.8 percent of his passes for 2499 yards, 12 touchdowns and eight interceptions.
Those numbers are far from spectacular, but only two of the previous 15 quarterbacks taken No. 1 overall since the start of the common draft in 1967 — Michael Vick and Carson Palmer — have a higher passer in their first 15 starts than Russell’s 77.0.
He has fared better than future Super Bowl champions like Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning and Eli Manning."
In short, if Thigpen had been drafted high, his numbers being comperable to Russell’s, he’d be judged in much the same way. Being a late-rounder, everything else gets ignored, and he’s “just a back-up”.
I’d say that the better-ranked Oakland D accounts for the three extra wins that they have over us, at that.
Nope, Thigpen just sucks. If he didn’t suck, he’d have won more games, all by his lonesome, right? Bah.
If the O-line isn't built up, any rookie QB is gonna look bad next season. If the O-line is a lot better, Thigpen will look better, next season, too.
by Bleedingredandgold on Dec 28, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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